Haye ready for comeback!

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Hi everyone. Hope Christmqs has been a good one. Here is just a little something for some of the Haye doubters out there to ponder.

Former two-division world champion David Haye (26-2, 24KOs) has assured his fans that they haven't seen the last of him. The 34-year-old boxer is promising to return in style. Haye has been inactive since July 2012, when he knocked out Dereck Chisora.

Since the win over Chisora, injuries forced him to withdraw from planned fight with Manuel Charr and two scheduled dates with Tyson Fury. The second injury promoted Haye to get right shoulder surgery and says doctors advised me to retire.

"The shoulder is fixed, for me that was the most important thing. I didn't want to rush an announcement [on my comeback], have a set back, and have to have another six months out," Haye told The Independent. "I'm punching harder than before now because of the rehab. My right is now stronger than my left and is stronger than before surgery. Trust me, 2015 is the return of 'The Hayemaker', I'll be bigger, better, faster, stronger, with a new plan."

This is exactly what I have been expecting. I think after a year of disappointment 2015 is going to be a HUGE one for Haye. He is fit again and already plotting his comeback. We havent seen the last of the Hyemaker! Expect big things in 2015!

Steffan wrote:

dangerous_mouse wrote:Why people continue arguing with this idiot is strange.

The guy is an amazing WUM to be fair

Not in the league of D4 as he actually came across as serious. This guy is just on a blatant wum.

Let's just concentrate on which round Joshua would knock Fury out in and ignore Haye yeah?! He fought like a typical Wlad oppo in that he just ran around trying to not get hurt. He'd do the same against any other big HW and isn't fun to watch unless he faces a guy like Chisora who's his size.

People have to remember haye is a blown up cruiser, for him to be even competitive at heavy is an achievement... Bit like Henry cooper, who would have been a great cruiser, had the division existed, in his day, mixing it with Ali.

milkyboy wrote:People have to remember haye is a blown up cruiser, for him to be even competitive at heavy is an achievement... Bit like Henry cooper, who would have been a great cruiser, had the division existed, in his day, mixing it with Ali.

Same goes for Holy, and he did ok. A lot of fans are a bit sick and tired of all the talk but not walking the walk, leave the boxing to those who want to fight.

Haye has an inflated opinion of his worth unfortunately...........

Wlad was a superfight for great money and being an ego-centrical prat he thinks he's still in that bracket....

I mean what wally gets his toe out...He loses both ways.......Either It's a stupid excuse or If it was an injury that affected him then he took the p**s out of all the fans that went there supporting him..

What idiot say's "He doesn't want to be an ordinary actor but a Pacino type"....Doesn't he know how much talent ordinary actors have ???......What a complete sandwich !!!

Problem is the longer he's outside the ring the more he forgets the pain of the punches in sparring and all the hard work that goes into a fight..........Hunger levels drop too....

If he comes back he's finished anyway for me..

and good riddance..

Hayemaker isn't a wum in my opinion.................No wum spends ten minutes writing endless dialogue rebutting every post............

Like Strongy Wums keep it short unless something hits a nerve....

He's either David Haye himself or a lost soul worshipping the wrong guy..

I read somewhere Tarver is calling Haye out, if ALL he's interested in is money, it'll be a decent earner.

How is being a Haye fan a wum? I am a big fan of Haye and he is one of the main reasons I became a boxing fan. You dont see fans of football teams just stop supporting them because they lose one match. The hatred for him on here is hard to imagine. Looking forward to him proving the doubters wrong in 2015. Not that he should have anything to prove anyway as he is the former cruiserweight and heavyweight world champion.

Hayemaker, How would haye have got on against cooper, do you think?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Hayemaker isn't a wum in my opinion.................No wum spends ten minutes writing endless dialogue rebutting every post............

Like Strongy Wums keep it short unless something hits a nerve.....

Agreed I've always found the biggests wums use few words and lots of full stops.

It's funny because I don't think there is a hatred for Haye, what there is a hatred for is the way he talks and talks but never backs up the words. Also the fact it seems you want to convince everyone he is the best thing since Ali will make people bring up all the crap he has spouted.

