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Post by George Carlin Wed 17 Dec 2014, 7:24 am

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Prehistorical Patter:
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A. Edinburgh
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1. League Results

Fri 5 Sep: Munster Rugby 13 - 14 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 12 Sep: Edinburgh Rugby 13 - 14 Connacht Rugby

Sun 21 Sep: Ospreys 62 - 13 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 26 Sep: Edinburgh Rugby 20 - 20 Scarlets

Fri 3 Oct: Ulster Rugby 30 - 0 Edinburgh Rugby

Sat 11 Oct: Edinburgh Rugby 24 - 10 Newport Gwent Dragons

Fri 31 Oct: Leinster Rugby 33 - 8 Edinburgh Rugby

Sun 23 Nov: Edinburgh Rugby 28 - 13 Cardiff Blues

Sat 29 Nov: Zebre 18 - 10 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 19 Dec: Edinburgh Rugby 48 - 0 Benetton Treviso

Sat 27 Dec: Glasgow Warriors 16 - 6 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 2 Jan: Edinburgh Rugby - 20 - 8 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 9 Jan: Connacht Rugby 13 - 16 Edinburgh Rugby

2. European Results

17/10/14: Bordeaux-Begles 13 - 15 Edinburgh Rugby

24/10/14: Edinburgh Rugby 25 - 17 Lyon

7/12/14: Edinburgh Rugby 25 - 13 London Welsh

14/12/14: London Welsh 6 - 24 Edinburgh Rugby

17/01/2015: Lyon 21 - 19 Edinburgh Rugby

23/01/2015: Edinburgh Rugby 38 - 20 Bordeaux-Begles

B. Glasgow
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1. League Results

Sat 6 Sep: Glasgow Warriors 22 - 20 Leinster Rugby

Sun 14 Sep: Cardiff Blues 12 - 33 Glasgow Warriors

Sat 20 Sep: Newport Gwent Dragons 13 - 33 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 26 Sep: Glasgow Warriors 39 - 21 Connacht Rugby

Sun 5 Oct: Benetton Treviso 23 - 40 Glasgow Warriors

Sat 11 Oct: Ulster Rugby 29 - 9 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 31 Oct: Glasgow Warriors 17 - 9 Benetton Treviso

Fri 21 Nov: Scarlets 19 - 9 Glasgow Warriors

Sun 30 Nov: Glasgow Warriors 19 - 15 Newport Gwent Dragons

Sat 20 Dec: Glasgow Warriors 21 - 18 Munster Rugby

Sat 27 Dec: Glasgow Warriors 16 - 6 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 2 Jan: Edinburgh Rugby 20 - 8 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 9 Jan: Glasgow Warriors 22 - 7 Scarlets

2. European Results

18/10/14: Glasgow Warriors 37 - 10 Bath Rugby

25/10/14: Montpellier 13 - 15 Glasgow Warriors

7/12/14: Toulouse 19 - 11 Glasgow Warriors

13/12/14: Glasgow Warriors 9 - 12 Toulouse

18/01/2015: Glasgow Warriors 21 - 10 Montpellier

25/01/2015: Bath Rugby 20 - 15 Glasgow Warriors


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Post by GLove39 Tue 27 Jan 2015, 11:38 pm

IanBru wrote:For the sake of the uninitiated, I have produced this dramatis personae for your assistance:

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Post by GLove39 Tue 27 Jan 2015, 11:46 pm

Wonder how Wilson's criminal record will effect his ability to travel? This would make him ineligible for a US visa?
Or looking ahead to Japan 2019, they're quite strict about that sort of thing aren't they?

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Post by justified sinner Wed 28 Jan 2015, 7:23 am

BigGee wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:Strange.  I'm no CEO of a large organisation, but if I was paying, I would imagine, whopping amounts in interest on an £11m loan, I think the first line in my strategic plan would be "Pay off the £11m debt

But then, as I say, I'm not a CEO pocketing wads of cash every year...maybe this is where I've been going wrong all these years.

On the subject of the debt, there is no way that BT would just hand over the whole amount in one go, it will be in structured payments over the life of the contract. The debt is more manageable than ever as it is coming down and with interests rates so low, it is far easier to manage than it would have been in other times. They will probably always carry a degree of debt but won't be building a massive new stadium again for a long time so it should never be at the crippling levels it was. They also are looking at other revenue streams a lot more than they used to. If the SFA ever do decide to abandon Hampden to build a new stadium the SRU really could be quid's in for some time to come.

