World Cup Rugby Rip off Ireland fans

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Just heard a piece on radio about how Ireland game world cup tickets cost 12.5% more than what the French games (in the same pool as Ireland) cost.

Why are Ireland fans penalised like this? We have to take out two tv subscriptions to watch European rugby, now we have to pay more for tickets to games in the UK.

And then some claim that Ireland is favoured because World Rugby is based in Ireland.

Fanster wrote:

So now you adjust your argument from purely rugby, to 'sporting events'? Would you like to add music concerts to the list of millions of income per year to the list?

My original comment: 'I'm just been honest. The only thing going for Cardiff is the Millenium Stadium. Otherwise its very run down.

The only reason I would go to Cardiff would be to go to a sporting event in the Millenium. The thought of going to Cardiff for a Music event wouldn't enter my head as we get all of those events in Ireland.

How about europes largest waterfront development?

What about it. Visiting the largest waterfront development in europe has limited appeal to me.

The national museum that draws hundreds of thousands worldwide?

Really: International Tourism

Wales attracted 884,000 international visitors spending £353 million during 2013
the 4 top generating countries for overseas tourism to Wales were the Republic of Ireland (£132,000) , France (£81,000), Germany (£107,000) and USA (£93,000)
42% of International visitors were on a holiday trip, 34% were visiting friends or relatives and 19% were on business during 2013.

The award winning theatre in the Armadillo?

A quick google tells me that it has to be bailed out every year by the Welsh Assembly.

The monumentally eccentric castle, dated in one of the oldest in the UK, and by the richest man in the world at the time?

Easy to take in on matchday.

Not to mention the new fully state of the art sports facilities, white water centre etc...

And thats before we get to Eisteddfod, a world famous brewery, blah blah blah...

All great for the locals - plenty of aquatic centres, breweries etc. in Ireland

Dublin is an amzing city which is morphing into a British version of itself, I was surprised last week by how British it felt, and it seems to be pandering to Americans, there are 4/5 new whiskey/beer tour centres that have popped up in recent years, and the 2 we visited were full of Americans and us (1 Welsh londoner and my Raheney based Girlfriend).

ah hem, being the 2nd city of the British Empire for a couple of hundred years will make it look like a British City Fortunately we have not torn down all the good bits. Interesting that Kilmainham Gaol was going to be torn down in the '50s because of the misery visited on Irish people incarcerated there. Sense prevailed though!

Dublin would very much benefit from a few Euro spent on the Liffy, jesus that look rotten!! I remember jumping in one night years ago on a night out, I wouldn't want to touch that sewege these days!

I don't think there is any sewerage in the liffey. The water is very mucky because it rises in the Wicklow mountains which are basically blanket bog (peat).

As for Americans - we're delighted to have them. They spend a lot of money in this country.

munkian wrote:My Mrs is a Dubliner and spat out her drink when I told her what Sin had posted.

I hope you told her that the only reason I would visit Cardiff is to go to a game in the Millenium Stadium.
I hope you also told her that I said that North Wales is a great place to visit.

Fanster wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:Was it full of Liffey water,Fanster should go for a check up as the Liffey has been rotten for a looooooong time.

Of course it has, but the line between 'Yay everyone in the Liffy' as a drunken mistake 10 years ago has become 'WTF he's in the Liffy call an Ambulance, or the CDC!!!'

It also has those expensive and flashy looking bridges, which makes it look worse, there was even a shopping trolley in there last week lol

All of you should go on the Viking Tour. Then you will learn that 'Dubh Linn' means 'black pool' in Irish which is what the Vikings named Dublin (because of the deep black waters of the peat-basined Liffey).

You might also like to try this in September. They have been running it since the early 1920s.

The Dublin City Liffey swim is one of the most famous open sea races throughout the world. It is unique in that Dublin is the only capital country in Europe to have a swimming race through the middle of the city. The Dublin City Liffey Swim is the highlight of the open sea swimming season and in particular for the native Dubliners there is something special about being able to swim down the Liffey in early September. This also provides a great spectacle for the Dublin public who line the quays, boardwalks and bridges along the mile and a quarter course to catch a glimpse of this unique event.

http://leinsteropensea.ie/liffey-swim/

I would not be in any rush to join that event.

