British & Irish Lions Squad 2017

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Scottrf wrote:Lawes was better than AWJ every week in the 6 Nations and isn't injured yet he's the strange call

AWJ is a leader and well respected by his peers as well as being a former winning Lions test captain.

Lions players aren't just based on how well they did in the six nations, they are picked on how well the coaches think they will gel into the squad.

You need leaders on and off the pitch.

Taylorman wrote:You see thats where you get carried away.
Did Tana and Keven meet and decide...Hey, how about we try and end BODs career today? No.

No, I don't think they did.

However, I do think it's very likely NZ players were told to make sure they let BOD know they were there. Why on earth wouldn't you? It's a time-honoured tactic for teams to target a key player on the opposition. In the same era, Jonny Wilkinson came in for a lot of late hits, and Johnny Sexton gets them today.

Big occasions get the adrenaline running like no other. When Schalk Burger gouged Luke Fitzgerald in the first minutes of  the 2nd Lions Test in 2009, it was often said that "He's not that kind of player". Sam Warburton was red-carded 18 minutes into a World Cup semi-final for a spear tackle on Vincent Clerc, something that hasn't happened to him since.

Umaga and Mealamu saw an opportunity to dump BOD on his backside in the guise of clearing out (the ball had already gone). They didn't confer, they both made their own decisions but the combined impact tipped BOD further than either would have done alone, and both players were too fired-up to pull-out.

I wouldn't equate their act with Richard Loe kneeing a prone Paul Carozza in the back, or Jamie Joseph stamping on the ankle of Kyran Bracken. Nor even Andrew Hore sending Bradley Davies out of the match with a dirty hit. Certainly, all the incidents happened off the ball, but those other All Blacks set out to illegally hurt the opposition players.

Umaga and Mealamu may not have intended to put BOD out of rugby for half a year but once they had him prone with his legs in the air, there were going to be consequences to following through.

Whenever a player is laid out on the field getting medical attention, it's pretty common for the opposition to check on him. That's even more the case when a stretcher comes into play. Umaga wasn't just one of the offenders, he was All Black captain, and it was the Lions captain on the deck. Very poor form that he stayed clear. At least Justin Marshall had the courtesy to do.

It's hard not to think both Umaga and Mealamu knew they were culpable and decided to keep their distance. Their actions at the time, and reactions afterwards, do them no credit, regardless of what upstanding characters they have been elsewhere.

There's a great Japanese expression called "gyaku gire" which we don't really have in English. Someone else has described it this way:

It’s when you get mad at someone for a legitimate reason and they in turn get mad at you for bringing up the fact that they did something wrong. The other person’s anger is unjustified, irrational, and often of a greater degree than your own.

For me, the All Black reaction to the incident is a textbook example of gyaku gire. I'm sure it wasn't very palatable listening to Clive Woodward going through an overblown presentation of the act, and why it deserved a citing. Still, it was quite remarkable to see the All Blacks immediately start to see themselves as the injured party.

Rugby Fan wrote:

Taylorman wrote:You see thats where you get carried away.
Did Tana and Keven meet and decide...Hey, how about we try and end BODs career today? No.

No, I don't think they did.

However, I do think it's very likely NZ players were told to make sure they let BOD know they were there. Why on earth wouldn't you? It's a time-honoured tactic for teams to target a key player on the opposition. In the same era, Jonny Wilkinson came in for a lot of late hits, and Johnny Sexton gets them today.

Big occasions get the adrenaline running like no other. When Schalk Burger gouged Luke Fitzgerald in the first minutes of  the 2nd Lions Test in 2009, it was often said that "He's not that kind of player". Sam Warburton was red-carded 18 minutes into a World Cup semi-final for a spear tackle on Vincent Clerc, something that hasn't happened to him since.

Umaga and Mealamu saw an opportunity to dump BOD on his backside in the guise of clearing out (the ball had already gone). They didn't confer, they both made their own decisions but the combined impact tipped BOD further than either would have done alone, and both players were too fired-up to pull-out.

