World Cup Rugby Rip off Ireland fans

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Just heard a piece on radio about how Ireland game world cup tickets cost 12.5% more than what the French games (in the same pool as Ireland) cost.

Why are Ireland fans penalised like this? We have to take out two tv subscriptions to watch European rugby, now we have to pay more for tickets to games in the UK.

And then some claim that Ireland is favoured because World Rugby is based in Ireland.

Gents,
Is this what we are down to? Comparing Cardiff and Dublin? Really?
Both cities are OK and have their good and not so good parts. Like every other city.

Dublin is obviously more of a global tourist city than Cardiff; on weekend days in the summer it can sound as if I haven't left New Jersey. But I would think downtown Cardiff is best on Rugby days. But to beat each other up over smelly rivers????????

I do agree the Irish are being charged more for some of their seats. It is not a case of bias, rather it is simply HMs Government bringing in as much moderate value Euro to the country before the currency goes bust and France, Ireland, et al adopt the Drachma. God bless Her Majesty's government.

Fanster wrote:Mate your looking extremely city now, Edinburgh is essentially the same size population and city wise as Dublin, with what, 100'000 people between them?

Cadiff and Belfast are around 75% the size of Dublin, which would barely crack the top 10 in the UK city size stakes, would you rate London as far superior to Dublin because it's 14 times the size?[/quote]

I was comparing them as regional capitals of their respective countries - Wales, Scotland & NI not on population.

As a European capital city, Dublin should be compared to London, Paris, Berlin (and I would imagine these places would be rated more attractive as tourism destinations than Dublin).

There was absolutely no attack on Dublin, you called Cardiff a 'dump' people laughed at you, then made comparisons with Dublin, and you decided Dublin could do no wrong!

I couldn't be arsed one way or the other about your attack on Dublin. Fact is you didn't know why the Liffey has dark water and came up with this crazy noting that Dublin is a disgrace because it has suddenly dawned on you that jumping into it to cool off might not be the brightest idea.

I'd put Cardiff in the same category as many industrial cities and towns in the north of England (which I would go to watch a football match).

Do most governments spend 9 million on cleaning river walls? Do most governments get humiliated when the cleaning proves useless mere weeks later? The wall cleaning in Dublin of the Liffey walls made them a laughing stock and was massively contraversial!

I knew you had a bad experience and have never truly visited Cardiff, the bars are unorganised? 500'000 people decend on a city centre and you expect 25 bars to cope?

I'm not sure what your problem is. Dublin City Council is investing money on trying to make the place look good and you have a problem with it?

It wasn't 500,000 The bar staff were clueless. Go to a game in any city or town in Ireland and the bars will cope by a) being organised (like having pints pulled ready to sell when punters come in) and b) having people just pulling pints and other people serving.

And Cardiff expense is similar to Dublin? What planet are you on? £2 a pint from outer city centre boozers is regular, unless you go to Wetherspoons then £1.75 can be sourced easy! £3.50 a pint in the city centre is extortionate, but compared to the 10 euro plus in Dublin virtually everywhere it isn't that bad!

Dublin is a capital city - of course you are going to get ripped off.

By the way, where in Dublin can you find a pint for a fiver? I just got back from 2 weeks in Raheny, and Ballymun, and all locals were 6 euros plus!! Luckily I saved a fortune on diesel at 1.20 a litre  great exchange rate right now!

OK, then. If I want to go for a cheap boozy weekend, I'll head to Cardiff. Hopefully I'll get served.

PS anyone who flys out the same night as the match is missing an incredible opportunity to you know, atually see the city they visit! Most people visit 6N cities for the weekend and find them all very nice!

I was in Cardiff for a couple of hours after the game. I saw enough to know I was happy enough to leave it. (For the record, I can't stand Temple Bar either).

