UK General Election 2017 Thread

[Muscular-mouse]

First topic message reminder :

Ok guys what are your predictions, how will you be voting and who do you want to win.

[Crimey]

They're launching it as a major policy this morning, expecting him to remember that rather than a random set of numbers isn't a big ask

I agree, but there isn't really much we can take away from it other than that Corbyn didn't memorise the numbers well enough. If you're voting based on how well the leader of a party can remember numbers then yeah it's important, otherwise it's just a distraction. Especially as it means the policy itself isn't coming under criticism.

[Ent]

They're launching it as a major policy this morning, expecting him to remember that rather than a random set of numbers isn't a big ask

I agree, but there isn't really much we can take away from it other than that Corbyn didn't memorise the numbers well enough. If you're voting based on how well the leader of a party can remember numbers then yeah it's important, otherwise it's just a distraction. Especially as it means the policy itself isn't coming under criticism.

Exactly, we had no real discussion on the policy because of this - or none reported anyway. The story is that Corbyn couldn't remember his numbers and wanted to check - we don't know where the money is coming from or much more about the policy.

It is actually incredibly poor journalism when you think about it.

[Hammersmith harrier]

They're launching it as a major policy this morning, expecting him to remember that rather than a random set of numbers isn't a big ask

It will be dismissed as him just forgetting but it's indicative of the view that he doesn't have much of a clue of the economical situation.

[Ent]

They're launching it as a major policy this morning, expecting him to remember that rather than a random set of numbers isn't a big ask

It will be dismissed as him just forgetting but it's indicative of the view that he doesn't have much of a clue of the economical situation.

That is how it will be presented, unfortunately the costing and sourcing of the funds for the policy were not scrutinised so we don't actually know.

[GSC]

Some see failing to memorize numbers, I see a basic lack of preparation. He went on that show to promote this policy directly to their listeners, that he wasted time because he didn't know how much it'd cost is his fault, not the interviewer.

[superflyweight]

Some people didn't vote for Milliband because the poor b@stard couldn't eat a bacon sandwich like a human being.

I don't think we should expect too much of the people.

[Scottrf]

They're launching it as a major policy this morning, expecting him to remember that rather than a random set of numbers isn't a big ask

It will be dismissed as him just forgetting but it's indicative of the view that he doesn't have much of a clue of the economical situation.

If you are already predisposed to not liking him. If Teresa May did the same, Corbyn haters wouldn't care.

[Hammersmith harrier]

They're launching it as a major policy this morning, expecting him to remember that rather than a random set of numbers isn't a big ask

It will be dismissed as him just forgetting but it's indicative of the view that he doesn't have much of a clue of the economical situation.

That is how it will be presented, unfortunately the costing and sourcing of the funds for the policy were not scrutinised so we don't actually know.

It's then going to be presumed he doesn't know those things, it's in his interest to explain the costing.

[GSC]

May was a car crash last night, shes a poor public speaker. I can look past that more easily than failing to prepare properly

[TRUSSMAN66]

Some see failing to memorize numbers, I see a basic lack of preparation. He went on that show to promote this policy directly to their listeners, that he wasted time because he didn't know how much it'd cost is his fault, not the interviewer.

He forgot his figures so what ?....Don't remember you moaning when Hammond was 20 billion out on HS2...

For someone who isn't voting you're very partisan....

Corbyn has to get the kids and the disenchanted to vote..Simple as..

Final polls in MIchigan Sanders v Clinton...............Clinton +21....Clinton +24.....Clinton + 27.....Sanders won...

That is the Election...........Will people vote that don't normally........and keep her majority down.....

[Ent]

May was a car crash last night, shes a poor public speaker. I can look past that more easily than failing to prepare properly

Really? When her big selling point is her ability to negotiate with 27 EU leaders on the deal? I'd expect a decent level of public speaking is required for that task.

Easy to prepare when you give no costings at all for your policies.

[Ent]

Some see failing to memorize numbers, I see a basic lack of preparation. He went on that show to promote this policy directly to their listeners, that he wasted time because he didn't know how much it'd cost is his fault, not the interviewer.

