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Morning all,

So after the win in Iowa for Ted Cruz last night where do we see this going?

I'm thinking Clinton v Rubio. Lots of twists and turns still to come though.

Hero wrote:

profitius wrote:

kingraf wrote:

profitius wrote:

Since when is David Duke a white supremacist?

I wad actually talking about the KKK but a person who wants separatism and opened a branch of the KKK is generally a white supremacist.

No a person who wants separatism for whites is..... a white separatist.


Look up the definitions of supremacism and separatism. You'll find they're actually different words.


Heres the man explaining it himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9gsMpDE3zU

Oh well if he says he isn't then he mustn't be, case closed.
He refers to himself as a 'racial realist' (waiting for the day certain right wingers on here term themselves that), former Grand Wizard of the KKK, a felon who used donations to gamble with, thinks Jewish Supremists promote homosexuality, and is a holocaust denier amongst many other things.
I think his title should be 'Grade A Cockwomble'.

Thats all besides the point. The point is he isn't a white supremacist. Stop trying to change the subject and accept it and move on.

Well Trump himself has referred to Duke as a White Supremacist:

'I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists,” he said. “So I don’t know. I don’t know — did he endorse me, or what’s going on? Because I know nothing about David Duke; I know nothing about white supremacists.”

I would certainly say Duke advocates the supremacy of the white race over others, you disagree, that's your opinion. Do not though dismiss others in the manner of which you have been doing on the board.

Hero wrote:Well Trump himself has referred to Duke as a White Supremacist:

'I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists,” he said. “So I don’t know. I don’t know — did he endorse me, or what’s going on? Because I know nothing about David Duke; I know nothing about white supremacists.”

I would certainly say Duke advocates the supremacy of the white race over others, you disagree, that's your opinion. Do not though dismiss others in the manner of which you have been doing on the board.

Wrong. Trump didn't call Duke a white supremacist. The interview was calling Duke that and Trump replied that he didn't know what the interviewer was talking about. If he didn't know anything about David Duke, how could he call him a white supremacist? Thats what caused the controversy (for some).
But thats a good example of how the media works. They'll throw in supremacist with Duke's name hoping the mud will stick.


As for your last paragraph, well its your opinion that he is a white supremacist. If you can't distinguish the difference between separatist and supremacist than I'm not sure you want to hear what I have to say.

profitius wrote:The interview was calling Duke that and Trump replied that he didn't know what the interviewer was talking about. If he didn't know anything about David Duke, how could he call him a white supremacist?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/02/donald-trump/trumps-absurd-claim-he-knows-nothing-about-former-/

"Well, you've got David Duke just joined — a big racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party," Trump said on Feb. 14, 2000.

profitius wrote:
As for your last paragraph, well its your opinion that he is a white supremacist. If you can't distinguish the difference between separatist and supremacist than I'm not sure you want to hear what I have to say.

That's becoming abundantly clear

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:

profitius wrote:
As for your last paragraph, well its your opinion that he is a white supremacist. If you can't distinguish the difference between separatist and supremacist than I'm not sure you want to hear what I have to say.

That's becoming abundantly clear

The truth will set them free.

Gingrich calls on media to 'get off this Trump bashing'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5HzaP19oCE

More Trump bashing though

always thought John Oliver was funny but I think he's genuinely found his muse here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI

But women should go to prison for getting abortions.

not supporting Trump,and I've only briefly seen a headline this morning, but wasn't he talking about illegal abortions?

Illegal meaning breaking of the law.....??

If abortions are made illegal he's advocating that desperate women be criminalised.

Drug addicts that mug people are desperate. They still go to prison.....

Scratch that (I think). Just re-read the first few paras of the story on BBC, by 'illegal' it means in context of making all abortion illegal (something Trump 'supports'). I misunderstood and thought he meant illegal within the current framework of the law on abortion.

So yes, he is still a cnut (albeit he has backed down).

Dear oh dear......People don't get it yet !!. When Trump is under the pump he comes out with something controversial to take attention away !!.

His top advisor was arrested for assault......So he's come out with this gem on abortion.

Like the wall Mexico is going to pay for and banning muslims... it isn't going to happen (He knows it isn't)...He wants to be President but doesn't want to do the job...This whole charade is ego driven bollox but it plays well with apple piers and he is losing Wisconsin in the polls to Ted Cruz and desperately needs something to change the narrative.

Trump is 500 short of the nomination and I can't see where he gets 500 from looking at what is left !!.

Not going to be throwing any women having illegal abortions in jail end of....

He can't win an election anyway without Democrats and Independents moving over...

Besides Cruz will be the nominee...

The only thing you need to understand about Trump is that he hasn't actually got a plan. You can try and squeeze all the lies and contradictions into some deviously clever strategy, or you can accept the much simpler version that he's making it all up as he goes along. The only way any of this makes sense as a designed strategy is if you believe the classic 'he's a Clinton plant' conspiracy theory. Even before the abortion comments he was polling so horrendously with women that some people were starting to wonder if he could lose every state in the general election.

Sanders is doing a great job...Can't win but is definitely annoying the Acid Queen...Clinton's refusing to debate him now..

