Ireland November Tests.

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What would we like to see?
With ringrose definitely out, and henshaw and Payne looking unlikely, who shall step into the centre pairing?
If all our back row are fit whats the best combo?
Will tonner continue in the row or will he be usurped?

Lots of questions, and the season hasnt even started yet

carpet baboon wrote:I enjoyed the lead into the main article there pot.
Kept me on the edge of my seat.

Damn you already changed it

Sweetnam, Stockdale and Byrne selected as I hoped. Good to see.

carpet baboon wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:I enjoyed the lead into the main article there pot.
Kept me on the edge of my seat.

Damn you already changed it

Text Selection on a mobile can be a bit of a lottery, but I got there in the end...

FORWARDS (21)

LH
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 70 caps
Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 20 caps
Jack McGrath (St Mary's College/Leinster) 41 caps


HK
Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) Captain104 caps
Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 1 cap
James Tracey (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps

TH
Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 16 caps
Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 2 caps
John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 9 caps

LK
Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht) 10 caps
Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 32 caps
James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 2 caps
Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 50 caps
Kieran Treadwell (Ballymena/Ulster) 2 caps

BR
Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 4 caps
Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps
Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 49 caps
Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster) 12 caps
Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 40 caps
Rhys Ruddock (St Mary's College/Leinster) 16 caps
CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 15 caps

SH
Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 16 caps
Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 57 caps

FH
Ian Keatley (Young Munster/Munster) 5 caps
Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 66 caps

C
Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) uncapped
Chris Farrell (Young Munster/Munster) uncapped
Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 29 caps
Stuart McCloskey (Bangor/UIster) 1 cap

OB
Adam Byrne (UCD/Leinster) uncapped
Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Leinster) 4 caps
Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 3 caps
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 62 caps
Dave Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster) 16 caps
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 76 caps
Jacob Stockdale (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) 2 caps
Darren Sweetnam (Cork Constitution/Munster) uncapped

Pot Hale wrote:Sweetnam, Stockdale and Byrne selected as I hoped. Good to see.  

Dave Kearney and Chris Farrell in, Luke Marshall out - bad to see

Only two residency players in the squad. I wonder if Payne has played his last test.

I suspect Zebo’s move announcement was made to get his non-selection out of the way even though his destination club is not officially confirmed yet.

No Cooney, Pete will not be happy


Cannot see why Farrell has been selected, would have preferred Marshall over him (or Scannell)

Dave Kearney is another head scratcher, would have preferred to see TOH in the squad.

Great to see James Ryan and Jack Conan in the squad though, think that are in the best form to start for Ireland.

Pot Hale wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:I enjoyed the lead into the main article there pot.
Kept me on the edge of my seat.

Damn you already changed it

Text Selection on a mobile can be a bit of a lottery, but I got there in the end...

Once replied to a work email on my phone.
Didn't read it back.
The female recipient luckily had a sense of humour.
As some may have taken offence with me asking how her anal went and could she send me a copy

No Tiernan O'Halloran. I suppose Joe wouldn't want to give the Kearney Bros. any competition.

No Sean Cronin either.

So I think Sean Cronin, Rory Scannell, Luke Marshall and Tiernan O'Hallaran, one of Belham or Archer are quite unlucky.

I also think Herring, Porter, Farrell and the Kearney bros are quite lucky.

So no Cooney, Cronin, TOH, Zebo, Rory Scannell, Trimble, Marshall, Bowe, Bealham.

Injured VDF, N Scannell.

Jesus wept, what does Fergus McFadden need to do?

the-goon wrote:So I think Sean Cronin, Rory Scannell, Luke Marshall and Tiernan O'Hallaran, one of Belham or Archer are quite unlucky.

I also think Herring, Porter, Farrell and the Kearney bros are quite lucky.

And Adam Byrne.