It's the interviewers job to get this information out of him for their listeners - not take a hatchet to him because he wants to check his figures.

[GSC]

Partisan to competency, don't see much of it around.

[Ent]

Partisan to competency, don't see much of it around.

Agree with that, I think the electorate unfortunately have very little to choose from at this election.

[Ent]

Some see failing to memorize numbers, I see a basic lack of preparation. He went on that show to promote this policy directly to their listeners, that he wasted time because he didn't know how much it'd cost is his fault, not the interviewer.

He forgot his figures so what ?....Don't remember you moaning when Hammond was 20 billion out on HS2...

For someone who isn't voting you're very partisan....

Corbyn has to get the kids and the disenchanted to vote..Simple as..

Final polls in MIchigan Sanders v Clinton...............Clinton +21....Clinton +24.....Clinton + 27.....Sanders won...

That is the Election...........Will people vote that don't normally........and keep her majority down.....

Think we will see voter fatigue and potentially a low turn out.

[navyblueshorts]

The SNP vote is baffling as is Craigs logic.

More people voted no in the independence referendum than voted for the SNP in the last westminster election.

The breakdown by council area shows only 4 areas in which the Yes vote was larger than the No vote.

http://www.electionsscotland.info/info/13/referendum/42/scottish_independence_referendum_2014_-_vote_breakdown

If the SNP support was falling because of tactical unionist voting/mobilising the unionist vote they would be losing a lot more seats.

Not everyone votes for the SNP to back independence, they have run on the ticket for a second referendum and have falling support and are likely to lose seats in the election - they've no traction at all to ask for another referendum.

That still goes nowhere to answering why the SNP will win three quarters of all seats in Scotland though does it? The answer is there but whichever it is I think people here can't bear to say it.

Is there an echo around here? I notice you see fit to ignore the FT and Huffington articles I posted/linked. There's a thing...

I can guess at what you are implying but you're not correct.  There's only one serious party for independence supporters to vote for, so SNP gather vast majority of the independence vote regardless of whether or not those people agree with any of their policies (outside of independence).  The votes of those who oppose independence are spread around three other parties.  The effects are compounded by the fact that the independence supporters are more motivated and their turnout is generally greater.  

At the peak of their popularity, SNP gathered half of the electorate (not half of the population).  Very impressive, but not indicative of a majority of support for independence.  They won't achieve the same numbers in this election.    

True. I guess SNP supporters prioritise independence over anything else.

[GSC]

Partisan to competency, don't see much of it around.

Agree with that, I think the electorate unfortunately have very little to choose from at this election.

If Labour can punt JC there are a few waiting in the wings to give May a kicking in 5 years

[TRUSSMAN66]

If I was Corbyn I'd give Diana Abbott a free holiday for 9 days.....Hopeless.....

Fact is...He has brought the polls closer and most of the media is right wing...So every little mistake will be highlighted....

However he is going positive and she is entirely negative.......He is looking at the people who don't vote because they are all the same and impressionable kids.....

Good luck to him and hope he gets them and it is relatively close.....The vitriol he has been getting is scandalous..

[Hammersmith harrier]

The vitriol he has been receiving is well deserved.

[TRUSSMAN66]

The vitriol he has been receiving is well deserved.

Who are you voting for again ??

[Ent]

The vitriol he has been receiving is well deserved.

His policies deserve scorn.

I'm not a fan of his but the personal attacks have been unfair and uncalled for.

[Pr4wn]

There's no other right wing option so I'm unlikely to ever change, UKIP have too many policies I disagree with.

So you only vote for a party if they are right wing?

Well yes I'm against left wing politics.

Me too, I prefer it when disabled people are too poor to live.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/video/2017/may/30/living-with-disabilities-youre-treated-worse-than-a-farm-animal-video

Just going to leave this here.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

How can you be "against left wing politics?"

[Samo]

There's no other right wing option so I'm unlikely to ever change, UKIP have too many policies I disagree with.

So you only vote for a party if they are right wing?

Well yes I'm against left wing politics.