Theres no snotty attitude toward Americans, but if you tailor your centre to what they want it develops the centre, which has changed heavily over the last few years to accomodate the british stag and hen do trade and American visitors! I'd bet there are more plastic hats and tat stalls and shops in Dublin than any other major city in the world! I was dissapointed to drop my sister in law into the conference centre at 8.30 on a Sunday morning to be asked if I wanted to buy a selfie stick from an eastern european guy...

British Hen and Stag dos were banned in 1999. Unfortuantely it is difficult to keep them out. Luckily they confine themselves to Temple Bar.

Amercians don't drink. They are notorious for looking for large jugs of iced water. Your average American visitor to Ireland comes on a week or 10 day bus tour and the most time they would spend in Dublin is a night or two.

What is your problem with Eastern European people selling selfie sticks?

Edinburgh is very much a capitol city, and as attractive as Dublin in any way!

You can't compare to Dublin, Edinburgh or Cardiff to London, which is 7 times bigger than the 3 of them put together! Paris, Rome, Barcelona, Berlin are more than 4 times the size than Dublin, which is a large city in a small country, similarly to Edinburgh!

Despite there not being an attack on Dublin, you are clearly offended by the non existent attack on Dublin, the Liffey is poluted and dirty fact! The city centre is a tourist hotspot fact! and it is an extremely expensive place to visit fact! Despite this we all agree we like Dublin, why are you being so feminist in your offended nature, noone is trying to r*** you!

Of course Dublin centre deals with international rugby better than most, walk 500m from the stadium and you wouldn't know there was an international game on! The Aviva is far smaller, and the sport less popular and less engrained with the national identity than it is in Wales, Ireland is larger than Wales making travel to international games harder, the infrastructure is less in Ireland, trains, motorways etc make it more difficult to get to places.

Most Dubliners try not to go to the city centre, due to the tourist trade making it easier to do your business locally, which I find charming, but isn't necesarily what happens in Cardiff!

My problem with Eastern European people selling selfie sticks at 8.30 on a sunday morning, is that it highlights Dublins city centre atmosphere, and that is one very much not for locals but for a 24/7 tourist trade! I've visited just about every tourist hot spot in europe and these people are getting to a point where they ruin it!! The leaning tower of pisa, and the collisium are a buzz with police 24/7 based on them!

Fanster wrote:My problem with Eastern European people selling selfie sticks at 8.30 on a sunday morning, is that it highlights Dublins city centre atmosphere, and that is one very much not for locals but for a 24/7 tourist trade! I've visited just about every tourist hot spot in europe and these people are getting to a point where they ruin it!! The leaning tower of pisa, and the collisium are a buzz with police 24/7 based on them!

You don't like the blessings bestowed by the EU? Could be worse: wait for the gentry waiting in Calais to filter through the safety net and get to the city centres.

doctor_grey wrote:

Fanster wrote:My problem with Eastern European people selling selfie sticks at 8.30 on a sunday morning, is that it highlights Dublins city centre atmosphere, and that is one very much not for locals but for a 24/7 tourist trade! I've visited just about every tourist hot spot in europe and these people are getting to a point where they ruin it!! The leaning tower of pisa, and the collisium are a buzz with police 24/7 based on them!

You don't like the blessings bestowed by the EU?   Could be worse:  wait for the gentry waiting in Calais to filter through the safety net and get to the city centres.

Theres a big difference between the migration of people trying to get to a better life, and the gangs who target tourist hotspots, go and check out Rome train station in the centre after midnight, its a foul place to be with the cardboard city set up there!

If thats what Dublin wants, then i'm sorry for them.

Fanster wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

Fanster wrote:My problem with Eastern European people selling selfie sticks at 8.30 on a sunday morning, is that it highlights Dublins city centre atmosphere, and that is one very much not for locals but for a 24/7 tourist trade! I've visited just about every tourist hot spot in europe and these people are getting to a point where they ruin it!! The leaning tower of pisa, and the collisium are a buzz with police 24/7 based on them!

You don't like the blessings bestowed by the EU?   Could be worse:  wait for the gentry waiting in Calais to filter through the safety net and get to the city centres.

