6N Round 2: Scotland v Wales, 15 February

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SCOTLAND v WALES
Sunday 15 February 2015
KO 15:00 (GMT)
BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh

Live on BBC1

Referee: Glen Jackson (NZR)
AR1: George Clancy (IRFU)
AR2: Dudley Phillips (IRFU)
TMO: Simon McDowell (IRFU)

A. Teams:

1. SCOTLAND

15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors);
14 Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors);
13 Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors);
12 Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors);
11 Tim Visser (Edinburgh Rugby);
10 Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors);
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Gloucester);

1 Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh Rugby);
2 Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby);
3 Geoff Cross (London Irish);
4 Richie Gray (Castres);
5 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors);
6 Rob Harley (Glasgow Warriors),
7 Blair Cowan (London Irish);
8 Johnnie Beattie (Castres);

16 Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors);
17 Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors);
18 Jon Welsh (Glasgow Warriors);
19 Jim Hamilton (Saracens);
20 Alasdair Strokosch (USA Perpignan);
21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Edinburgh Rugby);
22 Greig Tonks (Edinburgh Rugby);
23 Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby);

2. WALES

15 Leigh Halfpenny (Toulon)
14 Alex Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues)
13 Jonathan Davies (ASM Clermont Auvergne)
12 Jamie Roberts (Racing Metro)
11 Liam Williams (Scarlets)
10 Dan Biggar (Ospreys)
09 Rhys Webb (Ospreys)

01 Gethin Jenkins (Cardiff Blues)
02 Richard Hibbard (Gloucester)
03 Aaron Jarvis (Ospreys)
04 Jake Ball (Scarlets)
05 Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys)
06 Dan Lydiate (Ospreys)
07 Sam Warburton (Cardiff Blues, CAPT)
08 Taulupe Faletau (Newport Gwent Dragons)

16 Scott Baldwin (Ospreys)
17 Paul James (Bath Rugby)
18 Scott Andrews (Cardiff Blues)
19 Luke Charteris (Racing Metro)
20 Justin Tipuric (Ospreys)
21 Mike Phillips (Racing Metro)
22 Rhys Priestland (Scarlets)
23 Scott Williams (Scarlets)

B. Form (last 4 games):

1. SCOTLAND

07/02/15 - France 15 - 8 Scotland

22/11/14 - Scotland 37 - 12 Tonga

15/11/14 - Scotland 16 - 24 New Zealand

08/11/14 - Scotland 41 - 31 Argentina

2. WALES

06/02/15 - Wales 16 - 21 England

29/11/14 - Wales 12 - 6 South Africa

22/11/14 - Wales 16 - 34 New Zealand

15/11/14  - Wales 17 - 13 Fiji

C. Head to Head:

120 Played 120

48 Wins 69

69 Losses 48

3 Draws 3

180 Tries 227

80 Conversions 112

130 Penalties 142

30 Drop Goals 25

1,204 Points 1,578

Idiot Hamilton, they could have drop kicked the conversion and got another chance if they didn't waste time there

Kicker a bit dull

Get in. A vital win for Wales. Not a great performance, but we needed that.

Jackson has been a disgrace. How is Mitrea reffing in the Pro12 and this guy is reffing 6N rugby?

Hamilton you tool!

Punch him after the whistle you could have won then

Swap Biggar for Russell and Scotland would probably have won that.

Wales are such a jammy team. They get away with so much, this was another great example! There was time left there!

Jim Hamilton can't help himself!!

There should have been one more phase of play there. No evidence we'd have scored off it mind.

TightHEAD wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

The Saint wrote:Our winger being held back there... Nobody english want to mention that?

Wait a second here, the English hate the Scottish far more than the Welsh so drop the BS.

I

Wales is a part of england Scotland isnt.

Don't feed the troll

Did the Scottish 10 know he could have dropped kicked it?

