UK General Election 2017 Thread

by Muscular-mouse Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:11 pm

First topic message reminder :

Ok guys what are your predictions, how will you be voting and who do you want to win.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon May 15, 2017 7:55 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You just make statements ...

Let the rest of us debate the facts.....

You just spout Google raspberry

. Did you not read Hero's post?

by **navyblueshorts** Mon May 15, 2017 7:56 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:The rich feed off the poor. How do you think Richard Branson got where he is today? It was through Joe Blogger using his services such as shopping in his stores and paying for TV services. Likewise with the other rich businessmen and such-like they are parasites as well if you want to portray the poor as such. Everyone feeds off of everyone.
Oh bollox. Just like your hyperventilating 'abhorrence' verbiage, the same applies to your 'rich feeding off the poor'. Breathe!!!!!

Your example of Branson is one of the worst you could pick too. Those who purchase stuff from Branson are free not to you know....
Where did his millions come from? Harry Potter never waved a wand and it ended in his lap. The everyday man in the street filled his coffers over the years. Without shoppers he'dibe nowhere now. The entrepreneurialism came later once foundations had been laid by the millions people had spent in Virgin stores. That is Richard living off the poor to get him started is it not? Without their loyalty and spending he may have ended up a down and out on the streets.
Jesus! You really are off with the pixies (and Marxists) aren't you? You have no idea. There's not a lot of rational debate to be had with this viewpoint.

Why are you having a go at Marxists.......Didn't do Cuba any harm after the awful Batista.....(He was the leader before Castro)..

Cheap and ill informed comment.....
Oh FFS. Yeah, the Communist ideal was such a success. Marvellous. Taken the World by storm. Don't start on with this Straw Man nonsense again eh?

You just make statements like on the Trump thread....No substance to you...You aren't informed and get personal when challenged..

You don't even know what marxism is..
Blah, blah, blah, blah, Straw Man, blah, blah....
Wish I was the intellect that you are.

On that note, let's take Hero's post to heart and have a re-set.

You're a teacher...

Happy to school you on whatever...

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon May 15, 2017 7:57 am

Maybe grammar schools are a good idea..

Give us a kiss but no tongues... raspberry

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon May 15, 2017 8:07 am

Regional poll analysis apparently is showing this kind of projection..

Con - 390
Lab - 179
LD - 12
SNP - 47
PC - 3
Green - 1....

by GSC Mon May 15, 2017 8:12 am

Saw 385 the other day but either way a significant majority

by **navyblueshorts** Mon May 15, 2017 8:14 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Maybe grammar schools are a good idea..

Give us a kiss but no tongues...

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon May 15, 2017 8:15 am

The Lib dems are talking about legalising Cannabis.

They are having to go radical because they can't get a look in because the top 2 have such different agendas.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon May 15, 2017 8:17 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Regional poll analysis apparently is showing this kind of projection..

Con - 390
Lab - 179
LD - 12
SNP - 47
PC - 3
Green - 1....

Significant majority if that's the way it pans out.

by **Crimey** Mon May 15, 2017 8:31 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The Lib dems are talking about legalising Cannabis.

They are having to go radical because they can't get a look in because the top 2 have such different agendas.

Not sure legalising cannabis is that radical these days. Think it's only a matter of time most likely.

by GSC Mon May 15, 2017 8:37 am

If you manage time in generations

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon May 15, 2017 8:40 am

Cannabis looks like a Lib dem attempted headline grab in a radical election..

Labour should have gone a little further and promised us a new car each.

Still maybe they can attract people the polls won't pick up....

Trump and Sanders attracted non voters..

by **navyblueshorts** Mon May 15, 2017 8:40 am

Crimey wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The Lib dems are talking about legalising Cannabis.

They are having to go radical because they can't get a look in because the top 2 have such different agendas.

Not sure legalising cannabis is that radical these days. Think it's only a matter of time most likely.

Probably. They should make it absolutely clear, if so, that it's on your own head be it if it turns out your brain's FUBAR down the line.

by **Crimey** Mon May 15, 2017 8:40 am

GSC wrote:If you manage time in generations

Potentially, but most would have said the same about the same thing in the US and that's been legalised in plenty of places.

I don't care either way, but just not sure it's a particularly radical policy.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon May 15, 2017 8:44 am

In 26 states and only for medical purposes if I'm correct.

by **Crimey** Mon May 15, 2017 8:54 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:In 26 states and only for medical purposes if I'm correct.

