6N Round 2: Scotland v Wales, 15 February

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SCOTLAND v WALES
Sunday 15 February 2015
KO 15:00 (GMT)
BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh

Live on BBC1

Referee: Glen Jackson (NZR)
AR1: George Clancy (IRFU)
AR2: Dudley Phillips (IRFU)
TMO: Simon McDowell (IRFU)

A. Teams:

1. SCOTLAND

15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors);
14 Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors);
13 Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors);
12 Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors);
11 Tim Visser (Edinburgh Rugby);
10 Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors);
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Gloucester);

1 Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh Rugby);
2 Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby);
3 Geoff Cross (London Irish);
4 Richie Gray (Castres);
5 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors);
6 Rob Harley (Glasgow Warriors),
7 Blair Cowan (London Irish);
8 Johnnie Beattie (Castres);

16 Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors);
17 Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors);
18 Jon Welsh (Glasgow Warriors);
19 Jim Hamilton (Saracens);
20 Alasdair Strokosch (USA Perpignan);
21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Edinburgh Rugby);
22 Greig Tonks (Edinburgh Rugby);
23 Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby);

2. WALES

15 Leigh Halfpenny (Toulon)
14 Alex Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues)
13 Jonathan Davies (ASM Clermont Auvergne)
12 Jamie Roberts (Racing Metro)
11 Liam Williams (Scarlets)
10 Dan Biggar (Ospreys)
09 Rhys Webb (Ospreys)

01 Gethin Jenkins (Cardiff Blues)
02 Richard Hibbard (Gloucester)
03 Aaron Jarvis (Ospreys)
04 Jake Ball (Scarlets)
05 Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys)
06 Dan Lydiate (Ospreys)
07 Sam Warburton (Cardiff Blues, CAPT)
08 Taulupe Faletau (Newport Gwent Dragons)

16 Scott Baldwin (Ospreys)
17 Paul James (Bath Rugby)
18 Scott Andrews (Cardiff Blues)
19 Luke Charteris (Racing Metro)
20 Justin Tipuric (Ospreys)
21 Mike Phillips (Racing Metro)
22 Rhys Priestland (Scarlets)
23 Scott Williams (Scarlets)

B. Form (last 4 games):

1. SCOTLAND

07/02/15 - France 15 - 8 Scotland

22/11/14 - Scotland 37 - 12 Tonga

15/11/14 - Scotland 16 - 24 New Zealand

08/11/14 - Scotland 41 - 31 Argentina

2. WALES

06/02/15 - Wales 16 - 21 England

29/11/14 - Wales 12 - 6 South Africa

22/11/14 - Wales 16 - 34 New Zealand

15/11/14  - Wales 17 - 13 Fiji

C. Head to Head:

120 Played 120

48 Wins 69

69 Losses 48

3 Draws 3

180 Tries 227

80 Conversions 112

130 Penalties 142

30 Drop Goals 25

1,204 Points 1,578

Duty281 wrote:This commentary from Jonathan Davies is incredibly impartial and embarrassing.

Looking at the TMO for yellows will always result in just that, a yellow, as such incidents look so   much worse in slow-motion.

Scotland need to cut the errors out, and they can win this.

He does get a bit excited

tigertattie wrote:So if a Scotsman gets a card its deserved but if a Welshman gets a card for the same offence it's the crowds fault?

It did not look like a yellow card to me as it was genuinely a competition for the ball. JD2 is watching the ball all the way and jumped looking to tap the ball back. The crowds reaction certainly had some influence there, nothing wrong with it, all home crowds do the same.

Let 'em off at the end there. Scotland the better team on the whole. Games there for the winning

That was exciting play! Great tackle from Halfpenny! Scotland look better than they have for years. I think the ref isn't doing well though.

Scotland had to score there. Fancy Wales from here now.

Scotland haven't learnt from last weekend, far too many mistakes and we're in danger of throwing this one away again

nathan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:This commentary from Jonathan Davies is incredibly impartial and embarrassing.

Looking at the TMO for yellows will always result in just that, a yellow, as such incidents look so   much worse in slow-motion.

Scotland need to cut the errors out, and they can win this.

He does get a bit excited

Oops, just realised in my haste, I wrote "impartial".

I clearly meant the opposite of that!

JD was a challenge for the ball, Russell clearly wasn't - thought you were all saying there was nothing in that despite the fact Biggar could have broke his collar bone. I do think JD's was wreck less and would give a yellow, but going by all similar challenges this year then it isn't a yellow. They should review the ruling around that one.

