Political round up.............

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Unions are like cops....Everyone hates them until they need one..

Which PEO did Obama use to cover up his indiscretions/illegality??

Which ones does Trump need to cover up his? Obama had 8 years to build up a few winks and nods in the background - you think he's above a nod and a wink in a proverbial 'dark alley'?

Trump isn't even in office yet and you boys are gloating about the Impeachment coming. There's Fear in the air and it isn't just in America that I scent it. There is more to the world wide repudiation of Trump by the establishment press and chat merchants than a few comments from him about Mexicans and illegal immigrants. The Mockingbird tweets again.

I don't see any impeachment...I see a Ulysses Grant or Eisenhower administration where the cabinet pull the strings while he is out playing golf..

Trump will soon be bored like the Emperor Tiberius and a Sejanus figure will do his job probably Priebus.

If the economy gets better he may seek re-election.

Those expecting fireworks or change will be disappointed.

SecretFly wrote:Which ones does Trump need to cover up his?  Obama had 8 years to build up a few winks and nods in the background - you think he's above a nod and a wink in a proverbial 'dark alley'?

Trump isn't even in office yet and you boys are gloating about the Impeachment coming.  There's Fear in the air and it isn't just in America that I scent it.  There is more to the world wide repudiation of Trump by the establishment press and chat merchants than a few comments from him about Mexicans and illegal immigrants.   The Mockingbird tweets again.

Well when you are the first President-eleect in US history to refuse to publish your tax returns.....suspicions are always going to arise. Especially given the birther fuss he made over Obama.

It's not an obligation...

TopHat24/7 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Which ones does Trump need to cover up his?  Obama had 8 years to build up a few winks and nods in the background - you think he's above a nod and a wink in a proverbial 'dark alley'?

Trump isn't even in office yet and you boys are gloating about the Impeachment coming.  There's Fear in the air and it isn't just in America that I scent it.  There is more to the world wide repudiation of Trump by the establishment press and chat merchants than a few comments from him about Mexicans and illegal immigrants.   The Mockingbird tweets again.

Well when you are the first President-eleect in US history to refuse to publish your tax returns.....suspicions are always going to arise.  Especially given the birther fuss he made over Obama.

Nice that you mention it - saves me having to. You of course heard about the most recent forensic findings about that thing on the President's site that calls itself his birth certificate? You heard about it? Of course you did, it was all over the BBC, CNN and European official networks

SecretFly wrote:Which ones does Trump need to cover up his?  Obama had 8 years to build up a few winks and nods in the background - you think he's above a nod and a wink in a proverbial 'dark alley'?

Trump isn't even in office yet and you boys are gloating about the Impeachment coming.  There's Fear in the air and it isn't just in America that I scent it.  There is more to the world wide repudiation of Trump by the establishment press and chat merchants than a few comments from him about Mexicans and illegal immigrants.   The Mockingbird tweets again.

No, there's not. He's a bumhole of the first order as evidenced by every syllable that comes from his mouth.

SecretFly wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Which ones does Trump need to cover up his?  Obama had 8 years to build up a few winks and nods in the background - you think he's above a nod and a wink in a proverbial 'dark alley'?

Trump isn't even in office yet and you boys are gloating about the Impeachment coming.  There's Fear in the air and it isn't just in America that I scent it.  There is more to the world wide repudiation of Trump by the establishment press and chat merchants than a few comments from him about Mexicans and illegal immigrants.   The Mockingbird tweets again.

Well when you are the first President-eleect in US history to refuse to publish your tax returns.....suspicions are always going to arise.  Especially given the birther fuss he made over Obama.

Nice that you mention it - saves me having to.  You of course heard about the most recent forensic findings about that thing on the President's site that calls itself his birth certificate?  You heard about it?  Of course you did, it was all over the BBC, CNN and European official networks

Sorry, I don't wear a tinfoil hat so I don't get the reception I'm afraid...

navyblueshorts wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Which ones does Trump need to cover up his?  Obama had 8 years to build up a few winks and nods in the background - you think he's above a nod and a wink in a proverbial 'dark alley'?

Trump isn't even in office yet and you boys are gloating about the Impeachment coming.  There's Fear in the air and it isn't just in America that I scent it.  There is more to the world wide repudiation of Trump by the establishment press and chat merchants than a few comments from him about Mexicans and illegal immigrants.   The Mockingbird tweets again.

No, there's not. He's a bumhole of the first order as evidenced by every syllable that comes from his mouth.

Yes, there is.

And many of us already have a number of potential 'Why's on the agenda. Oh what an interesting few years to come. Strap yourself in, navy. Make sure you have a window seat - ie, start looking at other sources of 'Fake' news than the heretofore official Fake news channels and papers.