I know Colorado have legalised recreational marijuana, thought there was more, may be wrong.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon May 15, 2017 9:00 am

Crimey wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:In 26 states and only for medical purposes if I'm correct.

I know Colorado have legalised recreational marijuana, thought there was more, may be wrong.

I'm not an expert on the subject...Laws are changing all the time maybe there is more than 26 states now and it's more lax.

Only drugs I ever took were for lifting weights.

Interesting that it is a Brexit election and according to voters it comes way below the NHS and the Economy on voters minds.

Not sure voters appreciate what a big decision Brexit was..

by **navyblueshorts** Mon May 15, 2017 9:02 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Crimey wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:In 26 states and only for medical purposes if I'm correct.

I know Colorado have legalised recreational marijuana, thought there was more, may be wrong.

I'm not an expert on the subject...Laws are changing all the time maybe there is more than 26 states now and it's more lax.

Only drugs I ever took were for lifting weights.

Interesting that it is a Brexit election and according to voters it comes way below the NHS and the Economy on voters minds.

Not sure voters appreciate what a big decision Brexit was..

Especially if the Observer reports from yesterday's papers are in any way accurate. Someone seriously needs to look into it.

by Derbymanc Mon May 15, 2017 9:11 am

Wooooah, chill out a bit fella's. I know it's a passionate subject but we don't get anywhere giving each other loads of crap. we don't have to agree but we can get on and debate nicely (look at me and the yank)

Didn't the MP's vote against the first payrise and got slapped down and told him it was tough

by **ShahenshahG** Mon May 15, 2017 9:29 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Crimey wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:In 26 states and only for medical purposes if I'm correct.

I know Colorado have legalised recreational marijuana, thought there was more, may be wrong.

I'm not an expert on the subject...Laws are changing all the time maybe there is more than 26 states now and it's more lax.

Only drugs I ever took were for lifting weights.

Interesting that it is a Brexit election and according to voters it comes way below the NHS and the Economy on voters minds.

Not sure voters appreciate what a big decision Brexit was..
Especially if the Observer reports from yesterday's papers are in any way accurate. Someone seriously needs to look into it.

Link please mate

by **Pal Joey** Mon May 15, 2017 11:59 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Regional poll analysis apparently is showing this kind of projection..

Con - 390
Lab - 179
LD - 12
SNP - 47
PC - 3
Green - 1....

Oh, so someone did poll you. Get in early as they say. thumbsup

by **navyblueshorts** Tue May 16, 2017 12:32 am

ShahenshahG wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Crimey wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:In 26 states and only for medical purposes if I'm correct.

I know Colorado have legalised recreational marijuana, thought there was more, may be wrong.

I'm not an expert on the subject...Laws are changing all the time maybe there is more than 26 states now and it's more lax.

Only drugs I ever took were for lifting weights.

Interesting that it is a Brexit election and according to voters it comes way below the NHS and the Economy on voters minds.

Not sure voters appreciate what a big decision Brexit was..
Especially if the Observer reports from yesterday's papers are in any way accurate. Someone seriously needs to look into it.

Link please mate

Here you go:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/14/robert-mercer-cambridge-analytica-leave-eu-referendum-brexit-campaigns

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue May 16, 2017 5:50 am

Tories look a good bet to pick up 5 seats from the SNP...Labour 1 and Lib dems 1/2 if you believe the guy on Political betting.

54 to 47 seats...Still a healthy majority but maybe the gloss is wearing off slightly....Or maybe Brexit works against them in those seats.

As for the Corbyn manifesto...#speechless.

by **ShahenshahG** Tue May 16, 2017 5:54 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Crimey wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:In 26 states and only for medical purposes if I'm correct.

I know Colorado have legalised recreational marijuana, thought there was more, may be wrong.

I'm not an expert on the subject...Laws are changing all the time maybe there is more than 26 states now and it's more lax.

Only drugs I ever took were for lifting weights.

Interesting that it is a Brexit election and according to voters it comes way below the NHS and the Economy on voters minds.

Not sure voters appreciate what a big decision Brexit was..
Especially if the Observer reports from yesterday's papers are in any way accurate. Someone seriously needs to look into it.

Link please mate
Here you go:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/14/robert-mercer-cambridge-analytica-leave-eu-referendum-brexit-campaigns

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

Cheers

by GSC Tue May 16, 2017 6:56 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Tories look a good bet to pick up 5 seats from the SNP...Labour 1 and Lib dems 1/2 if you believe the guy on Political betting.