I dont need to convince anyone about Haye because the facts speak for themselves. Former cruiserweight and heavyweight world champ, one of Britains best ever heavyweights and a world class fighter. I havent mentioned Ali at all so not sure where you are going with that one. No doubt being a Haye fan here brings negativity and there is hatred towards him fom the comments I read. I have been a Haye fan from his cruiserweights days and am not going to stop supporting him just because he loses one fight and gets injured. I believe he will be back with a bang in 2015 fighting and winning world titles again. That can only be a good thing for the heavyweight division. As a Haye fan yes I am optimistic but I am not massively biased for him. I watched his fight against Klitschko with 3 other Haye fans and I was the only one who said I thought Klitschko deserved to win. The others said Haye should have nicked it or it should be a draw. Hopefuly 2015 he knocks out the clown Fury and then gets his rematch with Klitschko which like him or not is a massive fight.

milkyboy wrote:Hayemaker, How would haye have got on against cooper, do you think?

I dont know much about Cooper

Haye was never a world class heavyweight though, beating Barrett, Harrison, Chisora, Ruiz or Valuev does not make you a world class heavyweight in any sense of the world. It's weak opposition at best, the fact remains that in his biggest test he froze and didn't nothing, and don't say he was injured because your little toe doesn't make a difference.

hayemaker wrote:I dont need to convince anyone about Haye because the facts speak for themselves. Former cruiserweight and heavyweight world champ, one of Britains best ever heavyweights and a world class fighter. I havent mentioned Ali at all so not sure where you are going with that one. No doubt being a Haye fan here brings negativity and there is hatred towards him fom the comments I read. I have been a Haye fan from his cruiserweights days and am not going to stop supporting him just because he loses one fight and gets injured. I believe he will be back with a bang in 2015 fighting and winning world titles again. That can only be a good thing for the heavyweight division. As a Haye fan yes I am optimistic but I am not massively biased for him. I watched his fight against Klitschko with 3 other Haye fans and I was the only one who said I thought Klitschko deserved to win. The others said Haye should have nicked it or it should be a draw. Hopefuly 2015 he knocks out the clown Fury and then gets his rematch with Klitschko which like him or not is a massive fight.

That whole post screams bias, you talk so much crap you could start up your own manure company.

Sorry if your hatred of Haye is blinding you but the fact is Haye is a world class fighter and the former cruiserweight and heavyweight world champion. Britains best ever cruiserweight and one of our best ever heavyweights. Maybe some people are jealous.

It has nothing to do with jealousy and if that's what you think people on here feel then you are clueless, he was not a world class heavyweight and his record there is poor, it's a fact. Look at the fighters he beat at that weight, non are considered truly world class.

Don't accuse people of being jealous when your argument is so full of bias because it makes the whole thing laughable.

It you think Haye is not a world class heavyweight its you who are laughable mate. Sounds like you are jealous. Haye is easily one of the best heavyweights in the word. On his day I would say he is the best.

Is his record at heavyweight world class? No. Did he fail, dramatically, at his biggest test at heavyweight? Yes. Sorry, that is not a world class heavyweight, that is a fighter who failed his biggest and toughest test and then blamed it on his little toe.

Pointless trying to debate the topic with someone, who is so blind and so bias that he can see how Haye has consistently let fans down time and time again.

hayemaker wrote:It you think Haye is not a world class heavyweight its you who are laughable mate. Sounds like you are jealous. Haye is easily one of the best heavyweights in the word. On his day I would say he is the best.

Where is your proof he is World class ???

Some big turd called Valuev and the awful Ruiz...........

Only decent heavy he fought he ran like a thief...

Just shut it...........You're becoming as boring as strongy !!

hayemaker wrote:

milkyboy wrote:Hayemaker, How would haye have got on against cooper, do you think?

I dont know much about Cooper

I think they'd both have a great excuse if they lost... Probably be a rubbery robbery

Haye actually gave wlad a real test in fact tge hardest test for years, its was the media attention and the toe out that impaired peoples judgement on hayes performance, and the fact wlad fouled hes way through any success haye found. Now Hayemaker! Im like you a fan of haye the boxer but you can't blame people for giving him stick, to be honest he has brought it on himself, sublime talent but has spent to much time talking in recent years and letting hes fans down. I hope he does come back and I will be right behind him but unfortunately he has proved he is in it for himself and i take anything he says with a pinch of salt!

For the record hampo, haye is a world class heavy, and an injured toe would make a difference to hes performance but not the result as haye said .

Is David Haye a world class Heavyweight?, of course.

He beat the champ and won the belt, he defended against a 2 time champ and has convincingly beaten every other Euro level fighter he has fought.

Was he beaten by WK?, yes, just like every other person who has fought him in the last 11 years. That being said despite his critics he never looked like being stopped and gave WK some problems in a few rounds, and did allot better than most have been able to do.