Agree with all of that. The structural debt is coming down and is manageable. If you look at the accounts for 13/14 the structural debt, that associated with rebuilding Murrayfield, is down from about 10.5mil about 2 years ago to 9.5 mil in 12/13 and 8.25mil at the end of 13/14. The interest on that is fixed at 4.295% so the interest payments are not too onerous and falling. My guess is that it'll continue to be paid down at somewhere over a million a year over the next few years.

All under control and going in the right direction. Doesn't stop lazy journalists, like Morrison, referring to the 11 million debt though as it suits their let's bash the SRU agenda.

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Post by TJ Wed 28 Jan 2015, 7:56 am

Going back to Wilson. Very unlikely to get a custodial sentence for a crime like this is a first offence, he pled guilty and he is of previously good character. Should he be punished again in the game - I would say so but it needs a bit of imagination and also he needs to undergo psychological evaluation / testing to help him understand what happened and to stop it happening again.

I wouldn't want to ruin his career over it - just his season.


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Post by RDW Wed 28 Jan 2015, 8:23 am

Nematode wrote:

Why is one rugby player punching another off a rugby pitch bringing the SRU/rugby into 'disrepute' whilst punches on the field are just a yellow/red and considered the norm & acceptable?

Wrong - It was a professional rugby player punching an accountant/lawyer/joiner/engineer/whatever Maclay does for a living. The fact that he plays rugby as a hobby has absolutely no bearing on this.

Essentially a professional rugby player - an employee of the SRU - has punched a member of the public, while drunk, with little provocation.  That's why he's brought the SRU in disrepute.

Obviously in the eyes of the law a professional sportsman should be treated the same as anyone else, but from an SRU point of view this will be seen very seriously.  As I've mentioned before, Glasgow prides itself on being a family club that is building close links with the community and rugby clubs round Glasgow.  It can't have it's players getting drunk and punching people in Kebab shops.


As for violence on the field, you can still charge someone if you choose to do so.  If someone punched me at my game on Saturday I could report them to the police if I wanted to.

But in terms of professional conduct and brining the SRU into disrepute, getting into a fight on the pitch - although not desirable - is seen as an inevitability in rugby.  It is a violent sport, that attracts people who get enjoyment out of legally hurting people.  Obviously there are rules, and punching is against them, but in the context of the sport it is accepted that people can get riled up on the pitch to the point that they seek violence. Accepted, but still punished for being against the rules and the spirit of the game.

Reacting to a cheeky comment in a Kebab shop by punching someone is very far removed from punching someone on the pitch.

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Post by Weegie Wizard Wed 28 Jan 2015, 9:19 am

Another worrying aspect of this is that is massively damaged what little relationship there was between the Glasgow clubs and the Warriors/SRU.

The feeling from Hawks is that the pro players were backed by the SRU at the expense of the idea of rugby as a family sport and that Ally was left to fend for himself. It doesn't take a genius to guess which side of the argument the rest of the clubs will fall on.

Also, these are the clubs where players from the pro teams are drafted out to and visit to drum up support from local kids. It is difficult to see how that relationship can continue when pro players behave like these guys have.

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Post by Heuer27 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 10:18 am

TJ. He pled guilty to one charge after a bit of bartering with others being dropped.
He rolled the dice on an assault to severe injury charge and was found guilty by a jury. I'm fairly sure on that basis he is very lucky to escape a custodial sentence especially as he is a professional athlete. From the SRU statement it would seem that they intend to make an example of him. Well mark Dobson does anyway.

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Post by Majestic83 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 10:20 am

GLove39 wrote:Wonder how Wilson's criminal record will effect his ability to travel? This would make him ineligible for a US visa?
Or looking ahead to Japan 2019, they're quite strict about that sort of thing aren't they?

Not sure how it will effect his visa for playing rugby for Scotland abroad. I know a few of the All Blacks, Wallabies and I'd imagine a few others from other nations have assault convictions but doesn't seem to have prevented them playing for their nation. There must be a special exemption I would imagine.

It's a tricky one with Ryan Wilson and what punishment he should receive from the Warriors. I don't think he should be sacked but a suspension of half a dozen games and a fine from them may be more appropriate. He was certainly a silly boy along with Grant and Hughes. I know there had been trouble earlier on in the night between the Glasgow Hawks team and a few of the Warriors players in a nightclub where I believe a few punches had been thrown from both parties and after that the majority of the Warriors players had left and gone home but obviously a few decided to stay out and be very silly!