I wouldn't equate their act with Richard Loe kneeing a prone Paul Carozza in the back, or Jamie Joseph stamping on the ankle of Kyran Bracken. Nor even Andrew Hore sending Bradley Davies out of the match with a dirty hit. Certainly, all the incidents happened off the ball, but those other All Blacks set out to illegally hurt the opposition players.

Umaga and Mealamu may not have intended to put BOD out of rugby for half a year but once they had him prone with his legs in the air, there were going to be consequences to following through.

Whenever a player is laid out on the field getting medical attention, it's pretty common for the opposition to check on him. That's even more the case when a stretcher comes into play. Umaga wasn't just one of the offenders, he was All Black captain, and it was the Lions captain on the deck. Very poor form that he stayed clear. At least Justin Marshall had the courtesy to do.

It's hard not to think both Umaga and Mealamu knew they were culpable and decided to keep their distance. Their actions at the time, and reactions afterwards, do them no credit, regardless of what upstanding characters they have been elsewhere.

There's a great Japanese expression called "gyaku gire" which we don't really have in English. Someone else has described it this way:

It’s when you get mad at someone for a legitimate reason and they in turn get mad at you for bringing up the fact that they did something wrong. The other person’s anger is unjustified, irrational, and often of a greater degree than your own.

For me, the All Black reaction to the incident is a textbook example of gyaku gire. I'm sure it wasn't very palatable listening to Clive Woodward going through an overblown presentation of the act, and why it deserved a citing. Still, it was quite remarkable to see the All Blacks immediately start to see themselves as the injured party.

Very good, covers it nicely I think. All up, not a good thing. I agree Hores was worse as he got frustrated at the guy deliberately shadowing him and struck out- time the important difference there. On one hand I can understand the frustration, but not the result. He had every intention of hurting the guy.

With BOD, time wasnt on his side, and Tana's and Mealamu's individual actions, although done independently, conspired to magnify the result. Much different in terms of intent, 'pre-planning'

But do agree with the non apology, non checking on BOD on the ground. I still don't get that. Wouldnt have been that hard.

Nice analogy with the 'gyaku gire' expression and similarly I wonder what the initial 'mens rea' - the state of the guilty mind- was both immediately after the incident and after they'd seen the video, for both Tana and Keven. Its possible they allowed the semi freakish circumstances of the tackle (one up one down- each not fully aware of the other) take most of the blame...thats rugby kind of thing.

Nice read though  

There disciplinary record doesn't matter when the act itself was worthy of a lengthy, personally have always felt it was a pre-ordained plan to take O'Driscoll out the game.

aucklandlaurie wrote:The roof is permanently shut, you woudnt find us Kiwis engaging in this roof open/shut malarkey.

I don't think you understand our humour and sarcasm! I know it's permanently shut. That's why I made the comment.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:There disciplinary record doesn't matter when the act itself was worthy of a lengthy, personally have always felt it was a pre-ordained plan to take O'Driscoll out the game.

It looked like that to me too however, BOD always has maintained that he didnt think it was intentional and yet Kiwis seem to hold a huge grudge on him for having the audacity for having a smashed collarbone in a match against the ever irreproachable ABs.

He said as much in this recent podcast:

http://www.newstalk.com/brian-odriscoll-keith-wood-on-2017-lions-squad

Taylorman wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Taylorman wrote:Yeah I just think some people shouldn't play this game. It's just too hard for some. can't take it, don't play it. Simple. Understand it went unpenalised, understand he was hurt, and understand it was unintentional.

A few things conspired at the same time to result in a near worst case scenario, none if it intentional. Unfortunately it happens.

What a load of horse crap, they picked him up off the ball and drove him into the ground, Umaga and Mealamu are scumbags.

Perhaps...and BOD's a moaner- a serial one. Cant have it both ways Hammer.

How is that having it both ways, BOD moans about a couple of scumbags trying to end his career so what?