And they have to be tested after for Weils disease from all the rats in it.

Its that colour and smell because its filthy - it may have been because of the peat over a 1000 years ago - certainly isn't now.

You are hugely deluded and/or blinded by prejudiced.

munkian wrote:And they have to be tested after for Weils disease from all the rats in it.

Its that colour and smell because its filthy - it may have been because of the peat over a 1000 years ago - certainly isn't now.

You are hugely deluded and/or blinded by prejudiced.

So tell me, do you regularly jump into the Taff in the centre of Cardiff?

Notch wrote:I would not be in any rush to join that event.

I wouldn't be either, but it does take place every year in September. The Liffey is tidal so they usually have it when the tide is in and they are basically swimming in salt water.

The Liffey Decent is another great event on the Liffey every year. That has been going on for about 50 years.

http://canoe.ie/liffey-descent/

Sin e doing his bit for Dublin tourism - who'd have thought it...next he'll be buying a season ticket for Leinster!

rodders wrote:Sin e doing his bit for Dublin tourism - who'd have thought it...next he'll be buying a season ticket for Leinster!

There will be another 4 page thread on their 'unfair pricing'

Sin é wrote:...
Really: International Tourism

Wales attracted 884,000 international visitors spending £353 million during 2013
the 4 top generating countries for overseas tourism to Wales were the Republic of Ireland (£132,000) , France (£81,000), Germany (£107,000) and USA (£93,000)
42% of International visitors were on a holiday trip, 34% were visiting friends or relatives and 19% were on business during 2013.
...

Just looking at that number. Its not the best comparison given that Oxford has, well, 'history' as well as fantastic architecture and is close to airports, big population centers etc, but I found this quote on the Oxford council website
'..We attract approximately 9.5 million visitors per year, generating £770 million of income for local Oxford businesses.'

From my experience Cardiff was nice, tidy, and new. Certainly a lot better than Swansea (although Swansea is closer to better coast and countryside). But nothing all that special.

munkian wrote:

rodders wrote:Sin e doing his bit for Dublin tourism - who'd have thought it...next he'll be buying a season ticket for Leinster!

There will be another 4 page thread on their 'unfair pricing'

If they were charging me more for a season ticket for the same games etc. than someone from Leinster, yes you would hear about it.

By the way, how frequently do you jump into the Avon on a night out in Bristol?

Sin é wrote:
If they were charging me more for a season ticket for the same games etc. than someone from Leinster, yes you would hear about it.

By the way, how frequently do you jump into the Avon on a night out in Bristol?

Is the RWC charging more for Irish supporters than French supporters for the SAME games, ie Ireland vs France? Its amazing how you contradict yourself so much, that all we have to do is quote yourself back to you...

Cardiff is a great city to live in. Always somethign to do, some lovely parks, good pubs and eaterie's, nice sights, not too expensive and friendly enough.

I'll never go back to Dublin. One of the most over-expensive cities I've ever been to. And everybody is trying to con you. Horrible place.

Cardiff has fantastic pubs, bars and eateries - Dublin seemed massively over expensive and overly touristy.

I only go there as my partner's family lives there.

I'd happily travel from Bristol to Cardiff for a day on the beers and some good food if rugby was on or not.

wolfball wrote:

Sin é wrote:
If they were charging me more for a season ticket for the same games etc. than someone from Leinster, yes you would hear about it.

By the way, how frequently do you jump into the Avon on a night out in Bristol?

Is the RWC charging more for Irish supporters than French supporters for the SAME games, ie Ireland vs France? Its amazing how you contradict yourself so much, that all we have to do is quote yourself back to you...

They are actually. When you tot up all the ticket costs, the RFU are gouging an extra £100 from Ireland fans on the total packages offered.

Your point about the ticket costs for the Ireland v France game is just that it would be very difficult for the RFU to offer different prices and they are not too pushed about whether the French fans turn up or not because they know they can screw the Ireland ones anyway.

Total cost of all tickets over the group:
Ireland = £2025
France = £1925

Don't buy them. Simple. It's not hard.

