Political round up.............

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Unions are like cops....Everyone hates them until they need one..

Ho! Ho! Hee! Hee!

Oh I'd love to be at your table TopHat. You sound a bundle of wit!

I hope you weren't planning on eating anything.

navyblueshorts wrote:

Oh, I do enjoy it. No-one would have a clue what you're talking about because you never state anything clearly. It's always obtuse, very 'clever' allegories with you. I think you'd get a lot of blank stares/pauses followed by "What were we saying?"...

Oh I can tame it down if the food was nice enough.  "Pass me the caramelised onions please - thank you - now what do we all think of that chap, Ri Su-yong.  Is he the right man for the job?"

Oh I can tame it down if hungry

Pr4wn wrote:I hope you weren't planning on eating anything.

A packed lunch? I always bring a packed lunch in case I'm not welcome.

Pr4wn wrote:I hope you weren't planning on eating anything.

He could have the salad....

"Labour is ready to form the next Government":
Agree: 27%
Disagree: 63%
(via Ipsos Mori)

"Jeremy Corbyn is ready to be Prime Minister":
Agree: 22%
Disagree: 65%
(via Ipsos Mori)

Outside of the Foot-like Momentum bubble, this is the true reality of the situation.

Duty281 wrote:"Labour is ready to form the next Government":
Agree: 27%
Disagree: 63%
(via Ipsos Mori)

"Jeremy Corbyn is ready to be Prime Minister":
Agree: 22%
Disagree: 65%
(via Ipsos Mori)

Outside of the Foot-like Momentum bubble, this is the true reality of the situation.

Considering that, in my own line of work and having worked with Ipsos Mori for several years before cancelling their contract, they are prone to over-stating figures...I'd be very worried were I a Labour MP.

Duty281 wrote:"Labour is ready to form the next Government":
Agree: 27%
Disagree: 63%
(via Ipsos Mori)

"Jeremy Corbyn is ready to be Prime Minister":
Agree: 22%
Disagree: 65%
(via Ipsos Mori)

Outside of the Foot-like Momentum bubble, this is the true reality of the situation.

He is totally unelectable and it's tragic...Unfortunately the center and right wing of Labour is stiffening the resolve of the left ,who have the majority of members, to keep him...

They should have given him a go...shut up and then said "We've given him a chance etc"...

Unfortunately they have probably made him stronger..

He'll go now...when he's ready..

SecretFly wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Oh, I do enjoy it. No-one would have a clue what you're talking about because you never state anything clearly. It's always obtuse, very 'clever' allegories with you. I think you'd get a lot of blank stares/pauses followed by "What were we saying?"...

Oh I can tame it down if the food was nice enough.  "Pass me the caramelised onions please - thank you - now what do we all think of that chap, Ri Su-yong.  Is he the right man for the job?"

Oh I can tame it down if hungry

You'd be welcome at my table, SecretFly, I enjoy your posts.  We've only got two chairs though so you'd have to bring your own, unless you want to sit on the footstool (it's comfortable but not quite high enough).

I'm there Galted! I'll even stand if necessary.

Get a room.

Padded, I suspect.

Oh the peepers and heavy breathers have already arrived?

You'll have to stand if you want to stay and watch the show.

Whoosh.

SecretFly wrote:Oh the peepers and heavy breathers have already arrived?  

You'll have to stand if you want to stay and watch the show.

Excellent post. I declare it to be the finest post ever posted on 606v2.

USA
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ABC poll......... Shows Trump two points ahead of Clinton in WH2016.........Clinton having trouble with White suburban women voters apparently....That 20% Trust rating is a problem.....

Trump 46 Clinton 44...First poll to have Trump ahead...

WSJ poll...........Clinton's 11 point lead has shrunk to 3 points.............46-43...Within MoE..

Sanders beating Trump 54-39.....

ABC poll.......60% of Americans dislike Trump.....
..................53% of Americans dislike Clinton.....
..................38% of Americans dislike Sanders...