Trump is as surprised as anyone he is winning...Just a huge ego looking for one last bit of attention. ..

MSM isn't giving Sanders the coverage he deserves though. Totally different message when compared with Trump, obviously, but it's one that really resonates with massive parts of America's population.

Truss,

I was reading the transcript of the 360 Town Hall that Trump did with Anderson Cooper; and Cooper mentioned that he might not get the backing of the Republican Delegates, and that they might turn to Paul Ryan instead? What do you make of that?

Sanders' big problem is that Clinton shut down the rest of the party months, maybe even years ago. Needed one or two other serious candidates in there to stop Clinton building a buffer.

Lowlandbrit wrote:Sanders' big problem is that Clinton shut down the rest of the party months, maybe even years ago. Needed one or two other serious candidates in there to stop Clinton building a buffer.

Not sure Sanders ever thought he'd be the candidate he started 50 points down !!!...Plenty like me thought he was a joke !!......

The whole of his campaign was to change the trajectory of the party and gain concessions for the left......He showed there is a market for socialism..

I think he's succeeded and he's succeeded remarkably well....Good luck to him.....

He's done a brilliant job.....

Lowlandbrit wrote:The only thing you need to understand about Trump is that he hasn't actually got a plan. You can try and squeeze all the lies and contradictions into some deviously clever strategy, or you can accept the much simpler version that he's making it all up as he goes along. The only way any of this makes sense as a designed strategy is if you believe the classic 'he's a Clinton plant' conspiracy theory. Even before the abortion comments he was polling so horrendously with women that some people were starting to wonder if he could lose every state in the general election.

Didn't he say he'll lower taxes? I bet from an economic point of view, he is far smarter than the other candidates. Bernie Sanders' socialism will not work.

He's alienated Women...Black and Hispanic voters...His health care policy will cost ten times more than he claims and his other policies are unenforceable..

If only Sanders was as smart...

Great article in the Washington Post re Sanders, Yank understanding of 'socialism' and some general take-aways re growing support for socialism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/03/24/millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs/

profitius wrote:

Lowlandbrit wrote:The only thing you need to understand about Trump is that he hasn't actually got a plan.

Didn't he say he'll lower taxes? I bet from an economic point of view, he is far smarter than the other candidates. Bernie Sanders' socialism will not work.

I'm not saying he hasn't got ideas, or that there aren't some good ones in there. But he's pretty much making it up as he goes along, saying whatever comes to mind instead of going in with answers.

profitius wrote:

Lowlandbrit wrote:The only thing you need to understand about Trump is that he hasn't actually got a plan. You can try and squeeze all the lies and contradictions into some deviously clever strategy, or you can accept the much simpler version that he's making it all up as he goes along. The only way any of this makes sense as a designed strategy is if you believe the classic 'he's a Clinton plant' conspiracy theory. Even before the abortion comments he was polling so horrendously with women that some people were starting to wonder if he could lose every state in the general election.

Didn't he say he'll lower taxes? I bet from an economic point of view, he is far smarter than the other candidates. Bernie Sanders' socialism will not work.

All GOP candidates lower taxes for the rich.......Trickle down economics etc...

Sad thing is under Obama the gap between rich and poor has widened....Household incomes are down....

He really has been a disappointment.......

Lowlandbrit wrote:The only thing you need to understand about Trump is that he hasn't actually got a plan.

Case in point: his apparently pretty limited understanding of the delegate rules. One of the many comments (anti Geneva convention, pro still letting his rich friends in if he bans muslims, etc.) that got somewhat overshadowed by the abortion stuff was him saying he's no longer promising to back whoever the nominee is. Some states have rules that mean it's technically possible for the delegates he wins there to become unbound again, including South Carolina where he won all 50. He's also complained about Cruz and Kasich 'stealing' delegates from him, since they have actual plans to maximise the number of their supporters that they've been putting into action while he's been looking at his poll numbers.

Amusing the way Clinton is ignoring Sanders five wins in a row....He's gone ahead in Wisconsin now and I'm sure she'll pretend losing that won't have happened...

Something that sticks in the craw about the way the Clinton's think they were born to rule..

He's also narrowed the gap from -54 to -12 in NY according to latest polls, in two weeks

that's a huge swing, though he probably needs the win there to catch Clinton.

Clinton's refusal to debate him not coming accross well, since she won I think five in a row she's basically acting as if she'd won the nomination, spent too much time attacking Trump, etc. IMO. Comes off as rather arrogant and entitled, as Truss says, which I think annoys a few people.

I called this a few weeks ago......But for anybody that likes a bet Paul Ryan's odds are starting to come down.   Trump and Cruz won't get to 1237 and if they can't get over the line on the various ballots.....Well then Ryan is chairing the convention and he's been endorsed ny House speaker Boehner already...

He also isn't ruling out the possibility..

"I haven't thought about this stuff yet" ......Of course you haven't..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:But for anybody that likes a bet Paul Ryan's odds are starting to come down.