Theres a big difference between the migration of people trying to get to a better life, and the gangs who target tourist hotspots, go and check out Rome train station in the centre after midnight, its a foul place to be with the cardboard city set up there!

If thats what Dublin wants, then i'm sorry for them.

But who do you think are coming across the continent? Some people willing and wanting to work, of course. But a lot else. Coming from areas their bretheren are turning to merde to Rome to Paris to Calais to......
This is the unfortunate reality.

doctor_grey wrote:

Fanster wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

Fanster wrote:My problem with Eastern European people selling selfie sticks at 8.30 on a sunday morning, is that it highlights Dublins city centre atmosphere, and that is one very much not for locals but for a 24/7 tourist trade! I've visited just about every tourist hot spot in europe and these people are getting to a point where they ruin it!! The leaning tower of pisa, and the collisium are a buzz with police 24/7 based on them!

You don't like the blessings bestowed by the EU?   Could be worse:  wait for the gentry waiting in Calais to filter through the safety net and get to the city centres.

Theres a big difference between the migration of people trying to get to a better life, and the gangs who target tourist hotspots, go and check out Rome train station in the centre after midnight, its a foul place to be with the cardboard city set up there!

If thats what Dublin wants, then i'm sorry for them.

But who do you think are coming across the continent?  Some people willing and wanting to work, of course.  But a lot else. Coming from areas their bretheren are turning to merde to Rome to Paris to Calais to......
This is the unfortunate reality.    

That may be a discussion for a different thread...

Fanster wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

Fanster wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

Fanster wrote:My problem with Eastern European people selling selfie sticks at 8.30 on a sunday morning, is that it highlights Dublins city centre atmosphere, and that is one very much not for locals but for a 24/7 tourist trade! I've visited just about every tourist hot spot in europe and these people are getting to a point where they ruin it!! The leaning tower of pisa, and the collisium are a buzz with police 24/7 based on them!

You don't like the blessings bestowed by the EU?   Could be worse:  wait for the gentry waiting in Calais to filter through the safety net and get to the city centres.

Theres a big difference between the migration of people trying to get to a better life, and the gangs who target tourist hotspots, go and check out Rome train station in the centre after midnight, its a foul place to be with the cardboard city set up there!

If thats what Dublin wants, then i'm sorry for them.

But who do you think are coming across the continent?  Some people willing and wanting to work, of course.  But a lot else. Coming from areas their bretheren are turning to merde to Rome to Paris to Calais to......
This is the unfortunate reality.    

That may be a discussion for a different thread...

Clearly so. I just wondered where it would all go. I wrote my eloquent prose (the stuff at the top of this page is more entertaining) in full knowledge this was miles off topic from whether the Irish fans are being ripped off. This discussion about dirty rivers was amusing, about Weil's Disease which is severe leptospirosis was a chuckle, about the Americans in Dublin not drinking enough more so, and about cultural opportunities in Cardiff of Dublin was a blast. When the worm turned to 'Eastern Europeans in the city centres' (you know how - they - are), I figured wtf? In for a tuppence in for a pound.
Have a bit of a laugh. Learn something about the people we post with.

Frankly. one could innocently read this thread and wonder if the dirty rivers of Dublin and Cardiff, combined with the cost of beer, the number of Americans, dirty walls being cleaned and art museums is the reason why Ireland matches cost a little more than other matches.
Or it simply might be higher demand driving the higher prices which fill the World Rugby coffers. I think the Ireland fans will have to live with their team being more popular than the evil French and simply say "Forgive me for being beautiful". 'Tis all it's about.

Ye...

Not sure if thats true or your backtracking on some really ropy comments, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

How many threads in your opinion have stayed on track throughout and served as a thoughtfull, and progressive read?

Maybe the economic and political factors of Irelands government and public could serve as a reason for the games being higher priced? Maybe not.