Clear high tackle before Wales try - so should have been 3 to Scotland instead of a try to Wales ... 10 point turnaround

Duty281 wrote:

nathan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:This commentary from Jonathan Davies is incredibly impartial and embarrassing.

Looking at the TMO for yellows will always result in just that, a yellow, as such incidents look so   much worse in slow-motion.

Scotland need to cut the errors out, and they can win this.

He does get a bit excited

Oops, just realised in my haste, I wrote "impartial".

I clearly meant the opposite of that!

i think everyone knew what you meant haha

Nachos Jones wrote:

The Saint wrote:Isn't advantage over after they make so much ground? (Genuine question).

I seriously don't understand the rule anymore, that was more than enough advantage for Scotland in my eyes.

Allow me to teach you the rules of the game.

Wales illegally tried to stop the scottish maul. Penalty awarded
Scotland still going forward so advantage played
Scotland make 20 metres
Wales try to illegally stop the maul
New penalty, new advantage
Maul is eventually stopped ref gives Scotland the penalty from the position where the LAST offence took place

I have a new found respect for Biggar, lots of player would have milked it here to get a red for Russell.

Scotland undeservedly behind despite looking better in every facet of the game, incredible..

Nachos Jones wrote:

tigertattie wrote:So if a Scotsman gets a card its deserved but if a Welshman gets a card for the same offence it's the crowds fault?

It did not look like a yellow card to me as it was genuinely a competition for the ball. JD2 is watching the ball all the way and jumped looking to tap the ball back. The crowds reaction certainly had some influence there, nothing wrong with it, all home crowds do the same.

Nowhere near the ball. Thats the problem. So its a tackle in the air, not malicious or deliberate. yellow card.

Russell pulled out realising he wasn't going to get to the ball - but still went into him hence yellow right as well. Mistime a catch / jump you are allways at risk of the yellow

First off IF and still think its a big IF we win this game then I will be screaming and shouting with the rest of Wales but sorry the win will only be papering over some serious cracks IMO.

VinceWLB wrote:I have a new found respect for Biggar, lots of player would have milked it here to get a red for Russell.

Scotland undeservedly behind despite looking better in every facet of the game, incredible..

in fiarness, he did get a few roles in before shouting at the ref

Heaf wrote:Clear high tackle before Wales try - so should have been 3 to Scotland instead of a try to Wales ...

Yup, none of the commentary team seemed to bring it up.

tigertattie wrote:

Nachos Jones wrote:

The Saint wrote:Isn't advantage over after they make so much ground? (Genuine question).

I seriously don't understand the rule anymore, that was more than enough advantage for Scotland in my eyes.

Allow me to teach you the rules of the game.

Wales illegally tried to stop the scottish maul. Penalty awarded
Scotland still going forward so advantage played
Scotland make 20 metres
Wales try to illegally stop the maul
New penalty, new advantage
Maul is eventually stopped ref gives Scotland the penalty from the position where the LAST offence took place

The ref didn't give any new penalties, he went back for the original one?

really need to cut out these bloody errors, Jiffy's arrogance is infuriating. Welsh try shouldn't even have stood but what can you do when you're constantly getting shat on by refs.

God I get creeped out by Inverdale and his dead, terrifying eyes.

TJ wrote:

Nachos Jones wrote:

tigertattie wrote:So if a Scotsman gets a card its deserved but if a Welshman gets a card for the same offence it's the crowds fault?

It did not look like a yellow card to me as it was genuinely a competition for the ball. JD2 is watching the ball all the way and jumped looking to tap the ball back. The crowds reaction certainly had some influence there, nothing wrong with it, all home crowds do the same.

Nowhere near the ball.  Thats the problem.  So its a tackle in the air, not malicious or deliberate. yellow card.  

Russell pulled out realising he wasn't going to get to the ball - but still went into him hence yellow right as well.  Mistime a catch / jump you are allways at risk of the yellow

To me, neither were yellow cards. I know what the rules say and both were correctly yellow carded but personally I believe that neither deserved a yellow card. I am a believer in competing for the ball. Russell was not on time, it looked worse because Biggar could have been seriously hurt but neither were intentional. Rules is rules though.

Notch wrote:God I get creeped out by Inverdale and his dead, terrifying eyes.

i'm still shocked he hasn't mentioned how great england are yet

Jon Davies junior looked to be in front of Webb, surely that's blocking in that instance?