54 to 47 seats...Still a healthy majority but maybe the gloss is wearing off slightly....Or maybe Brexit works against them in those seats.

As for the Corbyn manifesto...#speechless.

#fullycosted

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue May 16, 2017 8:55 am

Tim Farron says the Labour party is dead.

Coming from the guy leading a party that went from 57 seats to 8 and has been stuck around 8 percent for nearly 7 years it is an interesting observation.

Coming soon the Sunderland F.C chairman saying why Swansea are a bunch of no hopers.

by GSC Wed May 17, 2017 1:01 am

McCluskey saying losing 30 seats would be a good result.

This is like United trying to sell 6th place and a EL final as a good season.

by Ent Wed May 17, 2017 1:38 am

GSC wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Tories look a good bet to pick up 5 seats from the SNP...Labour 1 and Lib dems 1/2 if you believe the guy on Political betting.

54 to 47 seats...Still a healthy majority but maybe the gloss is wearing off slightly....Or maybe Brexit works against them in those seats.

As for the Corbyn manifesto...#speechless.

#fullycosted

Apart from the £58 billion or so.

Some good things in the labour manifesto but it is all so fanciful. Sure we'll just tax the life out of big business post EU exit and they'll just hang around.

by GSC Wed May 17, 2017 2:20 am

Probably just as well I didn't trust Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott to pass a maths GCSE before that anyway.

by temporary21 Wed May 17, 2017 4:03 am

Farron is promising a new referendum

TBH it's a clever ploy. He knows he can't win but he vouod gain a lot of ground from the young and remainers

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed May 17, 2017 4:26 am

Liberals are dropping in the polls and everyone knows they are the remain party...

Labour have gone so radical it doesn't matter what the Liberals do..

Straight choice between a once in a lifetime try for fairness at all costs or the safe hands of May...Polls are backing this up...Labour at a 3 year high on 33....Conservatives up to 48..

Liberals down 3 from 11 to 8 percent...They are down as well in the last 3 polls.

Getting squeezed.

McCluskey has just survived a leadership attempt he's distancing himself away from this mess.

Not sure the mess is over on June 8..Look for Labour's percentage...

Ukip are dead and Miliband got 30 percent last time..My guess is Corbyn will beat that and may say "Look we got more votes than last time".. Remember he is on the leadership ballot automatically if he wants to be and got 60 percent last time with 100,000 voters barred from voting last time.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed May 17, 2017 4:53 am

New Business insider poll out.

Corbyn is a bigger vote winner than Yvette Cooper..Tony Blair and Ed Miliband.

He's having huge rallies and lots of them.....Labour have come out fighting...

Stir the S**t storm.. Give the Students an adventure....Nothing more attractive than enthusiasm....

Get something going.... MAKE THIS ELECTION INTERESTING!!!

Momentum can be a strange thing..

by GSC Wed May 17, 2017 4:57 am

Problem is I'm not sure rallies of his own supporters really convince anyone else. He should roll the dice, turn up on the leaders debate. He's down 15-20 on the Tories, what does he have to lose.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed May 17, 2017 5:16 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:New Business insider poll out.

Corbyn is a bigger vote winner than Yvette Cooper..Tony Blair and Ed Miliband.

He's having huge rallies and lots of them.....Labour have come out fighting...

Stir the S**t storm.. Give the Students an adventure....Nothing more attractive than enthusiasm....

Get something going.... MAKE THIS ELECTION INTERESTING!!!

Momentum can be a strange thing..

Certainly more interesting that it might have been. Will need a lot more and better analyses of Labour's manifesto costs for me to go there, for all I agree with significant bits of the sentiment. Corbyn's previous stance on defence/Trident is an issue for me.

by TopHat24/7 Wed May 17, 2017 5:35 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:New Business insider poll out.

Corbyn is a bigger vote winner than Yvette Cooper..Tony Blair and Ed Miliband.

He's having huge rallies and lots of them.....Labour have come out fighting...

Stir the S**t storm.. Give the Students an adventure....Nothing more attractive than enthusiasm....

Get something going.... MAKE THIS ELECTION INTERESTING!!!

Momentum can be a strange thing..

Deliberately mis-leading reporting of the Business Insider poll. It's comparing Corbyn to the toxic 2017 version of Blair, but trying to make it sound like JC is more popular than 1997 boy wonder Blair.