Even more reason to lament how pitiful the Democratic candidate was...(The champion of Women that accepted 25 million from Saudi Arabia)...

That he could say he loved grabbing Women by their puss**s and he still got 41 percent of them to vote for him...

It was angry white men that cost her the election though apparently..

navyblueshorts wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Which ones does Trump need to cover up his?  Obama had 8 years to build up a few winks and nods in the background - you think he's above a nod and a wink in a proverbial 'dark alley'?

Trump isn't even in office yet and you boys are gloating about the Impeachment coming.  There's Fear in the air and it isn't just in America that I scent it.  There is more to the world wide repudiation of Trump by the establishment press and chat merchants than a few comments from him about Mexicans and illegal immigrants.   The Mockingbird tweets again.

Well when you are the first President-eleect in US history to refuse to publish your tax returns.....suspicions are always going to arise.  Especially given the birther fuss he made over Obama.

Nice that you mention it - saves me having to.  You of course heard about the most recent forensic findings about that thing on the President's site that calls itself his birth certificate?  You heard about it?  Of course you did, it was all over the BBC, CNN and European official networks

Sorry, I don't wear a tinfoil hat so I don't get the reception I'm afraid...

Grand, so you only listen to the Brussels Broadcasting Corp (as I heard it get called recently and found the line most amusing)?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Even more reason to lament how pitiful the Democratic candidate was...(The champion of Women that accepted 25 million from Saudi Arabia)...

That he could say he loved grabbing Women by their puss**s and he still got 41 percent of them to vote for him...

It was angry white men that cost her the election though apparently..

Maybe the eternally offended Clan just were irritated that he assumed all women have puss**s? We of course now know that having a p***y is not a definition of a woman. Trump, the backward c**t!

SecretFly wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Which ones does Trump need to cover up his?  Obama had 8 years to build up a few winks and nods in the background - you think he's above a nod and a wink in a proverbial 'dark alley'?

Trump isn't even in office yet and you boys are gloating about the Impeachment coming.  There's Fear in the air and it isn't just in America that I scent it.  There is more to the world wide repudiation of Trump by the establishment press and chat merchants than a few comments from him about Mexicans and illegal immigrants.   The Mockingbird tweets again.

No, there's not. He's a bumhole of the first order as evidenced by every syllable that comes from his mouth.

Yes, there is.  

And many of us already have a number of potential 'Why's on the agenda.  Oh what an interesting few years to come.  Strap yourself in, navy.  Make sure you have a window seat - ie, start looking at other sources of 'Fake' news than the heretofore official Fake news channels and papers.

Oh, I agree it'll be interesting - one way or t'other. As for 'fake' news, you can keep your unsubstantiated, non-expert nutjob sites.

SecretFly wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Which ones does Trump need to cover up his?  Obama had 8 years to build up a few winks and nods in the background - you think he's above a nod and a wink in a proverbial 'dark alley'?

Trump isn't even in office yet and you boys are gloating about the Impeachment coming.  There's Fear in the air and it isn't just in America that I scent it.  There is more to the world wide repudiation of Trump by the establishment press and chat merchants than a few comments from him about Mexicans and illegal immigrants.   The Mockingbird tweets again.

Well when you are the first President-eleect in US history to refuse to publish your tax returns.....suspicions are always going to arise.  Especially given the birther fuss he made over Obama.

Nice that you mention it - saves me having to.  You of course heard about the most recent forensic findings about that thing on the President's site that calls itself his birth certificate?  You heard about it?  Of course you did, it was all over the BBC, CNN and European official networks

Sorry, I don't wear a tinfoil hat so I don't get the reception I'm afraid...

Grand, so you only listen to the Brussels Broadcasting Corp (as I heard it get called recently and found the line most amusing)?

No, I don't, but you conflate everything to be the BBC if you want. The fact that you think that's funny tells me all I need to know. It's that sort of infantilising narrative that's led us to where we currently are - it's the BBC therefore it must be nonsense. Confirmation bias at its worse - so-and-so says something I don't like, therefore it's not true.

SecretFly wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Even more reason to lament how pitiful the Democratic candidate was...(The champion of Women that accepted 25 million from Saudi Arabia)...

That he could say he loved grabbing Women by their puss**s and he still got 41 percent of them to vote for him...

It was angry white men that cost her the election though apparently..

Maybe the eternally offended Clan just were irritated that he assumed all women have puss**s?  We of course now know that having a p***y is not a definition of a woman.  Trump, the backward c**t!

Well, you certainly got that right anyway.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:It's not an obligation...

Only a moral one.

Ergo don't if you have no morals or simply something to hide............such as a multi-billion carried loss that's allowed you to avoid tax for the last 25 years....

SecretFly wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Which ones does Trump need to cover up his?  Obama had 8 years to build up a few winks and nods in the background - you think he's above a nod and a wink in a proverbial 'dark alley'?