A whopping £100 more. I imagine that would nothing to most travelling D4 heads

Chunky Norwich wrote:Cardiff is a great city to live in. Always somethign to do, some lovely parks, good pubs and eaterie's, nice sights, not too expensive and friendly enough.

I'll never go back to Dublin. One of the most over-expensive cities I've ever been to. And everybody is trying to con you. Horrible place.

A PATHETIC and utter DISGRACE of city, SHAMEFUL!

munkian wrote:Cardiff has fantastic pubs, bars and eateries - Dublin seemed massively over expensive and overly touristy.

It is, it's horrid. There are some lovely places in Ireland. Blarney castle, Fermoy etc but Dublin is not one of them.

Do us a favour Sin as you've obviously looked into this. What's the list of games like for France and Ireland; would be interesting the see the various prices that were available for each game, and the day, time and where each game was played. You'd then get the full picture.

the-goon wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:Cardiff is a great city to live in. Always somethign to do, some lovely parks, good pubs and eaterie's, nice sights, not too expensive and friendly enough.

I'll never go back to Dublin. One of the most over-expensive cities I've ever been to. And everybody is trying to con you. Horrible place.

A PATHETIC and utter DISGRACE of city, SHAMEFUL!

I wouldn't go that far. Just above it's station.

munkian wrote:Cardiff has fantastic pubs, bars and eateries - Dublin seemed massively over expensive and overly touristy.

I only go there as my partner's family lives there.

I'd happily travel from Bristol to Cardiff for a day on the beers and some good food if rugby was on or not.

Would you jump into the Taff ?

What is your obsession with leaping into bodies of water you knacker ?

Sin é wrote:

wolfball wrote:

Sin é wrote:
If they were charging me more for a season ticket for the same games etc. than someone from Leinster, yes you would hear about it.

By the way, how frequently do you jump into the Avon on a night out in Bristol?

Is the RWC charging more for Irish supporters than French supporters for the SAME games, ie Ireland vs France? Its amazing how you contradict yourself so much, that all we have to do is quote yourself back to you...

They are actually. When you tot up all the ticket costs, the RFU are gouging an extra £100 from Ireland fans on the total packages offered.

Your point about the ticket costs for the Ireland v France game is just that it would be very difficult for the RFU to offer different prices and they are not too pushed about whether the French fans turn up or not because they know they can screw the Ireland ones anyway.

Total cost of all tickets over the group:
Ireland = £2025
France = £1925

so a 5% difference? your 12.5% quoted difference earlier in the thread you now refute?

Chunky Norwich wrote:

the-goon wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:Cardiff is a great city to live in. Always somethign to do, some lovely parks, good pubs and eaterie's, nice sights, not too expensive and friendly enough.

I'll never go back to Dublin. One of the most over-expensive cities I've ever been to. And everybody is trying to con you. Horrible place.

A PATHETIC and utter DISGRACE of city, SHAMEFUL!

I wouldn't go that far. Just above it's station.

There is a reason why its expensive  - its a popular place.

Personally I wouldn't go near the city centre after 6pm. Temple bar is a kip and most Irish people stay away from it.

Munckian, North of the city (bar the coastal areas like Clontarf, Sutton & Howth) wouldn't be the best parts of the city. Southside Dublin would have the most attractive areas.

Edit: as for my defence of the Liffey - you were just talking garbage and needed to be pulled up on it.

wolfball wrote:

Sin é wrote:

wolfball wrote:

Sin é wrote:
If they were charging me more for a season ticket for the same games etc. than someone from Leinster, yes you would hear about it.

By the way, how frequently do you jump into the Avon on a night out in Bristol?

Is the RWC charging more for Irish supporters than French supporters for the SAME games, ie Ireland vs France? Its amazing how you contradict yourself so much, that all we have to do is quote yourself back to you...

They are actually. When you tot up all the ticket costs, the RFU are gouging an extra £100 from Ireland fans on the total packages offered.

Your point about the ticket costs for the Ireland v France game is just that it would be very difficult for the RFU to offer different prices and they are not too pushed about whether the French fans turn up or not because they know they can screw the Ireland ones anyway.

Total cost of all tickets over the group:
Ireland = £2025
France = £1925

so a 5% difference? your 12.5% quoted difference earlier in the thread you now refute?

