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Post by RDW Sun Feb 15, 2015 8:11 pm

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6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 12 Scot_f10   6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 12 Italy_13
SCOTLAND v ITALY
Saturday 28 February 2015
KO 14:30 (GMT)
BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh

Live on BBC1

Referee: George Clancy (IRFU)6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 12 Gaah11
AR1: Romain Poite (FFR)
AR2: Leighton Hodges (WRU)
TMO: Graham Hughes (RFU)

A. Teams:

1. SCOTLAND
6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 12 Susan_10
15 Stuart Hogg
14 Tommy Seymour
13 Mark Bennett
12 Alex Dunbar
11 Sean Lamont
10 Peter Horne
09 Greig Laidlaw (capt)

01 Alasdair Dickinson
02 Ross Ford
03 Euan Murray
04 Tim Swinson
05 Jonny Gray
06 Rob Harley
07 Blair Cowan
08 Johnnie Beattie

16 Fraser Brown
17 Ryan Grant
18 Geoff Cross
19 Ben Toolis
20 Hamish Watson
21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne
22 Greig Tonks
23 Matt Scott

2. ITALY
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15 Luke McLean
14 Michele Visentin
13 Luca Morisi
12 Enrico Bacchin
11 Giovambattista Venditti
10 Kelly Haimona
09 Edoardo Gori

01 Matias Aguero
02 Leonardo Ghiraldini
03 Dario Chistolini
04 George Fabio Biagi
05 Joshua Furno
06 Francesco Minto
07 Simone Favaro
08 Sergio Parisse (capt)

16 Andrea Manici
17 Alberto De Marchi
18 Lorenzo Cittadini
19 Marco Fuser
20 Samuela Vunisa
21 Guglielmo Palazzani
22 Tommaso Allan
23 Giulio Bisegni.

B. Form (last 4 games):

1. SCOTLAND

15/02/15 - Scotland 23 - 26 Wales

07/02/15 - France 15 - 8 Scotland

22/11/14 - Scotland 37 - 12 Tonga

15/11/14 - Scotland 16 - 24 New Zealand

2. ITALY

14/02/15 - England 47 - 17 Italy

07/02/15 - Italy 3 - 26 Ireland

22/11/14 - Italy 6–22 South Africa

14/11/14 - Italy 18–20 Argentina

C. Head to Head:

21 Played 21

14 Wins 7

7 Losses 14

0 Draws 0

40 Tries 28

30 Conversions 23

58 Penalties 50

5 Drop Goals 6

475 Points 365

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Post by Nachos Jones Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:09 pm

The scrums are simply poor. Agree with the commentators about Clancy being close to showing a yellow card?

What are you talking about Steffan?

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Post by Notch Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:10 pm

I think thats a try, unbelievable perk of having such a poor placekicker!
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Post by Nachos Jones Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:11 pm

Scotland really caught napping there, looks a try to me.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:11 pm

Oh FFS. That is criminal. Why don't we just hand Italy the game now?

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Post by Steffan Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:11 pm

Griff wrote:
Steffan wrote:It amazing what a clean side Scotland can be when Dan Bigger isn't playing against them


T*sser.
And proud of it...tough guy Very Happy

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Post by mystiroakey Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:12 pm

How lucky do you want to get!!


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Post by tigertattie Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:12 pm

We really do switch off at times!
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Post by Guest Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:15 pm

Steffan wrote:
Griff wrote:
Steffan wrote:It amazing what a clean side Scotland can be when Dan Bigger isn't playing against them


T*sser.
And proud of it...tough guy Very Happy

I'm embarrassed for you.

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Post by FecklessRogue Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:15 pm

That Italian number 10 might just be the worst player I have ever seen in the 6 Nations.
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Post by majesticimperialman Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:15 pm

Italy are doing well here. Scotland seemed to be running away with it. But well done to Italy for sticking in there.

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Post by RDW Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:16 pm

Well that was just dreadful.

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Post by Notch Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:16 pm

FecklessRogue wrote:That Italian number 10 might just be the worst player I have ever seen in the 6 Nations.

Brilliant assist tbf.
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Post by Nachos Jones Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:17 pm

FecklessRogue wrote:That Italian number 10 might just be the worst player I have ever seen in the 6 Nations.
He looks so lazy, Luke McLean is covering two positions for him, his kicking is poor, his positional awareness is non existent and his defence is average at best.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:18 pm

Scotland looking mentally fragile again. Laidlaw needs to take control of the team.

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Post by tigertattie Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:24 pm

Watching the replay. Is the try venditti scored not a double movement? He is tackled, tries to ground the ball to the right of the post, he's pulled back then has another crack at the line to the left of the post!!!
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Post by Steffan Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:24 pm

Big second half off Italy now hopefully

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Post by Cowshot Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:26 pm

tigertattie wrote:Watching the replay. Is the try venditti scored not a double movement? He is tackled, tries to ground the ball to the right of the post, he's pulled back then has another crack at the line to the left of the post!!!