Ok He did not win his strap off the best champ but other decent heavyweights did not manage to do it and Valuev was a bit of a handful.

I think ultimately Haye is a bit too small to have made a huge impact as a Heavyweight but I think saying he is not world class there is over looking him a tad. WK aside I think h would give everyone else a hard nights work and would beat most.

I think booth summed up the haye klitschko fight fairly well when he said, every round was close but klitschko won them all. Which was how I saw it. Haye unwilling to throw caution to the wind, wk also unwilling to let his hands go and just followed haye round the ring. He barely landed anything but what he did was still more than haye mustered.

I do believe klitschko was wary of haye's speed and power. What people find hard to forgive is that haye gave it the large one for months in the build up and barely through a punch in the fight.

Spot on Haye is absolutely a world class heavyweight. One of Britains best ever. People also dont realise how much size Haye has to give away to compete at heavyweight. Its a marvel he is even able to fight there at all considering he is a natural cruiserweight. Against Valuev it was the record for winning a fight giving up the most weight. Over 100lbs! Heavyweight is like no other division because you cant guarantee you will be similar size to you opponent. I think Froch is a world class fighter as well but he is in a division where his opponents will always be similar in size to himself. Now as good as Froch is, giving away 100lbs or 50lbs in weight can you see him winning? Froch is closer in size to Haye than Haye is to Klitschko and Valuev. So what if Froch had to fight Haye with no weight restrictions? It takes a huge amount of skill to do which is why I think Haye is the better fighter.

Its tough for smaller guys since the super heavies came along. First there was vitali klitschko, and then wladimir klitschko, who is his brother.

hayemaker wrote:Spot on Haye is absolutely a world class heavyweight. One of Britains best ever. People also dont realise how much size Haye has to give away to compete at heavyweight. Its a marvel he is even able to fight there at all considering he is a natural cruiserweight. Against Valuev it was the record for winning a fight giving up the most weight. Over 100lbs! Heavyweight is like no other division because you cant guarantee you will be similar size to you opponent. I think Froch is a world class fighter as well but he is in a division where his opponents will always be similar in size to himself. Now as good as Froch is, giving away 100lbs or 50lbs in weight can you see him winning? Froch is closer in size to Haye than Haye is to Klitschko and Valuev. So what if Froch had to fight Haye with no weight restrictions? It takes a huge amount of skill to do which is why I think Haye is the better fighter.

Lol, 100% David Haye himself.

milkyboy wrote:I think booth summed up the haye klitschko fight fairly well when he said, every round was close but klitschko won them all. Which was how I saw it. Haye unwilling to throw caution to the wind, wk also unwilling to let his hands go and just followed haye round the ring. He barely landed anything but what he did was still more than haye mustered.

I do believe klitschko was wary of haye's speed and power. What people find hard to forgive is that haye gave it the large one for months in the build up and barely through a punch in the fight.

I remember Haye being delighted post fight that he took a right hand from Klitschko without going down. Kinda summed up his ambitions for the fight.

Ive re matched the wlad fight lots of times and I was there, I just can't belive how much wlad was allowed to foul same as when he fought povetkin. I remember thinking at the time after about 3 rounds that haye was never going to win. The fight had a horrible pattern to it haye tried to counter, wlad(to hes credit) would quickly step back then jab and land or would put hes arm round hayes neck and lean! It one of those where the rounds just seem to fly by makeing it very comfortable for wlad and desprate for haye. To me haye was impressive in makeing wlad miss a hell of a lot and wlad impressed in nullifying hayes speed even if he did foul alot to do it! I would like to see a rematch but like to see how good haye is after such a long lay off. Who else would like to see the rematch?

Haye 'impressed' you by making Wlad 'miss'?

Dear. God.

It's called running dear boy, he ran for his life and came out as an embarrassment to British boxing and further dirtied the HW division.

rycoys wrote:Ive re matched the wlad fight lots of times and I was there, I just can't belive how much wlad was allowed to foul same as when he fought povetkin. I remember thinking at the time after about 3 rounds that haye was never going to win. The fight had a horrible pattern to it haye tried to counter, wlad(to hes credit) would quickly step back then jab and land or would put hes arm round hayes neck and lean! It one of those where the rounds just seem to fly  by makeing it very comfortable for wlad and desprate for haye. To me haye was impressive in makeing wlad miss a hell of a lot and wlad impressed in nullifying hayes speed even if he did foul alot to do it! I would like to see a rematch but like to see how good haye is after such a long lay off. Who else would like to see the rematch?