Typically Schmidt squad. Most of our deficiencies in attack lie with a blunt midfield and it looks like Schmidt has no interest to move beyond his bish-bosh-kick game plan. No second playmaker type considered at all. I'm sure Schmidt has been irritated by all the calls for Henshaw to move to 13 and will instead wish to prove them all wrong and keep him at 12, with Aki outside him (who has been playing 13 for Connacht). People may also be surprised to see the struggling Farrell in there but he's a big 100kg+ centre so he's an immediate Schmidt favourite.

And of course there's the Kearney brothers. Well, at least McFadden isn't in there...

No Bowe or Trimble either.

Some weird selections in the backs there altogether:

• Kearney Bros must have some lifetime membership for the squad, neither of them are playing at the minute!
  
• Leaving out Tiernan o Halloran, the form available 15 outside of Carbery, for the Kearney Bros. Don't know what more he needs to do.
  
• Adam Bryne surely needs to work on his defence before being near a green shirt
  
• No room for Scannell at 12, despite us not having many kicking options, but room for Chris Farrell when McCloskey fills the big man 12 role better
  
• If you are looking for a different option from Scannell at 12, surely Luke Marshall is better than Chris Farrell?
  
• No room for Cooney, despite his great form and us not having many kicking options, but room for McGrath who was very iffy against Montpellier
  

Rory_Gallagher wrote: People may also be surprised to see the struggling Farrell in there but he's a big 100kg+ centre so he's an immediate Schmidt favourite.

Schmidt likes players to limit their mistakes, Farrell is a liability at the moment. Any half decent defence is going to pick him off and at a minimum turn the ball over and probably end up with tries

Sure you cant have an Irish squad without the Kearnishians

You never know Rory, maybe Schmidt will pick McCloskey and Henshaw at 12-13, that would not be so bad.

Farrell is big, strong and excellent in defence but his attacking play is pretty poor due to his poor distribution skills. I am not so concerned about Aki as he is good in all area's but looked a bit off form recently.

eirebilly wrote:Sure you cant have an Irish squad without the Kearnishians

You never know Rory, maybe Schmidt will pick McCloskey and Henshaw at 12-13, that would not be so bad.

Farrell is big, strong and excellent in defence but his attacking play is pretty poor due to his poor distribution skills. I am not so concerned about Aki as he is good in all area's but looked a bit off form recently.

He might and I would be happy if he does select McCloskey-Henshaw, but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't. I have a feeling that Henshaw/McCloskey are the 12s and Aki/Farrell are the 13s. But honestly, even having one playmaker at 12 would give us more options. Marshall/Scannell both make a lot of yards in contact as well as their playmaking abilities. Not close enough to the Bastareaud type centre I guess.

Aki just shouldn't be in there for numerous reasons. He is porous in defence and frequently misses 3+ tackles per game. Might as well throw Noel Reid in if we want an improved attack. It really is a joke that Marshall and Scannell have been dropped for this guy.

And I really just can't get over the Kearney bros in there. Schmidt just has such a soft spot for some of his old Leinster boys.

marty2086 wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote: People may also be surprised to see the struggling Farrell in there but he's a big 100kg+ centre so he's an immediate Schmidt favourite.

Schmidt likes players to limit their mistakes, Farrell is a liability at the moment. Any half decent defence is going to pick him off and at a minimum turn the ball over and probably end up with tries

Don't worry he won't be throwing too many passes under Schmidt. It'll be straight up the middle bosh. If it was Gatland doing it there would be criticism but Schmidt seems to have some kind of spell over the media.

carpet baboon wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:I enjoyed the lead into the main article there pot.
Kept me on the edge of my seat.

Damn you already changed it

Text Selection on a mobile can be a bit of a lottery, but I got there in the end...

Once replied to a work email on my phone.
Didn't read it back.
The female recipient luckily had a sense of humour.
As some may have taken offence with me asking how her anal went and could she send me a copy

Well don't leave us in suspense! How did it go?

carpet baboon wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:I enjoyed the lead into the main article there pot.
Kept me on the edge of my seat.

Damn you already changed it

Text Selection on a mobile can be a bit of a lottery, but I got there in the end...