I think he's probably the best bet after Cruz at the moment. I might even put Walker just in front of Trump and Kasich too, think there's a good chance he ends up on the ballot somewhere if Cruz doesn't get it.

Walker has endorsed Cruz and slagged off Trump...

Won't be him...They'll need Trump to back out quietly..

Alistair wrote:Truss,

I was reading the transcript of the 360 Town Hall that Trump did with Anderson Cooper; and Cooper mentioned that he might not get the backing of the Republican Delegates, and that they might turn to Paul Ryan instead? What do you make of that?

You missed this, truss....

I think his delegates are only tied to Trump on the first ballot.......Means he probably doesn't win with out 1237......Problem is he'll stink the subsequent election out if he's close and gets robbed...Hillary will walk it...She probably walks it anyway..

As for Ryan...Last time someone got the nod who wasn't in the race was James Garfield in 1880....To break the deadlock between the modernisers and the stalwarts.. Chester Arthur his VP was a Stalwart and Garfield a moderniser..

He got wasted three months later at the Washington train station....Shouldn't have died but medical practices were poor back then and he got gangrene..

Garfield had a terrible three months....

BTW President Chester Arthur who took over did a great job of restructuring the civil service....

His nickname was "Power uncorrupted".......He was a b**tard before he took office and an angel after....

Some history for you there..

Wasn't Ford the last President to win the Republican Nomination without having the most delegates?

Eisenhower...Ford.....Dewey..

But they were running.  Ryan and Garfield weren't/aren't.

16/1 with Paddy Power.

Might be worth a punt if Trump gets a decent result in Wisconsin.

Trump won't win Wisconsin...Sanders might though in the other race..

Trump though has New York..Conneticut and NJ looming on the horizon..

I think he'll finish just above Cruz but be 150 short..

I think Cruz will win the nomination but..Ryan has good odds..

Won't be around for a little while so I'll do a round up.....

1237 delegates needed......GOP..

Trump 736 Cruz 463....Give Cruz mid western Wisconsin and he's 503!!

Trump however will win the remaining New England States....

The Big states left...

New York.....Trump 53..Kasich 21 (95 delegates)
California.....Trump 34..Cruz 26..(172 delegates)
Pennsylvania...Trump 39....Cruz 22....(71 delegates)
Indiana.........Too close to call...(57 delegates)

Pennsylvania/Indiana winner takes all..

Cruz can't beat Trump unless he eats into these numbers..

Trump needs to win these to get over the line...

Sanders 49 Clinton 45 in Wisconsin..........

Would be a good win for the Bern but it's not straight forward voting in Wisconsin.....Voter ID regulations are more stringent and students are less organized..

However it's an open primary and that will suit Sanders..

It's gonna be Trump v Clinton.

Warning to Bernie Sanders voters (from Peter Schiff)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY9FbKgNZlE

profitius wrote:Warning to Bernie Sanders voters (from Peter Schiff)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY9FbKgNZlE

New york is huge for Trump now.......if he wants to win the nom and I'm not sure he does.....Needs a big win....

Cancelling engagements though suggests he isn't that interested....After all being President is a fulltime job in a field he knows diddly about.

Clinton should win and close out Brave Bernie's fight..

Sanders, the President America needs but not the one it deserves.

Sanders would have to compromise...........But he's only taking in small contributions and isn't bought and paid for.....

He's been fresh air.........and whilst a little to left I think he's done a great job.

According to a recent poll, 69% of Americans have a negative opinion of Trump. Don't think there was a single demographic with a majority positive view.

He's got a 92 percent chance of winning the State according to the odds.

Then again Cruz is from the South and a nut and Kasich is a wasted vote.

More delegate lessons for Trump this week, as he forgot to check which of his delegates actually made it to the final ballot before telling his voters who to vote for in Colorado, and sent out a message telling people to sign up to be delegates in Washington (state) to supporters in Washington (D.C) two days after the deadline had passed.

Pr4wn wrote:Sanders, the President America needs but not the one it deserves.

America does not need an economically illiterate President like Sanders, particularly seeing as their debt is nearly 20 trillion dollars.

Some of Sanders' policies are fanciful in the extreme - doubling the minimum wage by 2020, for instance. That would cause a great multitude of small and medium-sized businesses to collapse.

Oh right, already covered.

profitius wrote:Warning to Bernie Sanders voters (from Peter Schiff)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY9FbKgNZlE

You're supporting Trump.....I know I'm wasting my time but..

His healthcare plan is costed at $500 billion......He said it would cost $70 billion !!

Then there is the billions spent on a wall Mexico won't pay for !!

Before you mock Sanders find out a little about your own candidate..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You're supporting Trump.....I know I'm wasting my time but..

His healthcare plan is costed at $500 billion......He said it would cost $70 billion !!

Then there is the billions spent on a wall Mexico won't pay for !!

Before you mock Sanders find out a little about your own candidate..

Trump isn't my own candidate. I wouldn't vote for him if I resided in America.

I merely think that out of the Presidential candidates - Clinton, Trump and Cruz - Trump is the least worst.

Most will drag the US further into the mire it's created for itself, the only difference is Cruz and Trump will try and drag the rest down with them.