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Funniest thing to happen in years. Have been following the craziness on the FT. Despite the implications if our current crop of retards manage to push it through I can't remember when I've read the news everyday without fail and learned something new. What does everyone think of the possibility that we stay in the single market, retain freedom of movement. Pay into the EU coffers and lose our vote ??

TopHat24/7 wrote:

You truly are f*cking delinquent.

Shot in the heart, there, Top. You cruel, heartless man.

ShahenshahG wrote:Jeremy Corbyn and Ed Miliband plus the Brexit morons

A good opposition does help......You're right there..

TopHat24/7 wrote:What are the 'nearly 10' U-turns she's made?

And how do you explain Tories increasing their mandate, with an unheralded majority, despite you counting something like four thousand u-turns during their coalition tenure??

EU citizens living in Britain.....
Pre-Article 50 debate...
Grammar schools....
Employees on Company boards...
Her "Education for all bill"...

That's 5 without trying too hard ...

Try harder then. It was your supposition.

Also not sure about the EU citizens point, pretty sure she's always supported a reciprocal agreement. Have grammar schools now been canned again then??

Don't forget her aim to massively increase home ownership. That's also just gone down the toilet.

Now we find out she's effectively bribing Tory counties to secure their future votes.

What a wonderful woman she is.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Try harder then. It was your supposition.

Also not sure about the EU citizens point, pretty sure she's always supported a reciprocal agreement. Have grammar schools now been canned again then??

You should concede more graciously...

Pr4wn wrote:Don't forget her aim to massively increase home ownership. That's also just gone down the toilet.

Now we find out she's effectively bribing Tory counties to secure their future votes.

What a wonderful woman she is.

Did she give them each a pair of a £1,000 trousers ???..

Pr4wn wrote:Don't forget her aim to massively increase home ownership. That's also just gone down the toilet.

Now we find out she's effectively bribing Tory counties to secure their future votes.

What a wonderful woman she is.

'her aim'?

Think it was a Tory aim, pre-May, but Barwell set out a move away from that shortly after she took over.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/09/13/government-edging-away-from-home-ownership-focus-says-housing-mi/

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Don't forget her aim to massively increase home ownership. That's also just gone down the toilet.

Now we find out she's effectively bribing Tory counties to secure their future votes.

What a wonderful woman she is.

'her aim'?

Think it was a Tory aim, pre-May,

You're moaning about supposition three posts up..

You're all over the place...

Oh so she U-turned on her party manifesto promise.

That's much better, my mistake.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Don't forget her aim to massively increase home ownership. That's also just gone down the toilet.

Now we find out she's effectively bribing Tory counties to secure their future votes.

What a wonderful woman she is.

'her aim'?

Think it was a Tory aim, pre-May,

You're moaning about supposition three posts up..

You're all over the place...

I wouldn't expect an uneducated Yank to understand the turn of phrase.

Pr4wn wrote:Oh so she U-turned on her party manifesto promise.

That's much better, my mistake.

Want to point out all Labour's u-turns?

No. Thought not.

She's largely stuck to her guns, whether you & Truss like her/it or not.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Don't forget her aim to massively increase home ownership. That's also just gone down the toilet.

Now we find out she's effectively bribing Tory counties to secure their future votes.

What a wonderful woman she is.

'her aim'?

Think it was a Tory aim, pre-May,

You're moaning about supposition three posts up..

You're all over the place...

I wouldn't expect an uneducated Yank to understand the turn of phrase.

I expected that kind of silly response though......Sorry to say..

Forget Labour's U-turns...You're smoke screening.....

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Oh so she U-turned on her party manifesto promise.

That's much better, my mistake.

Want to point out all Labour's u-turns?

No. Thought not.

She's largely stuck to her guns, whether you & Truss like her/it or not.

No, because that would be whataboutery, a tactic that Secret uses far too often.

Pr4wn wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Oh so she U-turned on her party manifesto promise.

That's much better, my mistake.

Want to point out all Labour's u-turns?

No. Thought not.

She's largely stuck to her guns, whether you & Truss like her/it or not.

No, because that would be whataboutery, a tactic that Secret uses far too often.

Home run...

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/14a986d6-5d11-4797-a018-b924c496724b

Regarding the Irish hard border issue.

Pr4wn wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Oh so she U-turned on her party manifesto promise.

That's much better, my mistake.

Want to point out all Labour's u-turns?

No. Thought not.

She's largely stuck to her guns, whether you & Truss like her/it or not.

No, because that would be whataboutery, a tactic that Secret uses far too often.

Do I have to go back and check whether you left answers to the questions I've put to you some nights ago PR? Or will I find whataboutery responses? You talk so much about Whataboutery, it's quite obvious that you're an expert.