No. I'd imagine the journalist went into a more detailed comparision than I did to get 12.5%.

Was the most expensive seats? Least expensive? Average of all? Are the same stadiums being used for each related game? Are the games at the same time of the same day of the week?

Don't use logic to counter an ill informed rant - its hardly fair

No 7&1/2 wrote:Was the most expensive seats? Least expensive? Average of all? Are the same stadiums being used for each related game? Are the games at the same time of the same day of the week?

What I did was totalled all the different categories given for each match, i.e. 250+175+125+15+50+15=640.

Sunday, October 11 - Ireland v France, Millennium Stadium, kick-off 5pm (Ticket Prices: Category A £250, Category B £175, Category C £125/Child (£15), Category D £50/Child (£15)).


Most the games are in the bigger stadia (Twickers, Olympic, Wembly, Millenium) with one game in Stadium MK (France v Canada).

It doesn't really matter about the day or time tbh. The date/day is not going to stop you if you want to go to the game.

munkian wrote:Don't use logic to counter an ill informed rant - its hardly fair

All the ill informed comments were coming from you.

Anyway, you have not filled us in on your swimming exploits in the Taff or Avon.

Sin é wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Was the most expensive seats? Least expensive? Average of all? Are the same stadiums being used for each related game? Are the games at the same time of the same day of the week?

What I did was totalled all the different categories given for each match, i.e.  250+175+125+15+50+15=640.

Sunday, October 11 - Ireland v France, Millennium Stadium, kick-off 5pm (Ticket Prices: Category A £250, Category B £175, Category C £125/Child (£15), Category D £50/Child (£15)).


Most the games are in the bigger stadia (Twickers, Olympic, Wembly, Millenium) with one game in Stadium MK (France v Canada).

It doesn't really matter about the day or time tbh. The date/day is not going to stop you if you want to go to the game.

So you dont know the 12.5 reasoning. Of course tje amount of tickets in each bracket should be considered and day and time will influence price as well as the actual stadia usedf or each match. Seems to be more complicated than you re making out.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Sin é wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Was the most expensive seats? Least expensive? Average of all? Are the same stadiums being used for each related game? Are the games at the same time of the same day of the week?

What I did was totalled all the different categories given for each match, i.e.  250+175+125+15+50+15=640.

Sunday, October 11 - Ireland v France, Millennium Stadium, kick-off 5pm (Ticket Prices: Category A £250, Category B £175, Category C £125/Child (£15), Category D £50/Child (£15)).


Most the games are in the bigger stadia (Twickers, Olympic, Wembly, Millenium) with one game in Stadium MK (France v Canada).

It doesn't really matter about the day or time tbh. The date/day is not going to stop you if you want to go to the game.

So you dont know the 12.5 reasoning. Of course tje amount of tickets in each bracket should be considered and day and time will influence price as well as the actual stadia usedf or each match. Seems to be more complicated than you re making out.

Look, they are ripping off Ireland fans by charging 1 euro more than French fans. The amount is irrelevant.

Charging different prices for different products. Scandal.

Scottrf wrote:Charging different prices for different products. Scandal.

They are not charging prices for different products - they are charging different prices for different teams which is what I object to.

Sin é wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Charging different prices for different products. Scandal.

They are not charging prices for different products - they are charging different prices for different teams which is what I object to.

Are Uruguayan fans ripped off relative to Georgian fans? Is any price differentiation based on a team's strength and/or popularity not allowed in your world?

wolfball wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Charging different prices for different products. Scandal.

They are not charging prices for different products - they are charging different prices for different teams which is what I object to.

Are Uruguayan fans ripped off relative to Georgian fans? Is any price differentiation based on a team's strength and/or popularity not allowed in your world?

They could be.

I'm just comparing two 6Ns countries in the same group who have professional leagues. Its really surprising considering the population of France v Ireland. You would just think that France with its larger population, huge tv deal etc. would be charging more than little old Ireland who apparently are lucky to be supported by the big nations of France & England.

Sin é wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Sin é wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Was the most expensive seats? Least expensive? Average of all? Are the same stadiums being used for each related game? Are the games at the same time of the same day of the week?

What I did was totalled all the different categories given for each match, i.e.  250+175+125+15+50+15=640.