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Post by RDW Wed 28 Jan 2015, 10:27 am

In other news, Glasgow have just announced that Tom Ryder has joined Northampton Saints!

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Post by Majestic83 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 10:29 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:In other news, Glasgow have just announced that Tom Ryder has joined Northampton Saints!

Signed as a waterboy/boot clearner.....surely not in their playing squad?!

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Post by Majestic83 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 10:33 am

just read the article so its only for injury cover till the end of the season. Would have been shocked if he had signed for next season, good luck to him though, hopefully he will get more game time there than he has at Glasgow in recent months.

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Post by MacKnocked-on Wed 28 Jan 2015, 11:08 am

Majestic83 wrote:just read the article so its only for injury cover till the end of the season. Would have been shocked if he had signed for next season, good luck to him though, hopefully he will get more game time there than he has at Glasgow in recent months.

Ryder was a useful player pre-injuries, probably the sort of lock that Glasgow have missed as an option to help the scrum etc. Another lock who looked pretty good last season was Atkins at Edinburgh, not sure if he's currently fit or not (hard to know with Solomon's non-rotation policy) but perhaps he could be a good addition for Glasgow?

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Post by RDW Wed 28 Jan 2015, 11:13 am

Doesn't say what he'll do after the season is over...

Atkins was very good for us last season but hasn't been getting any gametime this year.

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Post by George Carlin Wed 28 Jan 2015, 11:26 am

Majestic83 wrote:just read the article so its only for injury cover till the end of the season. Would have been shocked if he had signed for next season, good luck to him though, hopefully he will get more game time there than he has at Glasgow in recent months.
Er, if you read the Warriors release, it doesn't sound very 'temporary' to me:

Ryder joins Northampton

Tom Ryder has left Glasgow Warriors and joined Aviva Premiership side Northampton Saints

The second-row has represented the club on 87 occasions, but because of injuries this season his appearances have been limited to three starts and one from the bench.

The 29-year-old joined Glasgow in August 2010 from Saracens and the following season his form saw him included in the PRO12 Dream Team.

The last time he pulled on a Warriors shirt was in the 19-9 defeat to the Scarlets in November.

Glasgow Warriors head coach Gregor Townsend said: "Tom has been very unlucky with injuries over the past couple of seasons, but he's played a lot of games for the club during his four-and-a-half-year spell in Glasgow.

"He has been an important member of the squad and we'd like to wish him all the best down at Northampton.”

Tom Ryder added: "I've really enjoyed my time in Glasgow and my wife and I have made a lot of friends in the city.

"I'm looking forward to this new challenge in Northampton and I wish the club all the best for the remainder of the season.”
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Post by MacKnocked-on Wed 28 Jan 2015, 11:37 am

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Majestic83 wrote:just read the article so its only for injury cover till the end of the season. Would have been shocked if he had signed for next season, good luck to him though, hopefully he will get more game time there than he has at Glasgow in recent months.
Er, if you read the Warriors release, it doesn't sound very 'temporary' to me:

Ryder joins Northampton

Tom Ryder has left Glasgow Warriors and joined Aviva Premiership side Northampton Saints

The second-row has represented the club on 87 occasions, but because of injuries this season his appearances have been limited to three starts and one from the bench.

The 29-year-old joined Glasgow in August 2010 from Saracens and the following season his form saw him included in the PRO12 Dream Team.

The last time he pulled on a Warriors shirt was in the 19-9 defeat to the Scarlets in November.

Glasgow Warriors head coach Gregor Townsend said: "Tom has been very unlucky with injuries over the past couple of seasons, but he's played a lot of games for the club during his four-and-a-half-year spell in Glasgow.

"He has been an important member of the squad and we'd like to wish him all the best down at Northampton.”

Tom Ryder added: "I've really enjoyed my time in Glasgow and my wife and I have made a lot of friends in the city.

"I'm looking forward to this new challenge in Northampton and I wish the club all the best for the remainder of the season.”

Does rather sound as if he won't be back doesn't it in which case Glasgow will need at least one ,probably two, new locks as Kellock isn't getting any younger.

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Post by RDW Wed 28 Jan 2015, 11:38 am

I suspect he was more meaning that he would have been shocked because he had no idea why Northampton would want to sign him permanently!

