Euro 2016 Discussion

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Thats an awful pass from Kane

Why on earth was Hodgson allowed to continue after the World Cup?

Wasn't it obvious then he just doesn't have the ability to inspire or instil passion? I could go on but let's just say useless isn't the word to describe him or his England team tonight.

That's the worst knockout performance I can remember. Happy to see the most backwards manager in my lifetime sent packing.

Rooney? Was sadly one of the better players for us this tournament. He probably is done, but I wouldn't be kicking him away. We took him out of attack and stopped scoring goals. And our midfield options are depressing.

But this is the manager's elimination. He has no idea. He's picked the youngest side, but made no moves to give England identity or verve. Scared of players outside the elite, there are players on beaches right now that have outplayed so many of those players this year. We had no plan b, the wrong squad, no best team and no idea. Roy goes down as a Graham Taylor and Steve McLaren.

Who now? I don't think I could support any English candidate but Howe. Pardew has a shout, but his teams capitulate so badly the longer he manages them.

None of them should be allowed to wear the shirt again - not one single player

Hodgson should be fed to the Russian hooligans

nadeem2099 wrote:Rashford did more in his cameo than the whole team combined.

That is the worst decision I can remember from an England manager, he was ready to come after 75 minutes but Hodgson waits until the 87th minute to bring him on, he's good but he's not that good. The game was crying out for his pace and directness from the start but he persists with making pre planned substitutions; Vardy is willing but he was never going to make a difference in that game.

I think that's probably the worst result for England ever. Iceland are tiny and as well as they have done in the tournament, the gap in resources, population, footballing structure, footballing history and the calibre of players makes this a hugely embarrassing result.

Can't believe Hodgson gambled on Kane and Sterling again, after their performances they shouldn't even have been used as subs. Kane's stock must have plummeted from that tournament, he was England's worst player.

I think Hart has got to look over his shoulder now, Butland and Forster have both had very good seasons and Hart looked shaky this tournament, mistakes in the Wales and Iceland game. Rumours that Guardiola will look to replace him as well, he probably isn't the kind of keeper that suits that style of play. 

Hodgson is definitely gone, wonder if Eddie Howe will be approached. Really not sure who to bring in. Of English managers, genuinely think Sam Allardyce would be the most effective. Think this should be the end for Wayne Rooney, not good enough and maybe he'll improve at club level with international retirement. Gary Cahill is likely done as well, not sure Stones is at all ready to replace him. Jack Wilshere has got to prove his fitness before he's selected again. Can't believe he got the number of minutes he did, didn't look fit at all.

I genuinely feel sorry for Jack Wilshere too, fully fit or not his ability to give and go is so superior to anyone else on the pitch it makes him completely ineffective, he's actually too good for England.

The fact Hodgson froze will live with me a long time. It's rare you get to see a manager be bad in one specific instance, that however was one. Rashford looked great, looked like everything our side was missing. And he got 7 minutes overall.

Dier needs to be a centre back and play with Stones. Smalling and Cahill are Poopie, whilst Dier would look like a good ball player in defence he is exposed as a passer in midfield.

Barkley comes away unscathed. Lallana actually enhanced his reputation for me.

Bet people are not laughing at the Andy Carroll plan b people were floating now...

Hiring Sam Allardyce would probably do it for me in killing off any interest in England.

But really need someone who can change the mind set of this team. Possibly Pardew, we could badly use a touch of arrogance. Too early for Howe I think.

Think this is the second-worst England performance at a tournament I've ever seen - England against Algeria, I think, was worse.

Either way. Atrocious. Wrong formation; wrong team selection; no tempo; basics faltered; poor substitutions.

You f*cking clowns

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I genuinely feel sorry for Jack Wilshere too, fully fit or not his ability to give and go is so superior to anyone else on the pitch it makes him completely ineffective, he's actually too good for England.

This is why I defended his selection. Also picked out the only balls over the top.

Well done Iceland we got what we deserved nothing, time for Roy and his dinosaur backroom staff to go, and Rooney needs to retire from International football and join his other previous under achievers.

3 kittens on the shirt more like, the biggest underachieving country in the world, lets all get our 1966 DVD's out again.

I can't believe it.

You complete morons

What is Harry Redknapp up to these days ?

Totally agree that the Rashford substitution was too late, what was the point of taking him when Roy was so reluctant to use him with enough time to make a difference? 

I do think Hodgson is the one to blame, Euro 2012 ended up being his best tournament as manager and that was hardly fantastic, and he'd barely had enough time with the team to take credit for that. 

I do however have a degree of sympathy for him, key players who played really well in the Premier League season completely let him down. Harry Kane for me was the worst player England had, he offered nothing, terrible final ball, bad movement, no ability in the air, bad at set-pieces. Yet this is the same Harry Kane who led Tottenham's line single handed all season. Dele Alli was also poor, he's young so should be given the benefit of the doubt; but he didn't show any of his club form. Like Kane he looked leggy and tired. 

I think he was far too slow to react to the quite obvious indications that certain players weren't working, bar half-time of the Wales game, but even then he made the same mistakes against Iceland! He put too much faith that those players would come good. There simply isn't time at an international tournament. He claimed to play Sterling to add width, but he didn't do that at all and offered just as little bar winning the penalty. All Hodgson managed to do was harm Sterling's confidence even further.

GSC wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I genuinely feel sorry for Jack Wilshere too, fully fit or not his ability to give and go is so superior to anyone else on the pitch it makes him completely ineffective, he's actually too good for England.

This is why I defended his selection. Also picked out the only balls over the top.

Dare I say it, it's why I don't begrudge Scholes retiring, having inferior players picked instead of you must truly suck. You simply do not play in Wenger's midfield if you're not brilliant on the ball, he has many shortcomings as a manager but that is not one of them.