Once again way too many errors for Scotland. We could bicker about refereeing decisions all night (I have no doubt some of you will), but Laidlaw has to take a big part of the blame for that loss. We were camped on their try line with time still to win the match and he was headless. I want to see SHC start, he can ignite this exciting young backline and boss the forwards in a way Laidlaw just can't.

Massive improvement by the Scots they are moving forward not sure about Wales.

That was a disgusting display of refereeing from Glenn Jackson. He should hang his head in shame.

This isn't a question of interpretation, it's simple timekeeping. If the kick is converted before the 80 minutes is up, you HAVE TO allow the restart.

I'm sure I'll calm down in April.

BamBam wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

The Saint wrote:Our winger being held back there... Nobody english want to mention that?

Wait a second here, the English hate the Scottish far more than the Welsh so drop the BS.

Don't know about that mate, the Saint is doing a good job of making sure that changes

We've been hated on here since 2011. If you hate WALES because of me then that says more about you.

Another bad decision as we should have had another kick off. Unlucky Scotland.

Sam running for the line. Stopped by a high tackle by the last Welsh defender. Try not given due to s knock on.

No ref.

Read your rule book. Penalty committed to prevent a score = yellow card and a penalty try

From a neutral Englishman, who did not care who won out of Scotland and Wales, that was an absolute embarrassment from the referee.

Scotland still made far too many errors, though, and a clinical edge was lacking.

LondonTiger wrote:Swap Biggar for Russell and Scotland would probably have won that.

Russell was dreadful today. Straight from the Goodman or Parks play book. I'm a big fan and he's a young man but he was cr*p today.

I am not a big one for blaming ref's for bad games but that was a terrible performance in the second half from Jackson.

How Wales did not see a yellow for persistent professionals fouls, I will never know.

Commiserations Scotland, always so close but so far away. I keep thinking that it will click for you guys but it never really does.

The Saint, please feck off with your constant wumming. It's just tiresome and adds nothing of worth at all to the conversation

A worse ref than Walsh.
Wow - never thought I'd type that!

Genuine question, if Wales had just kicked the kick off out of play, would that have been game over anyway?

Braindead from Hamilton too, just get up and run back.

Nearly again

I'm going to sulk. Scotland should have won that - three times at least Wales held out on their goaline. don't whinge about the ref. Its the scotland team that did not take those chances and thats why we lost. Not the best reffing performance but not that bad.

Probably worth dropping Laidlaw even if he is captain, too ponderous and made shocking decisions at times. Hamilton having a scuffle was just mind numbingly stupid even for him, get the damn conversion over and stop wasting time.

BamBam wrote:Idiot Hamilton, they could have drop kicked the conversion and got another chance if they didn't waste time there

Yes I agree, too busy squashing JD on the floor and being a bully, he wasted about 20 seconds messing about there which brought the referee into it.

It's a shame Wales gave away that try at the end, it made the score looks closer than it should of been.
Also one more thing that needs saying is the time of the game isnt the BBC clock, we've had this discussion before. It's the TMO's clock that runs the game.

The Saint wrote:

BamBam wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

The Saint wrote:Our winger being held back there... Nobody english want to mention that?

Wait a second here, the English hate the Scottish far more than the Welsh so drop the BS.

Don't know about that mate, the Saint is doing a good job of trying to making sure that changes

We've been hated on here since 2011. If you hate WALES because of me then that says more about you.

I missed out the words in bold

I don't hate Wales, and "The Saint" isn't really that annoying, just makes me laugh at the irony of you calling the rest of the board biased

Got to laugh at All these accusations from the usual whinging posters, every single WALES game you're all out in full force. Go take a look at the scoreboard, that's our 8th straight win over Scotland and for the matches on here the ref has been blamed on every occassion. That was one of the worst Wales performances in years and Scotland still can't beat us - we can for now safely say no corner has been turned.

Well done Wales, but don't expect any congratulations from the supposed 'neutrals.'

TJ wrote:I'm going to sulk.  Scotland should have won that - three times at least Wales held out on their goaline.  don't whinge about the ref.  Its the scotland team that did not take those chances and thats why we lost.  Not the best reffing performance but not that bad.  

