Marler to Face World Rugby Hearing

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Think that was Leinster, Hammer

All Irish are the same though, especially the South African ones

Munchkin wrote:Think that was Leinster, Hammer

All the Irish are...oh, hang on...

Munchkin wrote:Think that was Leinster, Hammer

My bad.

Cyril wrote:All Irish are the same though, especially the South African ones

Munchkin wrote:

Cyril wrote:All Irish are the same though, especially the South African ones

Hmm, I assume you got the jokey context?

Cyril wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

Cyril wrote:All Irish are the same though, especially the South African ones

Hmm, I assume you got the jokey context?

I did, Cyril.

Munchkin wrote:

Cyril wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

Cyril wrote:All Irish are the same though, especially the South African ones

Hmm, I assume you got the jokey context?

I did, Cyril.

Magic. I shall rest easy

HammerofThunor wrote:

Munchkin wrote:Think that was Leinster, Hammer

My bad.

Easy mistake to make, Hammer.

The interpretation does highlight how things can be taken out of context though. Even so, Leinster should have used a bit more wit when deciding calls.

funnyExiledScot wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:Why? Because English people are all racists? Only the Irish and Welsh are bastions of moral correctness?

There fixed that for you.

Seriously, there are some properly precious people about these days, I have been called a lot worse than gypsy boy on this very forum. 

I'll tell you what, some of you on here would not want to go on a night out with my mates, we call each other a lot worse things than gypsy boy, if half of you spent a night out with us lot you would have us all clapped in irons before the night was over.

Lets all take a breather, lets all stop trying to win the internet, it is what it is, we will see what happens on April the 5th and we can all go into melt down after this whole blown out of proportion debacle is decided.

+1

I reckon a night out with LD, aka the Merthyr Mouth, and mates would be eye opening and quite probably entertaining too.

LordDowlais wrote:

profitius wrote:This is getting some run. Remember what we were thought as kids. Sticks and stones etc. Well it seems som adults need reminding of that piece of common sense advice.

Exactly, I could not agree more with this post.

Absolutely agree. There are some very pathetic people on here - it seems getting all in a tizzy on someone else's behalf has become a sad little past time for some.

Particularly, it seems, for pathetic nasty WUMming little Trolls returning from bans under new pseudonyms to continue beingn pathetic nasty WUMming little Trolls.

People like that are what's wrong with society, not the people who are the source of their pant wetting.

RIP common sense.

And that is the last excuse for racists to complete my card

BINGO!

Munchkin wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:It would be interesting to add a poll to the OP.

Should Marler have received a ban:

1. Yes, what he said constitutes a racial slur and that is a serious offense.
2. Yes, what he said constitutes a racial slur but he should have been given the benefit of the doubt and received a small sanction only.
3. No, what he said constitutes a racial slur but he is not a racist and it was said in the heat of the moment. No sanction required.
4. No, what he said should not be considered a racial slur and is nothing more than banter amongst players. Racial taunting should be permitted.

I would pick 2. Racial slurs can be very serious, depending on context, but not in this case. If 6N's had acted appropriately this would mostly be forgotten about by now.

This

TJ wrote:And that is the last excuse for racists to complete my card

BINGO!

Good for you, but I completed my 'PC Leftie Luvvie Bul!sh!t Bingo Card' about three pages ago on this article.

Its all about context / viewpoint ain't it

TJ wrote:  

Its all about context / viewpoint ain't it  

That's the thing in a nutshell TJ

100% of people on here don't agree with racism, I would say that.

I think the problem in this case is whether Gypsy is racism? Obviously many feel it is and many feel it isn't.

Or that it's acceptable, even if it is racism in some cases.But the 6Ns find it unacceptable.

Its certainly split so many peoples opinons.

I honestly don't know why though. I think it's because there is still a lot of hostility to gypsies in general. Certainly in my (quite respectable) workplace you'll hear open hostility, thieving so and sos etc where people wouldn't utter it against people from Africa for instance. Even the old Pakistani insults have generally stopped, though plenty about Romanians now! Think there's something in it that we generally (and sorry I come from a large background of white friends here) think racism is a different colour of skin, so we just think gypsies are they guys that don't normally live in the 2 up 2 down house down the street.

GeordieFalcon wrote:
I think the problem in this case is whether Gypsy is racism? Obviously many feel it is and many feel it isn't.

The point that you seem to be missing every single time you type, is that an "opinion" on whether using the word gypsy in a descriminatory manner matters not one jot. My opinion. Your opinion......irrelevant. Because the law of the land, and therefore the law of rugby states that what Joe Marler did consitutes racist abuse.

That's not my opinion. That's a fact.

Anyone denying that fact, needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

Didn't the abuse come after the elbow from Marler bumble?

No 7&1/2 wrote:Didn't the abuse come after the elbow from Marler bumble?

No. Before.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

TJ wrote:  

Its all about context / viewpoint ain't it  

That's the thing in a nutshell TJ

100% of people on here don't agree with racism, I would say that.

I think the problem in this case is whether Gypsy is racism? Obviously many feel it is and many feel it isn't.