Trump leading Clinton by 13% with Independent voters........Up 4 points since March !!!.....

Trump is no doubt getting a boost from becoming presumptive nominee and some Republicans moving in line.....Clinton is struggling with an old leftie and not looking good......Which is hurting..

Good win in California and ending the race should see a move in the polls back into line..

However like Bush v Gore.......One can't rule out the more colorful, charismatic candidate resonating aginst the boring stiff... if he can stay on message (When he thinks of one!!)

One mustn't forget Gore was a huge favorite and ten points ahead at one time over Jr....

And in Austria, postal votes have defeated Hofer, it would seem.

Duty281 wrote:And in Austria, postal votes have defeated Hofer, it would seem.

Damnable shame that. Not.

Duty281 wrote:And in Austria, postal votes have defeated Hofer, it would seem.

If Grandad/Granny with no family in the vicinity...find it hard getting to the polling booth.....Then thank goodness for Postal votes...

We'd both hate it if Granny didn't get a voice now wouldn't we ?????????

Yea...but empty those pockets granny. Only one-vote per person, darling. You won't be needing those 50 other envelopes.

If you say so..

Excellent article by one of the UK's better journalists. The Tories are destroying the economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/24/austerity-cuts-privatising-george-osborne-britain-assets

Pr4wn wrote:Excellent article by one of the UK's better journalists. The Tories are destroying the economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/24/austerity-cuts-privatising-george-osborne-britain-assets

I love the old excuses that Privatisation is modernity and sensibility at work. "Private Investment for serious growth." "Sell to diversify". "Float for Choice". "Shop around for best deal".

What sterile nonsense in an age where the maxim "For every dollar I put in I want three coming back to me" is as remote from the concept of Modern Society as a bunch of Neanderthals having a snooze in a tree after a heavy meal.

It's ancient logic and it's why people crawl around in some Nations waiting for hospital beds to become available to them, as Private social media internet chat'n'pic companies plan ambitious Space Programs to let Bob Geldof look at the stars.

Go outside Bob and look up - it's cheaper - and a few more starving people around the world might dine out on the savings.

Pr4wn wrote:Excellent article by one of the UK's better journalists. The Tories are destroying the economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/24/austerity-cuts-privatising-george-osborne-britain-assets

Well, we get what we vote for I guess...

It's times like this where the practice destroys the theory. I can understand the free market thinking and it makes a lot of sense when you think about it. But when you put it into practice it inevitably fails to live up to the hype for one simile reas on. Shareholders. I've always favoured a John Lewis type workplace environment for state owned facilities/services. Both to motivate the public sector and eliminate waste. It's probably the only way self regulation works when everyone has got a financial stake in the smooth running of the business.

SecretFly wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Excellent article by one of the UK's better journalists. The Tories are destroying the economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/24/austerity-cuts-privatising-george-osborne-britain-assets

I love the old excuses that Privatisation is modernity and sensibility at work.  "Private Investment for serious growth."  "Sell to diversify".  "Float for Choice".  "Shop around for best deal".  

What sterile nonsense in an age where the maxim "For every dollar I put in I want three coming back to me" is as remote from the concept of Modern Society as a bunch of Neanderthals having a snooze in a tree after a heavy meal.

It's ancient logic and it's why people crawl around in some Nations waiting for hospital beds to become available to them, as Private social media internet chat'n'pic companies plan ambitious Space Programs to let Bob Geldof look at the stars.

Go outside Bob and look up - it's cheaper  - and a few more starving people around the world might dine out on the savings.

I'm generally a fan of privatisation for a number of reasons.......

Improves efficiency......Much more emphasis on profit....More motivation to succeed ....

Not as much political interference.....So more beneficial long terms plans can be adopted.

Shareholders can hold underperforming management to account...

Of course there are disadvantages but I'm generally more for than against.......