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Post by jimbopip Wed 28 Jan 2015, 11:42 am

123456789 wrote:I remember getting into a bit of a scuffle, nothing like this mind, when I was a teenager and only just starting nights out and telling my Mum while slightly inebriated when I got home. When I woke up the next morning she pointed out that having played contact rugby since the age of 9 I'd be able to do someone who hasn't damage if I behaved like a knob but also that there would always be someone much bigger than me. Now unless he was hanging around Josh Strauss the second half doesn't apply to Wilson but nevertheless surely if you're a professional you need to think these things through also I wonder his state of mind if he gets so infuriated by a light hearted jibe that he decided to lash out, either he genuinely believes he is batman, he is short tempered, given I can't remember losing his rag on the pitch this seems unlikely, or he was out looking for a fight.

I suggest a harsh punishment but not a terminal one, remember banning him for the rest of the season effectively ends his World Cup chances. I'm trying to work out similar scenarios and can only think of the cantona kung-fu kick and the Tuilagi-Ashton punch but these happened on the pitch whereas Wilson's was alcohol induced so it depends what's worse really.

It reminds me of the Mike Phillips/MacDonalds incident. Let us recall the wise words of Eddie Butler, I blame the senior players: there are some rugby players who should never be allowed out after dark unsupervised.
On a serious note: if this is not out of character then he is a liability to the club and should be encouraged to seek alternative employment.

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Post by George Carlin Wed 28 Jan 2015, 12:12 pm

MacKnocked-on wrote:
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Majestic83 wrote:just read the article so its only for injury cover till the end of the season. Would have been shocked if he had signed for next season, good luck to him though, hopefully he will get more game time there than he has at Glasgow in recent months.
Er, if you read the Warriors release, it doesn't sound very 'temporary' to me:

Ryder joins Northampton

Tom Ryder has left Glasgow Warriors and joined Aviva Premiership side Northampton Saints

The second-row has represented the club on 87 occasions, but because of injuries this season his appearances have been limited to three starts and one from the bench.

The 29-year-old joined Glasgow in August 2010 from Saracens and the following season his form saw him included in the PRO12 Dream Team.

The last time he pulled on a Warriors shirt was in the 19-9 defeat to the Scarlets in November.

Glasgow Warriors head coach Gregor Townsend said: "Tom has been very unlucky with injuries over the past couple of seasons, but he's played a lot of games for the club during his four-and-a-half-year spell in Glasgow.

"He has been an important member of the squad and we'd like to wish him all the best down at Northampton.”

Tom Ryder added: "I've really enjoyed my time in Glasgow and my wife and I have made a lot of friends in the city.

"I'm looking forward to this new challenge in Northampton and I wish the club all the best for the remainder of the season.”

Does rather sound as if he won't be back doesn't it in which case Glasgow will need at least one ,probably two, new locks as Kellock isn't getting any younger.
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Post by tigertattie Wed 28 Jan 2015, 2:10 pm

Firstly I would like to condem the violence that Wilson has been found guity of! However, I'm sorry, but I just can sit here reading the news report without urinating myself with laughter!

No way did the reporter manage to keep a straight face when he wrote the phrases below:

punching a fellow player in a fast food shop in Glasgow while he was dressed as Batman

Mr Maclay, 30, was dressed as Tweedledee during the incident

and fellow Warrior Rory Hughes, 21

Richie Vernon - who was dressed as a shark

'Leave it Batman'

The court heard that a minion, a red crayon and others in fancy dress were nearby

This will make us the laughing stock of world rugby!
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Post by highland_scot Wed 28 Jan 2015, 2:11 pm

Anyone know who the red crayon was?!

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Post by Heuer27 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 2:19 pm

Crayon has signed for bath. Allegedly

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Post by jimbopip Wed 28 Jan 2015, 2:28 pm

Did he use a Biro? Manage joined up writing?

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Post by Heuer27 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 2:31 pm

Managed to keep in between the lines and everything

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Post by jimbopip Wed 28 Jan 2015, 2:38 pm

But when asked which position he preferred did he draw a picture?

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Post by tigertattie Wed 28 Jan 2015, 2:48 pm

It's almost as funny as the unfortunatly named skier, Fanny Schmeller and the German equivilant of Andy Capp - Willie Whacker!
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Post by George Carlin Wed 28 Jan 2015, 3:17 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Crapper

The man who invented the ballc0ck.