The Saint wrote:

tigertattie wrote:

Nachos Jones wrote:

The Saint wrote:Isn't advantage over after they make so much ground? (Genuine question).

I seriously don't understand the rule anymore, that was more than enough advantage for Scotland in my eyes.

Allow me to teach you the rules of the game.

Wales illegally tried to stop the scottish maul. Penalty awarded
Scotland still going forward so advantage played
Scotland make 20 metres
Wales try to illegally stop the maul
New penalty, new advantage
Maul is eventually stopped ref gives Scotland the penalty from the position where the LAST offence took place

The ref didn't give any new penalties, he went back for the original one?

Nah the penalty was taken 20m from where the first foul took place

TJ wrote:

Nachos Jones wrote:

tigertattie wrote:So if a Scotsman gets a card its deserved but if a Welshman gets a card for the same offence it's the crowds fault?

It did not look like a yellow card to me as it was genuinely a competition for the ball. JD2 is watching the ball all the way and jumped looking to tap the ball back. The crowds reaction certainly had some influence there, nothing wrong with it, all home crowds do the same.

Nowhere near the ball.  Thats the problem.  So its a tackle in the air, not malicious or deliberate. yellow card.  

Russell pulled out realising he wasn't going to get to the ball - but still went into him hence yellow right as well.  Mistime a catch / jump you are allways at risk of the yellow

It's ruining games,just outlaw jumping and we'll see far more games with 15 players a side instead of losing players because they mistime a jump.It would take nothing away from the game and result in fewer penalties and cards deciding games.

They were both definitely penalties for me, but I feel that Russell's was an 'order of magnitude' worse than JDs, so if Russell's was a yellow then JDs should just have been a penalty for the reasons that Lamont has put a shrewd nudge on JD and he has actually tried to compete for the ball.

teh_Dingmeister wrote:

Heaf wrote:Clear high tackle before Wales try - so should have been 3 to Scotland instead of a try to Wales ...

Yup, none of the commentary team seemed to bring it up.

They did mention some of the crowd were calling for it (correctly) - Scotland can feel aggrieved with that as it was a 10 point turnaround ...

Nachos Jones wrote:

TJ wrote:

Nachos Jones wrote:

tigertattie wrote:So if a Scotsman gets a card its deserved but if a Welshman gets a card for the same offence it's the crowds fault?

It did not look like a yellow card to me as it was genuinely a competition for the ball. JD2 is watching the ball all the way and jumped looking to tap the ball back. The crowds reaction certainly had some influence there, nothing wrong with it, all home crowds do the same.

Nowhere near the ball.  Thats the problem.  So its a tackle in the air, not malicious or deliberate. yellow card.  

Russell pulled out realising he wasn't going to get to the ball - but still went into him hence yellow right as well.  Mistime a catch / jump you are allways at risk of the yellow

To me, neither were yellow cards. I know what the rules say and both were correctly yellow carded but personally I believe that neither deserved a yellow card. I am a believer in competing for the ball. Russell was not on time, it looked worse because Biggar could have been seriously hurt but neither were intentional. Rules is rules though.

Spot on post

teh_Dingmeister wrote:

Heaf wrote:Clear high tackle before Wales try - so should have been 3 to Scotland instead of a try to Wales ...

Yup, none of the commentary team seemed to bring it up.

It should have been looked at using the TMO, as Nick Easters overrun was at the MS.

Heaf wrote:

teh_Dingmeister wrote:

Heaf wrote:Clear high tackle before Wales try - so should have been 3 to Scotland instead of a try to Wales ...

Yup, none of the commentary team seemed to bring it up.

They did mention some of the crowd were calling for it (correctly) - Scotland can feel aggrieved with that as it was a 10 point turnaround ...

Defo high tackle.

Can someone shoot Jiffy, please? So one-eyed, it's not true.

Nachos Jones wrote:

TJ wrote:

Nachos Jones wrote:

tigertattie wrote:So if a Scotsman gets a card its deserved but if a Welshman gets a card for the same offence it's the crowds fault?

It did not look like a yellow card to me as it was genuinely a competition for the ball. JD2 is watching the ball all the way and jumped looking to tap the ball back. The crowds reaction certainly had some influence there, nothing wrong with it, all home crowds do the same.

Nowhere near the ball.  Thats the problem.  So its a tackle in the air, not malicious or deliberate. yellow card.  

