Political round up.............

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Unions are like cops....Everyone hates them until they need one..

ShahenshahG wrote:Not debt Dyre, deficit, in actual debt weve got something like 500 billion more than when labour lost out to the tories.

Yeah - I meant deficit.


But you forgot to mention the national debt increased by the same amount under Labour between 2005 and 2010.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/282769/united-kingdom-uk-national-debt-y-on-y-psndex/


So it looks like nobody has a really good solution to the problem.

Duty281 wrote:The Tories failed economically. They promised to eradicate the deficit by 2015 in their 2010 manifesto, but failed, and ended up doubling the national debt which currently looks like:

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

Um...going from 1 trillion to 1.5 trillion isn't doubling...

Nice clock though.

Interesting to know that if every taxpayer forked out an extra £48 we could eradicate the national debt in one fell swoop! Wonder why nobody has proposed that before...

dyrewolfe wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:Not debt Dyre, deficit, in actual debt weve got something like 500 billion more than when labour lost out to the tories.

Yeah - I meant deficit.


But you forgot to mention the national debt increased by the same amount under Labour between 2005 and 2010.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/282769/united-kingdom-uk-national-debt-y-on-y-psndex/


So it looks like nobody has a really good solution to the problem.

I'm not defending Labour but that included the bank bailout - after we've sold it back it will result in a net loss of about only about 5 billion which is a small price to pay to prevent a collapse of the system and the ensuing chaos.

On the failures of austerity, by that Trot thinktank the IMF

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/27/austerity-policies-do-more-harm-than-good-imf-study-concludes

The IMF - another failed global institution.

Lagarde and Clinton should share the same jail cell.

Merkel: Terrorists may have used the refugee influx to bring in people to carry out attacks.

Another global leader realising that, sadly in this instance, Farage was right all along.

What exactly did he say?

"When well funded, well organised groups like IS tell you that they plan to bring their war to you, you would be well advised to listen."

"In February, Italian intelligence networks told us that they had intercepted ISIS communications threatening to send 500,000 ISIS fighters to Europe. That may well be hyperbole, but whether it is 500,000 or 5,000 these people present a clear threat to lives and liberty in Europe. It is a threat to bring the same callous disregard to our shores as they have wrecked on the people of Syria and Iraq, Christian, Muslim and Yazidis. A report this week from Global Initiative has made it clear that ISIS are earning hundreds of millions of pounds in running these migration routes and the EU's approach is both facilitating the import of terror to our shores, but also filling the coffers of this horrific entity. Britain must do everything in its power to change minds in Brussels. They are sleepwalking toward catastrophe, by trying to appear compassionate."

"Whilst Britain must maintain its record as a refuge for genuine refugees we must remain entirely vigilant against the serious and very real security threat."

That was shortly before the General Election last year.

So his call was to accept real asylum seekers just not the terrorists then? What was his fool proof way of telling which was which?

I believe he wanted the creation of off-shore reception centres so the claims of asylum seekers could be properly assessed.

Would that be a round about way of saying no then?

To the first question, sorry, yes he did want to accept real asylum seekers.

I think he was content with the 20,000 figure.

I don't think he came out with an actual number did he? I'm sure if he felt there was room for more he wouldn't have an arbitary 20000 cut off for people in real fear of their lives adn would actively encourage more to be taken. But you're also really saying there's no way for them to separate real from the rest and it's just a soundbite aren't you? How would you properly assess someone 100% off shore or not?

https://www.rt.com/news/353977-austria-right-candidate-poll/

Don't get cheated out this time, Mr. Hofer!

No 7&1/2 wrote:So his call was to accept real asylum seekers just not the terrorists then? What was his fool proof way of telling which was which?

I think it was his call for a larger, better funded border force with greater powers and greater capability to intercept any potential terrorist threats. Many refugees have been found with forged passports and other documents.

It also highlights the need for controlled immigration and not being forced to let in anyone who wishes to come.

So what was his way of telling exactly?

Duty281 wrote:https://www.rt.com/news/353977-austria-right-candidate-poll/

Don't get cheated out this time, Mr. Hofer!