I would love to see a rematch mate. You are right about the amount of fouling Klitschko gets away with. And also remember with Haye fighting away from home he got a point taken of him for the ref calling a knockdown when it was actually Klitschko throwing him to the floor? When you combine fighting away from home, a ref that is on your case and letting your opponent foul and also fighting with an injury then I think #haye actually did really well. He was never in danger of getting knocked and was defensively superb. He gave Klitschko his closest fight in many years. In a rematch Haye can learn from his experience of fighting Klitschko beore. He can develop a new gameplan. Instead of looking to outbox Klitschko like he did with Valuev, he needs to take more chances and go for the KO. Klitschko has a well known glass jaw so if Haye lands one of his bombs it will be all over. Lets have the rematch in England this time and with a ref that wont let Klitschko get away with his fouling tricks. I think Haye wins but it will be a tough nights work because he will have to take more chances and will run the risk of getting knocked out himself. Haye has a good chin but Klitschko is certainly no slouch when it comes to power.

tunes666 wrote:Is David Haye a world class Heavyweight?, of course.

He beat the champ and won the belt, he defended against a 2 time champ and has convincingly beaten every other Euro level fighter he has fought.

Was he beaten by WK?, yes, just like every other person who has fought him in the last 11 years. That being said despite his critics he never looked like being stopped and gave WK some problems in a few rounds, and did allot better than most have been able to do.

Ok He did not win his strap off the best champ but other decent heavyweights did not manage to do it and Valuev was a bit of a handful.

I think ultimately Haye is a bit too small to have made a huge impact as a Heavyweight but I think saying he is not world class there is over looking him a tad.  WK aside I think h would give everyone else a hard nights work and would beat most.

So Axel Schultz is World class......So Maussa is World class....So Darrin Van Horn is World class.....

Bollox......

Coxy001 wrote:Haye 'impressed' you by making Wlad 'miss'?

Dear. God.

It's called running dear boy, he ran for his life and came out as an embarrassment to British boxing and further dirtied the HW division.

Got to agree with this, there does seem to be something of a reinvention going on with the Wlad fight, as if going the distance and avoiding getting hit is in some way credit worthy. It really isn't, for any half decent fighter avoiding getting tagged, particularly against an extremely cautious opponent is really not that difficult. Haye ran like a thief, and even when it was apparent the cards were against him he was happy to stick with the same tactics and pick his cheque up unscathed. As shameful a performances as the countless other Wlad opponents he had mocked in the build up to the fight.

No different to the Chisora-Vitali fifht, which has somehow be adapted to something resembling a close fight around here, Jeff. Just assumed it was a British thing.

Rowley wrote:

Coxy001 wrote:Haye 'impressed' you by making Wlad 'miss'?

Dear. God.

It's called running dear boy, he ran for his life and came out as an embarrassment to British boxing and further dirtied the HW division.

Got to agree with this, there does seem to be something of a reinvention going on with the Wlad fight, as if going the distance and avoiding getting hit is in some way credit worthy. It really isn't, for any half decent fighter avoiding getting tagged, particularly against an extremely cautious opponent is really not that difficult. Haye ran like a thief, and even when it was apparent the cards were against him he was happy to stick with the same tactics and pick his cheque up unscathed. As shameful a performances as the countless other Wlad opponents he had mocked in the build up to the fight.

That's the gist of the vitriol... All fighters are going to big themselves up and claim to have the answers, but the self proclaimed saviour of the heavyweight division who mocked the klitschkos and their opponents ran like a thief. If he'd fought like that for 6 rounds, realised it wasn't working and then had a real go and got knocked out, I don't think anyone would be on his case... Well I wouldn't.

You'll be banging your head against the wall to get hayemaker/waingro to acknowledge it.

kingraf wrote:No different to the Chisora-Vitali fifht, which has somehow be adapted to something resembling a close fight around here, Jeff. Just assumed it was a British thing.

The rounds were competitive, which surprised people, but klitschko was winning them. In that respect there are similarities. But chisora came to fight, had a real go and had some success. In that respect it couldn't be more different.

So those claiming it was close are revisionist, those claiming he gave him a good fight are not in my view.

Rowley wrote:

Coxy001 wrote:Haye 'impressed' you by making Wlad 'miss'?

Dear. God.

It's called running dear boy, he ran for his life and came out as an embarrassment to British boxing and further dirtied the HW division.