Oh I'm a capitalist too. But rampant untethered Capitalism should never outgun good governance. And good governance, responsible governance, should always realise the strategic value of retaining foundation stone control.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Excellent article by one of the UK's better journalists. The Tories are destroying the economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/24/austerity-cuts-privatising-george-osborne-britain-assets

I love the old excuses that Privatisation is modernity and sensibility at work.  "Private Investment for serious growth."  "Sell to diversify".  "Float for Choice".  "Shop around for best deal".  

What sterile nonsense in an age where the maxim "For every dollar I put in I want three coming back to me" is as remote from the concept of Modern Society as a bunch of Neanderthals having a snooze in a tree after a heavy meal.

It's ancient logic and it's why people crawl around in some Nations waiting for hospital beds to become available to them, as Private social media internet chat'n'pic companies plan ambitious Space Programs to let Bob Geldof look at the stars.

Go outside Bob and look up - it's cheaper  - and a few more starving people around the world might dine out on the savings.

I'm generally a fan of privatisation for a number of reasons.......

Improves efficiency......Much more emphasis on profit....More motivation to succeed ....

Not as much political interference.....So more beneficial long terms plans can be adopted.

Shareholders can hold underperforming management to account...

Of course there are disadvantages but I'm generally more for than against.......

Read the article. Studies show that privatised public services companies are no more efficient than when they were publically owned. It's just a myth peddled to take your money. Look at the state of the trains in Britain.

There are good and bad privatisations..

Agreed. But we do seem to going through an uncanny run of terrible ones recently.

Pr4wn wrote:Excellent article by one of the UK's better journalists. The Tories are destroying the economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/24/austerity-cuts-privatising-george-osborne-britain-assets

Guardian about as accurate, balanced & relevant as the Daily Fail......

Which paper is accurate, balanced and relevant?

I always hear this being said about virtually any publication mentioned and I always mean to ask where the torch bearer of truth, honesty, integrity and honour is in the publication world?

SecretFly wrote:Oh I'm a capitalist too.  But rampant untethered Capitalism should never outgun good governance.  And good governance, responsible governance, should always realise the strategic value of retaining foundation stone control.

WTF???

You're like a knock-off Russell Brand, stumbling over words in an effort to spill them onto the page no matter what order they come or sense they make.

Pr4wn wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Excellent article by one of the UK's better journalists. The Tories are destroying the economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/24/austerity-cuts-privatising-george-osborne-britain-assets

I love the old excuses that Privatisation is modernity and sensibility at work.  "Private Investment for serious growth."  "Sell to diversify".  "Float for Choice".  "Shop around for best deal".  

What sterile nonsense in an age where the maxim "For every dollar I put in I want three coming back to me" is as remote from the concept of Modern Society as a bunch of Neanderthals having a snooze in a tree after a heavy meal.

It's ancient logic and it's why people crawl around in some Nations waiting for hospital beds to become available to them, as Private social media internet chat'n'pic companies plan ambitious Space Programs to let Bob Geldof look at the stars.

Go outside Bob and look up - it's cheaper  - and a few more starving people around the world might dine out on the savings.

I'm generally a fan of privatisation for a number of reasons.......

Improves efficiency......Much more emphasis on profit....More motivation to succeed ....

Not as much political interference.....So more beneficial long terms plans can be adopted.

Shareholders can hold underperforming management to account...

Of course there are disadvantages but I'm generally more for than against.......

Read the article. Studies show that privatised public services companies are no more efficient than when they were publically owned. It's just a myth peddled to take your money. Look at the state of the trains in Britain.

Love this old chestnut. Always said/written by somebody with no recollection of how truly awful British Rail was.

And the major issues with major train delays are almost always caused by Network Rai - the public sector company which runs the net work - not the private sector train operators.

In Scotland and large parts of Britain, the problem with the trains is lack of competition (in Scotland the choices are Scotrail and err... Scotrail and the service is a bag of sh1te). Don't see how that gets better under nationalisation. Prices and services could improve with more competition.