Trump isn't even in office yet and you boys are gloating about the Impeachment coming.  There's Fear in the air and it isn't just in America that I scent it.  There is more to the world wide repudiation of Trump by the establishment press and chat merchants than a few comments from him about Mexicans and illegal immigrants.   The Mockingbird tweets again.

Well when you are the first President-eleect in US history to refuse to publish your tax returns.....suspicions are always going to arise.  Especially given the birther fuss he made over Obama.

Nice that you mention it - saves me having to.  You of course heard about the most recent forensic findings about that thing on the President's site that calls itself his birth certificate?  You heard about it?  Of course you did, it was all over the BBC, CNN and European official networks

Be happy you have Trump and not a GOP nut like Cruz..Because the GOP own Congress and will soon own the Supreme Court.

A war mongering one per center could do a lot of damage with the state of Washington.

PS: thread makes for hilarious reading watching Truss defend his boy Trump at every possible turn.

Truss would back a I can't spell diddler if he was Yank!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Be happy you have Trump and not a GOP nut like Cruz..Because the GOP own Congress and will soon own the Supreme Court.

A war mongering one per center could do a lot of damage with the state of Washington.

So Trump then?

Or is he excused because he's a 0.001%-er not just a bog standard 1%-er?

navyblueshorts wrote:
No, I don't, but you conflate everything to be the BBC if you want. The fact that you think that's funny tells me all I need to know. It's that sort of infantilising narrative that's led us to where we currently are - it's the BBC therefore it must be nonsense. Confirmation bias at its worse - so-and-so says something I don't like, therefore it's not true.

Now you're getting it.  The very definition of 'Fake' News. Good going.  Now, how often have you fallen under those wheels, navy?  T

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Be happy you have Trump and not a GOP nut like Cruz..Because the GOP own Congress and will soon own the Supreme Court.

A war mongering one per center could do a lot of damage with the state of Washington.

So Trump then?

Or is he excused because he's a 0.001%-er not just a bog standard 1%-er?

Trump hasn't got any ideology he is interested in Trump.

Cruz has ideology and mixed with real power that is dangerous ...Especially to things like Roe v Wade..

Last time we had GOP houses and a GOP President for any length of time was in the 20s and we ended up with the 18th amendment till 1933..
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Cruz.... oh God, still not on about him? A nose as long as the caricature Nixon's was. No - much too smoove a character for my liking. But why do guys like that attract voters? They've been doing it for centuries. Guys that you wouldn't exactly want for a next door neighbour, they end up being your local politician.

Bernie's next door neighbours are more my kind of people - honest, decent, hard working, blue collar workers with salt-of-the-earth smiles and willing to mow your lawn for you when you're away getting groceries at the nearest foodbank.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Be happy you have Trump and not a GOP nut like Cruz..Because the GOP own Congress and will soon own the Supreme Court.

A war mongering one per center could do a lot of damage with the state of Washington.

Yup, that's at least one positive I guess. Sad that the other alternative GOPs seem to be universally thought to be so scary.

SecretFly wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:
No, I don't, but you conflate everything to be the BBC if you want. The fact that you think that's funny tells me all I need to know. It's that sort of infantilising narrative that's led us to where we currently are - it's the BBC therefore it must be nonsense. Confirmation bias at its worse - so-and-so says something I don't like, therefore it's not true.

Now you're getting it.  The very definition of 'Fake' News.  Good going.   Now, how often have you fallen under those wheels, navy?  T

Oh, I'm sure I have those tyre tracks on occasion. Don't we all? I guess I think that infantile demagogues are worth less attention than the others. Pity it's their season, apparently.

Labour are expecting to lose the Copeland by election.

An opposition losing a safe seat to the incumbent Tories who are struggling with looking competent.

Britain needs an opposition party..Ridiculous.

Extremely rare for oppo parties to lose by-elections. Have a sneaking feeling Labour will just edge Tories out of Copeland and UKIP out of Stoke (with Tory splitting 'that' vote a little).

Corbyn will laud it as some kind of triumph and endorsement of his mandate.

Tories should take a risk and not field in Stoke. Let UKIP wipe Labour out. Labour losing a seat is bigger than Tories coming a closer second/third.

Careful what you wish for Toppy, May is going to be even more of a lefty than corbyn if she keeps this shyte up

Hmm, The rump has just signed an executive order withdrawing from NAFTA

or TPP

Stoke was heavily Brexit..So you would think if UKIP can't win there against the Labour shower..

They are finished..

Tough one for May and the Tories..Corbyn is their greatest asset.

Wipe outs lead to consequences.