Eh? I think it's time you went to bed, fella.

Did you answer the questions directly?

It was just a quip, snowflake.

Did you answer the questions?


The answer would be 'Yes' or 'No'.

Favorite to be next labour leader Clive Lewis resigns..

Looks a solid guy...Has character and is interesting.

Corbyn isn't built to last...Looks like it's over..

Oddsmakers seem to agree.

Labour could be waking from a bad dream...

An English Obama?

Careful. You all know what comes after Obama.................. Think carefully those that don't want an English Trump.

Obama beats Trump....beats May ???

We'll see..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:Don't forget her aim to massively increase home ownership. That's also just gone down the toilet.

Now we find out she's effectively bribing Tory counties to secure their future votes.

What a wonderful woman she is.

'her aim'?

Think it was a Tory aim, pre-May,

You're moaning about supposition three posts up..

You're all over the place...

I wouldn't expect an uneducated Yank to understand the turn of phrase.

I expected that kind of silly response though......Sorry to say..

Forget Labour's U-turns...You're smoke screening.....

"Forget the stuff about the party I like/support" hahahaha and you accuse ME of smokescreening

Think you've about half a dozen u-turns still to go by the way.....

SecretFly wrote:Did you answer the questions directly?

Swiftly usurping Truss' usual title for most ironic & hypocritical post of the year....

I see the main proposal from the Brexit campaign was that the 350m that goes to Europe go to the NHS instead...

Last night the Campaign leaders voted against such an amendment..

Beyond a joke...

New referendum please..

You believed that bus? Only f*ckwit morons believed it.

The DAY of the result Farage admitted in interview that it was rubbish.

Shouldn't have a second referendum just to protect people from their own stupidity.

It's true. Hopefully Europe doesn't tell us to f*ck off when we go back cap in hand. If it's still there that is.

Tbh, I'm more positive about our negotiating strength and position than you Shah. Think an ok deal will be struck, and in 5 years once we've got some decent agreements with countries outside of the EU we'll not be in too bad a position.

It's just we'll still be no better off than we are now and will have lost 5+ years of economic growth & prosperity with little to show for it. Assuming a cushy 30 year career, half of mine will have been spent in either recession, recovery or stunted growth with no major upcycle to enjoy. FML

I'm less worried about Brexit than I am about the f*ckwits administering it

TopHat24/7 wrote:You believed that bus? Only f*ckwit morons believed it.

The DAY of the result Farage admitted in interview that it was rubbish.

Shouldn't have a second referendum just to protect people from their own stupidity.

Yes I believed it...

Just stop abusing people...It's all you ever do and it isn't clever !!....

It's like people pretending they believe Nine out of Ten cats prefer Whiskas....  

It was a slogan and all of you knew it.  Make UK Great Again.  Literal reading of political pamplets and posters will cause some of you to have bad accidents if you don't cut out the habit.

The 'Stop' sign on the roads.  It doesn't mean Forever.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:You believed that bus? Only f*ckwit morons believed it.

The DAY of the result Farage admitted in interview that it was rubbish.

Shouldn't have a second referendum just to protect people from their own stupidity.

Yes I believed it...

Just stop abusing people...It's all you ever do and it isn't clever !!....

If you didn't believe it then it was a stupid comment. Like you're surprised that a known lie was accepted as a known lie therefore not voted for.

All alternative facts and fake news, no wonder you're such a Trump fan.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:You believed that bus? Only f*ckwit morons believed it.

The DAY of the result Farage admitted in interview that it was rubbish.

Shouldn't have a second referendum just to protect people from their own stupidity.

Yes I believed it...

Just stop abusing people...It's all you ever do and it isn't clever !!....

If you didn't believe it then it was a stupid comment. Like you're surprised that a known lie was accepted as a known lie therefore not voted for.

All alternative facts and fake news, no wonder you're such a Trump fan.

You keep making assumptions about what I believe and what I don't.......You keep making silly pops too....

It was the cornerstone of the whole campaign apart from racist crap....The Liberals lost 50 out of 58 seats by lying over their main pledge...

The British public have no compensation here....

Ask most of the British public (certainly the idiots that voted Leave) whether they want compensation over the NHS bus claim and most of them will just say they don't care and would have voted leave anyway.

If that bus had never left the factory, we still would have had a Leave vote. It would just be about bendy bananas like that f*ck-knuckle on Question Time the other day.

It gave people something to latch onto though Toppy.  Much easier to have the confidence to say that you're voting to Leave to save the NHS than saying it's because you don't like immigrants.  