If calling somebody a Gypsy is racism, it's at the very low end of the scale.

It might be racism, it might be low end - it all depends on the context. In this context its obviously racist but it is less offensive than some

bumble wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:
I think the problem in this case is whether Gypsy is racism? Obviously many feel it is and many feel it isn't.

The point that you seem to be missing every single time you type, is that an "opinion" on whether using the word gypsy in a descriminatory manner matters not one jot. My opinion. Your opinion......irrelevant. Because the law of the land, and therefore the law of rugby states that what Joe Marler did consitutes racist abuse.

That's not my opinion. That's a fact.

Anyone denying that fact, needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

When is Marler appearing in court?

I don't think he is? As far as I know he's not been questioned by the police; have you heard differently?

bumble wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:
I think the problem in this case is whether Gypsy is racism? Obviously many feel it is and many feel it isn't.

The point that you seem to be missing every single time you type, is that an "opinion" on whether using the word gypsy in a descriminatory manner matters not one jot. My opinion. Your opinion......irrelevant. Because the law of the land, and therefore the law of rugby states that what Joe Marler did consitutes racist abuse.

That's not my opinion. That's a fact.

Anyone denying that fact, needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

And as I keep saying to you... despite what the LAW says the reason for this very public situation is that many many peoples OPINION is that it SHOULDNT be racist! And its going too far!

Are you not allowed to question the law??? You just accept it completely???

The point that you seem to be missing every single time you type

And you keep missing MY point also!!

Are you saying you can't be racist about gypsies or the level of 'abuse' isn't there?

I don't believe the level of abuse was there.

I think the bigger thing though is that people genuinely don't believe calling someone "gypsy boy" was racist!

And that's the general view at my local rugby club, at the falcons when ive been and from my mates.
Very few see that as racist!

No 7&1/2 wrote:I don't think he is? As far as I know he's not been questioned by the police; have you heard differently?

He isn't, it was in response to Bumble's constant reminders that Marler has broken the law of the land.

I see it the opposite as it was clearly intended to provoke and not in the spirit of friendship.

Hoonercat wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:I don't think he is? As far as I know he's not been questioned by the police; have you heard differently?

He isn't, it was in response to Bumble's constant reminders that Marler has broken the law of the land.

Ah right. There is no real argument about that, he has technically broken the law but it's never going to be prosecuted.

All rugby players break the law of the land all the time. Just restraining someone by force can be assault. Ban 'em all I say.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

And as I keep saying to you... despite what the LAW says the reason for this very public situation is that many many peoples OPINION is that it SHOULDNT be racist! And its going too far!

If your opinion is that abusing a minority (a minority that has a history of being persecuted) by saying "Oi gypsy boy, get back to your caravan" shouldn't be racist, then I just feel nothing but pity for you and your mindset.

No 7&1/2 wrote:I see it the opposite as it was clearly intended to provoke and not in the spirit of friendship.

Its rugby not tiddlywinks....

bumble wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

And as I keep saying to you... despite what the LAW says the reason for this very public situation is that many many peoples OPINION is that it SHOULDNT be racist! And its going too far!

If your opinion is that abusing a minority (a minority that has a history of being persecuted) by saying "Oi gypsy boy, get back to your caravan" shouldn't be racist, then I just feel nothing but pity for you and your mindset.

Pity for me?? Really.

I think we'll end this debate here .

But we're talking about targeting someone to provoke using their race as well Geordie. What level of abuse is ok before it becomes too racist? Gypsy ba***rd? I'm sure there would be comments about whether anyone knew if lees parents were married.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

bumble wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

And as I keep saying to you... despite what the LAW says the reason for this very public situation is that many many peoples OPINION is that it SHOULDNT be racist! And its going too far!

If your opinion is that abusing a minority (a minority that has a history of being persecuted) by saying "Oi gypsy boy, get back to your caravan" shouldn't be racist, then I just feel nothing but pity for you and your mindset.

Pity for me?? Really.

I think we'll end this debate here .

Really.

You need a history lesson. Or three.

No mate I don't. I extremely world wide educated. Thanks!

GeordieFalcon wrote:No mate I don't. I extremely world wide educated. Thanks!

I can't believe sheeple are even giving this returning WUM bumble the time of day.

We have to get to the bottom of who he was before his ban.

bumble wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:
I think the problem in this case is whether Gypsy is racism? Obviously many feel it is and many feel it isn't.

The point that you seem to be missing every single time you type, is that an "opinion" on whether using the word gypsy in a descriminatory manner matters not one jot. My opinion. Your opinion......irrelevant. Because the law of the land, and therefore the law of rugby states that what Joe Marler did consitutes racist abuse.

That's not my opinion. That's a fact.

Anyone denying that fact, needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

It's your opinion that Marler broke the laws of the land. He hasn't been charged with a criminal offence (remember John Terry?). He is not guilty of breaking the laws of the land unless a court decides so - the law only serves as guidance for courts in instances such as this and they would take such things as intent and mitigating factors into account, if he were even charged.

