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Shall I sort lawyers?

I've messaged you the final results Nando.

Either way - whether it's preferred tomorrow with the live text or results now I don't mind.

If Afro & Hero show up before 10pm ill post them up for you

If not Live Text Thread 3pm (traditional kick off) Tomorrow

I'm around. Not too worried about live text, but I'm around if you want to do it

I'm here too x

Results are up Congrats ....

Congratz Afro

Thanks both. I really wasn't confident and had to spend more time on planning my tactics than I have at any point in the past.

Hero - you were tough competition as usual and have built a stunning squad. Even more so considering you started with a Hull squad that at the start of the season IRL was in complete disarray.

Congratulations Afro - it was an extremely difficult game to call with both sides clearly the strongest in the division.

Congratulations Afro, well deserved title either way it would have went.

I have put an end of season awards page up. It's not compulsory, just a bit of something to do. Feel free to suggest other awards

No prizes!!

https://www.606v2.com/t65502-season-1-end-of-season-awards#3545638

And I will do an end of season Sheep. Answers to me by 1pm strict (as I get half an hour for my lunch today!)

1. Name a team currently top of a European (not UK) football league

2. Name a type of cheese

3. Name a place where you might go on your summer holidays

4. Name an artist/band in the current top 10 of the album charts

5. Name a pizza topping

6. Name a sport at the Olympics where GB won a gold medal

7. Name a chocolate bar

8. Name a current MMA World Champion

9. Name a subject that you get taught at school

10. Name a team competing in the IPL

Got 4 players for Sheep so far. Final call....

1. Name a team currently top of a European (not UK) football league

Real Madrid (3) - GSC, Nad, Hero

Bayern Munich (1) - Trebs

GSC - 3
Nad - 3
Hero - 3
Trebs - 1

2. Name a type of cheese

Cheddar (2) - GSC, Hero

Edam (1) - Trebs

Swiss (1) - Nad

GSC - 5
Hero - 5
Nad - 4
Treb - 2

3. Name a place where you might go on your summer holidays

Spain (4) - all of you (Trebs put Magaluf, but game the benefit of doubt)

GSC - 9
Hero - 9
Nad - 8
Treb - 6

4. Name an artist/band in the current top 10 of the album charts

Ed Sheeran (4) - all of you

GSC - 13
Hero - 13
Nad - 12
Treb - 10

5. Name a pizza topping

Pepperoni (3) - GSC, Hero, Nad
Cheese (1) - Trebs

GSC - 16
Hero - 16
Nad - 15
Treb - 11

6. Name a sport at the Olympics where GB won a gold medal

Cycling (2) - Trebs, Hero
Hockey (1) - GSC
Long Jump (1) - Nad

Hero - 18
Gsc - 17
Nad - 16
Treb - 13

7. Name a chocolate bar

Dairy Milk (2) - GSC, Hero
Crunchie (1) - Trebs
Kit Kat (1) - Nad

Hero - 20
Gsc - 19
Nad - 17
Treb - 14

Well atleast Hero's winning something

8. Name a current MMA World Champion

Conor McGregor (4) - all of you

Hero - 24
Gsc - 23
Nad - 21
Treb - 18

Fernando wrote:Well atleast Hero's winning something

9. Name a subject that you get taught at school

Maths (3) - GSC, Trebs, Nad
English (1) - Hero

Gsc - 26
Hero - 25
Nad - 24
Treb - 21

10. Name a team competing in the IPL

Riders (1) - GSC
Mumbai Indians (1) - Trebs
Rajastan Royals (1) - Nad
RC Bangalore (1) - Hero

Gsc - 27  
Hero - 26
Nad - 25
Treb - 22

Oh Hero 

Sorry about me

GSC wrote:Sorry about me

Don't worry, he's accustomed to second place.......

Congrats afro. You and hero were in a league of your own battling for the title. I would have given the edge to hero in his match against you but everyone has different opinions which makes leagues like this so good. At least I didn't finish last

Enjoy your easter holidays lads. .

On teh basis teh WWA is up & running i won't be apart of Season 2, Sorry

Anyone want to take over Nando's team? Outside of the league i mean.

Does anybody fancy my team as well?

So I've had a few comments. For me the only way the league can survive is with a reboot.

I know there's opposition, and I appreciate the rules changes have been largely positive. But this is a 'stockbrokers' league of who can find the biggest TM rises.

I've compared my team with Hero's, but I'm sure everyone else could join in:

Lafont
Bellerin Rugani Tah Gaya
Nainggolan Verratti Kessie
Bernardo Mbappe Hazard


5.53
21.25 14.45 18.7 15.3
34 34 12.75
21.25 8.5 59.5

=£245m

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Pickford
Meunier Keane Cahill Grimaldo
Keita Castro Gueye
Alli Mertens
Vardy

4.25
6.38 10.2 13.6 5.95
18.7 12.75 10.2
34 21.25
12.75

=£150m

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For me, even with the changes it seems illogical to do one season on one set of rules, and another with vastly different rules. I see no way of catching up £100m in transfermarkt value.

