Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)

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2007–08
28 December 2007, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 35–31 Glasgow Warriors
11 April 2008, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 23–14 Edinburgh
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 54–49

2008–09
26 December 2008, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 39–6 Glasgow Warriors
2 January 2009, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 25–20 Edinburgh
Winner: Edinburgh 59–31

2009–10
27 December 2009, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 25–12 Edinburgh
2 January 2010, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 15–22 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 47–27

2010–11
27 December 2010, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 30–18 Edinburgh
2 January 2011, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 28–17 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 47–46

2011–12
26 December 2011, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 23–23 Glasgow Warriors
1 January 2012, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 17–12 Edinburgh
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 40–35

2012–13
21 December 2012, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 23–14 Edinburgh
29 December 2012, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 17–21 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 44–31

2013–14
26 December 2013, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 16–20 Glasgow Warriors
26 April 2014, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 37–34 Edinburgh (postponed from 1st Jan due to waterlogged pitch)
Winner: Glasgow 57–50

2014–15
27 December 2014, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 16–6 Edinburgh
2 January 2015, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 20–8 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Edinburgh 26–24

2015–16
27 December 2015, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 23–11 Glasgow Warriors
2 January 2016, Murrayfield Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 11–14 Edinburgh (moved from Scotstoun due to waterlogged pitch)
Winner: Edinburgh 37–22

Winners tally
Glasgow Warriors - 6
Edinburgh - 3

Some tidying up could be required as I'm no a PC wizz!

PS - Any player from Ayr is not necessarily "World class"

by Sin é Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:31 pm

WHAT IS TO BE GAINED BY TACKLING MURRAY FROM HIS BLINDSIDE WHEN HE HAS KICKED THE BALL AWAY IN ANOTHER DIRECTION. -

What if he decided to run with it - many times people bluff the kick to run. It also put pressure on the kicker (legally) as they have to rush it - the ball had just left

In the photo, Murray would have had to run into a block down from a Glasgow player and get around CJ Stander who had his back to him. So, no, he wasn't going to run.

by funnyExiledScot Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:40 pm

Are you talking to yourself again?

by IanBru Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:50 pm

Sin é wrote:WHAT IS TO BE GAINED BY TACKLING MURRAY FROM HIS BLINDSIDE WHEN HE HAS KICKED THE BALL AWAY IN ANOTHER DIRECTION. -

What if he decided to run with it - many times people bluff the kick to run. It also put pressure on the kicker (legally) as they have to rush it - the ball had just left

In the photo, Murray would have had to run into a block down from a Glasgow player and get around CJ Stander who had his back to him. So, no, he wasn't going to run.

You ok, hun?

by Eejit Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:54 pm

Sin é wrote:WHAT IS TO BE GAINED BY TACKLING MURRAY FROM HIS BLINDSIDE WHEN HE HAS KICKED THE BALL AWAY IN ANOTHER DIRECTION. -

What if he decided to run with it - many times people bluff the kick to run. It also put pressure on the kicker (legally) as they have to rush it - the ball had just left

In the photo, Murray would have had to run into a block down from a Glasgow player and get around CJ Stander who had his back to him. So, no, he wasn't going to run.

Did I just see you in Leicester Square shouting at pigeons?

by R!skysports Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:54 pm

Sin é wrote:
Riskysports wrote:
Sin é wrote:Not sure what you are trying to do there, but I can't see too much wrong with anything they said and you continue to deflect from the real issue which is: - I have answered several times your question - and what I see wrong is accusing people of premeditated plans to injure, without proof - if you have not issues with that, fair enough

DO YOU THINK IT IS DANGEROUS TO TACKLE SOMEONE ON THEIR BLINDSIDE WHILE STANDING ON ONE FOOT? - No. You often tackle people from their blind side. Do you really expect people to always tackle straight on?

And No - if it is a fair tackle, does not matter if on one foot or two (just not in the air). It was a fair tackle on the hip

WHAT IS TO BE GAINED BY TACKLING MURRAY FROM HIS BLINDSIDE WHEN HE HAS KICKED THE BALL AWAY IN ANOTHER DIRECTION. - WWhat if he decided to run with it - many times people bluff the kick to run. It also put pressure on the kicker (legally) as they have to rush it - the ball had just left

I have and i will again answer

And remember the asked the ref to look out for it. The ref, TMO and citing commission seemed to think there was nothing wrong

If you think there is nothing wrong with the tactic or the tackle I don't get why you are so bothered about what Murray says, as according to you, its a legitmate tactic and a legitimate tackle

You guys are protesting too much.