Hoonercat wrote:

bumble wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:
I think the problem in this case is whether Gypsy is racism? Obviously many feel it is and many feel it isn't.

The point that you seem to be missing every single time you type, is that an "opinion" on whether using the word gypsy in a descriminatory manner matters not one jot. My opinion. Your opinion......irrelevant. Because the law of the land, and therefore the law of rugby states that what Joe Marler did consitutes racist abuse.

That's not my opinion. That's a fact.

Anyone denying that fact, needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

It's your opinion that Marler broke the laws of the land. He hasn't been charged with a criminal offence (remember John Terry?). He is not guilty of breaking the laws of the land unless a court decides so - the law only serves as guidance for courts in instances such as this and they would take such things as intent and mitigating factors into account, if he were even charged.

As I explained to the previously banned WUM:

"What you seem to be failing to grasp, is that although the law is written down, its very often opened up to interpretation by those attempting to implement it. 'The Law is An As5' isn't some throwaway comment, it's coined because the fact is, the law isn't black and white and can even contradict itself. It is down to the Judiciary to implement it after careful consideration. This case will be no different."

bumble wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

And as I keep saying to you... despite what the LAW says the reason for this very public situation is that many many peoples OPINION is that it SHOULDNT be racist! And its going too far!

If your opinion is that abusing a minority (a minority that has a history of being persecuted) by saying "Oi gypsy boy, get back to your caravan" shouldn't be racist, then I just feel nothing but pity for you and your mindset.

So abusing someone is only offensive and wrong when it's against a minority? You are just moving the goalposts to excuse a Welsh player hurling racial abuse against Marler. You really should get over England winning a Grand Slam.

pheonix wrote:

bumble wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

And as I keep saying to you... despite what the LAW says the reason for this very public situation is that many many peoples OPINION is that it SHOULDNT be racist! And its going too far!

If your opinion is that abusing a minority (a minority that has a history of being persecuted) by saying "Oi gypsy boy, get back to your caravan" shouldn't be racist, then I just feel nothing but pity for you and your mindset.

So abusing someone is only offensive and wrong when it's against a minority? You are just moving the goalposts to excuse a Welsh player hurling racial abuse against Marler. You really should get over England winning a Grand Slam.

What Welsh player? When in the game? Please provide the details.Btw,congratulations to England on the Grand Slam.Well deserved and clearly the best side in this year's 6N.Now let's have the answers to the questions above.

bumble wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

And as I keep saying to you... despite what the LAW says the reason for this very public situation is that many many peoples OPINION is that it SHOULDNT be racist! And its going too far!

If your opinion is that abusing a minority (a minority that has a history of being persecuted) by saying "Oi gypsy boy, get back to your caravan" shouldn't be racist, then I just feel nothing but pity for you and your mindset.

Bumble. Do you feel pity for me? I come from a country that doesnt have any gypsies let alone Gypsy minorities? I didnt know until about a week ago that they were officially a race of people. I thought they were nothing more than a group of people that lived a transient lifestyle like Hippies.

Are we allowed to say bad things about hipsters?

Cyril wrote:Are we allowed to say bad things about hipsters?

You guys in England apparently cant, but us Kiwis can abuse the shi t out of them....its legal here.

aucklandlaurie wrote:

bumble wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

And as I keep saying to you... despite what the LAW says the reason for this very public situation is that many many peoples OPINION is that it SHOULDNT be racist! And its going too far!

If your opinion is that abusing a minority (a minority that has a history of being persecuted) by saying "Oi gypsy boy, get back to your caravan" shouldn't be racist, then I just feel nothing but pity for you and your mindset.

Bumble. Do you feel pity for me? I come from a country that doesnt have any gypsies let alone Gypsy minorities? I didnt know until about a week ago that they were officially a race of people. I thought they were nothing more than a group of people that lived a transient lifestyle like thievingHippies.

Fixed that for you old chap.

Oh cr@p! Am I allowed to be ageist?

Jimpy wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

bumble wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

And as I keep saying to you... despite what the LAW says the reason for this very public situation is that many many peoples OPINION is that it SHOULDNT be racist! And its going too far!

If your opinion is that abusing a minority (a minority that has a history of being persecuted) by saying "Oi gypsy boy, get back to your caravan" shouldn't be racist, then I just feel nothing but pity for you and your mindset.

Bumble. Do you feel pity for me? I come from a country that doesnt have any gypsies let alone Gypsy minorities? I didnt know until about a week ago that they were officially a race of people. I thought they were nothing more than a group of people that lived a transient lifestyle like thievingHippies.

Fixed that for you old chap.

Oh cr@p! Am I allowed to be ageist?

have you been stealing Hippies again?

bumble wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

And as I keep saying to you... despite what the LAW says the reason for this very public situation is that many many peoples OPINION is that it SHOULDNT be racist! And its going too far!

If your opinion is that abusing a minority (a minority that has a history of being persecuted) by saying "Oi gypsy boy, get back to your caravan" shouldn't be racist, then I just feel nothing but pity for you and your mindset.

I bet you're a right laugh a minute on a night out