French Open 2015 Day 13 - Let's get ready to mumble....

by **JuliusHMarx** Fri 05 Jun 2015, 8:29 am

First topic message reminder :

....to ourselves in Murray-like fashion.

by CaledonianCraig Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:52 pm

Silver wrote:
Aut0Gr4ph wrote:I'm not buying this injury faking stuff as even close to an excuse. If Andy wants to get this H2H competitive again, he can't be affected every time Novak gets squiffy for a few points.

Nobody's blaming it as the sole reason for a defeat, Novak is clearly just better than Andy today. But it doesn't exempt the act from criticism.

Same with kingraf's bizarre assertion that it isn't gamesmanship because he's done it before. So? It's still affecting the opponent and seems to be a deliberate attempt to throw him off his game.

Spot on. No complaints when Novak wins as he has been the better player clearly but is there any need to chuck in the dying swan routine? I cannot recall Ali using his head to cut opponents - no need. Djokovic leads 6-3 6-3.

by LuvSports! Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:53 pm

2-0. Poor.

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:53 pm

Perhaps Andy trying a similar ruse here. Playing complete carp for two sets. Watch out Novak!

by temporary21 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:53 pm

Andys stats speak for themselves, hes by far the 4th best player of his generation, no denial changes that. Can andy hold this until the weather arrives

by kingraf Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:55 pm

Silver wrote:
Aut0Gr4ph wrote:I'm not buying this injury faking stuff as even close to an excuse. If Andy wants to get this H2H competitive again, he can't be affected every time Novak gets squiffy for a few points.

Nobody's blaming it as the sole reason for a defeat, Novak is clearly just better than Andy today. But it doesn't exempt the act from criticism.

Same with kingraf's bizarre assertion that it isn't gamesmanship because he's done it before. So? It's still affecting the opponent and seems to be a deliberate attempt to throw him off his game. I want Novak to win today but it's a shame that this has happened.

It isn't gamesmanship, or at least not in the way diving is. Diving is intentionally deceiving the ref. This is more like... well, he's pretending to be sick or he isn't. There is no reason to keep falling for it. If he's really sick bagel him.

by CaledonianCraig Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:55 pm

JohnBarrymore wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Aut0Gr4ph wrote:I'm not buying this injury faking stuff as even close to an excuse. If Andy wants to get this H2H competitive again, he can't be affected every time Novak gets squiffy for a few points.

No I am not using it as an excuse. Players are in control of themselves out there and you react accordingly to it. However, that does not make what Novak does any more palatible. He is good enough to win matches (as he has shown here) without resorting to such tactics.

SEETHING.

Andy is continually bigged up as the big 4. There isn't a big 4 and there never was. There was a big 3. Now it's just a big 1. Murray isn't in Djokovic's league and you need to realize that to avoid further disappointment.

Welcome to the forum. Avoid further disappointment? Na I still recall him becoming first Brit to win a slam for 70 years, followed by winning Wimbledon and winning Olympic Gold. Also only the tenth player in the Open era to reach all four slams semi three times and stacks of other mind-blowing stats. thumbsup

by Silver Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:55 pm

This is starting to look worryingly routine. Can Andy stem the tide?

by CaledonianCraig Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:56 pm

Silver wrote:This is starting to look worryingly routine. Can Andy stem the tide?

In a word - no.

by Jahu Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:58 pm

CC do something mannnnnnnnnnnn

by JohnBarrymore Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:58 pm

kingraf wrote:
Diving is intentionally deceiving the ref. This is more like... well, he's pretending to be sick or he isn't. There is no reason to keep falling for it.

Do you even know what gamesmanship is? I don't think Novak was doing it, but if we take your statement to be true - he was.
Please learn what gamesmanship is.

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:58 pm

temporary21 wrote:Andys stats speak for themselves, hes by far the 4th best player of his generation, no denial changes that. Can andy hold this until the weather arrives

Unfortunately for us Murray fans, he's by far the 4th best player in both directions. No great disgrace given the class of those above him, of course.

by Jahu Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:59 pm

John, are you related to Drew? Are you a Djoko fan?

Welcome to the forum Wink

by temporary21 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:01 pm

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:
temporary21 wrote:Andys stats speak for themselves, hes by far the 4th best player of his generation, no denial changes that. Can andy hold this until the weather arrives

Unfortunately for us Murray fans, he's by far the 4th best player in both directions. No great disgrace given the class of those above him, of course.

It is how it is, should be thankful to have him, look at the US for example. Deliberately trying to put down peoples factual achievements is something I cannot stand. This was the expected result, its just a shame that the one time Novak was in trouble, he suddenly looked ill

by CaledonianCraig Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:02 pm

temporary21 wrote:Andys stats speak for themselves, hes by far the 4th best player of his generation, no denial changes that. Can andy hold this until the weather arrives

Well I'd sooner the match was completed today for all concerned. Don't want this dragging out into tomorrow.

by LuvSports! Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:04 pm

TV djoko :O

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:07 pm

Not a big point, so stricken from the record.