Absolutely, 100%. You can't control the refereeing decisions, you can keep your composure when camped on the opposition line. That we didn't win that game is down to the Scottish players, full stop!

If I ever hear a "Welsh" person complaining of other teams illegal habits again, I'll explode! How many times can a player fall onto the oppositions side at tackle and breakdown "accidently". Ref blew it time and time again

JDizzle wrote:Genuine question, if Wales had just kicked the kick off out of play, would that have been game over anyway?

Braindead from Hamilton too, just get up and run back.

No would have been a scrum on half was to Scotland.

Brave effort from Scotland, another day another Ref they would have won

Even Jiffy was dumbfounded at some of Jackson's decisions, the high tackle on Sam H-C not resulting in a yellow card or pen try probably the icing on the cake.

teh_Dingmeister wrote:Probably worth dropping Laidlaw even if he is captain, too ponderous and made shocking decisions at times. Hamilton having a scuffle was just mind numbingly stupid even for him, get the damn conversion over and stop wasting time.

Agree, it's a bold move but Hidalgo-Clyne should start against Italy.

Hamilton should be taken off the bench for Toolis, and Strokosch for Brown. Strokosch has added nothing off the bench in two games now.

We have seen three dreadful referees this weekend but Glen Jackson takes the biscuit for sheer incompetence.

Wales score a try after a clear high tackle. Numerous penalties in the red zone and no card for Wales. Clearly time on the clock after the conversion and he blows the whistle.

We were rubbish as usual but Jackson, didn't look at two possible tries, must have bypassed about 5 or 6 penalties given away 5 meters out no card, a friggin high tackle stopping a try STILL NO CARD and can't even keep time properly. Utterly useless!

It's a shame though, we had the upper hand on the set piece created numerous chances but it's just the same old story and it's very boring!

No 7&1/2 wrote:

JDizzle wrote:Genuine question, if Wales had just kicked the kick off out of play, would that have been game over anyway?

Braindead from Hamilton too, just get up and run back.

No would have been a scrum on half was to Scotland.

Why? Scrum or lineout is game over?

teh_Dingmeister wrote:Even Jiffy was dumbfounded at some of Jackson's decisions, the high tackle on Sam H-C not resulting in a yellow card or pen try probably the icing on the cake.

That was a stinker, he dropped it straight down so didn't even knock it on

funnyExiledScot wrote:

teh_Dingmeister wrote:Probably worth dropping Laidlaw even if he is captain, too ponderous and made shocking decisions at times. Hamilton having a scuffle was just mind numbingly stupid even for him, get the damn conversion over and stop wasting time.

Agree, it's a bold move but Hidalgo-Clyne should start against Italy.

Hamilton should be taken off the bench for Toolis, and Strokosch for Brown. Strokosch has added nothing off the bench in two games now.

Yup and Yup. SHC is on top form right now but start him? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Italy next isn't it? This team has had two games and its not quite clicked. Maybe its time for a bit of a shake up.

Why is Strokosch anywhere near the team? Is he not playing 2nd division rugby? Barclay had another good game for the Scarlets today aswell...

The Saint wrote:Got to laugh at All these accusations from the usual whinging posters, every single WALES game you're all out in full force. Go take a look at the scoreboard, that's our 8th straight win over Scotland and for the matches on here the ref has been blamed on every occassion. That was one of the worst Wales performances in years and Scotland still can't beat us - we can for now safely say no corner has been turned.

Well done Wales, but don't expect any congratulations from the supposed 'neutrals.'

I am a neutral and will say well done to Wales on the win, overall I believe they were the better side today. That said, you cannot deny that Wales lived a very charmed life in the last 7 mins by keeping a full compliment of players on the field when realistically, they should have seen a yellow card for persistent professional fouls. That may or may not have changed to outcome of the match but even the most rose tinted Welsh fan must admit at least that

A really hard fought win for Wales. But how many yellow cards did Wales get away with in the last 5/10 minutes

I think Scotland was very unlucky today. But well done Wales.