Got to agree with this, there does seem to be something of a reinvention going on with the Wlad fight, as if going the distance and avoiding getting hit is in some way credit worthy. It really isn't, for any half decent fighter avoiding getting tagged, particularly against an extremely cautious opponent is really not that difficult. Haye ran like a thief, and even when it was apparent the cards were against him he was happy to stick with the same tactics and pick his cheque up unscathed. As shameful a performances as the countless other Wlad opponents he had mocked in the build up to the fight.

The thing is posters are debating with a guy who isn't a BOXING fan !!

He never comments on any other subject than David Haye..

So as far as history and David Haye's place in it.............The guy is as ignorant as f**k.....Because he isn't open to any other subject.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

Coxy001 wrote:Haye 'impressed' you by making Wlad 'miss'?

Dear. God.

It's called running dear boy, he ran for his life and came out as an embarrassment to British boxing and further dirtied the HW division.

Got to agree with this, there does seem to be something of a reinvention going on with the Wlad fight, as if going the distance and avoiding getting hit is in some way credit worthy. It really isn't, for any half decent fighter avoiding getting tagged, particularly against an extremely cautious opponent is really not that difficult. Haye ran like a thief, and even when it was apparent the cards were against him he was happy to stick with the same tactics and pick his cheque up unscathed. As shameful a performances as the countless other Wlad opponents he had mocked in the build up to the fight.

The thing is posters are debating with a guy who isn't a BOXING fan !!

He never comments on any other subject than David Haye..

So as far as history and David Haye's place in it.............The guy is as ignorant as f**k.....Because he isn't open to any other subject.

You sound like a troll mate. Going round on threads trying to pick fights and wind people up. I would say that is more ignorant than someone who wants to talk about a boxers upcoming year.

milkyboy wrote:

kingraf wrote:No different to the Chisora-Vitali fifht, which has somehow be adapted to something resembling a close fight around here, Jeff. Just assumed it was a British thing.

The rounds were competitive, which surprised people, but klitschko was winning them. In that respect there are similarities. But chisora came to fight, had a real go and had some success. In that respect it couldn't be more different.

So those claiming it was close are revisionist, those claiming he gave him a good fight are not in my view.

Chisora did give Vitali Klitschko a great fight. Yes he lost but people were saying it was Klitschkos toughest fight since he lost to Lennox Lewis. Fact is Haye went and fought him next and absolutely smashed him. Chisora had never been knocked before and was known for having a great chin. Klitschko never came close to knocking him out. That is the level Haye is at when he is bang on form. Pure class.

hayemaker wrote:

milkyboy wrote:

kingraf wrote:No different to the Chisora-Vitali fifht, which has somehow be adapted to something resembling a close fight around here, Jeff. Just assumed it was a British thing.

The rounds were competitive, which surprised people, but klitschko was winning them. In that respect there are similarities. But chisora came to fight, had a real go and had some success. In that respect it couldn't be more different.

So those claiming it was close are revisionist, those claiming he gave him a good fight are not in my view.

Chisora did give Vitali Klitschko a great fight. Yes he lost but people were saying it was Klitschkos toughest fight since he lost to Lennox Lewis. Fact is Haye went and fought him next and absolutely smashed him. Chisora had never been knocked before and was known for having a great chin. Klitschko never came close to knocking him out. That is the level Haye is at when he is bang on form. Pure class.

Are you claiming Chisora was a world class heavyweight?

Haye is a great fighter because he beat somebody who gave a half decent stiff a good fight !!...........

Any one that beat Tex Cobb..........The Hall of fame is calling..

You don't know who Tex Cobb is do you ??

Comment about something other than Haye...............Mate..

Show us you're a BOXING FAN !!!

milkyboy wrote:Its tough for smaller guys since the super heavies came along. First there was vitali klitschko, and then wladimir klitschko, who is his brother.

Not to mention Lennox Lewis (better than both Klitschkos) and Valuev (bigger than both Klitschkos). You need to be a hell of a boxer to compete against those kind of guys when you are spotting them over 50lbs in weight and several inches in height and reach. I dont even see the pound for pound number 1 Mayweather being able to beat guys if he is giving away that kind of weight.

hampo171 wrote:

hayemaker wrote:

milkyboy wrote:

kingraf wrote:No different to the Chisora-Vitali fifht, which has somehow be adapted to something resembling a close fight around here, Jeff. Just assumed it was a British thing.