An INDEPENDENT review of ALL polls can be found here:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

In the two most recent polls, Tories increased their lead 2 points on one (to 18) and decreased their lead by 1 point on the other (to 14).

The two before that, Survnation and ICM, Tory leads were 18 and 20 points respectively.

Taking May as a whole, Tory lead has average 17.6 and the trendline has a multiple of only 0.1 - there is absolutely d!ck all evidence of any Labour resurgence, jump, or closing of the Tory lead gap.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed May 17, 2017 6:24 am

The 1997 Blair wins a landslide.

Anyone with sense knows that.....Took it for granted anyone with a brain would know I meant this Blair...

Moving on..

by GSC Thu May 18, 2017 5:06 am

Latest poll has Labour closing to 15 points but gaining from the Lib Dems rather than the Tories.

by TopHat24/7 Thu May 18, 2017 5:22 am

which poll was that and when was the fieldwork conducted?

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu May 18, 2017 5:43 am

GSC wrote:Latest poll has Labour closing to 15 points but gaining from the Lib Dems rather than the Tories.

I'll raise you.......

Last Yougov...................Con 49............Lab 31..

Latest Yougov.................Con 45...........Lab 32....

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu May 18, 2017 6:25 am

Ipsos mori.............Apr 2017....

Con 49...........Lab 26........Lib 13...........Green 3

Ipsos Mori.............may 2017..

Con 49..........Lab 34.........Lib 7.............Green 1..

GSC must mean this one... thumbsup

by GSC Thu May 18, 2017 6:42 am

Those are the figures I saw, yeah.

by TopHat24/7 Thu May 18, 2017 9:04 am

Lol

Trawl back through the archives to find a anomolously wide polling result to compare to one most recent closer poll.

MASSIVE GAINS MASSIVE GAINS MASSIVE GAINS

Stick to the 'roids.

by GSC Thu May 18, 2017 9:12 am

Hey I just saw a poll result and the deltas.

Imagine it was always likely to close up some nearer the time though.

by TopHat24/7 Thu May 18, 2017 9:30 am

GSC wrote:Hey I just saw a poll result and the deltas.

Imagine it was always likely to close up some nearer the time though.

No worries, wasn't aimed at you as I'm sure you know!

I put some decent money on Corbyn out performing. He's a cr@p leader but great campaigner - knows how to rally and he's momentum on his side.

Still don't think it's enough for Labour to singlehandedly overthrow a combined Tory+UKIP voter pool, especially with Scotland now long lost it seems.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu May 18, 2017 9:35 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:Lol

Trawl back through the archives to find a anomolously wide polling result to compare to one most recent closer poll.

MASSIVE GAINS MASSIVE GAINS MASSIVE GAINS

Stick to the 'roids.

Strange post.....Never suggested any gains..

Anomalously..isn't it ??

by GSC Thu May 18, 2017 9:35 am

I don't think it'll be close

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu May 18, 2017 9:37 am

GSC wrote:I don't think it'll be close

Neither do I..

Big night for Farron etc tonight....Leaders debate. A chance for someone to shine maybe.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri May 19, 2017 4:50 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:Lol

Trawl back through the archives to find a anomolously wide polling result to compare to one most recent closer poll.

MASSIVE GAINS MASSIVE GAINS MASSIVE GAINS

Stick to the 'roids.

Watch the tone, toppy. Policing this section of the forum isn't fun around election time

by **Galted** Fri May 19, 2017 5:24 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Lol

Trawl back through the archives to find a anomolously wide polling result to compare to one most recent closer poll.

MASSIVE GAINS MASSIVE GAINS MASSIVE GAINS

Stick to the 'roids.

Watch the tone, toppy. Policing this section of the forum isn't fun around election time

It might help if you had a better quality of moderator (present company excluded, of course, with you being my second favourite poster)

by **superflyweight** Fri May 19, 2017 5:29 am

Galted wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Lol

Trawl back through the archives to find a anomolously wide polling result to compare to one most recent closer poll.

MASSIVE GAINS MASSIVE GAINS MASSIVE GAINS

Stick to the 'roids.

Watch the tone, toppy. Policing this section of the forum isn't fun around election time

It might help if you had a better quality of moderator (present company excluded, of course, with you being my second favourite poster)

Smiles shyly at Galted.

by **Galted** Fri May 19, 2017 5:34 am

Ziggler returned my username after Adam's rampage so I'll always have a special place in my heart for him. And dolphins are now my favourite out of all the aquatic and semiaquatic mammals.

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