Once replied to a work email on my phone.
Didn't read it back.
The female recipient luckily had a sense of humour.
As some may have taken offence with me asking how her anal went and could she send me a copy

We've all used that excuse

Bet if she told you how it went you wouldn't be saying it was a mistake

marty2086 wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:I enjoyed the lead into the main article there pot.
Kept me on the edge of my seat.

Damn you already changed it

Text Selection on a mobile can be a bit of a lottery, but I got there in the end...

Once replied to a work email on my phone.
Didn't read it back.
The female recipient luckily had a sense of humour.
As some may have taken offence with me asking how her anal went and could she send me a copy

We've all used that excuse

Bet if she told you how it went you wouldn't be saying it was a mistake

A very insightful observation. Agreed.

Pot Hale wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:I enjoyed the lead into the main article there pot.
Kept me on the edge of my seat.

Damn you already changed it

Text Selection on a mobile can be a bit of a lottery, but I got there in the end...

Once replied to a work email on my phone.
Didn't read it back.
The female recipient luckily had a sense of humour.
As some may have taken offence with me asking how her anal went and could she send me a copy

We've all used that excuse

Bet if she told you how it went you wouldn't be saying it was a mistake

A very insightful observation.  Agreed.

She gracefully ignored my mistake and suggested I read my emails before I press send.
And to be honest a 61 year olds bedroom antics don't get my motor running, but each to thier own

Marshes wrote:Some weird selections in the backs there altogether:

• Kearney Bros must have some lifetime membership for the squad, neither of them are playing at the minute!
  
• Leaving out Tiernan o Halloran, the form available 15 outside of Carbery, for the Kearney Bros. Don't know what more he needs to do.
  
• Adam Bryne surely needs to work on his defence before being near a green shirt
  
• No room for Scannell at 12, despite us not having many kicking options, but room for Chris Farrell when McCloskey fills the big man 12 role better
  
• If you are looking for a different option from Scannell at 12, surely Luke Marshall is better than Chris Farrell?
  
• No room for Cooney, despite his great form and us not having many kicking options, but room for McGrath who was very iffy against Montpellier
  

Did O'Halloran once do a Schidt on Schmidt's lawn or something? I can't think of a reason why he'd be ommitted bar the usual 'he doesn't know the systems yet' load of BS.
McGrath has been iffy all season yet still gets on the list in front of the much more impressive Cooney.
I do think Farrell and Aki will be holding tackle bags and perhaps even making the off bench spot as there are obviously better options at the moment. I hope it gives Aki a bit of confidence and form back, he seems to have drifted off at the moment. Farrell has plenty to learn and improve on and this could be his chance to prove he can. If he can't it'll be a long spell in the wilderness for him.

Why is Zebo dropped? He's still playing in Ireland... if you get dropped for announcing youre moving abroad, then why is Tadgh Beirne not called up for coming back to Ireland?

What's the story with Cronin not making the squad?

So if we pick the backs on form it's
9 Murray
10 sexton
11 earls
12 big choo Choo stu
13 Robbie "Hench"Shaw (you can thank my wife for that one)
14 the try machine Stockdale
15 ????? Conway. Honestly not seen him play this season but looked good last year

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Why is Zebo dropped? He's still playing in Ireland... if you get dropped for announcing youre moving abroad, then why is Tadgh Beirne not called up for coming back to Ireland?

A few players coming out of contract coming up that might get ideas I'd guess.

profitius wrote:

the-goon wrote:So I think Sean Cronin, Rory Scannell, Luke Marshall and Tiernan O'Hallaran, one of Belham or Archer are quite unlucky.

I also think Herring, Porter, Farrell and the Kearney bros are quite lucky.

And Adam Byrne.

+1 to both contributions

Marshes wrote:Some weird selections in the backs there altogether:

• Kearney Bros must have some lifetime membership for the squad, neither of them are playing at the minute!
  
• Leaving out Tiernan o Halloran, the form available 15 outside of Carbery, for the Kearney Bros. Don't know what more he needs to do.
  