This discussion was, however certainly not the worst there has been on this website, far from it infact!

Patronising people and trying to bait folk with borderline racist remarks however is far worse than WUMing IMO, if thats what you were doing you've tried to bait people into actual trouble, I suggest thats a dangerous game to play, especially when you lead with comments yourself then have to explain yourself at a later date.

Fanster wrote:Ye...

Not sure if thats true or your backtracking on some really ropy comments, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

How many threads in your opinion have stayed on track throughout and served as a thoughtfull, and progressive read?

Maybe the economic and political factors of Irelands government and public could serve as a reason for the games being higher priced? Maybe not.

This discussion was, however certainly not the worst there has been on this website, far from it infact!

Patronising people and trying to bait folk with borderline racist remarks however is far worse than WUMing IMO, if thats what you were doing you've tried to bait people into actual trouble, I suggest thats a dangerous game to play, especially when you lead with comments yourself then have to explain yourself at a later date.

Laddie,
I get the gist of what I write, and clearly so what others write. Others introduced dirty rivers and Americans and 'Eastern Europeans' and other borderline comments. I jumped on with a few sentences mostly to show my thoughts it was a silly, possibly leaning towards the dangerous, discussion. Sorry if you read me a different way. I don't think anyone else here does. If you noticed my eloquent prose ended with 'forgive me for being beautiful', because that's what I think the Irish fans are regarded..............

Personal space, dude.
I'm English we don't do PDA without alcohol.

Fanster wrote:Edinburgh is very much a capitol city, and as attractive as Dublin in any way!

Its not a capital city. It is a very attractive city though.

You can't compare to Dublin, Edinburgh or Cardiff to London, which is 7 times bigger than the 3 of them put together! Paris, Rome, Barcelona, Berlin are more than 4 times the size than Dublin, which is a large city in a small country, similarly to Edinburgh!

Check this out for the characterisation of Global cities and the list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city

You will see where Edinburg & Cardiff are ranked.

Despite there not being an attack on Dublin, you are clearly offended by the non existent attack on Dublin, the Liffey is poluted and dirty fact! The city centre is a tourist hotspot fact! and it is an extremely expensive place to visit fact! Despite this we all agree we like Dublin, why are you being so feminist in your offended nature, noone is trying to r*** you!

To defend Cardiff, you launched an attack on Dublin because what I said about Cardiff is true. Other than the Millenium stadium, as far as I'm concerned, it hasn't a whole lot going for it. The social scene after a game in the centre of Cardiff is similar to what Temple Bar is like on a weekend night and I wouldn't want to hang around there either.

Of course Dublin centre deals with international rugby better than most, walk 500m from the stadium and you wouldn't know there was an international game on! The Aviva is far smaller, and the sport less popular and less engrained with the national identity than it is in Wales, Ireland is larger than Wales making travel to international games harder, the infrastructure is less in Ireland, trains, motorways etc make it more difficult to get to places.

The Aviva is now in the city centre. Ballsbridge (where the Aviva is) is 4.7km from the city centre.
Despite all the difficulty with travel, all rugby games are very well supported and generally sold out.
If rugby was ingrained in the national identity of Wales, you'd think you would get a few more turning up at Pro12 games.

Most Dubliners try not to go to the city centre, due to the tourist trade making it easier to do your business locally, which I find charming, but isn't necesarily what happens in Cardiff!

Henry Street and the area around there always looks very busy to me when I go in there. I'd mostly stick to the South Side of Dublin though since that is where I live. Have you been up the Grafton Street, St Stephen's Green end of Dublin. That is a pretty nice part of Dublin.

My problem with Eastern European people selling selfie sticks at 8.30 on a sunday morning, is that it highlights Dublins city centre atmosphere, and that is one very much not for locals but for a 24/7 tourist trade! I've visited just about every tourist hot spot in europe and these people are getting to a point where they ruin it!! The leaning tower of pisa, and the collisium are a buzz with police 24/7 based on them!