Get bothered as he is accusing coach and players of cheating and having a tactic to deliberatly injure - and that is unacceptable

by R!skysports Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:55 pm

Sin é wrote:WHAT IS TO BE GAINED BY TACKLING MURRAY FROM HIS BLINDSIDE WHEN HE HAS KICKED THE BALL AWAY IN ANOTHER DIRECTION. -

What if he decided to run with it - many times people bluff the kick to run. It also put pressure on the kicker (legally) as they have to rush it - the ball had just left

In the photo, Murray would have had to run into a block down from a Glasgow player and get around CJ Stander who had his back to him. So, no, he wasn't going to run.

And every player can see exactly what every option and what every player in the way of others happen to be. Shocked

by Sin é Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:00 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Are you talking to yourself again?

I'm repeating the same question I put to Risky who refuses to answer with the hope that some Glasgow fans will answer!

by Sin é Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:04 pm

Riskysports wrote:
Sin é wrote:WHAT IS TO BE GAINED BY TACKLING MURRAY FROM HIS BLINDSIDE WHEN HE HAS KICKED THE BALL AWAY IN ANOTHER DIRECTION. -

What if he decided to run with it - many times people bluff the kick to run. It also put pressure on the kicker (legally) as they have to rush it - the ball had just left

In the photo, Murray would have had to run into a block down from a Glasgow player and get around CJ Stander who had his back to him. So, no, he wasn't going to run.

And every player can see exactly what every option and what every player in the way of others happen to be.

You guys don't do analysis, do you?

Even the dogs in the street knows that Munster will box kick when getting out of their own 22 from the back of a ruck/scrum. They do this because a) Murray is a superb box kicker and b) Munster & Ireland have really good chasers and c) they would prefer to play Glasgow in Glasgow's 22!

by jimbopip Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:10 pm

Sin e

Go and get over it. steam

There's fecc all wrong with trying to tackle any player anywhere on the pitch, from front, side or behind, as long as he's holding the ball when you begin your tackle. Seriously. Headscratch

Stop flogging a dead horse. You are commiting the cardinal sin of BEING BORING.

by EWT Spoons Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:14 pm

Not seen it mentioned here, but Edinburgh have La Rochelle on Fri 30/03 at 8pm, if we get past them then we'll face either Gloucester or Cardiff. Based on the EPCR website it looks like it could be a home semi for Edinburgh as well.

This may all have been discussed and I've just not seen it.

by **RDW** Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:22 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:Not seen it mentioned here, but Edinburgh have La Rochelle on Fri 30/03 at 8pm, if we get past them then we'll face either Gloucester or Cardiff. Based on the EPCR website it looks like it could be a home semi for Edinburgh as well.

This may all have been discussed and I've just not seen it.

It has been moved to Murrayfield as well which I think is a shame. Perhaps the extra game wasn't included as part of the planning permission for the 'trial' move, but if this wasn't the issue then I would have liked them to keep it at Myreside.

Glasgow accepted smaller crowds if it meant that they regularly sold out games, creating demand. You also can't really make it your home while still playing away from there for one off games.

I'm sure we'll get a bigger crowd for this but only 1000 or 2000 more than Myreside's capacity.

by **George Carlin** Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:57 am

Just to give your morning a lift (and to try to kill any residual chat about Connor Daniel Laruso Murray), we are doing well in the Wellington 7s at the moment and we beat England in the quarters to make it to the semis (where I believe we narrowly lost to Fiji).

One of the main reasons we beat England was this try saver from Jim Fleming:

Now that's what I'm talking about.

by **RDW** Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:12 am

Great result to finish 3rd in the tournament

by MacKnocked-on Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:55 pm

It's an excellent result, I watched them against England and although they won they generally looked pretty average and lacking in pace (Fleming excepted). Having seen Fiji dismantle NZ so easily I thought we were in for a thrashing but to then only lose by 7 points to them in the semi was a really good effort.

by jimbopip Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:05 pm

https://www.facebook.com/sarugbymagazine/photos/a.131702326851477.16206.129368440418199/1427301187291578/?type=3

Ok so if I did it right, that link should show the IRB standings with Scotland above the All Blacks. End the season now. Yahoo

by IanBru Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:15 pm

Oh hells yes, I'll take that!

https://youtu.be/OBn-_nfrFJg

Here's highlights of the Canada v Scotland Bronze medal match. Our outside defence was a bit weak, but that Canadian 120kg lumberjack looks like a monster to have to take down!

George Horne looks pretty able, especially for the match-winning try. Now if he could bulk up a little bit, he has a shot at making it in XVs.

by **RDW** Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:48 am

Scotland definitely lack physicality but I'm glad they're going for pace of power in the squad now. A few years ago - and at the Commonwealth games - we picked powerful players who were pretty slow (Roddy Grant, Sean Lamont etc) and we were just completely lacking in pace. We now have pace throughout the squad and are doing really well.