Sunday, October 11 - Ireland v France, Millennium Stadium, kick-off 5pm (Ticket Prices: Category A £250, Category B £175, Category C £125/Child (£15), Category D £50/Child (£15)).


Most the games are in the bigger stadia (Twickers, Olympic, Wembly, Millenium) with one game in Stadium MK (France v Canada).

It doesn't really matter about the day or time tbh. The date/day is not going to stop you if you want to go to the game.

So you dont know the 12.5 reasoning. Of course tje amount of tickets in each bracket should be considered and day and time will influence price as well as the actual stadia usedf or each match. Seems to be more complicated than you re making out.

Look, they are ripping off Ireland fans by charging 1 euro more than French fans. The amount is irrelevant.

Whats not relevant about those points? How many tickets of each price are available for each game? Should be easy for you as a starter.

Why don't you come up with a mathematical answer as to how Ireland fans are not being ripped off by the RFU in comparison to French fans.

Here is the pricing.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f18/16/53/77/41/rugbyw10.jpg

OK I was happy to let the Cardiff is disgusting and Dublin is amazing argument go, but tryint to claim the Liffy is clean...

'Aside from severe water pollution, the Liffey has the most elevated e-coli and fecal coliform levels in the country, with levels higher than the Environmental Protection Agency standard levels.'

A DCU study found...
'It found that faecal coliforms in the River Liffey were generally in the range 2000 - 6000 CFU/100 mL, with "disturbingly excessive" levels recorded (24000 CFU/100 mL) at the Parliament Bridge sampling location.'

Not to mention official warnings for people to not swim in Dublins waterways...

'Swimmers warned of flesh-eating bug in Dublin's Grand Canal'

And...

'Liffey swim ban after Weil's disease discovered'

The Liffey is renowned for it's shopping trolleys, polution levels and garbage that constantly floats down it, I did it once years ago, before I knew Dublin well, and will never make the same mistake again!

Sin é wrote:

wolfball wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Charging different prices for different products. Scandal.

They are not charging prices for different products - they are charging different prices for different teams which is what I object to.

Are Uruguayan fans ripped off relative to Georgian fans? Is any price differentiation based on a team's strength and/or popularity not allowed in your world?

They could be.

I'm just comparing two 6Ns countries in the same group who have professional leagues. Its really surprising considering the population of France v Ireland. You would just think that France with its larger population, huge tv deal etc. would be charging more than little old Ireland who apparently are lucky to be supported by the big nations of France & England.

Maybe the potential 80 million Irish Americans are being considered?

Fanster wrote:OK I was happy to let the Cardiff is disgusting and Dublin is amazing argument go, but tryint to claim the Liffy is clean...

'Aside from severe water pollution, the Liffey has the most elevated e-coli and fecal coliform levels in the country, with levels higher than the Environmental Protection Agency standard levels.'

A DCU study found...
'It found that faecal coliforms in the River Liffey were generally in the range 2000 - 6000 CFU/100 mL, with "disturbingly excessive" levels recorded (24000 CFU/100 mL) at the Parliament Bridge sampling location.'

Not to mention official warnings for people to not swim in Dublins waterways...

'Swimmers warned of flesh-eating bug in Dublin's Grand Canal'

And...

'Liffey swim ban after Weil's disease discovered'

The Liffey is renowned for it's shopping trolleys, polution levels and garbage that constantly floats down it, I did it once years ago, before I knew Dublin well, and will never make the same mistake again!

Exactly what my Dublin born Mrs said. He is delusional. And I didnt once state the Taff is clean - it was you trying to claim the Liffey is just naturally cloudy through peat

Fanster wrote:OK I was happy to let the Cardiff is disgusting and Dublin is amazing argument go, but tryint to claim the Liffy is clean...

'Aside from severe water pollution, the Liffey has the most elevated e-coli and fecal coliform levels in the country, with levels higher than the Environmental Protection Agency standard levels.'

A DCU study found...
'It found that faecal coliforms in the River Liffey were generally in the range 2000 - 6000 CFU/100 mL, with "disturbingly excessive" levels recorded (24000 CFU/100 mL) at the Parliament Bridge sampling location.'

Not to mention official warnings for people to not swim in Dublins waterways...

