Euro 2016 Discussion

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Kompany to miss Euro 2016

Their best two players are Kante and Payet

compelling and rich wrote:pogbas a youtube player, capable of some magnificent strikes

everytime ive watched him live never been overly impressed. perhaps its just the games ive watched.

He's not that great at all and by no means is he world class, people just want him to be better than he is.

I prefer to judge players over a season in European competition rather than 1 game against Romania. Pogba has everything, a fantastic player just needs to improve his decision making. The fact every top team in the world are after him for a nigh on world record fee shows those in the know how good he is.

Everyone said Neymar was a youtube player too

Oh yeah, Kante and Payet are just judged on that game.

Stop being defensive Dolph I'm sure Monty were referring to Pogba only.

Would also say re Pogba, there's a slight hint of sour grapes.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Oh yeah, Kante and Payet are just judged on that game.

Griezman and Pogba have been doing it a lot longer than a single season, they are also much younger and play at a much higher level. Both already reached the champions league finals, rather than having a good season in the fledgling Premier League.

Evra casually kicking an Albanian in the face.

Regardless, and not that I agree with your point, but both are more important players to this team

I'd have still played Pogba before Matuidi especially against Albania. Not sure he really adds anything.

monty junior wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Oh yeah, Kante and Payet are just judged on that game.

Griezman and Pogba have been doing it a lot longer than a single season, they are also much younger and play at a much higher level. Both already reached the champions league finals, rather than having a good season in the fledgling Premier League.

Not like Kante just won the Premier League.

Pogba looks better than he is in Italy because it's pedestrian and lacking in overall quality, no doubting he's a good player but he's not undroppable.

As for every top team wanting him, those rumours have persisted for 3 years now and nothing has happened, suggests to me they're not actually after him.

Griezman is also 8 days older than Kante

Albania doing well. France lifeless and insipid.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Regardless, and not that I agree with your point, but both are more important players to this team

Well they've been even worse than against Romania and can't create a thing. Also the two didn't even play for France until March (Payet was sometimes a squad player) and they'd been churning out results for the previous couple of years without them..

Their 4 best players aren't on the field.

Turns out dropping Griezmann (one of the best forward players in Europe) for an inconsistent youngster (Martial) isn't a good move

Playing two holding midfielders against Albania also bizarre

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Turns out dropping Griezmann (one of the best forward players in Europe) for an inconsistent youngster (Martial) isn't a good move

Playing two holding midfielders against Albania also bizarre

France need to stop p!ssing about and put Pogba and Griezmann on.

France are actually going backward since Brazil. Martial hasn't been very useful so far. Expect Pogba to come in , need some structure in midfield. Not sure why Digne hasn't replaced Evra yet...

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

monty junior wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Oh yeah, Kante and Payet are just judged on that game.

Griezman and Pogba have been doing it a lot longer than a single season, they are also much younger and play at a much higher level. Both already reached the champions league finals, rather than having a good season in the fledgling Premier League.

Not like Kante just won the Premier League.

Pogba looks better than he is in Italy because it's pedestrian and lacking in overall quality, no doubting he's a good player but he's not undroppable.

As for every top team wanting him, those rumours have persisted for 3 years now and nothing has happened, suggests to me they're not actually after him.

Griezman is also 8 days older than Kante

He was voted best young player at the world cup when he was 21, he has reached a champions league final and plays at a team that is better than any English side. Kante is great at what he does, he is important like Makelele and Deschamps was before but more players could do his job to a level than Pogba's.

He's only 23, no need to go to Barcelona just yet, plus he is the face of Juventus, they absolutely will do anything to keep him including quadrupling his wages. Zidane said only two weeks ago that Real Madrid were after him, ignorance is bliss

no one here is saying pogba is a bad player, just simply not one of the best midfielders in the world like hes being touted by so many

he a big strong quick midfielder with a good shot. he's got nothing on the likes of inestia/modric in to how to control a game from midfield. he sometimes looks unplayable with his power but so does dembele every so often, and nobody is touting him as the worlds best. still got a long way to go for me pogba from what ive seen (not just the Romania game)

Matuidi and Kante make sense against a Spain or Germany when you need workrate to disrupt their midfield. Against Albania they offer little.

Martial a little overhyped at this stage of his career, Griezmann has proven his ability against the best in Europe, more than a tad harsh

No offense C&R, but saying he doesn't control a game like Iniesta or Modric is a bit like saying Messi doesn't hold the ball up like Zlatan.

landon Donavan, podolski, Manuel Amoros, Antonio Cabrini, Władysław Żmuda have all won that award also. not many of them ripped it up at the very highest level

even the likes of owen went down hill after that.

GSC wrote:No offense C&R, but saying he doesn't control a game like Iniesta or Modric is a bit like saying Messi doesn't hold the ball up like Zlatan.

I know I picked the two best at it but its what all centre mids should aspire too and the thing pogba is lacking for me at the very highest level. he's a lot more reliant on his physical attributes than his technical

don't worry he'll score a screamer against mighty Albania now to "prove" me wrong

Well he achieved more than all of them already.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

monty junior wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Oh yeah, Kante and Payet are just judged on that game.