We do need to tackle lower though.

Mark Robertson's rise to the top really is incredible - he was a decent winger for Edinburgh knocking on the door for Scotland but chronic injury curtailed his career. He has now completely reinvented himself as a 7s player and I think he can be considered one of the top players in the series - he is outstanding.

by **BigGee** Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:18 am

Need to give a bit of credit to McCrae the coach as well. It is essentially the same bunch of players who were not performing very well a couple of years ago and on the point of getting chopped.

He has ambitions of coaching in 15s as well, an outside bet for Edinburgh anyone?

Wonder if any of the players are going to make the jump over as well.

Surely George Horne will be going to Glasgow next season when we off load Hart and the Fijian. He will need to put on a bit of beef though!

Lowe and Farndale look like they could as well and are young enough to spend the time and effort making the switch. Farndale looked like injuries were going to wreck his career at one stage as well but he has re-invented himself as a sevens player as well.

All in all a good weekend for them, though t looks like they took some injuries and may struggle a bit next weekend in Oz. It won't be easy to get replacements out there, into the time zone and up to speed in 6 days!

by **RDW** Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:32 am

7s is such a specialist sport now I don't think he could transfer straight into 15s as a head coach. The standard route would probably be for him to become a skills coach but since he's doing a good job with the 7s - which is developing young players - I say keep him there.

by funnyExiledScot Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:56 am

George Carlin wrote:Just to give your morning a lift (and to try to kill any residual chat about Connor Daniel Laruso Murray), we are doing well in the Wellington 7s at the moment and we beat England in the quarters to make it to the semis (where I believe we narrowly lost to Fiji).

One of the main reasons we beat England was this try saver from Jim Fleming:

Now that's what I'm talking about.

Lovely stuff!!

by **BigGee** Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:58 am

In other news, a Glasgow signing is coming up this morning.

Huw Jones I hope!

by demosthenes Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:04 am

BigGee wrote:In other news, a Glasgow signing is coming up this morning.

Huw Jones I hope!

Dunbar - 2 years.

by **BigGee** Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:09 am

demosthenes wrote:
BigGee wrote:In other news, a Glasgow signing is coming up this morning.

Huw Jones I hope!

Dunbar - 2 years.

Very happy to settle for that!

by **George Carlin** Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:20 am

BigGee wrote:
demosthenes wrote:
BigGee wrote:In other news, a Glasgow signing is coming up this morning.

Huw Jones I hope!

Dunbar - 2 years.

Very happy to settle for that!

Me too, but I am afraid that this means Bennett is more likely to go elsewhere.

by funnyExiledScot Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:21 am

That's decent business, and good for both sides. He's a bit injury prone and Glasgow can manage him well. Hopefully Bennett will also stay, as they work well together.

by EWT Spoons Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:31 am

Is Dunbar getting a new contract actually the news, or is that speculation/something that also happened?

by tigertattie Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:32 am

Think Bennett (if Glasgow aren't keeping him) would be given the option of joining Edinburgh?

by **BigGee** Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:34 am

EWT Spoons wrote:Is Dunbar getting a new contract actually the news, or is that speculation/something that also happened?

Done and dusted, another 2 years!

by EWT Spoons Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:35 am

BigGee wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:Is Dunbar getting a new contract actually the news, or is that speculation/something that also happened?

Done and dusted, another 2 years!

Cool, glad they've signed him up.

by funnyExiledScot Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:58 am

tigertattie wrote:Think Bennett (if Glasgow aren't keeping him) would be given the option of joining Edinburgh?

I can't imagine he'd be tempted by that. Anyway, we have Chris Dean....

I suspect he'll be off to France, probably with Cotter.

by EWT Spoons Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:02 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
tigertattie wrote:Think Bennett (if Glasgow aren't keeping him) would be given the option of joining Edinburgh?

I can't imagine he'd be tempted by that. Anyway, we have Chris Dean....

I suspect he'll be off to France, probably with Cotter.

Newcastle fans seem pretty confident he's coming to them.

by nickj Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:45 am

Bennett to Newcastle? I kinda hoped he might be aiming a bit higher? But he and Juan Pablo Socino would be pretty exciting. Does Dominic Waldouck play at 13 too? DTH has signed for them too, hasn't he? They're building a pretty impressive back line if you include Goneva, Sinoti Sinoti and Marcus Watson.

by nickj Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:47 am

And I should have said - brilliant news re Big Eck. I had him in Montpellier to be honest.

by tigertattie Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:20 pm

we've filled this thread up even quicker than normal!

Must have been all the ramblings of Sin e in relation to Murray and Schmidt's libelous comments.