Fair play to Hero for exploiting the rules best, but I do not find this game fun.

Sorry.

It's not exploiting the rules, that's smearing it as underhand what I did. All I did was what I always do and that's build a team initially of talented youngsters and then waited until those players saw a TM price increase. 
I'd even wish to keep the youngsters but recognise that as the league grows then they aren't as well thought of as power creeps set in so through necessity I also upgrade.
We've all played these games for numerous years and it's hardly brain surgery to work out early on that if you buy young players who are undervalued on TM then some point soon they will rise and if you buy older players then they'll go down in value. It's the same as what football clubs do in real life, that's why Mbappe after one good season is getting rumours of value near 100m.

Apologies - exploiting may be the wrong word to use in this scenario

My point still stands - that there is no rule change that will fix it for next season.

Swap teams if you want?

I'm happy to swap teams as well.

The other option is that everyone values their squad (plus cash), and the difference is made up in cash. I.e. The highest value gets 0, and everyone gets the amount of cash that takes them up to the same value.

Or the opposite where the highest value teams need to release to get to a certain value

Does make it all a bit like the Lazy Squirrel story though.
We all started equal (though in actually fact both myself and Afro started off with worse squads), we all knew the rules at the start of the season. So come the end of the season when those that haven't gathered their nuts so to speak as the season went along then cry about it we have to give them a share of our harvest because we planned well.

I take both points, but in a situation where it is share or the league disbands, then I'd rather share.

Personally, I'd rather swap teams than artificially equalise it, but happy to explore radical alternatives.

Another left field suggestion, you could make it that teams are paired and get to pick any 3 players to take from the other team on a "Bosman".

Or don't even pair them. You just get to pick 3 players from any other team!!!

I hope this isn't wasted, just spent over an hour calculating these.

Boro - £205,713,000 - Without budget
Sunderland - £204,681,750 - With Budget
Bournemouth - £176,080,000 - With Budget, without Alejandro Gomez
Burnley FC - £190,111,000 - With Budget
Watford FC - £168,398,000 - With Budget
West Bromich Albion - £179,420,000 - With Budget
Hull City - £203,668,000 - With Budget - Cant find Tymons on TM either.

Holymiky wrote:I hope this isn't wasted, just spent over an hour calculating these.

Boro - £205,713,000 - Without budget
Sunderland - £204,681,750 - With Budget
Bournemouth - £176,080,000 - With Budget, without Alejandro Gomez
Burnley FC - £190,111,000 - With Budget
Watford FC - £168,398,000 - With Budget
West Bromich Albion - £179,420,000 - With Budget
Hull City - £203,668,000 - With Budget - Cant find Tymons on TM either.

Is that overall squad value?

Trebs has a higher value squad than Hero? In truth it is much more even than I thought.

The way to equalise it is to make it more about squad than starting XI....

Injuries, more impact of substitutes

Thats overall squad value, Hero had more til i realised he traded out Jesus but then again i just thought about something, i didn't calculate Hazard in that cos pages aren't up to date i guess.

How about everyone has to trim their squad value to a set amount? Say 100m? Then everyone starts on a level playing field next season and gets to keep their favourites?

Also means that players go into foreigns because at this rate we'll run out of players by the end of the season.

Holymiky wrote:Thats overall squad value, Hero had more til i realised he traded out Jesus but then again i just thought about something, i didn't calculate Hazard in that cos pages aren't up to date i guess.

I woke figuring something wasn't quite right, as Heros squad value couldn't be less than his starting XI.

Trebs - I had think your idea is harsher on Hero, as he evidently has all his value in his XI without much in the squad. Whilst I'm open to levelling the playing field, it has to be

And we also need to find another manager

Not sure what the fairest way to do it - but I think we should find a way to make all the sides equal and weaker.

I have tried to get Marky in multiple times Afro but he doesnt want to for certain reasons so im lost for people to try really.

We need someone reliable for sure though.

Trebs wrote:Not sure what the fairest way to do it - but I think we should find a way to make all the sides equal and weaker.

Agree on both counts. From a personal perspective, it will be slightly easier for me as I appear to be 4th out of 7 in the squad values.

But for Hero to get to £100m is going to take selling half his starting XI when his backups are already paper thin.

How about rather than all teams have to get to £xm, they have to reduce the squad values by x%. Perhaps 30%.

then we level the playing field by increasing budgets.
And then we amend the rules to make it less about finding TM increases (much fewer Lawyers (either none, with releases instead, or 1 every week at -5% with no nominated)

Think the lack of posts is making the chance of a season 2/reboot looking less likely. Tbh I think I may well just concentrate on other leagues I'm in now as I'm at the point where I really don't want to go through another reboot/change due to placating those that failed to grasp how Transfermarkt works despite playing in leagues in which we've used Transfermarkt for over 6 years.

I'm not up for a reboot at all either. Don't really want to break up my squad, but I'm open to compromise to keep the league going.

Think the lack of posts is due to the Easter holidays tbf. Willing to give that a bit more time.