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:08 pm

Here comes the wind, so get the asterisks ready in case Andy somehow turns around.

by CaledonianCraig Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:10 pm

One crumb of comfort to nibble on - at least this isn't the same range of thrashing he received in the semi V Nadal last year at RG.

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:22 pm

Phew, just about still alive.

by Danny_1982 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:22 pm

This reminds me of the Murray of previous years on clay. Looking half a yard off the pace and with a lack of punch on his shots, on both wings. Perhaps the cooler clay season before today has been much more favourable conditions for Andy, and that's why he's done so well up to now.

On a high bouncing dusty court he looks blunted, and moving nowhere near as well. Like most years.

by temporary21 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:23 pm

Hes giving is best, you just cant ask for more than that, this IS the guy who dumped out the 9 times champ, and making mockery of everyone else

by Jahu Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:28 pm

take the set Andy, get back, you can do it

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:33 pm

Neither player playing particularly well now, but Murray clings on.

by **laverfan** Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:36 pm

Murray has yet to see a BP. Djokovic is a miserly player.

Can Murray nick a set here? chin

Possibly a TB.

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:37 pm

Expect Novak to pounce here.

by temporary21 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:40 pm

Credit to Andy here, despite almost certainly a losing cause he refuses to give up. The type of fight that makes so many people admire guys like this

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:40 pm

Looking a bit more respectable from Andy now.

by temporary21 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:42 pm

What a 2 points!! haha well its being fun

by temporary21 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:44 pm

MAGIC! Total magic

On the other hand, THATS what you need to do to break Novak... good luck Stanimal

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:44 pm

Murray breaks!!!

by CaledonianCraig Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:44 pm

And Murray breaks. Will serve for the third set. Where is the hide behind the sofa emoticon?

by Danny_1982 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:44 pm

Where was this 2 hours ago! Tremendous from Murray.

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:45 pm

If Murray can close out the set, this could get interesting.

by JohnBarrymore Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:45 pm

Does asking for the crowd to shout and cheer count as gamesmanship? Rolling Eyes

Certainly seems to affect Novak's game.

Not that Murray has a prayer of winning this match. Not that you'd know it from the way the commentators are bigging him up haha.

by temporary21 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:47 pm

Whatever will be will be . Thats why hes a big four, people admire that kind of skill and fight

by Jermaine2015 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:47 pm

I don't care what anyone says about Andy Murray, this guy is a straight up animal! Will and desire is second to none.

by CaledonianCraig Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:49 pm

Aww disappointment for John. Wink

by temporary21 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:50 pm

Probably be four. But Andy can take some heart and pride now. He might have even stopped Novak for the day

by Jermaine2015 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:50 pm

Thank you Andy Murray for stopping Djokovic from going without dropping a set.

by CaledonianCraig Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:50 pm

Murray takes the third set. How much is left in the tank?

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:50 pm

As a Murray fan, I would settle for a five setter at this point. Even if Andy loses, he will have proven a point if he can go the distance with Novak.

by JohnBarrymore Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:51 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:Aww disappointment for John.

It doesn't matter to me if Murray loses in 3, 4 or 5... he loses. And it's the same for you Wink

You're the one who's going to come out of this match with your overrated hero beaten.

by CaledonianCraig Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:51 pm

temporary21 wrote:Probably be four. But Andy can take some heart and pride now. He might have even stopped Novak for the day

Oh Novak is still nailed on to win in my opinion but at least Andy can take something from the match now.

by **laverfan** Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:52 pm

Djokovic loses his first set of RG 2015.

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:52 pm

Andy needs to keep the crowd involved. I can see Novak getting riled.

by JohnBarrymore Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:53 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
temporary21 wrote:Probably be four. But Andy can take some heart and pride now. He might have even stopped Novak for the day

Oh Novak is still nailed on to win in my opinion but at least Andy can take something from the match now.

Do you really believe players feel better about losing in 4 to losing in 3? Players who are playing to win a Slam? Clearly you don't play competitive sport.

by Aut0Gr4ph Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:53 pm

Where are you HMM?

by temporary21 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:53 pm

Youre new apparently so Im gonna give you ONE soft warning, wind up and disrespect the posters on this forum, you wont be around long

by CaledonianCraig Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:54 pm

JohnBarrymore wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Aww disappointment for John.

It doesn't matter to me if Murray loses in 3, 4 or 5... he loses. And it's the same for you You're the one who's going to come out of this match with your hero out.

Hero? And I've already explained Muzza could retire now and he will do so with a US Open title, Wimbledon title, Olympic Gold, a hatful of top titles and records. Nothing can ever take them away from him. thumbsup

by JohnBarrymore Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:54 pm

temporary21 wrote:Youre new apparently so Im gonna give you ONE soft warning, wind up and disrespect the posters on this forum, you wont be around long

It won't be a great loss considering what I have read from you so far, and your past history seems to suggest you are a very biased moderator. boxing

The reason this forum is rather dead is because of your kind of "modding".

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