QF1: South Africa v Wales, 17 October

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SOUTH AFRICA v WALES

17 October 2015
16:00 BST (UTC+01)
Twickenham, London

Live on expensive telly

Ref: Wayne Barnes (England)
ARs: George Clancy (Ireland) and JP Doyle (England)
TMO: Graham Hughes (England)

A. Head to Head

30 Played 30
27 Won 2
1 Drawn 1
2 Lost 27
814 Points 440

B. Recent Form

29 November 2014
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
12–6 to Wales

21 June 2014
Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit
31–30 to South Africa

14 June 2014
Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban
38–16 to South Africa

9 November 2013
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
15–24 to South Africa

11 September 2011
Wellington Regional Stadium, Wellington
17–16 to South Africa

13 November 2010
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
25–29 to South Africa

5 June 2010
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
31–34 to South Africa

8 November 2008
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
15–20 to South Africa

C. TEAMS:
SOUTH AFRICA

Le Roux; Pietersen, Kriel, De Allende, Habana; Pollard, Du Preez (capt); Mtawarira, B du Plessis, Malherbe; De Jager, Etzebeth; Burger, Louw, Vermeulen.

Replacements: Strauss for Du Plessis (55), Nyakane for Tendai Mtawarira (56), J Du Plessis for Malherbe (60), Du Toit for Etzebeth (67), Alberts for Louw (67), Lambie for Pollard (76), Serfontein for Kriel (67), Pienaar (unused).


WALES

Anscombe; Cuthbert, Morgan, Roberts, North; Biggar, G Davies; Jenkins, Baldwin, Lee; Charteris, AW Jones; Lydiate, Warburton (capt), Faletau.

Replacements: Owens for Baldwin (56), James for Jenkins (55), Francis for Lee (55), Davies for Charteris (63), Tipuric for Lydiate (67), L Williams for G Davies (70), Priestland for Biggar (73), Hook for Morgan (67).

gregortree wrote:Wayne Barnes....the ready made 'the English ref' excuse for later on.

Not at all!!!

I hope I speak for a lot of Welsh fans when I say he's been great this tournament, and noone will be whinging about Barnes at the end of the game!!!

Even Biltong says he is happy with Barnes.
So was it the ABs bitching last time ?

Good luck to the Welsh supporters, may the best team win.

Not too much good luck though

gregortree wrote:Even Biltong says he is happy with Barnes.
So was it the ABs bitching last time ?

Yeah, I have never had an issue with him, he is calm and reasoned, better than trigger happy guys like Poite, Garces and Jackson.

Biltong wrote:Good luck to the Welsh supporters, may the best team win.

Not too much good luck though

I can only reciprocate (if you see this)

Good luck to every bok fan, I wish you the best!!

Good luck both teams. Hope its a good game.
Sorry, Bilts (as the lone Saffer on here just now) but, as a neutral, I must shout for the NH team

Bit sad that one has to go home...first of the knockout s. Best of luck lads.

InjuredYetAgain wrote:Good luck both teams. Hope its a good game.
Sorry, Bilts (as the lone Saffer on here just now) but, as a neutral, I must shout for the NH team

And as a neutral I have a bet on SA to win the tournament... 'mon the boks

Come on Wales!

Brilliant play, Wales.

Ooohh Wales

ahhhgggg, North should of passed that!

Ooooohhh!

If only Wales executed that last pass... what a chance that was!

If Wales play like they did against Australia I think they can win. They have to put points on the board though when the get a chance. Three points from a penalty or drop kick is better than not scoring a try.

Burger around the side but ignored

GeordieFalcon wrote:

InjuredYetAgain wrote:Good luck both teams. Hope its a good game.
Sorry, Bilts (as the lone Saffer on here just now) but, as a neutral, I must shout for the NH team

And as a neutral I have a bet on SA to win the tournament... 'mon the boks

Fully understandable thinking, Geordie. Off at a tangent for this thread - thanks to all your town-folk for being incredible hosts. I was down for the Samoa game and while I had to head back to Edinburgh right away, everyone who stayed on seems to have enjoyed themselves and the locals had a great attitude.