Griezman and Pogba have been doing it a lot longer than a single season, they are also much younger and play at a much higher level. Both already reached the champions league finals, rather than having a good season in the fledgling Premier League.

Not like Kante just won the Premier League.

Pogba looks better than he is in Italy because it's pedestrian and lacking in overall quality, no doubting he's a good player but he's not undroppable.

As for every top team wanting him, those rumours have persisted for 3 years now and nothing has happened, suggests to me they're not actually after him.

Griezman is also 8 days older than Kante

Is that the same Italy in which all those Italians which everyone raved on about the other day? The one which Pogba was in team of the year? Or should we just judge him on 70m play?

Albania hit the post.

monty junior wrote:Well he achieved more than all of them already.

why, winning the league in a one team league? or one champions league final that was mainly on the back of his teams excellent defence. he hardly dragged the team to the final himself. there were several more important players in that team

I've got England going out to France in the Quarters (after drawing with Wales, beating Slovakia, and then defeating...some team (Hungary?) in the last 16), but I might have to revise that judgement based on how poor France have been over 140 minutes so far.

Pogba should have hit the target. great ball.

I think you might have to just on the basis we're not getting out the group dooty

Fernando wrote:I think you might have to just on the basis we're not getting out the group dooty

I can see a path through to the semi-finals for this England team.

Give me a few more days and I'll have England winning the bloody thing.

(Four years today, incidentally, that England stuffed Sweden 3-2 thanks to Theo)

compelling and rich wrote:

monty junior wrote:Well he achieved more than all of them already.

why, winning the league in a one team league? or one champions league final that was mainly on the back of his teams excellent defence. he hardly dragged the team to the final himself. there were several more important players in that team

Wes Brown- Two time Champions league winner.

Worth remembering that Pogba should have been sent off against Honduras if the referee hadn't bottled it.

Imagine taking off Coman and leaving Matuidi on there - Deschamps what are you doing

monty junior wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Regardless, and not that I agree with your point, but both are more important players to this team

Well they've been even worse than against Romania and can't create a thing. Also the two didn't even play for France until March (Payet was sometimes a squad player) and they'd been churning out results for the previous couple of years without them..

Their 4 best players aren't on the field.

Created quite a few chances really. And not being picked by a Deschamps who many laughed at for this, especially the Payet stuff as he'd been superb before joining us, and in a squad that hasnt played a competitive game from World Cup to Euros doesnt worry me. Payet ran the show against Romania and is doing so here

as much as I like kante, he's wasted in this French team against the smaller sides. majority of his best work goes on off the ball. against sides like this the French will have nearly 80% possession. should save him against the bigger sides

Coman was probably the best French attacking player so far... Not sure why take him out ..Giroud wasting so many chances.

Pogba being a greedy nonce, Could of played 2 in but went alone and lost it.

compelling and rich wrote:as much as I like kante, he's wasted in this French team against the smaller sides. majority of his best work goes on off the ball. against sides like this the French will have nearly 80% possession. should save him against the bigger sides

Their route is counter attack though, not sure theres any defensive player id want in midfield more than Kante when teams want to counter attack

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:as much as I like kante, he's wasted in this French team against the smaller sides. majority of his best work goes on off the ball. against sides like this the French will have nearly 80% possession. should save him against the bigger sides

Their route is counter attack though, not sure theres any defensive player id want in midfield more than Kante when teams want to counter attack

He's not been very good tonight - passing poor

It's Kante or Matuidi in games against sides France should expect to beat. Kante is the form player of the two

I really am looking pogba to convince me here but all he's done is give it away

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:as much as I like kante, he's wasted in this French team against the smaller sides. majority of his best work goes on off the ball. against sides like this the French will have nearly 80% possession. should save him against the bigger sides

Their route is counter attack though, not sure theres any defensive player id want in midfield more than Kante when teams want to counter attack

matudi as bad as hes been tonight has more than enough legs to cover that and normally gives more going forward. bad day at the office for most tonight to be fair

Giroud being booed off despite hitting the post, Former Marseille player Gignac on.

GSC wrote:It's Kante or Matuidi in games against sides France should expect to beat. Kante is the form player of the two

Agree Kante only really starts because of Diarra late injury. He was seen as a replacement for Matuidi in reality. Think he also plays a bit higher in midfield for Leicester ?

France just don't seem to have any pattern of play. They would've done much better playing someone like Gameiro, they lack any fluidity. Player's out of position. Payet has been great this second half. In the same way it made no sense to play both Witsel and Naingollan so often for Belgium against smaller sides it makes no sense to play Kante and Matuidi.

Also Coman has to start against the Swiss.

How many easy headers can they keep on missing ffs...

Pogba is having a mare

pogba=bambi on ice with calton palmers touch

Late again!

France 1-0 Albania - Griezmann

The late show again, but they're pants