You see thats where you get carried away.
Did Tana and Keven meet and decide...Hey, how about we try and end BODs career today? No, unless you have proof that they did other than an emotionally fuelled view of the tackle.
Are they actually scumbags? No. They had a moment. Tana is crdited for saving a players life by preventing his tongue from being swollen. A scumbag may not have done that perhaps.
Mealamu is credited with doing countless projects and services to his community over the years- thousands of hours where he's helped wider family and the youth of South Auckland.

So no, sorry, stop being over emotive. It was an unfortunate moment that can happen in rugby- and much worse does. That they didnt apologise isnt great but that probably wasnt helped by BODs persistent raising it over the years, tweeting and withdrawing them, using the media to promote his cause. he did the same with Gats in 2013 when he should have just...said nufg and respected the decision to put a winning side onto the field. But nope. Away he went...

It doesn't have to be premeditated to be an attempt to seriously injure a player, and one that could have perhaps ended his career.

I remember Mealamu's charity work and strong Christian values being highlighted again when he drove his head into the back of a prone Lewis Moody's head at Twickenham. He also pointed to his clean disciplinary record, which although true was laughable in light of 2005.

This wasn't a reckless tackle, this was completely off the ball, needless and dangerous. Both should have missed the remainder of the series and a decent chunk of rugby afterwards as well, regardless of whether of how you appraise O'Driscoll's reaction to the incident.

Griff wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:The roof is permanently shut, you woudnt find us Kiwis engaging in this roof open/shut malarkey.

I don't think you understand our humour and sarcasm!  I know it's permanently shut.  That's why I made the comment.

 Never a truer word spoken Griff, I dont understand Welsh humour at all.

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Griff wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:The roof is permanently shut, you woudnt find us Kiwis engaging in this roof open/shut malarkey.

I don't think you understand our humour and sarcasm!  I know it's permanently shut.  That's why I made the comment.

 Never a truer word spoken Griff, I dont understand Welsh humour at all.

British humour, Laurie. British.

Griff wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Griff wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:The roof is permanently shut, you woudnt find us Kiwis engaging in this roof open/shut malarkey.

I don't think you understand our humour and sarcasm!  I know it's permanently shut.  That's why I made the comment.

 Never a truer word spoken Griff, I dont understand Welsh humour at all.

British humour, Laurie.  British.

British and Irish humour, Griff. British and Irish.

Does that include Gibraltarian humour?

In the midst of all this re: BOD, can we console ourselves with the fact that we're not as pathetic as this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39729222

robbo277 wrote:In the midst of all this re: BOD, can we console ourselves with the fact that we're not as pathetic as this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39729222

Oh for Fuchs sake...

Looks like we are not allowed to discuss a very serious issue then!

Normal service resumed, please continue.

Why did they drop BOD on his head?

Was there ever a real reason given?

What bothers me the most about that ordeal is the on-going denial from Kiwi's. It was a shocking challenge and as usual it went unpunished

Maybe the posters who can't handle a serious discussion are the problem and not the serious subject raised in a forum about rugby?

Cyril wrote:

Griff wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Griff wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:The roof is permanently shut, you woudnt find us Kiwis engaging in this roof open/shut malarkey.

I don't think you understand our humour and sarcasm!  I know it's permanently shut.  That's why I made the comment.

 Never a truer word spoken Griff, I dont understand Welsh humour at all.

British humour, Laurie.  British.

British and Irish humour, Griff. British and Irish.

No. Different sense of humour in Ireland (Republic of), Cyril. Different sense of humour.

Griff wrote:

Cyril wrote:

Griff wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Griff wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:The roof is permanently shut, you woudnt find us Kiwis engaging in this roof open/shut malarkey.

I don't think you understand our humour and sarcasm!  I know it's permanently shut.  That's why I made the comment.

 Never a truer word spoken Griff, I dont understand Welsh humour at all.

British humour, Laurie.  British.

British and Irish humour, Griff. British and Irish.

No.  Different sense of humour in Ireland (Republic of), Cyril.  Different sense of humour.  

It isnt that different, if it was people like Graham Norton, Sean Hughes, Dylan Moran, Aisling Bea, Daire O'Briain, David O'Doherty, Terry Wogan etc. would not have been as sucessful in the UK as they are/were. There have been a high number of Edinburgh comedy award winners from Ireland.