'Swimmers warned of flesh-eating bug in Dublin's Grand Canal'

And...

'Liffey swim ban after Weil's disease discovered'

The Liffey is renowned for it's shopping trolleys, polution levels and garbage that constantly floats down it, I did it once years ago, before I knew Dublin well, and will never make the same mistake again!

The original complaint about the Liffey was that Munkian couldn't go for a swim in it. He said it was foul smelling (which isn't true). Its also true that the reason the water is so dark is because of the terrain it runs through.

I have never claimed that its fit for swimming - I only pointed out that there is a Liffey Swim every year so it can't be as bad as he tries to claim.

I've yet to hear whether the River Taff is safe to swim in in the centre of Cardiff ...

Sin é wrote:Why don't you come up with a mathematical answer as to how Ireland fans are not being ripped off by the RFU in comparison to French fans.

Here is the pricing.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f18/16/53/77/41/rugbyw10.jpg

Seems to be fine.

munkian wrote:

Fanster wrote:OK I was happy to let the Cardiff is disgusting and Dublin is amazing argument go, but tryint to claim the Liffy is clean...

'Aside from severe water pollution, the Liffey has the most elevated e-coli and fecal coliform levels in the country, with levels higher than the Environmental Protection Agency standard levels.'

A DCU study found...
'It found that faecal coliforms in the River Liffey were generally in the range 2000 - 6000 CFU/100 mL, with "disturbingly excessive" levels recorded (24000 CFU/100 mL) at the Parliament Bridge sampling location.'

Not to mention official warnings for people to not swim in Dublins waterways...

'Swimmers warned of flesh-eating bug in Dublin's Grand Canal'

And...

'Liffey swim ban after Weil's disease discovered'

The Liffey is renowned for it's shopping trolleys, polution levels and garbage that constantly floats down it, I did it once years ago, before I knew Dublin well, and will never make the same mistake again!

Exactly what my Dublin born Mrs said. He is delusional. And I didnt once state the Taff is clean - it was you trying to claim the Liffey is just naturally cloudy through peat

Dubh Linn (black pool).

Have you jumped into any other rivers in the centre of large cities or is that just in Dublin? Pretty daft way to actually judge a city. I'd advise you to stay well away from Venice, particularly around September

By the way, you have to pay for shopping trolleys now so its highly unlikely that you will see too many of them floating about.

Sin é wrote:

Fanster wrote:OK I was happy to let the Cardiff is disgusting and Dublin is amazing argument go, but tryint to claim the Liffy is clean...

'Aside from severe water pollution, the Liffey has the most elevated e-coli and fecal coliform levels in the country, with levels higher than the Environmental Protection Agency standard levels.'

A DCU study found...
'It found that faecal coliforms in the River Liffey were generally in the range 2000 - 6000 CFU/100 mL, with "disturbingly excessive" levels recorded (24000 CFU/100 mL) at the Parliament Bridge sampling location.'

Not to mention official warnings for people to not swim in Dublins waterways...

'Swimmers warned of flesh-eating bug in Dublin's Grand Canal'

And...

'Liffey swim ban after Weil's disease discovered'

The Liffey is renowned for it's shopping trolleys, polution levels and garbage that constantly floats down it, I did it once years ago, before I knew Dublin well, and will never make the same mistake again!

The original complaint about the Liffey was that Munkian couldn't go for a swim in it. He said it was foul smelling (which isn't true). Its also true that the reason the water is so dark is because of the terrain it runs through.

I have never claimed that its fit for swimming - I only pointed out that there is a Liffey Swim every year so it can't be as bad as he tries to claim.

I've yet to hear whether the River Taff is safe to swim in in the centre of Cardiff ...

I think I was the first to bring up the dirty Liffey, referencing jumping in it years ago, and not wanting to now.

In your beloved defence of Dublin, despite noone attacking it, and only you attacking Cardiff, you have to concede in the hot weather, there is a smell!!! Maybe not quite of the pong of Venice, but there is a whiff!!!

It's a constant issue in Dublin, thats had money thrown at it to no avail, I mean the wall cleaning for god's sake, whos brainchild was that haha

The point was I think you've either had a bad experience in Cardiff and are fearfull of it, or you've never truly been, and discovered what a great little city it is!