I am sure I saw two knock on's there for SA?

glamorganalun wrote:Burger around the side but ignored

the other player had his hands on the ball well before that, it was a correct call

Good refereeing from Barnes. He is really clear in his instructions to both teams. I really don't know why is so unpopular.

Barnes: How is this a tackle and you have to release when the player is actually still on his feet?

VinceWLB wrote:Barnes: How is this a tackle and you have to release when the player is actually still on his feet?

??? He was on his knee's, unless you have feet on your knee's too?

The Welsh scummy was about to gub whoever was holding him after the whistle until he saw it was Etzebeth. Then stopped. Good career move.

This is really what Wales didn't want. You cant give penalties away in kickable positions. Discipline...

nathan wrote:

VinceWLB wrote:Barnes: How is this a tackle and you have to release when the player is actually still on his feet?

??? He was on his knee's, unless you have feet on your knee's too?

Looked to be held up to me, but if his knees touched the pitch fair enough

Du Plessis looks like he has something a little worse than a paper cut there. The way he was holding is arm looked really sore.

Wales aren't playing knock out rugby here. They are losing composure when in SA's 22.

Feel like Barnes being his usual over-fussy self is going to drag this game down a lot. Everything that can be penalised is. Sometimes you've got to give players a bit of latitude.

Also really feel putting that final try scoring pass into touch will be massive- 7-0 up in the first few minutes would have been a huge momentum boost for Wales.

VinceWLB wrote:

nathan wrote:

VinceWLB wrote:Barnes: How is this a tackle and you have to release when the player is actually still on his feet?

??? He was on his knee's, unless you have feet on your knee's too?

Looked to be held up to me, but if his knees touched the pitch fair enough

tbh i thought that on first viewing

Notch wrote:Feel like Barnes being his usual over-fussy self is going to drag this game down a lot. Everything that can be penalised is. Sometimes you've got to give players a bit of latitude.

Also really feel putting that final try scoring pass into touch will be massive- 7-0 up in the first few minutes would have been a huge momentum boost for Wales.

i don't get this view on barnes, he's given a couple of offsides and a couple of not releasing. Hardly call that being fussy

Come on Wales!

This looks like a fast tempo game.

Cagey so far

12 points in 17 minutes if alot for a knock out game.

get in there!

Welldone Biggar

The good news for Wales so far is that SA have not looked attacking at all and they have defended very well. Bad news is, Discipline and Clinical finishing.

OK, I will shut up. TRY WALES

Fantastic Dan. What a try. Awesome.

YES!

le roux cocked that up big time

try of the tournament. amazing.

nathan wrote:i don't get this view on barnes, he's given a couple of offsides and a couple of not releasing. Hardly call that being fussy

He applies the rules exactly as they are written. This is not a good way to ref the game as you can feasibly find something to penalise at every breakdown. For instance if a player is knocked to his knees but instantly recovers, he'll be pinged for going off his feet. If a player waits a second before presenting the ball, he may be pinged. Kills the game as a spectacle. Look to Nigel Owens for an example of a ref who understands which rules should be flexible and which are inviolable.

Great try Wales

Exceptional by Biggar. Stupendous kick, amazing vision, wondrous pass.

5th try for Gareth Davies as well.

Biggar is a star.

A great try from Wales. Well played to Dan Biggar for the kick chace.

wales 4 and 5 have conceded 9 points so far. idiots.

Brilliant play, Wales. But kingraf - what has happened to Le Roux. He was sizzling a few years ago bit seems a bit like Folau and just totally off-colour (no offence meant)

Cuthbert made a tackle It could be Wales' day

barnes is reffing fine. wales are infringing far too much. thats the problem.

Notch wrote:

nathan wrote:i don't get this view on barnes, he's given a couple of offsides and a couple of not releasing. Hardly call that being fussy

He applies the rules exactly as they are written. This is not a good way to ref the game as you can feasibly find something to penalise at every breakdown. For instance if a player is knocked to his knees but instantly recovers, he'll be pinged for going off his feet. If a player waits a second before presenting the ball, he may be pinged. Kills the game as a spectacle. Look to Nigel Owens for an example of a ref who understands which rules should be flexible and which are inviolable.

Great try Wales

have to disagree, i get frustrated with Owens because he lets things go because he's trying let the game flow - thats not his job and its this very reason that causes all of the inconsistency in reffing games.