It also works the other way round. John Bishop first found success as a comedian in Ireland in small venues before he became a household name in the UK.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Griff wrote:

Cyril wrote:

Griff wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Griff wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:The roof is permanently shut, you woudnt find us Kiwis engaging in this roof open/shut malarkey.

I don't think you understand our humour and sarcasm!  I know it's permanently shut.  That's why I made the comment.

 Never a truer word spoken Griff, I dont understand Welsh humour at all.

British humour, Laurie.  British.

British and Irish humour, Griff. British and Irish.

No.  Different sense of humour in Ireland (Republic of), Cyril.  Different sense of humour.  

It isnt that different, if it was people like Graham Norton, Sean Hughes, Dylan Moran, Aisling Bea, Daire O'Briain, David O'Doherty, Terry Wogan etc. would not have been as sucessful in the UK as they are/were. There have been a high number of Edinburgh comedy award winners from Ireland.

It also works the other way round. John Bishop first found success as a comedian in Ireland in small venues before he became a household name in the UK.

Yeah, it's not that different, although I've never heard of Aisling Bea or David O'Doherty. Quite like Sean Hughes and Dylan Moran and O'Briain is harmless enough.

Ireland is responsible for that awful Mrs Brown's Boys. Please take him back and don't let him out! Having said that, Britain has its fair share of rubbish comedians.

robbo277 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Taylorman wrote:Yeah I just think some people shouldn't play this game. It's just too hard for some. can't take it, don't play it. Simple. Understand it went unpenalised, understand he was hurt, and understand it was unintentional.

A few things conspired at the same time to result in a near worst case scenario, none if it intentional. Unfortunately it happens.

What a load of horse crap, they picked him up off the ball and drove him into the ground, Umaga and Mealamu are scumbags.

Perhaps...and BOD's a moaner- a serial one. Cant have it both ways Hammer.

How is that having it both ways, BOD moans about a couple of scumbags trying to end his career so what?

You see thats where you get carried away.
Did Tana and Keven meet and decide...Hey, how about we try and end BODs career today? No, unless you have proof that they did other than an emotionally fuelled view of the tackle.
Are they actually scumbags? No. They had a moment. Tana is crdited for saving a players life by preventing his tongue from being swollen. A scumbag may not have done that perhaps.
Mealamu is credited with doing countless projects and services to his community over the years- thousands of hours where he's helped wider family and the youth of South Auckland.

So no, sorry, stop being over emotive. It was an unfortunate moment that can happen in rugby- and much worse does. That they didnt apologise isnt great but that probably wasnt helped by BODs persistent raising it over the years, tweeting and withdrawing them, using the media to promote his cause. he did the same with Gats in 2013 when he should have just...said nufg and respected the decision to put a winning side onto the field. But nope. Away he went...

It doesn't have to be premeditated to be an attempt to seriously injure a player, and one that could have perhaps ended his career.

I remember Mealamu's charity work and strong Christian values being highlighted again when he drove his head into the back of a prone Lewis Moody's head at Twickenham. He also pointed to his clean disciplinary record, which although true was laughable in light of 2005.

This wasn't a reckless tackle, this was completely off the ball, needless and dangerous. Both should have missed the remainder of the series and a decent chunk of rugby afterwards as well, regardless of whether of how you appraise O'Driscoll's reaction to the incident.

Well said, and this is why we are able to voice our opinions.

Even if your 'opinion' is wrong.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Even if your 'opinion' is wrong.

Yawn...this ship has sailed. Same topic, different actors. Time for others to take it up next time. personally on this occasion I think there's been an attempt at a somewhat mature approach both ways in portions of it, with an understandable number of over the top comments.

But those looking for a complete resolution will always be disappointed. And that's fine too.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Griff wrote:

Cyril wrote:

Griff wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Griff wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:The roof is permanently shut, you woudnt find us Kiwis engaging in this roof open/shut malarkey.

I don't think you understand our humour and sarcasm!  I know it's permanently shut.  That's why I made the comment.