• Adam Bryne surely needs to work on his defence before being near a green shirt
  
• No room for Scannell at 12, despite us not having many kicking options, but room for Chris Farrell when McCloskey fills the big man 12 role better
  
• If you are looking for a different option from Scannell at 12, surely Luke Marshall is better than Chris Farrell?
  
• No room for Cooney, despite his great form and us not having many kicking options, but room for McGrath who was very iffy against Montpellier
  

+1 to all those points

the-goon wrote:No Bowe or Trimble either.

This is one thing Joe got right

Bowe has been a defensive liability and Trimble has been plain crap

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Why is Zebo dropped? He's still playing in Ireland... if you get dropped for announcing youre moving abroad, then why is Tadgh Beirne not called up for coming back to Ireland?

Building towards the RWC, makes more sense blooding those who will be there rather than picking someone who won't

Beirnes not been around the squad yet and probably won't be for another year

marty2086 wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Why is Zebo dropped? He's still playing in Ireland... if you get dropped for announcing youre moving abroad, then why is Tadgh Beirne not called up for coming back to Ireland?

Building towards the RWC, makes more sense blooding those who will be there rather than picking someone who won't

Beirnes not been around the squad yet and probably won't be for another year

I hope the Kearney brothers won't be at the world cup in Japan.

A really weird none selection is Sean Cronin. Either he is injured or something else is up. Zebo has announced his departure but I wonder have Cronin and Tiernan O'Halloran also signed up with foreign sides.

marty2086 wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Why is Zebo dropped? He's still playing in Ireland... if you get dropped for announcing youre moving abroad, then why is Tadgh Beirne not called up for coming back to Ireland?

Building towards the RWC, makes more sense blooding those who will be there rather than picking someone who won't

Beirnes not been around the squad yet and probably won't be for another year

Sexton was continually picked whilst he played in France...

Zebo may also not like France and be back at Munster within a year so again could make the Japan squad. I see no reason for his non selection at all.

Also 'building towards the RWC'? Yeah, that's why the Kearney brothers were picked...

eirebilly wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Why is Zebo dropped? He's still playing in Ireland... if you get dropped for announcing youre moving abroad, then why is Tadgh Beirne not called up for coming back to Ireland?

Building towards the RWC, makes more sense blooding those who will be there rather than picking someone who won't

Beirnes not been around the squad yet and probably won't be for another year

Sexton was continually picked whilst he played in France...

Zebo may also not like France and be back at Munster within a year so again could make the Japan squad. I see no reason for his non selection at all.

Also 'building towards the RWC'? Yeah, that's why the Kearney brothers were picked...

Don't be a silly billy, Zebos signed for two years and you can't work under the assumption that he might come back sooner.

You're just wearing your red blinkers and can't see that the Kearneys for all intents and purposes will be in Ireland in two years and Sexton was the only viable option at 10 when he was in France so falls under the exceptional circumstances the IRFU allow for.

There are a number of contracts up this year so the IRFU are making a statement as well with Zebos exclusion

Don't be silly?

Marty, Zebo was and still is one of the best options Ireland have at 15. He is still currently in Ireland and playing to a standard that warrants selection. If the IRFU are using him as an excuse and deterent to other players then its incredibly poor. What they did with Sexton was wrong in my mind, either make a rule and stick to it or suffer the consequences, allowing exceptions is allowing players to take the pish.

Wearing red blinkers? Grow up man and read what I have written. Sick of straw man arguments like this that are lazy and poorly thought out. If I was wearing red blinkers why would I be unhappy that Farrell was in the squad ahead of Marshall (or others)? Might be an idea to drop this provincial issue you actually have.

The Kearney's being in this squad is an absolute joke, no other way to look at this. Better options available and options that will be better come the RWC. The Kearney's are not the future, they are the past. This was a great opportunity to allow the future a chance to settle into international rugby.

Schmidt's selection policy is as stagnant and predictable as his game plan.

"No Cooney, Pete will not be happy Very Happy"

I feel I must address this with the venom it deserves
I would have been surprised to see Cooney selected to be honest, he has a bit more proving to do but as I said before if he continues his form it'll become more and more difficult to leave him out. That being said my other option to bypass Marmion is in there despite his iffy start to the season. The Leinsterophile in Joe couldn't let a Blue man go without.