Russell pulled out realising he wasn't going to get to the ball - but still went into him hence yellow right as well.  Mistime a catch / jump you are allways at risk of the yellow

To me, neither were yellow cards. I know what the rules say and both were correctly yellow carded but personally I believe that neither deserved a yellow card. I am a believer in competing for the ball. Russell was not on time, it looked worse because Biggar could have been seriously hurt but neither were intentional. Rules is rules though.

Yep this is my view as well,imo you jump at your own risk the law makes it a penalty to jump in the tackle (for player safety) so why it completely contradicts itself by rewarding jumping in open play is beyond me.The laws have been made individually and their is no joined up thinking in their application.

teh_Dingmeister wrote:Jon Davies junior looked to be in front of Webb, surely that's blocking in that instance?

Nah, it was a tackle off the ball on him by your 13. Stop being such a cyclops.

I thought it was clear blocking for the try too, he wasn't keeping up with the play he was ahead of it and clearly obstructing the defender, far more obvious than last weeks.

Garbage scrum again

He was ahead of the runner just which is why the tackle was made. Should the tmo have been involved it would have been chalked off.

bedfordwelsh wrote:Garbage scrum again

who's backup to Jenkins?

The blocking or not was irrelevant really as there should have been a penalty for a high tackle before the turnover ...

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I thought it was clear blocking for the try too, he wasn't keeping up with the play he was ahead of it and clearly obstructing the defender, far more obvious than last weeks.

Maybe I am not so up to date on the rules anymore but is there a rule for where a supporting runner should be? Personally I saw nothing wrong with the try.

Nachos Jones wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I thought it was clear blocking for the try too, he wasn't keeping up with the play he was ahead of it and clearly obstructing the defender, far more obvious than last weeks.

Maybe I am not so up to date on the rules anymore but is there a rule for where a supporting runner should be? Personally I saw nothing wrong with the try.

Welsh player scores, hence it was cheating.

A supporting runner can't be ahead of the play can he, that is pretty damn obvious, the only reason he was was to stop the tackler.

Yeah the try looked fine to me,he obviously knew what he was doing and was blocking but he was also a support runner and didn't really alter his line to obstruct he just slowed his pace slightly so his natural running line got in the way.Good play imo.

The Saint wrote:

Nachos Jones wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I thought it was clear blocking for the try too, he wasn't keeping up with the play he was ahead of it and clearly obstructing the defender, far more obvious than last weeks.

Maybe I am not so up to date on the rules anymore but is there a rule for where a supporting runner should be? Personally I saw nothing wrong with the try.

Welsh player scores, hence it was cheating.

Rarely post on here but it's pretty clear what a tool you are, no doubt you'll cry to the mods now.

How are Scotland not ahead? We're garbage.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:A supporting runner can't be ahead of the play can he, that is pretty damn obvious, the only reason he was was to stop the tackler.

I will have to watch it again then as at first glance, I thought he was running a support line behind Webb.

asoreleftshoulder wrote:Yeah the try looked fine to me,he obviously knew what he was doing and was blocking but he was also a support runner and didn't really alter his line to obstruct he just slowed his pace slightly so his natural running line got in the way.Good play imo.

doesnt the support runner just have to keep his line? I remember Mike Brown doing it when Manu scored against the All Blacks.

Cant be a support runner ahead of the player withe ball though so pen. And the high tackle before so Scotland a touch unlucky.

Hibbard hasn't been great these past 2 weeks has he... Call up Owens?

nathan wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:Garbage scrum again

who's backup to Jenkins?

James today with Rob Evans in the main squad

The Saint wrote:How are Scotland not ahead? We're garbage.

Poor officiating ... Scotland should have been given a penalty for a high tackle on Visser, instead Wales turn the ball over and score a try - should have been 13 - 9 to Scotland at that point not 10-16 so a 10 point call by the officials goes in favour of Wales ... where was the TMO for that one?

Ball pinged for taking the man out - penalty. Why was Scotland's player not penalised for taking out JD in the build up to Webb's try. Too many anti-wales posters on here hence it doesn't get mentioned.

Heaf wrote:

The Saint wrote:How are Scotland not ahead? We're garbage.

Poor officiating ... Scotland should have been given a penalty for a high tackle on Visser, instead Wales turn the ball over and score a try - should have been 13 - 9 to Scotland at that point not 10-16 so a 10 point call by the officials goes in favour of Wales ...

Hilarious. We beat Scotland every year (maybe not today) and the ref always gets blamed.