 Never a truer word spoken Griff, I dont understand Welsh humour at all.

British humour, Laurie.  British.

British and Irish humour, Griff. British and Irish.

No.  Different sense of humour in Ireland (Republic of), Cyril.  Different sense of humour.  

It isnt that different, if it was people like Graham Norton, Sean Hughes, Dylan Moran, Aisling Bea, Daire O'Briain, David O'Doherty, Terry Wogan etc. would not have been as sucessful in the UK as they are/were. There have been a high number of Edinburgh comedy award winners from Ireland.

It also works the other way round. John Bishop first found success as a comedian in Ireland in small venues before he became a household name in the UK.

You obviously don't get my humour!

Taylorman wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Even if your 'opinion' is wrong.

Yawn...this ship has sailed. Same topic, different actors. Time for others to take it up next time. personally on this occasion I think there's been an attempt at a somewhat mature approach both ways in portions of it, with an understandable number of over the top comments.

But those looking for a complete resolution will always be disappointed. And that's fine too.

Receiving an invite to NZ was my favourite part. Never got to find out what aucklandlaurie was planning to teach me, though.

Anyway, I think this thread has been rather humorous.

Cyril wrote:
Yeah, it's not that different, although I've never heard of Aisling Bea or David O'Doherty. Quite like Sean Hughes and Dylan Moran and O'Briain is harmless enough.

Ireland is responsible for that awful Mrs Brown's Boys. Please take him back and don't let him out! Having said that, Britain has its fair share of rubbish comedians.

Mrs. Brown's boys isnt really popular in Ireland at all compared to the UK market which it seems to flourish in and it was made for UK audiences. Its not unlike a lot of shoite already there.

Aisling Bea is funny for a woman. She was arunner up in the Edinburgh comedy awards and is on Ducks Quacks dont echo, Have I got news for you, nine out of 10 cats, Travel man and any number of UK shows. David O'Doherty won the Edinburgh comedy awards and features on similar shows.

C'mon boys......Father Ted!!

Sgt_Pooly wrote:C'mon boys......Father Ted!!

Can't talk about Irish comedians without mentioning Dave Allen.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Mrs. Brown's boys isnt really popular in Ireland at all compared to the UK market which it seems to flourish in and it was made for UK audiences. Its not unlike a lot of shoite already there.

I know a lot of English people who think it's hilarious but having Irish heritage I must confess to thinking it's a steaming pile of horse ****,  I don't understand what's meant to be funny about it.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Mrs. Brown's boys isnt really popular in Ireland at all compared to the UK market which it seems to flourish in and it was made for UK audiences. Its not unlike a lot of shoite already there.

I know a lot of English people who think it's hilarious but having Irish heritage I must confess to thinking it's a steaming pile of horse ****,  I don't understand what's meant to be funny about it.

Its like UK politics - we're back in the feicing 70s and the cretins lap it up

Catastrophe is well worth a watch though - a joint Irish-Us comedy written by Sharon Horgan and Rob Delaney.

Rugby Fan wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:C'mon boys......Father Ted!!

Can't talk about Irish comedians without mentioning Dave Allen.

Or Dermot Morgan I suppose aka Fr Ted.

munkian wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Mrs. Brown's boys isnt really popular in Ireland at all compared to the UK market which it seems to flourish in and it was made for UK audiences. Its not unlike a lot of shoite already there.

I know a lot of English people who think it's hilarious but having Irish heritage I must confess to thinking it's a steaming pile of horse ****,  I don't understand what's meant to be funny about it.

Its like UK politics - we're back in the feicing 70s and the cretins lap it up  

Catastrophe is well worth a watch though  - a joint Irish-Us comedy written by Sharon Horgan and Rob Delaney.

Do you know who Sharon Horgan's brother is?

....Shane Horgan former British and Irish Lion.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

munkian wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Mrs. Brown's boys isnt really popular in Ireland at all compared to the UK market which it seems to flourish in and it was made for UK audiences. Its not unlike a lot of shoite already there.

