5000-1 - The 2016/17 Premier League thread

[Dolphin Ziggler]

First topic message reminder :

The other thread is coming to an end and I think it's nice to have a new memory to take us through this year.

And with the new season starting today, what better time to refresh things and start again. The preamble of pre-season is over: 2016/17 LETS BE AVIN YA

[compelling and rich]

just sounds like a spoilt brat throwing his toys out of his pram to me

[Guest]

just sounds like a spoilt brat throwing his toys out of his pram to me

Two years ago:

Yaya Toure considering leaving Manchester City 'because the club failed to wish him happy birthday'

Ivorian midfielder confirms his agent Dimitry Seluk's argument that he feels disrespected, despite Man City releasing video showing they did sing and give him a cake

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10842712/Yaya-Toure-considering-leaving-Manchester-City-because-the-club-failed-to-wish-him-happy-birthday.html

Six months ago

Manchester City midfielder Yaya Toure has reacted angrily after failing to win the Confederation of African Football's player of the year award. The 32-year-old, who captained Ivory Coast to Africa Cup of Nations success last year, was second behind Gabon striker Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang.

"I think that's what makes the shame of Africa," he told Radio France International.
"To behave in this way is indecent! But what can we do?"

In a vote of coaches and technical directors of Caf nations, Borussia Dortmund forward Aubameyang got 143 points, with Toure on 136 and Ghana and Swansea midfielder Andre Ayew on 112. Toure, BBC African footballer of the year for 2015, had won the Caf award in each of the previous four years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35267662

Yaya Toure is the joint highest paid player at Man City getting a basic £220,000 a week before bonuses in the previous season.
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/manchester-city-player-salaries/

[dyrewolfe]

He is also the joint biggest twonk in football, with Mourinho.

Has an ego as big as his paycheque.

[Guest]

Yaya the person is a wally but must be regarded as one of the best big game players in the PL era. Been a giant for City and sad the way it's ending.

[Guest]

Yaya's been phoning it in for a while now. He has a 10 min spell when he totally dominates a game and turns it on it's head but outside of that he plays like it's too much effort.

[Guest]

Rooney dropped

[compelling and rich]

needed to happen, the balance in midfield still doesn't look right to me though. no protection whatsoever

[compelling and rich]

we look so much better without rooney slowing everything down. mata showing he's still our best player technically

[compelling and rich]

protection hasnt been a issue as Leicester have just sat back and let us play

[Guest]

Post Rooney era looking good, although Leicester look so off the pace this year

3-0 Rashford

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

It might be a good idea for Leicester to start defending at corners

[Guest]

4-0 Pogba

[compelling and rich]

well rooney will do well to get back in, 3 years of constant whinging about him needing dropping its finally happened. bout time everybody caught up (even dolph's going to struggle to defend him this time)

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Yeah, it's taken 3 years so you must have been right all along.

Mourinho confirming his expensive Allardyce tag. Great set piece work

[compelling and rich]

weve been rubbish for three years, not all waynes fault but when the managers have been building their team around him it has cost us.

you must have missed all the chances we have created and missed from open play dolph

[Dolphin Ziggler]

You'd be naive to think this has been a four goal haul cos you dropped Rooney. Or really that he'd been a major reason for the past three years.

Happy to see Mata and Herrera playing and playing well.

[compelling and rich]

the reason why herrera and mata haven't been playing is because we have been trying to shoe horn rooney in.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Well that's where the problem is; Rooney is only one player

[Jermaine2015]

A team wearing the Manchester United jersey which after a long time is playing like the old Manchester United. A sort of 4/3/3 which has always been Mourinho's favoured modus operandi. As much as everyone loves a trier, Felliani isn't and never will the type of player suited to Manchester United. Pogba flanked by Herrera and Mata is similar to what Pirlo and Marchiso offered Pogba in Turin. Herrera also offers extra legs in midfield which UFC superstar Felliani can't offer. Without Rooney stinking out the joint in the final third, there's more space for Zlatan, Rashford and Lingard to exploit. Factoring in that without Rooney, the two wide men carry genuine pace and menace. Factoring in the injured duo Martial and Mkhitaryan, this Manchester United looks a force.

[compelling and rich]

Well that's where the problem is; Rooney is only one player

a player who plays in the most important position in a attacking sense

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Oh god I was kidding, I dont care enough

[GSC]

Rooney punted, the system changed to suit the rest of the team and United look miles better.

Who knew?

[GSC]

The follow up act was always going to be tough for Leicester. Might target a CL run over more league success

[Guest]

Tony Pulis strangling his 1000th match today

[compelling and rich]

Tony Pulis strangling his 1000th match today

fairly apt to be fair

[Guest]

I wonder where Moyes will go next?

[Ent]

I wonder where Moyes will go next?

Retirement.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Laugh at Luiz, and people do, but he's on another planet compared to Cahill and Ivanovic

[Guest]

I'm loving all of this reaction about how we have lost one game and apparently Conte doesn't work.

Before tonight we have been good.

You haven't been good at all & I still think Conte is a million miles away from having the squad that he wants. Need a massive clearout at Chelsea, not quite sure why it didn't happen this summer.

[Ent]

Yeah haven't been that impressed with Chelsea.

It's basically mourinhos team not having a strop with less attacking threat.

Can't judge conte until he gets his own side together.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Ivanovic hasn't been good for five years, Cahill is poo, playing Kante DM and Matic CM is baffling, worrying times

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Can we just get rid of Sunderland already - constantly stinking up the league, be done with them

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Middlesbrough have a drum

Relegate them too

[Crimey]

Great performance yesterday, was slightly concerned that we were heading to another Burnley, but it was a very professional performance. Hull are down, Liverpool could have scored 7,8 9 goals in that game, even before the red card they looked really poor.