Me too, I prefer it when disabled people are too poor to live.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/video/2017/may/30/living-with-disabilities-youre-treated-worse-than-a-farm-animal-video

Just going to leave this here.

This is an incredibly difficult watch. I cant believe anyone can justify this.

[ShahenshahG]

There's no other right wing option so I'm unlikely to ever change, UKIP have too many policies I disagree with.

So you only vote for a party if they are right wing?

Well yes I'm against left wing politics.

Me too, I prefer it when disabled people are too poor to live.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/video/2017/may/30/living-with-disabilities-youre-treated-worse-than-a-farm-animal-video

Just going to leave this here.

This is an incredibly difficult watch. I cant believe anyone can justify this.

Yes but can she eat a bacon sandwich? Can she breathe through a tube? Can she drag herself along the ground by sinking her teeth into the ground? If so she can get off her a*se, take the bus and work as a rug for the conservative party headquarters

[navyblueshorts]

There's no other right wing option so I'm unlikely to ever change, UKIP have too many policies I disagree with.

So you only vote for a party if they are right wing?

Well yes I'm against left wing politics.

Me too, I prefer it when disabled people are too poor to live.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/video/2017/may/30/living-with-disabilities-youre-treated-worse-than-a-farm-animal-video

Just going to leave this here.

Go right ahead. Doesn't alter the fact the earlier post was hyperbolic nonsense.

[navyblueshorts]

There's no other right wing option so I'm unlikely to ever change, UKIP have too many policies I disagree with.

So you only vote for a party if they are right wing?

Well yes I'm against left wing politics.

Me too, I prefer it when disabled people are too poor to live.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/video/2017/may/30/living-with-disabilities-youre-treated-worse-than-a-farm-animal-video

Just going to leave this here.

This is an incredibly difficult watch. I cant believe anyone can justify this.

With the greatest respect to this pretty harrowing video, it's one side of a story (in the Guardirad) and I don't think anyone is "justifying" it as fine are they? Still, must be entirely the Tories fault as they're 'evil'....

[Dolphin Ziggler]

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/the-systematic-tory-abuse-of-disabled.html?m=1

Obviously biased, but interesting nonetheless

[Pr4wn]

There's no other right wing option so I'm unlikely to ever change, UKIP have too many policies I disagree with.

So you only vote for a party if they are right wing?

Well yes I'm against left wing politics.

Me too, I prefer it when disabled people are too poor to live.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/video/2017/may/30/living-with-disabilities-youre-treated-worse-than-a-farm-animal-video

Just going to leave this here.

This is an incredibly difficult watch. I cant believe anyone can justify this.

With the greatest respect to this pretty harrowing video, it's one side of a story (in the Guardirad) and I don't think anyone is "justifying" it as fine are they? Still, must be entirely the Tories fault as they're 'evil'....

Talk about a nonsense post.

Who's fault are the cuts then, if not the Tories? Do you think that this woman did this to herself? It has to be one or the other.

[superflyweight]

There's no other right wing option so I'm unlikely to ever change, UKIP have too many policies I disagree with.

So you only vote for a party if they are right wing?

Well yes I'm against left wing politics.

Me too, I prefer it when disabled people are too poor to live.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/video/2017/may/30/living-with-disabilities-youre-treated-worse-than-a-farm-animal-video

Just going to leave this here.

This is an incredibly difficult watch. I cant believe anyone can justify this.

With the greatest respect to this pretty harrowing video, it's one side of a story (in the Guardirad) and I don't think anyone is "justifying" it as fine are they? Still, must be entirely the Tories fault as they're 'evil'....

Talk about a nonsense post.

Who's fault are the cuts then, if not the Tories? Do you think that this woman did this to herself? It has to be one or the other.

The mods are turning on each other! What a shambles

In 50 years from now they'll be able to pinpoint Prawn's post as the beginning of the fall of mankind and the point at which the machines started to take over.

Well done Prawn - hope you're proud of yourself!

[Pr4wn]

A very SecretFly post, Super

[navyblueshorts]

There's no other right wing option so I'm unlikely to ever change, UKIP have too many policies I disagree with.