I know a lot of English people who think it's hilarious but having Irish heritage I must confess to thinking it's a steaming pile of horse ****,  I don't understand what's meant to be funny about it.

Its like UK politics - we're back in the feicing 70s and the cretins lap it up  

Catastrophe is well worth a watch though  - a joint Irish-Us comedy written by Sharon Horgan and Rob Delaney.

Do you know who Sharon Horgan's brother is?

....Shane Horgan former British and Irish Lion.

Is she also related to that Ireali politician?

Well Sharon certainly got the looks in the family.

Ariel Sharon?

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

munkian wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Mrs. Brown's boys isnt really popular in Ireland at all compared to the UK market which it seems to flourish in and it was made for UK audiences. Its not unlike a lot of shoite already there.

I know a lot of English people who think it's hilarious but having Irish heritage I must confess to thinking it's a steaming pile of horse ****,  I don't understand what's meant to be funny about it.

Its like UK politics - we're back in the feicing 70s and the cretins lap it up  

Catastrophe is well worth a watch though  - a joint Irish-Us comedy written by Sharon Horgan and Rob Delaney.

Do you know who Sharon Horgan's brother is?

....Shane Horgan former British and Irish Lion.

I did, my Mrs points it out to me every time we blyddi watch it

Question:

Which Lions players have won v the ABs at full international level?

Which have won at underage level?

Senior level:
Leigh Halfpenny
Jonny Sexton
Robbie Hendshaw
Jared Payne
CJ Stander
Conor Murray
Tadgh furlong
Jack McGrath
Owen Farrell
M Vunipola
Dan Cole
Youngs
Lawes
Joseph

Under 20s
Anthony Watson

Anyone else?

I'm not sure you should count that USA friendly. Just proper tests.

When has Halfpenny ever beaten the ABS?

Halfpenny is 0-6.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Question:

Which Lions players have won v the ABs at full international level?

Which have won at underage level?

Wales last beat New Zealand at U20's level in 2013.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/new-zealand-under-20-6---2028866

Halfpenny played for the BaBas when they last beat NZ.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/8374059.stm

LordDowlais wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Question:

Which Lions players have won v the ABs at full international level?

Which have won at underage level?

Wales last beat New Zealand at U20's level in 2013.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/new-zealand-under-20-6---2028866

Yeah but there were no Lions players playing. Same when Ireland under 20 beat NZ in 2016.

A sub in a non test match is a stretch but good spot.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Senior level:
Leigh Halfpenny
Jonny Sexton
Robbie Hendshaw
Jared Payne
CJ Stander
Conor Murray
Tadgh furlong
Jack McGrath
Owen Farrell
M Vunipola
Dan Cole
Youngs
Lawes
Joseph

Under 20s
Anthony Watson

Anyone else?

Ross Moriarty and Jack Nowell played in the same England U20 win vs NZ as Anthony Watson.

We're pretty stocked in the backs then, short a couple of forwards:

M Vunipola, (...), Furlong, Lawes, (...), Moriarty, (...), Stander.
Murray, Sexton, Nowell, Farrell, Joseph, Watson, Payne.
(...), McGrath, Cole, (...), (...), Youngs, Henshaw, Halfpenny.

robbo277 wrote:We're pretty stocked in the backs then, short a couple of forwards:

M Vunipola, (...), Furlong, Lawes, (...), Moriarty, (...), Stander.
Murray, Sexton, Nowell, Farrell, Joseph, Watson, Payne.
(...), McGrath, Cole, (...), (...), Youngs, Henshaw, Halfpenny.

And in response, NZ have 1 player available who has played the Lions, Jerome Kaino who came off the bench in 2005 for Auckland. And he's out for the next 6 weeks having a knee op

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Senior level:
Leigh Halfpenny
Jonny Sexton
Robbie Hendshaw
Jared Payne
CJ Stander
Conor Murray
Tadgh furlong
Jack McGrath
Owen Farrell
M Vunipola
Dan Cole
Youngs
Lawes
Joseph

Under 20s
Anthony Watson

Anyone else?

Huh?

Oh sorry - just saw the answer about the BaaBaas.