The rounds were competitive, which surprised people, but klitschko was winning them. In that respect there are similarities. But chisora came to fight, had a real go and had some success. In that respect it couldn't be more different.

So those claiming it was close are revisionist, those claiming he gave him a good fight are not in my view.

Chisora did give Vitali Klitschko a great fight. Yes he lost but people were saying it was Klitschkos toughest fight since he lost to Lennox Lewis. Fact is Haye went and fought him next and absolutely smashed him. Chisora had never been knocked before and was known for having a great chin. Klitschko never came close to knocking him out. That is the level Haye is at when he is bang on form. Pure class.

Are you claiming Chisora was a world class heavyweight?

So who is a world class heavyweight in your book then?

hayemaker wrote:

milkyboy wrote:Its tough for smaller guys since the super heavies came along. First there was vitali klitschko, and then wladimir klitschko, who is his brother.

Not to mention Lennox Lewis (better than both Klitschkos) and Valuev (bigger than both Klitschkos). You need to be a hell of a boxer to compete against those kind of guys when you are spotting them over 50lbs in weight and several inches in height and reach. I dont even see the pound for pound number 1 Mayweather being able to beat guys if he is giving away that kind of weight.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Haye is a great fighter because he beat somebody who gave a half decent stiff a good fight !!...........

Any one that beat Tex Cobb..........The Hall of fame is calling..

You don't know who Tex Cobb is do you ??

Comment about something other than Haye...............Mate..

Show us you're a BOXING FAN !!!

Sorry - not bothered with trolls.

hayemaker wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Haye is a great fighter because he beat somebody who gave a half decent stiff a good fight !!...........

Any one that beat Tex Cobb..........The Hall of fame is calling..

You don't know who Tex Cobb is do you ??

Comment about something other than Haye...............Mate..

Show us you're a BOXING FAN !!!

Sorry - not bothered with trolls.

hayemaker wrote:

hazharrison wrote:Big things? He might get a crack at Stiverne should he get past Wilder but Fury and Klitschko won't touch him with a barge pole.

What's the point in punching harder if - against the bigger heavyweights - you're too timid to punch?

Haye is not timid at all. He is one of the most explosive heavyweights in the division. In fact I would say he is the most explosive. In terms of speed and power as a combination he is out on his own. There are some other big hitters in the division for sure - Klitschko would rival Haye in terms of pure power but he doesnt have Hayes speed.

I think Haye will win the heavyweight championship back in 2015. He beats Wilder or Stiverne easy and for Klitschko he is still the biggest fight out there. I think Klitschko will be thinking about retiring soon and wont want his legacy to be harmed by people saying he ducked a Haye rematch. From Klitschkos perspective he also knows he won the first fight so I would expect him to be full of confidence for a Haye rematch. Maybe even overconfident if he thinks Haye will use the same tactics.

You ar eprobably right about Fury. I think this would be a massive fight and an easy win for Haye a bit like the Audley Harrison fight. But I think Fury will just continue fighting bums in 2015 while he pretends other fighters are avoiding him. Who is he fighting next? Oh yeah another bum that nobody has heard of! Aboslute joke.

Comment on something other than Haye and we still won't take you seriously but at least you'll have shown you're not completely ignorant when it comes to boxing.

hayemaker wrote:

hampo171 wrote:

hayemaker wrote:

milkyboy wrote:

kingraf wrote:No different to the Chisora-Vitali fifht, which has somehow be adapted to something resembling a close fight around here, Jeff. Just assumed it was a British thing.

The rounds were competitive, which surprised people, but klitschko was winning them. In that respect there are similarities. But chisora came to fight, had a real go and had some success. In that respect it couldn't be more different.

So those claiming it was close are revisionist, those claiming he gave him a good fight are not in my view.

Chisora did give Vitali Klitschko a great fight. Yes he lost but people were saying it was Klitschkos toughest fight since he lost to Lennox Lewis. Fact is Haye went and fought him next and absolutely smashed him. Chisora had never been knocked before and was known for having a great chin. Klitschko never came close to knocking him out. That is the level Haye is at when he is bang on form. Pure class.

Are you claiming Chisora was a world class heavyweight?

So who is a world class heavyweight in your book then?

So you are claiming Chisora to be a world class heavyweight then? I guess beating Sam Sexton makes you world class in the heavyweight division these days

Like I say - not bothered with trolls. Plenty of other threads you can comment on.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Comment on something other than Haye and we still won't take you seriously but at least you'll have shown you're not completely ignorant when it comes to boxing.

Stop being a troll !!