So you only vote for a party if they are right wing?

Well yes I'm against left wing politics.

Me too, I prefer it when disabled people are too poor to live.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/video/2017/may/30/living-with-disabilities-youre-treated-worse-than-a-farm-animal-video

Just going to leave this here.

This is an incredibly difficult watch. I cant believe anyone can justify this.

With the greatest respect to this pretty harrowing video, it's one side of a story (in the Guardirad) and I don't think anyone is "justifying" it as fine are they? Still, must be entirely the Tories fault as they're 'evil'....

Talk about a nonsense post.

Who's fault are the cuts then, if not the Tories? Do you think that this woman did this to herself? It has to be one or the other.

...and conveniently ignore the issue re. one-sided story from a left-wing rag. If you want to see the World and its issues in simplistic black/white, carry on by all means.

[navyblueshorts]

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/the-systematic-tory-abuse-of-disabled.html?m=1

Obviously biased, but interesting nonetheless

True, interesting and probably biased.

[Pr4wn]

There's no other right wing option so I'm unlikely to ever change, UKIP have too many policies I disagree with.

So you only vote for a party if they are right wing?

Well yes I'm against left wing politics.

Me too, I prefer it when disabled people are too poor to live.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/video/2017/may/30/living-with-disabilities-youre-treated-worse-than-a-farm-animal-video

Just going to leave this here.

This is an incredibly difficult watch. I cant believe anyone can justify this.

With the greatest respect to this pretty harrowing video, it's one side of a story (in the Guardirad) and I don't think anyone is "justifying" it as fine are they? Still, must be entirely the Tories fault as they're 'evil'....

Talk about a nonsense post.

Who's fault are the cuts then, if not the Tories? Do you think that this woman did this to herself? It has to be one or the other.

...and conveniently ignore the issue re. one-sided story from a left-wing rag. If you want to see the World and its issues in simplistic black/white, carry on by all means.

You didn't answer the question. Who's fault is it that she has to live like that? Is it hers or the Tories'?

Conversely, you can't ignore the cuts that the disabled have suffered under the Tories? Care to justify them?

[superflyweight]

A very SecretFly post, Super

I almost miss the mad b*gger!

[Pr4wn]

I don't.

What happened to him?

[Dolphin Ziggler]

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Do we sell everything off to the US now?

[rIck_dAgless]

We sold Secretfly to the US?

Harsh.

[superflyweight]

We sold Secretfly to the US?

Harsh.

Very harsh on the US. No wonder Trump is stomping about like a big baby.

[GSC]

Renationalise fly

[rIck_dAgless]

We sold Secretfly to the US?

Harsh.

Very harsh on the US.  No wonder Trump is stomping about like a big baby.  

Would explain the temper I guess...

[Dolphin Ziggler]

"There are 76 seats where18-24s outnumber +65s but 57 already Labour. So party could stack up votes, from enthused young voters, for no gain."


Also, Theresa May now apparently refusing to do any Local BBC radio interviews, in contrast to every other party leader

[TRUSSMAN66]

They will stack up votes...They can't win and they don't want to win..

Manifesto is a give away.

All about cementing the left takeover me thinks...

"Miliband got 30 percent and I got 34/35..You want me to stay on??".

But it's good to see youngsters interested..

Right ??...

[GSC]

Do they stay interested if they don't win?

Corbyn a superb campaigner but very lacklustre between campaigns. Might be the only leader May can beat in 5 years time.

[TRUSSMAN66]

You don't honestly think they will let May anywhere near another General do you ??

Awful campaigner.

[GSC]

I suspected Rudd was being lined up but May has to jump first

[TRUSSMAN66]

The Conservative that beat Farage in 2015 is having a bad day.

[GSC]

Is this the registering the battle bus as a national expense rather than local thing or different?

[TRUSSMAN66]

Last Ipsos mori...

Con 49
Labour 33...

Today's ipsos mori...

Con 45
Labour 40....

[Muscular-mouse]

Last Ipsos mori...

Con 49
Labour 33...

Today's ipsos mori...

Con 45
Labour 40....

what does that mean for seats?

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