You couldn't make it up.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 28 Jan 2015, 3:26 pm

Heuer27 wrote:Managed to keep in between the lines and everything

Not from Glasgow originally then....

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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 28 Jan 2015, 3:28 pm

tigertattie wrote:It's almost as funny as the unfortunatly named skier, Fanny Schmeller and the German equivilant of Andy Capp - Willie  Whacker!

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Post by IanBru Wed 28 Jan 2015, 3:38 pm

I went to school with a Turkish kid called Mustafa Khondom.

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Post by VinceWLB Wed 28 Jan 2015, 3:55 pm

Strange that Ryder has been passed fit to play for Northampton but not for Glasgow hmmm...
I know he wasn't registered for Europe but surely he wouldn't have done worse than Kellock (who prefered staying down milking an injury rather than stop the maul for their 1st penalty try)?

By the way there is rumours of the ruck inspector joining Treviso next season. If thats the kind of players they are aiming for they aren't going to improve anytime soon!

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Post by Nematode Wed 28 Jan 2015, 4:06 pm

I can't see Kellock at Treviso - would you really want to leave your young family for what, one year of loss, loss, loss, loss, win *typo LOSS in let's face it pretty miserable, rainy conditions? And not on the highest of salaries.

Pity about Ryder though. I could see Edinburgh taking an interest in him though - he fits the Solomons style of play and would be a cheap addition.

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN Wed 28 Jan 2015, 4:22 pm

Kellock may be past his best but I met him on Sunday.

He is a genuinely great bloke and very interesting to talk to despite being extremely p!ssed off with losing the game

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Post by RDW Wed 28 Jan 2015, 4:24 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
tigertattie wrote:It's almost as funny as the unfortunatly named skier, Fanny Schmeller and the German equivilant of Andy Capp - Willie  Whacker!

My favourite business card came from a JP Morgan banker in Moscow - Julia Khokhlova. I've kept it.

Laugh

I've genuinely LOL'd at all of these name!

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Post by tigertattie Wed 28 Jan 2015, 4:51 pm

Nematode wrote:I can't see Kellock at Treviso - would you really want to leave your young family for what, one year of loss, loss, loss, loss, win (against Edinburgh) loss, loss, loss.....in let's face it pretty miserable, rainy conditions? And not on the highest of salaries.

Pity about Ryder though. I could see Edinburgh taking an interest in him though - he fits the Solomons style of play and would be a cheap addition.

fixed that for you sir
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Post by jimbopip Wed 28 Jan 2015, 5:20 pm

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Kellock may be past his best but I met him on Sunday.

He is a genuinely great bloke and very interesting to talk to despite being extremely p!ssed off with losing the game

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Glad you enjoyed the game Tattie. next time you invite me I'll be there.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 28 Jan 2015, 5:26 pm

I personally think Kellock should remain at Glasgow and take on a player/coaching role next season with a view to becoming a forwards coach. For a weegie he's actually quite articulate, and from years of close observation must know a thing or two about forward play, lineout in particular.

He'd be a valuable guy for Glasgow to have around, all joking aside, and could turn out to be a fine coach. He may want to prolong his playing career and feel he needs regular rugby to do so, and that Glasgow are now at a level beyond him (he'd be right in that respect). Still, I think his strengths are now off the field frankly, and that Glasgow is his home.

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Post by IanBru Wed 28 Jan 2015, 6:13 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:I personally think Kellock should remain at Glasgow and take on a player/coaching role next season with a view to becoming a forwards coach. For a weegie he's actually quite articulate, and from years of close observation must know a thing or two about forward play, lineout in particular.

He'd be a valuable guy for Glasgow to have around, all joking aside, and could turn out to be a fine coach. He may want to prolong his playing career and feel he needs regular rugby to do so, and that Glasgow are now at a level beyond him (he'd be right in that respect). Still, I think his strengths are now off the field frankly, and that Glasgow is his home.
OK, so... have I stumbled into an episode of The Twilight Zone? I agree with everything FES just said.