Generally I rate cities on the big reasons to go there, and well if you want to go to watch rugby in Cardiff, then your lucky to visit one of the greatest rugby cities on the planet, if your not into art, history, culture, live music, resteraunts, or city centres not built around an American influx to see their ancestry sponsored by guinness/jaimesons, then maybe Cardiff is a bit understated for you. You could catch the water ferry to the bay for a bit of fun on the artificial beach, or do a bit of white water rafting, or surfing, maybe Kayak up the Taff to a quieter spot, or hike/ride the taff trail into nature to see a castle on award winning cycle paths.

'm sorry you've not enjoyed Cardiff previously, maybe drop me a line next time your over and I can help show you how nice the UK's 10th largest little city is

Sin é wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Was the most expensive seats? Least expensive? Average of all? Are the same stadiums being used for each related game? Are the games at the same time of the same day of the week?

What I did was totalled all the different categories given for each match, i.e.  250+175+125+15+50+15=640.

Sunday, October 11 - Ireland v France, Millennium Stadium, kick-off 5pm (Ticket Prices: Category A £250, Category B £175, Category C £125/Child (£15), Category D £50/Child (£15)).


Most the games are in the bigger stadia (Twickers, Olympic, Wembly, Millenium) with one game in Stadium MK (France v Canada).

It doesn't really matter about the day or time tbh. The date/day is not going to stop you if you want to go to the game.

But your initial argument was based on cat A tickets alone, you've now changed that to suit your argument? Is it because there's only a £40 difference if buying all Cat A tickets?

Ireland v
Canada 175
Romania 175
Italy 175
France 250
Total £775

France v
Canada 150
Romania 85
Italy 250
Ireland 250
Total £745

In summary then:

Ireland = smelly Liffey = higher price tickets

France=beautiful everything=lower price tickets

QED.

Fanster wrote:

I think I was the first to bring up the dirty Liffey, referencing jumping in it years ago, and not wanting to now.

In your beloved defence of Dublin, despite noone attacking it, and only you attacking Cardiff, you have to concede in the hot weather, there is a smell!!! Maybe not quite of the pong of Venice, but there is a whiff!!!

For the record, I'm not from Dublin and I don't particularly like the city centre and my 'beloved defence' was in response to the attack on Dublin which I've commented on several times that Dublin (a European capital) is not a suitable comparison to Cardiff as one is a big city and the other is really a big town which should be compared to Belfast and Edinburgh.

It's a constant issue in Dublin, thats had money thrown at it to no avail, I mean the wall cleaning for god's sake, whos brainchild was that haha

Why wouldn't the walls of the Liffey be cleaned? They are no different (granite) than most of the great buildings in the city that also get cleaned every couple of years. This may come as a bit of a surprise to you, but most cities have cleaning departments that regularly clean the streets and buildings etc.

The point was I think you've either had a bad experience in Cardiff and are fearful of it, or you've never truly been, and discovered what a great little city it is!

I'd go back to Cardiff for a game because the Millenium Stadium is a fine stadium, but for a 6ns weekend, it would be my least favourite destination. The last time I was in Cardiff was for the Heineken Cup final in 2008 (when I just flew in on the morning of the game and flew home that night). Cardiff is just as much as a rip off as ever other city on match day. What amused me greatly though was how poorly organised the bars are to deal with a crowd and how small Cardiff airport is. Lots of fairly loose looking women hanging around as well.

Our flight was due to leave at about 10.30 that night, but we ended up being held waiting in some school a couple of miles from the airport, eventually getting to fly out at about 3am in the morning.

Generally I rate cities on the big reasons to go there, and well if you want to go to watch rugby in Cardiff, then your lucky to visit one of the greatest rugby cities on the planet, if your not into art, history, culture, live music, resteraunts, or city centres not built around an American influx to see their ancestry sponsored by guinness/jaimesons, then maybe Cardiff is a bit understated for you. You could catch the water ferry to the bay for a bit of fun on the artificial beach, or do a bit of white water rafting, or surfing, maybe Kayak up the Taff to a quieter spot, or hike/ride the taff trail into nature to see a castle on award winning cycle paths.