Toppy is also correct - Network Rail is the cause of most of the problems on the railways.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Excellent article by one of the UK's better journalists. The Tories are destroying the economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/24/austerity-cuts-privatising-george-osborne-britain-assets

Guardian about as accurate, balanced & relevant as the Daily Fail......

So nothing about the actual article? Did you even read it?

Thought not. Carry on.

And yes, forgot to mention the key point super has noted, privatisation of the rail opco industry was always going to be difficult as it's hard to inject competition - which is the key driver behind privatisation efficiencies.

That said, think there are at least two companies running on a few different routes now (think you've a choice for London to Edinburgh and at least one other I've forgotten).

Pr4wn wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Excellent article by one of the UK's better journalists. The Tories are destroying the economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/24/austerity-cuts-privatising-george-osborne-britain-assets

Guardian about as accurate, balanced & relevant as the Daily Fail......

So nothing about the actual article? Did you even read it?

Thought not. Carry on.

Would you read something I posted from the Daily Fail?

Thought not. Carry on.

The Guardian gets a rich/successful hating history graduate to write it's 'economics' pieces? This is what you get:

http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/economics/todays-prize-for-economic-illiteracy-goes-to-aditya-chakrabortty

Just makes your comment utterly pointless.

TopHat24/7 wrote:The Guardian gets a rich/successful hating history graduate to write it's 'economics' pieces? This is what you get:

http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/economics/todays-prize-for-economic-illiteracy-goes-to-aditya-chakrabortty

By Tim Worstall, known fascist and UKIP fan! You couldn't make it up.

The Adam Smith Institute is vastly more credible than some rich-hating history bod who writes devoid of analysis (having now scan read his piece) and pure opinion based 'articles' to suck up to the likes of you. Quick glance at his Guardian profile and it's all "rich people hate you" "rich people are screwing you" "corporates are after you" "corporates are making your eyes bleed and will kill your family" blah blah blah.....

To paraphrase Mark Corrigan from Peep Show:

It's only the miracle of consumer capitalism that means we're all not lying in our own sh1t, dying at 43 with rotten teeth.

[quote="TopHat24/7"]who writes devoid of analysis (having now scan read his piece)"[quote]

Oh, the irony.

And, rather than referring to the Institute, I was referring to the fascist author.

You think that this fire sale of public assets to fund cuts to essential services is good, then? You think the fact that the poor are poorer while the number of UK billionaires has quadrupled since the crash is good? Why would you think that?

I'm interested in the ability to accuractely analysis matters of economics. Not someone's politicl leanings. Which is why AS is more credible in what it produces than your Guardian chum who is little more than a mouthpiece.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Oh I'm a capitalist too.  But rampant untethered Capitalism should never outgun good governance.  And good governance, responsible governance, should always realise the strategic value of retaining foundation stone control.

WTF???

You're like a knock-off Russell Brand, stumbling over words in an effort to spill them onto the page no matter what order they come or sense they make.

It's called the English Language.  Some of us are overly fluent in it.

For the Playschool kids:  foundation stone control = Not - everything - should - be - Privatised.

That's not what it means. It is just gobbledygook. That's just what you MEANT/WANTED it to mean.

Carry on Top. You better put water in that radiator - on a day like this, you're likely to over-heat.

TopHat24/7 wrote:The Adam Smith Institute is vastly more credible than some rich-hating history bod who writes devoid of analysis (having now scan read his piece) and pure opinion based 'articles' to suck up to the likes of you. Quick glance at his Guardian profile and it's all "rich people hate you" "rich people are screwing you" "corporates are after you" "corporates are making your eyes bleed and will kill your family" blah blah blah.....

To be fair Toppy, just because the Guardian is left-leaning, doesn't always make it wrong. Certainly, the linked article re. the always alleged private company = efficiency savings bunkum wasn't written by the Guardian.