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Post by 123456789 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 6:20 pm

It's really not healthy that the club captain is a player that fills me with dread every time he's on the team sheet, not in a what will he do way but in what can he do. Every time he runs he goes backwards and he doesn't have the power to hit rucks the way a modern second-row could. He was exactly what Glasgow needed for a long time at captain but I can't help but feel it needs to go elsewhere now, I reckon Jonny Gray could become an iconic captain for us. If we want to join the echelons of Munster and Leinster (the great Celtic teams) we need a great captain and Gray could grow into that. It would also send out a signal, after Matawalu and Maitland leave, that we haven't become a "selling club" again and we still mean business. We need a second row, a tighthead, a flanker and a scrum-half to reach the next level, more for depth than starting as Murray, Swinson, Fusaro and Pyrgos aren't bad but who's next- Nakarawa is a liability, how many times do we gain lots of yards before he goes to far and does something ridiculous and Matawalu was starting to enter the same territory but I think we should be looking to lure some top post world cup retirees in and use them to mentor the next generation.

Ideally next year we should have:

1. Grant
2. MacArthur
3. Murray
4. Gray (c)
5. Etzebeth
6. Harley
7. McCaw
8. Strauss
9. Du Preez
10. Russell
11. Van Der Merwe
12. Dunbar
13. Bennett
14. Seymour
15. Hogg

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Post by 123456789 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 6:25 pm

Excerpts from Italian newspapers (translated by google):

And there's a name stellar running: Alastair Kellock, said Al, captain of the Glasgow Warriors, former Scotland captain, 34 years. Its bright international career has probably closed, but it is the leader of the Warriors, one of the most beautiful reality in Europe. Some people swear that the agreement in principle has already been reached, but it is right to be cautious.

It 'a fact that Treviso Glasgow look to the model (see also the loan of the pylon d'Arcy Rae and the same contacts with "Maus" Cuttitta) like that of a franchise that has managed to find its way, without stellar budget, but with a cocktail between veterans and young people, and a lot of work on the game.



It will be an important market that of benetton Treviso for the next season. Important in terms of quality and planning, although at the moment there are rumors and rumors but no "official". Today The Tribune puts up the name of the second line Scottish Alastair Kellock, who after the RWC could leave Scotland and Glasgow Warriors to an experience in Brand before closing a career really important (it's 1980).


It could be the captain of the Glasgow Warriors Al Kellock the dream of Benetton Treviso of Umberto Casellato . According to a report InsideRugby entries from Scotland in fact, the veteran skipper training led by Gregor Townsend  (in the video of the Pro12 his "profile" of 2013) would have been contacted by the management and white-green would be undecided. The 33 year old from Bishopbriggs, 203 cm to 118 kilograms, is under contract with the Warriors until June but has an option for next season and is considering the possibility to request a transfer to Treviso to marry the draft Casellato . The technician Treviso has never hidden the fact that they are looking for a jumper, specialist lineout (as we wrote two weeks ago Treviso look at a pylon, a second line and a point guard), and would be in the ideal profile as Kellock player, 56 times Scottish international and captain of the team in 2011 who participated in the Six Nations and the World Cup in New Zealand, also has a lot of experience, and most importantly the leadership that would help Treviso to make the leap.

From Scotstoun mouths are obviously sewn but the news is that the second line of the Warriors, over 180 appearances and Pro12 Cup between Glasgow and Edinburgh, it would be willing to live an experience abroad before the end of his career and transfer in Italy could be a concrete option. There are only rumors, it is clear, but the fact that it emerged a name and that name has come precisely from a place that is in "close contact" with the Ghirada because of the good relations that bind the leadership white-green Marcello Cuttitta (Glasgow that takes care of the scrum and that in Treviso has already brought the baby D'Arcy Rae ), make the least credible rumor. If indeed decide to leave Scotland, of course, Treviso should beat the foreign competition that will surely be fierce as Kellock also Sunday in Bath was one of the best of her.


It appears that in Italy Al Kellock has gained Godlike status, maybe they've got him confused with someone else or perhaps there will be statues of him outside the Treviso ground. Especially he is a "beautiful reality" and "stellar" to Italians...

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Post by TJ Wed 28 Jan 2015, 6:48 pm

Could be a good move for kellock - player coach over there - get some more experience in that sort of role - come back to Glasgow ina couple of years in a coaching role. Good challenge as well.

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Post by 123456789 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 7:17 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31023186

Sounds like Vern's getting involved, I can't help but feel that given Grant was not prosecuted he'll be let off but I reckon Wilson will be made an example of.