All a bit meh. Tories look aimless, Corbyn continues to be about as effective as a plaster on a stab wound, the SNP are busy manoeuvring into another referendum and Tim Farron continues to brandish his 9 MPs as if they're a game changer

Not sure about the SNP wanting a referendum anytime soon......

WST Poll....Scottish independence Yes/No

June 2016.....................Yes 47%..............No 41%..

Nov 2016......................Yes 38%.............No 49%..

Obviously pollsters aren't in vogue.....But it will be concerning.

May 2016................SNP 51%....Con 19%...Lab 15%.........

Jan 2017................SNP 45%....Con 24%...Lab 14%.........

The Tories are profiting from a decline in support for the SNP.....

Labour 3rd party in Scotland now by a good margin it seems..

Labour lose Copeland to tories.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39064149

Hold Stoke but smaller majority and loss of vote share - UKIP/Tory split here.

Corbin has to just go, first time in 35 years a sitting government has won a seat in a by election apparently. First time anyone but Labour has held that seat.

The Tories keep walking face first into every door they can find.

And Labour still lose a seat they've held for over half a century to them.

Don't see how Corbyn and supporters can keep justifying this is a movement that most people are interested in.

Was the Labour guy a pro or anti Corbynite?

Not sure. The guy who quit was a front bencher if memory serves

Just as well they held Stoke. That wouldve been nuclear

turnout saved them in stoke. without the brexit fervour those voters didn't fancy the weather.

tory split the right vote too.

I think we can all breathe a sigh of relief that Nuttall didn't make it.

Hillsborough killed off his challenge

He killed himself, he's an absolute tool.

Shouldn't be an issue for a UKIPper.

BBC comparing May to John Major???

I listened to her - and in her determined 'I'll do it my way' attitude and in not being afraid to take the Conservatives away from their comfort zone in appealing to the very people Labour usually cling to...I'm afraid she's more Teresa Trump.

Come on now, there's no denying it.  She's gaining brazen strength - Angela will find she hasn't got a ...em...p-ussy...to deal with when those Brexit negotiations start.

So we have a Conservative government that is running the NHS into the ground (through austerity rather than ideology), huge uncertainty over the economy and Brexit and a relatively charismaless leader. And they are able to pick up seats in by-elections.

I saw a comment elsewhere that asked: Is Jeremy Corbyn the best Leader of the Opposition any Prime Minister has been blessed with?

SecretFly wrote:BBC comparing May to John Major???

I listened to her - and in her determined 'I'll do it my way' attitude and in not being afraid to take the Conservatives away from their comfort zone in appealing to the very people Labour usually cling to...I'm afraid she's more Teresa Trump.

Come on now, there's no denying it.  She's gaining brazen strength - Angela will find she hasn't got a ...em...p-ussy...to deal with when those Brexit negotiations start.

Quite like May in many ways. Not a politician in the (recently) trendy Blairite mould i.e. someone who might actually merit being PM. Don't agree with all she says, but she seems calm, considered and she's at least experienced in politics. Everything that a-hole in the White House isn't, for example.

Her lies are more dangerous for us though . She's a lunatic that isn't contained by such a robust opposition as the American constitution. From trying to target the children of illegals, mass deporting of Indian students guilty or no. Her mein kampf speech to the tory party conference and then her repeated lies depending on who the audience is. She's solid in that she doesn't have the slick salesman like delivery ala Blair or Cameron. But she's just as much of a liar and more dangerous than either to us.

navyblueshorts wrote:

SecretFly wrote:BBC comparing May to John Major???

I listened to her - and in her determined 'I'll do it my way' attitude and in not being afraid to take the Conservatives away from their comfort zone in appealing to the very people Labour usually cling to...I'm afraid she's more Teresa Trump.

Come on now, there's no denying it.  She's gaining brazen strength - Angela will find she hasn't got a ...em...p-ussy...to deal with when those Brexit negotiations start.

Quite like May in many ways. Not a politician in the (recently) trendy Blairite mould i.e. someone who might actually merit being PM. Don't agree with all she says, but she seems calm, considered and she's at least experienced in politics. Everything that a-hole in the White House isn't, for example.

'Experienced in politics' is what the world needs less of. Drain that damn swamp. Politicians worldwide have given us the mess that the a-hole had an easy time mocking to get himself in. And no, in her dressing down of the police when she was Home Secretary... that was teeth and attitude not calm and considered.

Drain that swamp, and fill it with far-right news-station owners and billionaire oil executives.

dummy_half wrote:So we have a Conservative government that is running the NHS into the ground (through austerity rather than ideology), huge uncertainty over the economy and Brexit and a relatively charismaless leader. And they are able to pick up seats in by-elections.

I saw a comment elsewhere that asked: Is Jeremy Corbyn the best Leader of the Opposition any Prime Minister has been blessed with?

Trumps got bucket loads of that, it's why he won, wanna swap??