JDizzle wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

JDizzle wrote:Genuine question, if Wales had just kicked the kick off out of play, would that have been game over anyway?

Braindead from Hamilton too, just get up and run back.

No would have been a scrum on half was to Scotland.

Why? Scrum or lineout is game over?

The game is deemed not to have restarted I guess but that would have been the outcome if it occured.

Well played scotland

JDizzle wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

JDizzle wrote:Genuine question, if Wales had just kicked the kick off out of play, would that have been game over anyway?

Braindead from Hamilton too, just get up and run back.

No would have been a scrum on half was to Scotland.

Why? Scrum or lineout is game over?

I think if ref thinks it was deliberately kicked out it is a penalty.

In fairness to Wales, very good defensively and a very impressive display with the high ball, Halfpenny and Biggar were superb in that area.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

JDizzle wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

JDizzle wrote:Genuine question, if Wales had just kicked the kick off out of play, would that have been game over anyway?

Braindead from Hamilton too, just get up and run back.

No would have been a scrum on half was to Scotland.

Why? Scrum or lineout is game over?

The game is deemed not to have restarted I guess but that would have been the outcome if it occured.

(e)
If time expires and the ball is not dead, or an awarded scrum or lineout has not been completed, the referee allows play to continue until the next time that the ball becomes dead. The ball becomes dead when the referee would have awarded a scrum, lineout, an option to the non-infringing team, drop out or after a conversion or successful penalty kick at goal. If a scrum has to be reset, the scrum has not been completed. If time expires and a mark, free kick or penalty kick is then awarded, the referee allows play to continue.

My interpretation of that is that the game would have been over had Wales kicked the kick off out?

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Why is Strokosch anywhere near the team? Is he not playing 2nd division rugby? Barclay had another good game for the Scarlets today aswell...

Suspected nepotism from the fallout of Kelly Brown with Scott Johnson from last year. The fat Aussie bluffer is still in the SRU and is probably one of the leading reasons for Brown not being included.

JDizzle wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

JDizzle wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

JDizzle wrote:Genuine question, if Wales had just kicked the kick off out of play, would that have been game over anyway?

Braindead from Hamilton too, just get up and run back.

No would have been a scrum on half was to Scotland.

Why? Scrum or lineout is game over?

The game is deemed not to have restarted I guess but that would have been the outcome if it occured.

(e)
If time expires and the ball is not dead, or an awarded scrum or lineout has not been completed, the referee allows play to continue until the next time that the ball becomes dead. The ball becomes dead when the referee would have awarded a scrum, lineout, an option to the non-infringing team, drop out or after a conversion or successful penalty kick at goal. If a scrum has to be reset, the scrum has not been completed. If time expires and a mark, free kick or penalty kick is then awarded, the referee allows play to continue.

My interpretation of that is that the game would have been over had Wales kicked the kick off out?

The ball was dead after the try.

JDizzle wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

JDizzle wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

JDizzle wrote:Genuine question, if Wales had just kicked the kick off out of play, would that have been game over anyway?

Braindead from Hamilton too, just get up and run back.

No would have been a scrum on half was to Scotland.

Why? Scrum or lineout is game over?

The game is deemed not to have restarted I guess but that would have been the outcome if it occured.

(e)
If time expires and the ball is not dead, or an awarded scrum or lineout has not been completed, the referee allows play to continue until the next time that the ball becomes dead. The ball becomes dead when the referee would have awarded a scrum, lineout, an option to the non-infringing team, drop out or after a conversion or successful penalty kick at goal. If a scrum has to be reset, the scrum has not been completed. If time expires and a mark, free kick or penalty kick is then awarded, the referee allows play to continue.

My interpretation of that is that the game would have been over had Wales kicked the kick off out?

As above - if done deliberately without bouncing its a penalty offence.