The fact is that regardless of circumstance what Wilson did was pure thuggery and quite frankly Scotland don't need him, he's not in the same league as Denton, Beattie or Strauss, and it's debatable whether he's better than Ally Hogg or Adam Ashe. Quite frankly barring an unparalleled injury crisis we don't need him too much. Had it been the other way round then it would probably be different, Grant is a Lion and very good on form, but Wilson is, in the eyes of the SRU, disposable. It's a shame because if they choose to end his international career then his Glasgow career will surely follow shortly and then he's reliant on a move to an English club or a French Club and quite frankly it's quite popular to have a Pacific Islander at number 8 there; Wilson doesn't have that power so this sorry incident could backfire for him. He doesn't have the talent of Phillips or Care so has left himself open to a political punishment.

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Post by TJ Wed 28 Jan 2015, 7:31 pm

Numbers - it shouldn't make any difference how good a player he is. Its about what he did not about who he is. He should get the smae treatment from the SRU as the most important player we have would get.

I don't want to see his career ruined - the courts have decided his punishment. Now the court case is over he can comment - and I think he should and what happens next may well depend on his attitude. If he comes out with " it was a disgraceful thing to do, I let everyone down, I'll do X to make amends and Y to change my behaviour" then I will look upon him more leniently that if he tries to play it down / keeps quiet.

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Post by 123456789 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 9:06 pm

I agree wholeheartedly that his ability shouldn't have any bearing but let's not pretend for a moment that the SRU is anything other than a business looking to get the best result for itself. I said earlier that he's had a trial and been punished but, and I'm not trying to knock the SRU every business is the same, the SRU will try to get the best outcome for themselves and if they believe it won't have a great effect on results on the pitch then they may well believe that it will suit their public image to make an example of him. Perhaps I'm being cynical.

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Post by George Carlin Thu 29 Jan 2015, 6:55 am

It doesn't contribute a huge amount to the original subject matter of the thread, but I wanted to mention that I blinked, turned round and my son apparently turned 1 yesterday.

How the feck did that happen? It was only 10 minutes ago we got the feller home.

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Post by jimbopip Thu 29 Jan 2015, 10:53 am

Ah George, just wait: one of the kids he's at nursery with will go home one day and the next week turn up at your house driving a car and asking if you can open that stiff jar all on your own.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 29 Jan 2015, 11:12 am

George Carlin wrote:It doesn't contribute a huge amount to the original subject matter of the thread, but I wanted to mention that I blinked, turned round and my son apparently turned 1 yesterday.

How the feck did that happen? It was only 10 minutes ago we got the feller home.

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Quite a common occurence with lawyers I think! I'm pretty sure partners at my old US firm would phrase that differently: 2600 billable hours ago my son was born.....

BabyfES is 5 months old at the weekend. I honestly can't remember what it was like to spontaneously go out and have a drink!

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Post by RDW Thu 29 Jan 2015, 11:15 am

Well I'm approaching 10 years since I left school this summer - I know most of you are older than me, but that is a frightening thought when you are still trying to cling onto your youth as much as possible, knowing that before you know it you'll be 30.... Crying or Very sad

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 29 Jan 2015, 11:19 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Well I'm approaching 10 years since I left school this summer - I know most of you are older than me, but that is a frightening thought when you are still trying to cling onto your youth as much as possible, knowing that before you know it you'll be 30.... Crying or Very sad

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Post by George Carlin Thu 29 Jan 2015, 11:30 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Well I'm approaching 10 years since I left school this summer - I know most of you are older than me, but that is a frightening thought when you are still trying to cling onto your youth as much as possible, knowing that before you know it you'll be 30.... Crying or Very sad

The world's smallest violin is playing for you.
FES is just being polite.

Let me extrapolate the message for you, RDW - feck off and get IDd in a pub, foetus boy.

Don't trip over your umbilical cord on the way out. 

When you're staring at the arse end of 40 (er, for instance) then we'll talk. boxing
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Post by RDW Thu 29 Jan 2015, 11:31 am

George Carlin wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Well I'm approaching 10 years since I left school this summer - I know most of you are older than me, but that is a frightening thought when you are still trying to cling onto your youth as much as possible, knowing that before you know it you'll be 30.... Crying or Very sad

The world's smallest violin is playing for you.
FES is just being polite.

Let me extrapolate the message for you, RDW - feck off and get IDd in a pub, foetus boy.

Don't trip over your umbilical cord on the way out. 

When you're staring at the arse end of 40 (er, for instance) then we'll talk. boxing

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