Not surprised at all to see England lose as they're just not that good.

Also surprised when people said it was better for England to play Iceland rather than Portugal and stuff like that. Iceland made it through to the knock out stages on merit. To much snobbery from the English media and from a few people that I know personally.

Congratulations to Iceland.

Moyes for England?

I don't think it's really snobbery to say we should beat Iceland. Hence the inquest now

Quarter-Finals (Predictions in bold)

Poland-Portugal
Wales-Belgium
Germany-Italy
France-Iceland

Might as well selected that complete nob Corbyn and be done with it. Can hardly be more embarrassing

Reading off a sheet of paper. Says it all about the bloke.

Hodgson's resigned!

Hahah Roy reading a printed sheet he's leaving

Rooney gets blame because as captain his job is to pick up the pieces and lead either with his voice or his performance...he did neither! He was absolutely abysmal and what's worse is other midfielders, in fact the whole teams shape was determined by shoe horning him.

Now that's not his fault..it's his managers and that man has from the get go been an abject failure in his reign I don't care what anyone says. The signs have been there way before this; our preparation leading into 2014 WC was shocking (in fact I'm pretty sure he didn't know his best team or system leading into that one). as was said a minute ago by Dolphin their were better players sat on the beaches. It's been a reoccurring problem for past ten years...so those above Hodgson are to blame too because the FA only ever hit yes men...it's why Clough never got the job!

Tactics....team sheet...preparation. We got absolutely everything wrong. And yes the players in general are also to blame. Lacked a leader, lacked cohesion and lacked passion once more. I do however refuse to believe that the likes of Alli, Kane, Sturridge (no matter how injury prone) Barkely, Dier, etc are not at the least good players who can become very good and should be beating the likes of Iceland. It's no coincidence that Dier, Alli, Kane all underperformed...and tiredness is a sad issue as plenty of players includes those in the Iceland team have had longer seasons.

The signs were there from the group stage...looked shaky at the back when we were attacked (we did after all concede in two of three), we lacked urgency and movement and we lacked cutting edge. The players can do all three they have shown it at club level...sadly the manager did nothing to rectify these problems instead he falsely led them to believe everything was ok and the tide would turn. He genuinely believed it too...that's why he stuck with Kane and Sterling..it's why he made such poor subs and waited so long to bring on his last sub.

Look at him, not an ounce of remorse.

He had that already prepared, like it was inevitable

Roy Hodgson resigns in a pre prepared statement.

Says it all.

But England are still winning the World Cup in 2022, right?

Well I respect him for resigning, he could have taken the sack and some money

Apparently Roy Hodgson had prepared his resignation speech before the game. That was his plan b - to resign.

alfie wrote:And I have to go to work in an office full of Aussies now ...really looking forward to the " sympathetic" comments

Ah well ; could mention the rugby...

There is that. Good that we still have something to be cheerful about.

Southgate
Pardew
Neville
Lol

Gareth Southgate the favourite?! Good Lord.

Southgate! How inspiring.

Ian Wright don't want no foreigners. They don't do nothing for us.

8/1 so more likely than an Iceland win 2 hours ago

Neville gone as well so you can strike his name.

If Brenda actually wanted it I wouldn't mind but he's at Celtic. Pardew of that list for me I guess.

Carroll, Townsend, Antonio, Noble, Drinkwater should all be in that squad. He had a look at two, and picked no option over Townsend and injured Henderson and really gambled on Wilshere. Milner needn't be there, Sterling was out of form and was our only pacey wide option.

He picked the wrong squad and that told me we'd fail from there.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/england/next-permanent-manager

Summed up - the bookmakers don't really know.

Never mind - we'll win the World Cup in 2018, right?

Frank de boer?

Duty281 wrote:Gareth Southgate the favourite?! Good Lord.

Holy Poopie NO! I'm gonna have nightmares now!

Duty281 wrote:
Ian Wright don't want no foreigners. They don't do nothing for us.

Beggars can't be choosers. At this point I'd take an Azerbaijani coach if he could get us winning tournaments. Seriously though I'd go for a German, French, Spanish or Dutch coach with a decent track record (domestic if not international). Couldn't be any worse...


Might be tempted to see if we could poach Martin O'Neill from ROI.

Wonder if the Icelandic commentator has any voice left tonight.

No eye for a player, I've always said it.

Pardew would take it no questions.

But Howe would be my choice. Young, new ideas, no interest in reputations, has got a style and has an eye for a player. He'll know who he wants in his squad and will not fear youth. Philosophy, can clearly coach football too. That's key, he can make players better by playing to his style.

"Iceland will hope they get a set-play or a goal on a rare breakaway — it is the only chance you have when you are playing a team that is on a different level to you, like England are."

Harry Redknapp earlier today.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Carroll, Townsend, Antonio, Noble, Drinkwater should all be in that squad. He had a look at two, and picked no option over Townsend and injured Henderson and really gambled on Wilshere. Milner needn't be there, Sterling was out of form and was our only pacey wide option.

He picked the wrong squad and that told me we'd fail from there.

Carroll and Townsend instead of Milner and Henderson would have made sense; despite his form Drinkwater simply is not good enough, if Wilshere was fit enough to go he should have been fit enough to start.

Why on earth would Southgate be favourite, seeing as he led the u21's at Euro 2015 & they didn't even make it out the group, in fact came bottom.

Duty281 wrote:"Iceland will hope they get a set-play or a goal on a rare breakaway — it is the only chance you have when you are playing a team that is on a different level to you, like England are."

Harry Redknapp earlier today.

TBF thats exactly what they did. Good old Harry - he usually is spot on!

whocares wrote:
Wonder if the Icelandic commentator has any voice left tonight.

He's probably using sign language, or writing on a flip chart.