Impossible to accurately measure, but I wonder how much it could have emboldened people who otherwise may not have voted.  It pinpointed an easily identifiable and understandable issue in an otherwise complicated (and for many people, abstract) argument.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Ask most of the British public (certainly the idiots that voted Leave) whether they want compensation over the NHS bus claim and most of them will just say they don't care and would have voted leave anyway.

If that bus had never left the factory, we still would have had a Leave vote. It would just be about bendy bananas like that f*ck-knuckle on Question Time the other day.

Completely agree Toppy.

Only total idiots would have believed the Leave campaign's battle bus slogan (though we're not exactly short on those).

I'm not the most politically astute person (as many on here would agree) but even I recognised it for what it was: an opportunistic eye-catching slogan.

I mean seriously...how could anyone promise ANYTHING before a deal has been completed and we get some idea of what the country's finances will look like, post-Brexit (when we're no longer paying the EU X and we're no longer receiving Y in return)?

Can't believe some folks on here are still banging on about the Brexit campaign. Its been done to death...and it was a complete car-crash on both sides.

Of course I would fully support the idea of the NHS getting an extra £350 million a week...but I rather doubt it will happen.


Still, I would like to crotch-punch the idiot who leaked the idea that the House of Lords might be abolished if they don't fall into line over Article 50.

Worth remembering that under 50s voted in good numbers to stay and over 50s voted in good numbers to come out...

Older people are more likely to need the NHS...

Yes ????

Meanwhile, the NHS problems are happening Within the construct of this EU - not outside it.

So if the NHS could handle an extra £350 million a week - the EU construct hasn't been the model to achieve it.

So many of the pro-EU arguments seem to come down to: 'well it may not be perfect but you're not going to get it any better'.  

That line is pretty much like the £350 million slogan itself. A empty slogan.  

Don't chance a different solution - accept the 'perfect' EU model that admittedly isn't remotely a perfect model.

  A response to be expected from a "those of us doing perfectly fine as part of the EU" champion.

There is much that is wrong with things in the UK and I don't think the EU has anything to do with it.

I can see why people want to leave the EU and why people want to remain in the EU - whatever your point of view depends on how you perceive the EU. Some may feel their businesses are throttled by being in the EU whilst others will feel that being in the EU benefits as a steady stream of much-needed skilled doctors and other needed skilled people can easily move here which will not so much be the case after exiting the EU.

Problems though, like the NHS has naff all to do with the EU and exited it will change nothing on that front.

What I find amusing is how people can be portrayed as being sensible and level-headed for wanting out of a bigger union (the EU) because they feel it will be better for the country but when Scots share similar thoughts and ambitions on exactly the same thing they are knuckle-draggers and scum. Something very much wrong there.

CaledonianCraig wrote:There is much that is wrong with things in the UK and I don't think the EU has anything to do with it.

I can see why people want to leave the EU and why people want to remain in the EU - whatever your point of view depends on how you perceive the EU. Some may feel their businesses are throttled by being in the EU whilst others will feel that being in the EU benefits as a steady stream of much-needed skilled doctors and other needed skilled people can easily move here which will not so much be the case after exiting the EU.

Problems though, like the NHS has naff all to do with the EU and exited it will change nothing on that front.

What I find amusing is how people can be portrayed as being sensible and level-headed for wanting out of a bigger union (the EU) because they feel it will be better for the country but when Scots share similar thoughts and ambitions on exactly the same thing they are knuckle-draggers and scum. Something very much wrong there.

Correct.  Thus why I have a major problem with Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP.  She ideally/theoretically wants to cut lose from one 'oppressive' and 'controlling' entity but fights tooth and nail to cling onto another version of the same overbearing oppressive and controlling entity.

SecretFly wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:There is much that is wrong with things in the UK and I don't think the EU has anything to do with it.

I can see why people want to leave the EU and why people want to remain in the EU - whatever your point of view depends on how you perceive the EU. Some may feel their businesses are throttled by being in the EU whilst others will feel that being in the EU benefits as a steady stream of much-needed skilled doctors and other needed skilled people can easily move here which will not so much be the case after exiting the EU.

Problems though, like the NHS has naff all to do with the EU and exited it will change nothing on that front.

What I find amusing is how people can be portrayed as being sensible and level-headed for wanting out of a bigger union (the EU) because they feel it will be better for the country but when Scots share similar thoughts and ambitions on exactly the same thing they are knuckle-draggers and scum. Something very much wrong there.

Correct.  Thus why I have a major problem with Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP.  She ideally/theoretically wants to cut lose from one 'oppressive' and 'controlling' entity but fights tooth and nail to cling onto another version of the same overbearing oppressive and controlling entity.