A far right Austrian politician. What could possibly go wrong?

dyrewolfe wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:So his call was to accept real asylum seekers just not the terrorists then? What was his fool proof way of telling which was which?

I think it was his call for a larger, better funded border force with greater powers and greater capability to intercept any potential terrorist threats. Many refugees have been found with forged passports and other documents.

It also highlights the need for controlled immigration and not being forced to let in anyone who wishes to come.

The issue is where that funding comes from. At the minute it comes from the fees charged for such things as work visas and study visas. These are already exorbitant. If the current rates are not sufficient to fund an effective enough to manage the system what is the answer? Charge more? All you achieve then is you cease to make working and studying in the UK uncompetitive and unattractive. Somewhat self defeating.

UKIP favorite Stephen Woolf was 20 minutes late handing his nomination paper in..

He's out of the race for the leadership..

What a party..

Anyway off for two weeks so I'll leave Duty to spin it as a positive..

Where have you heard that from?

There is some slight concern that he may have let his membership lapse, thus disqualifying him, but this won't be decided upon until Tuesday.

Sorry lads, change of plan. Looks like Woolfe is going to be barred from standing by the pathetic and traitorous NEC, with Carswell, Evans and Hamilton the backstabbers-in-chief.

Looks like Woolfe was an idiot who didn't get everything together on time.

He was certainly an idiot for leaving his application so late, though he did show a receipt which shows he got the application in with 23 minutes to spare. He's being gotten rid of just like Nathan Gill.

Evans and Hamilton want to take control of the party from within, aided by that slimy little pillock Carswell.

How much money did you lose Duty? Seem to remember you choking your chicken over him being 7/2 and then evens so guessing you've lost your pay packet for this month.

Rules are rules. The application was late.

Also, nobody cares anyway.

Pr4wn wrote:Rules are rules. The application was late.

Also, nobody cares anyway.

I must admit I was a little surprised at Duty's comments, as I thought being a 'slimy little pillock' was one of the requirements for being in UKIP in the first place.

Seems his lateness was down to issues with UKIPs site?

Indeed it was.

Though I think he was an idiot for leaving it so late, he clearly submitted the application at 11:37, 23 minutes before the deadline.

It's kind of irrelevant, though, because the NEC were absolutely determined that he shouldn't stand for leader. If it wasn't the deadline thing, they would have found another reason.

Hopefully the next leader - Diane James - will work to abolish the NEC (and hopefully kick out Hamilton/Evans/Carswell to boot).

You used to properly Brown-nose Carswell, what happened?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/08/labour-must-allow-all-members-leadership-vote-court-rules

Excellent news. Corbyn's victory assured beyond any lingering doubt; in turn, the end of the Labour Party as a serious electoral force is guaranteed.

2020 will be a defeat that they will never recover from.

Duty281 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/08/labour-must-allow-all-members-leadership-vote-court-rules

Excellent news. Corbyn's victory assured beyond any lingering doubt; in turn, the end of the Labour Party as a serious electoral force is guaranteed.

2020 will be a defeat that they will never recover from.

You're a 20 year old bloke, apparently, and you're getting this excited about a vote for who will be the next leader of a political party. For feck sake man, go out, get drunk, get laid, take copious amounts of drugs. Live a little.

Don't do politics kids, not even once...

That footage of William Hague speaking at the Tory party conference as a 14 year old, not one of the cool kids.

It is a slippery slope Jeff, and can only end in pomposity and early baldness.

rick_dagless wrote:It is a slippery slope Jeff, and can only end in pomposity and early baldness.

I've never been political in my life yet I've been blighted with both...clearly there's a flaw in your theory, Rick

rick_dagless wrote:It is a slippery slope Jeff, and can only end in pomposity and early baldness.

The pomposity arrived some time ago with Duty.

I don't think Duty is actually real and whatever he is, he's not convincing as a human being. He's supposed to be what - 20/21? Nah, I'm not buying it.

Rowley wrote:

Duty281 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/08/labour-must-allow-all-members-leadership-vote-court-rules

Excellent news. Corbyn's victory assured beyond any lingering doubt; in turn, the end of the Labour Party as a serious electoral force is guaranteed.

2020 will be a defeat that they will never recover from.