"Also 'building towards the RWC'? Yeah, that's why the Kearney brothers were picked..."

This was my initial thought too. To suggest that Zebo's out because he won't be here for the next RWC which is what we're building for yet have 2 Kearneys in the squad one of whom will be on his rugby zimmer frame and and the other is so mediocre his blood's beige. I don't see the logic. Are we looking ahead to the next RWC or are we planning to get a few wins between now and then including the 6N?
Logic isn't something I would attribute to this squad selection though, Chris Farrell is in there. I must have missed his scintillating displays that got him into a Schmidt Ireland squad.

I actually thought that Cooney may have got the nod Pete, especially given his added kicking abilities. Same could be said for Scannell.

Farrell being picked is way off the mark and so many better options than him. His distribution is incredibly poor as shown in his appearances for Munster this year. Very strange call considering the form of others.

eirebilly wrote:Don't be silly?

Marty, Zebo was and still is one of the best options Ireland have at 15. He is still currently in Ireland and playing to a standard that warrants selection. If the IRFU are using him as an excuse and deterent to other players then its incredibly poor. What they did with Sexton was wrong in my mind, either make a rule and stick to it or suffer the consequences, allowing exceptions is allowing players to take the pish.

Wearing red blinkers? Grow up man and read what I have written. Sick of straw man arguments like this that are lazy and poorly thought out. If I was wearing red blinkers why would I be unhappy that Farrell was in the squad ahead of Marshall (or others)? Might be an idea to drop this provincial issue you actually have.

The Kearney's being in this squad is an absolute joke, no other way to look at this. Better options available and options that will be better come the RWC. The Kearney's are not the future, they are the past. This was a great opportunity to allow the future a chance to settle into international rugby.

Schmidt's selection policy is as stagnant and predictable as his game plan.

You're on the wrong forum, Billy.

Look, I can see why Zebo would be dropped if Schmidt was conveying a message that signing for a club outside of Ireland will end your Irish career. But I don't think Schmidt is consistent and I doubt he would have done the same thing had it been Rob Kearney, or Jamie Heaslip or someone like that. Obviously I can't know that for sure, but Schmidt tends to be pretty predictable.

Also, the fact that he has selected the Kearney brothers, and not TOH, makes the Zebo non-selection even worse. Rob Kearney hasn't played for 8 weeks or something, and prior to that he wasn't good and seems to be injury prone nowadays. Dave...I don't even know what to say about that. That leaves the options bare at 15, so if not Zebo, why wouldn't TOH be selected? He's an excellent option there.

Some Leinster fans and Schmidtoids moan at me, but it is quite obvious he has his favourites from his old days as the Leinster coach and he is very stubborn with regards to his selections. If it's clear his tactics or selections are inferior (like Henshaw at 12 rather than 13) he doubles down even harder to prove us all wrong. And it seems his preference are big bosh-merchants in the centres (with the exception of the very talented Ringrose) and a safety-first back three. Great.

TOH not being selected is such a massive shame Rory. TOH is in good form and is ahead of Zebo as the best 15 in Ireland right now so I would definitely have had either him or Zebo in the squad ahead of a player who has not been playing.

Do you think that Conan will get a start ahead of CJ at 8? On form I would certainly give Conan a start at 8.

Sin é wrote:

I hope the Kearney brothers won't be at the world cup in Japan.

Yet another contribution I agree with.

He could have taken TOH, Carbery and Conway to adequately cover 15.

To claim we are building for the World Cup and pick the Kearneys is a so wrong headed to suggest to me the man is either stupid, a liar or he continues to give a free pass to certain Leinster players.