Did it touch ground inside the posts? If not, there's no double movement.

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Post by FecklessRogue Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:27 pm

Notch wrote:
FecklessRogue wrote:That Italian number 10 might just be the worst player I have ever seen in the 6 Nations.

Brilliant assist tbf.

I like the way lulled Scotland into a false sense of security by kicking so poorly for two and a half matches, then BANG! He sets up the try when they least expect it.
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Post by Notch Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:28 pm

tigertattie wrote:Watching the replay. Is the try venditti scored not a double movement? He is tackled, tries to ground the ball to the right of the post, he's pulled back then has another crack at the line to the left of the post!!!

Naw, he doesn't ground the ball at any point before he does if you know what I mean. He isn't taken to ground before he places the ball either.
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Post by Prothero Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:30 pm

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Post by Cowshot Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:32 pm

Not picked for his kicking game, Mr Horne, I'm guessing.

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Post by Notch Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:33 pm

Haimona off. The only surprise is that he starts at all.
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Post by Nachos Jones Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:34 pm

That's the one rule I dislike about mauling and the choke tackle, the team going forward and with momentum looses the feed at the scrum.

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Post by Notch Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:35 pm

Nachos Jones wrote:That's the one rule I dislike about mauling and the choke tackle, the team going forward and with momentum looses the feed at the scrum.

If they were going forward the referee wouldn't have a decision to make.
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Post by tigertattie Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:38 pm

It's all a bit stodgy this game!
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Post by Nachos Jones Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:38 pm

Notch wrote:
Nachos Jones wrote:That's the one rule I dislike about mauling and the choke tackle, the team going forward and with momentum looses the feed at the scrum.

If they were going forward the referee wouldn't have a decision to make.

Pretty sure that Italy were moving forward when the maul collapsed. Scotland could then just lie all over the ball knowing that they would get the scrum. I just see that if Italy had been making the meters and the ball goes dead then they deserved the put in.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:40 pm

Excited to see Watson get the ball in his hands. Did Beattie actually do anything today?

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Post by Notch Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:41 pm

Italy were going forward- and then the maul collapsed so they stopped going forward. So neither side is going forward when the referee has to make a decision on whether the ball is playable or not.

Giving the put-in to the mauling side would remove the incentive to take it out of the maul.


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Post by HammerofThunor Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:41 pm

Attacker gets enough benefits at the maul IMO. Keep it at the back and you can get the ball out if it goes down.

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Post by Nachos Jones Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:41 pm

Rob Harley was letting a few elbows loose on the Italian players back in that scrum...

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Post by Manky-Flanker Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:43 pm

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:Excited to see Watson get the ball in his hands. Did Beattie actually do anything today?

Well as soon as Beattie went off, our scrum went backwards.

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Post by Cowshot Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:43 pm

All the Scottish kicking has been a bit too long I think. Not creating any pressure.

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Post by Nachos Jones Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:46 pm

Notch wrote:Italy were going forward- and then the maul collapsed so they stopped going forward. So neither side is going forward when the referee has to make a decision on whether the ball is playable or not.

Giving the put-in to the mauling side would remove the incentive to take it out of the maul.

Of course the maul stopped going forward when it collapsed, I am not talking about that. I am talking about the lead up to the collapse, the ball becoming unplayable and the momentum going towards the attacking side. What's wrong with having mauls?

Its the same with the choke tackle, often the side with the momentum looses the momentum due to loosing the feed when the ball becomes unplayable.

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:49 pm

That was miles forward

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Post by Cowshot Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:50 pm

Much better stuff. clap

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Post by glamorganalun Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:51 pm

Miles forward, good call , Italy defence better than the first half.

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Post by glamorganalun Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:54 pm

Wooden spoon for the loser

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Post by glamorganalun Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:56 pm

Good passage of play by Scots

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Post by Nachos Jones Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:58 pm

Did Clancy just warn the Italians there with a yellow card? Not sure if I heard it properly.

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Post by Cowshot Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:02 pm

...crunch moment of the game, perhaps...

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Post by lostinwales Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:03 pm

criminal pass to the touchlines..

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Post by tigertattie Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:03 pm

Has there been a single completed scrum in this game???
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Post by RDW Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:04 pm

This has been an utterly abject performance.

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Post by lostinwales Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:06 pm

Could easily have been a card there too. Not good

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:07 pm

Just awful.

Again Vern has left Laidlaw on the field for far too long IMO.

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Post by lostinwales Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:08 pm

Problem is, if the Italians do get the try here Scotland don't look like they can get a score back, unless they get another penalty

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Post by RDW Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:08 pm

Surely if the scrum is going nowhere they have to use it?? A good 10s not moving!

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Post by glamorganalun Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:09 pm

Scots wasting time and getting away with it

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Post by Cowshot Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:10 pm

The commentators are right about the scrums - not being used a s a restart so much as a penalty generator.

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Post by JDizzle Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:10 pm

Carlo Del Fava is the only winner of this game. heart

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