You're a 20 year old bloke, apparently, and you're getting this excited about a vote for who will be the next leader of a political party. For feck sake man, go out, get drunk, get laid, take copious amounts of drugs. Live a little.

Eh? After making the quoted post, you may have noted my complete absence for the rest of the day. This is because I went out and did a couple of the things you said - not at your suggestion, I might add!

But thank you, father.

superflyweight wrote:

rick_dagless wrote:It is a slippery slope Jeff, and can only end in pomposity and early baldness.

The pomposity arrived some time ago with Duty.  

I don't think Duty is actually real and whatever he is, he's not convincing as a human being.  He's supposed to be what - 20/21?  Nah, I'm not buying it.  

But I am real, and I'll be 21 in a week or so, and we must be free or die, to speak the tongue that Shakespeare spake...etc.

Duty281 wrote:

superflyweight wrote:

rick_dagless wrote:It is a slippery slope Jeff, and can only end in pomposity and early baldness.

The pomposity arrived some time ago with Duty.  

I don't think Duty is actually real and whatever he is, he's not convincing as a human being.  He's supposed to be what - 20/21?  Nah, I'm not buying it.  

But I am real, and I'll be 21 in a week or so, and we must be free or die, to speak the tongue that Shakespeare spake...etc.

Easy, Pinocchio.

Comres Labour voters poll...Corbyn 47....Smith 25....

Smith has 24 point lead with non Labour voters...

Bit of a mess....Politics is the art of compromise....Can't change anything without power..

Britain needs a functional opposition...

To be honest not been impressed with Smith though...

I saw someone describe what's happened to the Labour Party as a hostile takeover by the unimaginably stupid.  

I think it sums up the situation pretty well.

Smith is the best of those that were willing to risk their careers taking on Corbyns membership.

Duty turn away now..

Ipsos Mori...

Con 45....Up 4
Lab 34....Up 3
Lib 7.......Level
UKIP 6....Down 7...

Thought once it was finished UKIP would become insignificant....

Looking that way..

11 points must be Tory heaven..

And the point of polling now is...?

ICM have UKIP at 14%, by the way - that's the same ICM which correctly predicted the outcome of the EU referendum, whilst Ipsos Mori had Remain winning.

UKIP insignificant? Heard it so many times before, to the point of complete tedium.

The mess that is the Labour Party continues.

Corbyn can't find a full train to film his nationalise the railway spiel on, such is his level of incompetence.

Smith has used the word lunatic in a speech and the pc brigade have gone crazy, suggesting he has offended the mentally ill.

He also says he won't invoke article 50 unless there is a second referendum, good luck with that.

Jezzas new kind of politics, same as the old one.

Owen Smith is throwing **** at the wall at this point, he willing went down ****s creek, and I can just about make out his paddle in the distance.

Ent wrote:The mess that is the Labour Party continues.

Corbyn can't find a full train to film his nationalise the railway spiel on, such is his level of incompetence.

Smith has used the word lunatic in a speech and the pc brigade have gone crazy, suggesting he has offended the mentally ill.

He also says he won't invoke article 50 unless there is a second referendum, good luck with that.

Been disappointed with Smith...I thought he was a center ground man and suspect he is...But he's gone so far left he's nearly come out right again !!.

I thought the whole point of this is that Corbyn's agenda is too far left to be electable...Not to replace him with a different lightweight with the same agenda...

Unless he's bull crapping which tells voters you can't trust him as far as you can throw him !!..

I won't vote Liberal as they sell out too easily...I won't vote Conservative after growing up with Reagan-omics..I won't vote for racists....and the Greens are a joke..

Looks like I won't be casting a vote anytime soon..

http://order-order.com/2016/08/24/corbyn-on-traingate/

Corbyn's such an angry little man. I suppose, however, that it is a kinder, gentler, more inclusive style of anger, so be not afeared!

I'm constantly surprised by just how often Corbyns team gets outmaneuvered on this stuff. Perception probably isn't completely reality but he just looks incompetent when it happens.

Ukip supporter calling Corbyn angry..

Bit like Ted Bundy saying Jack the ripper had a bad attitude towards women.

Corbyn is a very angry man. Probably because his beloved Venezuelan socialism is a catastrophic failure.