I really don't see what the problem is here. I don't regard an Eastern European selling selfie sticks at 8.30 on a Sunday morning as an issue. I'd prefer he would do that than do nothing but claim benefit.

Have you ever ventured south of the Liffey. Its a whole different world to the north side.

Mate i'll concede every part of your argument if you find 1 attack on Dublin from myself, that comes anywhere close to calling it a 'Dump'.

My point is that Dublin is nowhere near a perfect city, your getting a bit snobby because I have Northside links, and obviously from the Southside you look down on the northside, but I've lived in Ballsbridge, Clontarf, Raheney and Swords!

For the 50th time I love Dublin, but it's pretty flawed as are most cities, similarly I love Cardiff, which is the best city in europe for an international rugby match, and has a lot of things going for it!

I think your embarrassed about your attack on Cardiff, and have attempted to play the victim in an argument you've clearly made up!

Fanster wrote:Despite this we all agree we like Dublin, why are you being so feminist in your offended nature, noone is trying to r*** you!

Is there really a need for comments like this?

He posted similar on the Welsh World Cup thread too. Shocking

I've never been to the Millennium Stadium, and was looking forward to seeing Ireland v Canada. I can't believe the prices being quoted for flights and accommodation - we've decided to cancel the whole thing so it's not just the ticket prices that are exorbitant.

Can't see our tickets being sold so that'll be four more empty seats on September 19th.

Surely you were expecting significant price hikes on travel and accommodation that you always get when big events are on?

Significant yes - exorbitant no.

Aye, it becomes crazy money. Providers will ask what they think they can get away with. The usual supply and demand scenario. They rely on the fact that sports fans generally shell out, especially when an event like this won't be this close by for at least 8 years (and probably a lot, lot longer).

I agree Cyril - huge demand will drive up prices. It will be interesting to see if there are indeed empty seats in Cardiff (not that I know if it's sold out or not.) Would think many of the locals with Irish ancestory would snap up GAs spares..

Also, for what it's worth, I think Cardiff is a cracking city and I thought Dublin was OK too (no nasty whiffs around the river ) when I last visited (in 1997) - probably come on a bit since then I imagine? Sine E's Wikepedia page was interesting too in that I'd expect Brum and Manchester to be on a par.. Different forum perhaps.

The Great Aukster wrote:I've never been to the Millennium Stadium, and was looking forward to seeing Ireland v Canada. I can't believe the prices being quoted for flights and accommodation - we've decided to cancel the whole thing so it's not just the ticket prices that are exorbitant.

Can't see our tickets being sold so that'll be four more empty seats on September 19th.

I was going to take my mrs to see Ireland v Wales a few years back - All the airlines had at least doubled their prices as had the hotels and B&Bs

in Dublin.

Also, how are Edinburgh/Cardiff NOT Capital cities ?

Cardiff was given Capital City status in the 50s ?

munkian wrote:Also, how are Edinburgh/Cardiff NOT Capital cities ?

Cardiff was given Capital City status in the 50s ?

Let's let that argument die, Sin hates Cardiff, lets leave it at that!

It's permissible not to love Cardiff, and not loving Cardiff isn't the same as hating it.

This thread took the usual tangential nose-dive I see.
Here's my take on the cities in question.

Edinburgh - Love the place, a sunday morning whisky hangover is always settled with a wander up to Arthur's seat. I have always felt some strange connection with the place and always made to feel very much at home. Then again my name being Scott it's no wonder. Prices are very reasonable.

Cardiff - Only been here twice but very much enjoyed both visits. Rugby weekends are expectedly packed out and finding bars packed to bursting isn't for everyone but I enjoyed both visits.

Dublin - It never feels like I'm making an away trip when I visit Dublin as it's only an hour and a half down the road and it always feels like home. It's never a cheap day out but that's more down to the Guinness guzzling than prices for me.

They are all great places to visit if you know what you're going for and expecting so lets not get into the my city's better than your's arguement