Actually no. As I have said problems in the UK are widely down to Westminster and precious little to do with the EU. Westminster runs the UK not the EU.

Yes the SNP has an agenda as does every political party to ever be in existence. I can associate with what the SNP wants - an independent Scotland. I cannot associate for one iota with what the Tories stand for and Labour are a shambles.

CaledonianCraig wrote:There is much that is wrong with things in the UK and I don't think the EU has anything to do with it.

I can see why people want to leave the EU and why people want to remain in the EU - whatever your point of view depends on how you perceive the EU. Some may feel their businesses are throttled by being in the EU whilst others will feel that being in the EU benefits as a steady stream of much-needed skilled doctors and other needed skilled people can easily move here which will not so much be the case after exiting the EU.

Problems though, like the NHS has naff all to do with the EU and exited it will change nothing on that front.

What I find amusing is how people can be portrayed as being sensible and level-headed for wanting out of a bigger union (the EU) because they feel it will be better for the country but when Scots share similar thoughts and ambitions on exactly the same thing they are knuckle-draggers and scum. Something very much wrong there.

....The economic climate dictates how much money will be pumped into the NHS and if as expected the seas are choppy and there is a downturn......

Then the NHS will suffer a long with every other department........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:There is much that is wrong with things in the UK and I don't think the EU has anything to do with it.

I can see why people want to leave the EU and why people want to remain in the EU - whatever your point of view depends on how you perceive the EU. Some may feel their businesses are throttled by being in the EU whilst others will feel that being in the EU benefits as a steady stream of much-needed skilled doctors and other needed skilled people can easily move here which will not so much be the case after exiting the EU.

Problems though, like the NHS has naff all to do with the EU and exited it will change nothing on that front.

What I find amusing is how people can be portrayed as being sensible and level-headed for wanting out of a bigger union (the EU) because they feel it will be better for the country but when Scots share similar thoughts and ambitions on exactly the same thing they are knuckle-draggers and scum. Something very much wrong there.

....The economic climate dictates how much money will be pumped into the NHS and if as expected the seas are choppy and there is a downturn......

Then the NHS will suffer a long with every other department........

No I don't think anyone knows what is going to happen. It is a big leap of faith. And it depends on your viewpoint on whether or not you think it is worth it (similar to independence vote). Some feel it will be economic disaster and others don't. Others see it as a fresh start and chance to cut shackles and that is how Scots who want independence see that as.

CaledonianCraig wrote:There is much that is wrong with things in the UK and I don't think the EU has anything to do with it.

I can see why people want to leave the EU and why people want to remain in the EU - whatever your point of view depends on how you perceive the EU. Some may feel their businesses are throttled by being in the EU whilst others will feel that being in the EU benefits as a steady stream of much-needed skilled doctors and other needed skilled people can easily move here which will not so much be the case after exiting the EU.

Problems though, like the NHS has naff all to do with the EU and exited it will change nothing on that front.

What I find amusing is how people can be portrayed as being sensible and level-headed for wanting out of a bigger union (the EU) because they feel it will be better for the country but when Scots share similar thoughts and ambitions on exactly the same thing they are knuckle-draggers and scum. Something very much wrong there.

WTF have you been reading/watching/smoking?????????

TopHat24/7 wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:There is much that is wrong with things in the UK and I don't think the EU has anything to do with it.

I can see why people want to leave the EU and why people want to remain in the EU - whatever your point of view depends on how you perceive the EU. Some may feel their businesses are throttled by being in the EU whilst others will feel that being in the EU benefits as a steady stream of much-needed skilled doctors and other needed skilled people can easily move here which will not so much be the case after exiting the EU.

Problems though, like the NHS has naff all to do with the EU and exited it will change nothing on that front.

What I find amusing is how people can be portrayed as being sensible and level-headed for wanting out of a bigger union (the EU) because they feel it will be better for the country but when Scots share similar thoughts and ambitions on exactly the same thing they are knuckle-draggers and scum. Something very much wrong there.

WTF have you been reading/watching/smoking?????????

I am talking media here. Why? What have you been smoking? I see no condemnation of SNP-esque proprtions with regards to those pushing through Brexit on the news. Have you?

CaledonianCraig wrote: As I have said problems in the UK are widely down to Westminster and precious little to do with the EU. Westminster runs the UK not the EU.

Yes the SNP has an agenda as does every political party to ever be in existence. I can associate with what the SNP wants - an independent Scotland. I cannot associate for one iota with what the Tories stand for and Labour are a shambles.

If you believe that then that's the on-going problem... in the UK, in England and in Scotland.  The truth is the SNP wants to leap from the centralised and centralising power of one 'Empire' into the hands of another one on the very same path.