I wonder what is going to happen with Moyes, Sunderland have been very trigger happy but I imagine they seriously didn't expect Moyes to be this poor. Will he end up having to drop down into the Championship to rebuild his career? It's really depressing really, spent a long time resisting the urge to leave Everton until the perfect role came along and it seemed he found it, sacked quickly by United who haven't exactly been much better since he left. Then showed an eagerness to coach in a foreign country and was atrocious. Returns to a side below Everton's level and he's struggling massively. His career has gone completely backwards.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

All he needs to do is keep them up, so it's an interesting one. Allardyce got a lot of credit, but this season would have been much the same for Allardyce; he'd have wanted survival and survival only. They need to finish above three teams, and Moyes at least has come in and understood that.

[Ent]

United have been a lot better since moyes and a significant part of the decline is down to him.

He did 5 years of damage to the club in his stint.

[dyrewolfe]

I wonder where Moyes will go next?

Retirement.

Probably end up as a pundit on MOTD or BT Sport.


Any credibility he had as a manager is being rapidly destroyed. I also don't see publicly blaming your players having a good result.

That said, you have to question their commitment and attitude, managing to lose from being 2-0 up.

[dyrewolfe]

Middlesbrough have a drum

Relegate them too

Your team should be relegated just for having a special snowflake like you as a supporter.

[Crimey]

Is Dean Saunders the worst pundit currently working? He makes Jamie Redknapp sound like a genius.

I have to keep reminding myself that he's not just Rob Brydon's latest character.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

United have been a lot better since moyes and a significant part of the decline is down to him.

He did 5 years of damage to the club in his stint.

I'm not quite sure how

[Guest]

Is Dean Saunders the worst pundit currently working? He makes Jamie Redknapp sound like a genius.

I have to keep reminding myself that he's not just Rob Brydon's latest character.

I honestly can't think of a worse manager, ever. I know that.

God knows how he gets punditry gigs. A total parody.

[Ent]

United have been a lot better since moyes and a significant part of the decline is down to him.

He did 5 years of damage to the club in his stint.

I'm not quite sure how

Gutted successful backroom team, alienated senior pros leaving a lack of experience, poor transfers in a window where a lot of big moves happened.

Honestly one of the worst managerial reigns in the history of the game.

[Guest]

Graeme Souness's reign at Liverpool takes some beating.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I think thats a touch excessive. Two of those I don't even think are his fault, whilst the first one a lot of people agreed with as they felt it was smarter for a man to have his own team rather than trying to come in and just be Alex Ferguson.

[Crimey]

United have been a lot better since moyes and a significant part of the decline is down to him.

He did 5 years of damage to the club in his stint.

I'm not quite sure how

Gutted successful backroom team, alienated senior pros leaving a lack of experience, poor transfers in a window where a lot of big moves happened.

Honestly one of the worst managerial reigns in the history of the game.

Which senior pros did he alienate? Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra all left after Moyes had gone. Not sure he can be blamed for transfers either, they were clearly the remit of Ed Woodward who completely failed.

Sure, he got rid of the backroom team, but had he not, people would have questioned that. He had to have somewhat of a break from Ferguson and he was comfortable working with people he trusted, I thought he created a decent balance, of the old and the new.

I think the club let Moyes down just as much as he failed them.

[Preacher]

He made Vidic watch videos of Jagielka to learn how to defend.

It's like telling De Niro to take acting lessons from Joey Essex.

[Ent]

United have been a lot better since moyes and a significant part of the decline is down to him.

He did 5 years of damage to the club in his stint.

I'm not quite sure how

Gutted successful backroom team, alienated senior pros leaving a lack of experience, poor transfers in a window where a lot of big moves happened.

Honestly one of the worst managerial reigns in the history of the game.

Which senior pros did he alienate? Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra all left after Moyes had gone. Not sure he can be blamed for transfers either, they were clearly the remit of Ed Woodward who completely failed.

Sure, he got rid of the backroom team, but had he not, people would have questioned that. He had to have somewhat of a break from Ferguson and he was comfortable working with people he trusted, I thought he created a decent balance, of the old and the new.

I think the club let Moyes down just as much as he failed them.

Woodwards done alright on the old transfer front since then.

Fellaini our only signing when the likeable fabregas, kroos, Thiago were on the move.

Vidic and evra signed pre contract agreements whilst he was there.

The whole clubs foundation of backroom staff, experienced winners jettisoned for nobodies, this was a concern in appointing a new manager, especially with regards to mourinho.

Moyes was a disaster, didn't do one thing right.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Simplifying things a touch to say he walked in and said "watch this guy" - you'd have to imagine it was due to how he wanted his role to be. And Vidic was Frak by then anyway.

Thiago and Kross went to bigger and better clubs.

Spend everything and anything you want has been Woodward's MO - and getting better doesn't mean he didn't f*** up at the time.

Again, a lot of people agreed with changing things. If he hadn't and his time had been a failure you'd be pointing at him for not making any changes and being too overawed.

I also question the attitude of some of those older pros as they did not come out of it well. Too settled, too egotistical.

He was by no stretch of the imagination good, but even nearly worst ever reign? Bit of a "world revolves around me" point of view

[Ent]

1st to 5th, crap football to boot, club gutted of backroom staff and experienced pros.

It's like he was undercover for city or something.

[GSC]

The experienced winners were well past their best and needed moving on.

I just found it hilarious how quickly United fan's smug superiority vanished after just 6 months.

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