Lets have a rock off to see who does the next thread in 17 posts time

by R!skysports Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:40 pm

I really think it is time for Jim Telfer to get over his disdain of England

It really is getting embarrassing

by R!skysports Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:50 pm

From the BBC

""Eddie Jones doesn't want to beat teams, he wants to demolish them, which I find a bit disappointing," says Telfer. "To me, he's building his whole team on set-piece and the building of the attack comes secondary. Having coached Australia and Japan you would have thought the opposite would be the case. The way he speaks, it's a bit like Donald Trump. He wants to be the big man, you know?
"His goal is to win the World Cup in 2019 and so far it's gone well, but I think he could be a little more circumspect, show a bit more respect for the opposition. He doesn't seem to show much respect and it could come back to bite him.
"Twickenham, I find intimidating, the whole atmosphere is intimidating, there's so many of them, three tiers of them. If you ever think about wanting separation from England just sit 10 minutes in Twickenham and listen to them.
"They think they're superior and a lot of them will come from the south-east, bags of money and bags of this and bags of that. They don't really appreciate the other team. In France they just boo the other team, in Argentina they boo the other team, in England it's just disdain. 'Why are we playing these plebs?' I don't like Twickenham; a concrete jungle, nothing attractive about it at all."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38777496

As a Scotsman, even I find that offence .........

by nickj Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:59 pm

I still posted it on my facebooks though Very Happy

. The BBC really shouldn't give the fella a platform. Every year he's guaranteed to lob a grenade, but its becoming the irate witterings of an old man. Tom Englsh shouldn't have wasted the trip, but its content and its sure to get clicks

by funnyExiledScot Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:24 pm

Yeh, they could at least have allowed Telfer to sober up before the interview.

by tigertattie Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:30 pm

To be fair to Telfer, he does have a point!

But he really has a very large chip on his shoulder.

by **BigGee** Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:32 pm

Riskysports wrote:From the BBC

""Eddie Jones doesn't want to beat teams, he wants to demolish them, which I find a bit disappointing," says Telfer. "To me, he's building his whole team on set-piece and the building of the attack comes secondary. Having coached Australia and Japan you would have thought the opposite would be the case. The way he speaks, it's a bit like Donald Trump. He wants to be the big man, you know?
"His goal is to win the World Cup in 2019 and so far it's gone well, but I think he could be a little more circumspect, show a bit more respect for the opposition. He doesn't seem to show much respect and it could come back to bite him.
"Twickenham, I find intimidating, the whole atmosphere is intimidating, there's so many of them, three tiers of them. If you ever think about wanting separation from England just sit 10 minutes in Twickenham and listen to them.
"They think they're superior and a lot of them will come from the south-east, bags of money and bags of this and bags of that. They don't really appreciate the other team. In France they just boo the other team, in Argentina they boo the other team, in England it's just disdain. 'Why are we playing these plebs?' I don't like Twickenham; a concrete jungle, nothing attractive about it at all."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38777496

As a Scotsman, even I find that offence .........

Completely agree.

Living in London and spending a lot of time with England fans, I have never found them like that. The actually take losing pretty well in my experience, as do most rugby fans.

I made my first visit to Twickenham in a long long time 2 years ago and I would say it is a fantastic stadium. Great sight lines, good atmosphere and a very well devised beer dispensing system, far better than Murrayfield, it has to be said.

The reason Scotland have not won at Twickenham for a long time is not because of the stadium and the fans, it is because we have not been good enough!

by **George Carlin** Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:44 pm

Oh jesus Jim. picard

Clickbait for the Daily Telegraph leadership.

I find Eddie Jones fairly juvenille and an enormous egotist as well but nowadays comparing someone to Donald Trump is about as insulting as it gets.

There will be no jam roly poly in the old folks home for him tonight.

by Eejit Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:09 pm

Don't get where he's coming from there I'm afraid. Murrayfield suffers just as much from the mob that are more interested in getting up for beer/food every five minutes coupled with taking selfies.

Or 'Edinburgh fans' to the rest of us.

by A Simply Mesmeric Try Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:43 pm

Do we need to puiblish a new volume of this epic ongoing thread?

I'll get on it. cuppa

by **RDW** Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:46 pm

We will very soon!

by A Simply Mesmeric Try Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:59 pm

I think 20 pages of witty banter per volume is nearing the JRR Tolkien/GRR Martin levels of enormousness.

We could all write under the pen name SRR Hope
Err... Scottish Rugby Redemption Hope?
Rolling Eyes

by A Simply Mesmeric Try Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:07 pm

Boom.

https://www.606v2.com/t65066-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-xv

The big XV. Can someone come up with an appropriate name for the thread?

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