That comment is just so ignorant.

The reason why the Guiness Stonehouse is so popular is because of the 360 degree view of the city. Why in the name of god would anyone want to spend €18 on a pint of guiness that can be got for €5 down the street.

Secondly, the best customers for the bars and pubs of Dublin come from Britain. American really are not into the pub scene much and I bet you will find most have other reasons for visiting Dublin (such as Trinity College/Book of Kells, Christchurch Cathedral, The Botanic Gardens, St Patrick's Cathedral, Collins Barracks, Natural History Museum, The Science Gallery of Ireland, Dublin Castle, Malahide Castle and maybe even a day trip to Glendalough (site of 6th Century monastery), or even Newgrange (5,000 years old - 1000 years older than Stonehenge and 600 years older than the Pyriamids).

I really don't get this snotty attitude to Americans. If your attitude is typical of Welsh people, no wonder they give the place a wide berth.

Hoonercat wrote:

Sin é wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Was the most expensive seats? Least expensive? Average of all? Are the same stadiums being used for each related game? Are the games at the same time of the same day of the week?

What I did was totalled all the different categories given for each match, i.e.  250+175+125+15+50+15=640.

Sunday, October 11 - Ireland v France, Millennium Stadium, kick-off 5pm (Ticket Prices: Category A £250, Category B £175, Category C £125/Child (£15), Category D £50/Child (£15)).


Most the games are in the bigger stadia (Twickers, Olympic, Wembly, Millenium) with one game in Stadium MK (France v Canada).

It doesn't really matter about the day or time tbh. The date/day is not going to stop you if you want to go to the game.

But your initial argument was based on cat A tickets alone, you've now changed that to suit your argument? Is it because there's only a £40 difference if buying all Cat A tickets?

Ireland v
Canada 175
Romania 175
Italy 175
France 250
Total £775

France v
Canada 150
Romania 85
Italy 250
Ireland 250
Total £745

My opening post will give you my original thoughts.

It seems the Top 14 will be playing games on a Sunday (and they will be broadcast). That is more than likely the reason France are playing midweek games - they opted for them.

It will be interesting to see how the Ireland v Canada game goes bearing in mind that its the All Ireland Football Final the following day and then there is the Andy Lee World Title Fight the night before in Thomond Park.

Mate your looking extremely city now, Edinburgh is essentially the same size population and city wise as Dublin, with what, 100'000 people between them?

Cadiff and Belfast are around 75% the size of Dublin, which would barely crack the top 10 in the UK city size stakes, would you rate london as far superior to Dublin because it's 14 times the size?

There was absolutely no attack on Dublin, you called Cardiff a 'dump' people laughed at you, then made comparisons with Dublin, and you decided Dublin could do no wrong!

Do most governments spend 9 million on cleaning river walls? Do most governments get humiliated when the cleaning proves useless mere weeks later? The wall cleaning in Dublin of the Liffey walls made them a laughing stock and was massively contraversial!

I knew you had a bad experience and have never truly visited Cardiff, the bars are unorganised? 500'000 people decend on a city centre and you expect 25 bars to cope?

And Cardiff expense is similar to Dublin? What planet are you on? £2 a pint from outer city centre boozers is regular, unless you go to Wetherspoons then £1.75 can be sourced easy! £3.50 a pint in the city centre is extortionate, but compared to the 10 euro plus in Dublin virtually everywhere it isn't that bad!

By the way, where in Dublin can you find a pint for a fiver? I just got back from 2 weeks in Raheny, and Ballymun, and all locals were 6 euros plus!! Luckily I saved a fortune on diesel at 1.20 a litre great exchange rate right now!

PS anyone who flys out the same night as the match is missing an incredible opportunity to you know, atually see the city they visit! Most people visit 6N cities for the weekend and find them all very nice!

Theres no snotty attitude toward Americans, but if you tailor your centre to what they want it develops the centre, which has changed heavily over the last few years to accomodate the british stag and hen do trade and American visitors! I'd bet there are more plastic hats and tat stalls and shops in Dublin than any other major city in the world! I was dissapointed to drop my sister in law into the conference centre at 8.30 on a Sunday morning to be asked if I wanted to buy a selfie stick from an eastern european guy...