I don't believe he is stupid

Rory_Gallagher wrote: Rob Kearney hasn't played for 8 weeks or something, and prior to that he wasn't good and seems to be injury prone nowadays

Rory has only played about 20 mins in the same period and is picked

marty2086 wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote: Rob Kearney hasn't played for 8 weeks or something, and prior to that he wasn't good and seems to be injury prone nowadays

Rory has only played about 20 mins in the same period and is picked

I'm not sure the two are comparable, which is explained by the rest of the sentence which you quoted and yet conveniently ignored: "...and prior to that he wasn't good and seems to be injury prone nowadays".

eirebilly wrote:Don't be silly?

Marty, Zebo was and still is one of the best options Ireland have at 15. He is still currently in Ireland and playing to a standard that warrants selection. If the IRFU are using him as an excuse and deterent to other players then its incredibly poor. What they did with Sexton was wrong in my mind, either make a rule and stick to it or suffer the consequences, allowing exceptions is allowing players to take the pish.

Wearing red blinkers? Grow up man and read what I have written. Sick of straw man arguments like this that are lazy and poorly thought out. If I was wearing red blinkers why would I be unhappy that Farrell was in the squad ahead of Marshall (or others)? Might be an idea to drop this provincial issue you actually have.

The Kearney's being in this squad is an absolute joke, no other way to look at this. Better options available and options that will be better come the RWC. The Kearney's are not the future, they are the past. This was a great opportunity to allow the future a chance to settle into international rugby.

Schmidt's selection policy is as stagnant and predictable as his game plan.

He's one of the best options despite only playing what? 4 games at 15 for Ireland?

How exactly is it incredibly poor to use Zebo as a deterrent? They pick him and players will think they can move to France and chase the money and play for Ireland which will weaken the provinces further or drive up salaries, the Ireland shirt is an incentive that keeps wages down for the provinces

You accuse me of using a strawman argument yet argue that Zebo may decide to come early?

The Kearneys aren't going anywhere right now so will remain an option going towards the RWC, Zebo won't and he knew this making his decision. Whether you think Kearney is a good option at 15 or not, he is an option and if he makes the squad for Japan any new blood will need to build an understanding with the other players in the squad. All too often in the past, building towards a RWC has been left to late in the day and then botched which reflects on our performances, it's not the case here and I applaud it.

Not to mention that Zebos international exile probably got him a bigger payday, so I doubt it'll sting too much

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote: Rob Kearney hasn't played for 8 weeks or something, and prior to that he wasn't good and seems to be injury prone nowadays

Rory has only played about 20 mins in the same period and is picked

I'm not sure the two are comparable, which is explained by the rest of the sentence which you quoted and yet conveniently ignored: "...and prior to that he wasn't good and seems to be injury prone nowadays".

The injury prone part isn't but Rory was definitely patchy going into the Lions tour and built form over the tour

Kearney wasn't great before getting injured but he wasn't awful like some seem to be making out, I seem to remember the same debate a year ago and people tunes weren't long changing

Like I said, I really do not think that Rory Best and Rob Kearney are comparable for numerous reasons.

marty2086 wrote:

He's one of the best options despite only playing what? 4 games at 15 for Ireland?

How exactly is it incredibly poor to use Zebo as a deterrent? They pick him and players will think they can move to France and chase the money and play for Ireland which will weaken the provinces further or drive up salaries, the Ireland shirt is an incentive that keeps wages down for the provinces

You accuse me of using a strawman argument yet argue that Zebo may decide to come early?

Again, you fail to read or understand what has been said. Happy that you have actually learnt not to use the 'Red Blinker' straw man argument. You may posses the ability to learn after all.

I said that Zebo may return early, it is a possibility. He may not like France and miss Ireland. It happens to many, not sure I see that as a straw man argument so maybe you do not understand that concept of it yet. Keep plugging away and you will get it eventually

Also, keep thinking that the Kearney's are the future and player like TOH, Conway, Zebo or Gilroy no where near them.

Zebo, by the way, has a rather large amount of games at 15 for Munster so is very much considered a winger/fullback.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Like I said, I really do not think that Rory Best and Rob Kearney are comparable for numerous reasons.

+1

If I keep on agreeing with most contributors here I am going to have to have a lie down