Glasgow and Edinburgh banter thread no. 23 - New season, new thread

[BigGee]

First topic message reminder :

Well a new season is probably time to start off a new thread.

2 weeks to the start of the season and both sides with one more pre season game to go. A lot of unknowns this season again, due to the number of players away with Scotland and other countries for the WC.

For Glasgow, can they continue their general excellence that took them on a fantastic end of season run to the Pro 14 Final, where they just fell short. It might be their last campaign under Dave Rennie, so can they go one better?

Edinburgh also have questions to ask, the main one being whether they can ever pass the ball past the FH and how soon before their wingers are likely to go blue from hypothermia? On a more positive note though, they may finally be playing in Mini Murrayfield by autumn 2020. So only one more year to bear playing in the library!

Good luck to both teams for the coming season, though Edinburgh are more likely to need it than Glasgow!

[TheMildlyFranticLlama]

You know, for a prop you think a lot TT.

I’m not a prop, I’m a very naughty boy.

Nah. I’m a stand off that can’t run fast. Or can’t run at all really.

I’m very much a “utility forward”. Apparently I had all the physical attributes and rugby brain to be a great number 8 but my lack of motivation and “bantz” stopped me being the next Ryan Wilson.

Used to get pelters from the coaches for not taking my rugby seriously. I had no intention of taking it seriously. I just enjoyed playing. Some people like hitting folk hard in the tackle. I always felt the ball should be passed before anyone got hit. I should have played touch really. But  I do like a good line out. Scrums can do what Fowles did though and buggeroff

He’s definitely not a prop!

[BigGee]

https://www.606v2.com/t69224-glasgow-warriors-v-sale-sharks-european-champions-cup-saturday-16th-november-2019#3866769

[tigertattie]

You know, for a prop you think a lot TT.

I’m not a prop, I’m a very naughty boy.

Nah. I’m a stand off that can’t run fast. Or can’t run at all really.

I’m very much a “utility forward”. Apparently I had all the physical attributes and rugby brain to be a great number 8 but my lack of motivation and “bantz” stopped me being the next Ryan Wilson.

Used to get pelters from the coaches for not taking my rugby seriously. I had no intention of taking it seriously. I just enjoyed playing. Some people like hitting folk hard in the tackle. I always felt the ball should be passed before anyone got hit. I should have played touch really. But  I do like a good line out. Scrums can do what Fowles did though and buggeroff

He’s definitely not a prop!

I'd have loved to have faced him in a scrum though. Such an cocky wee entitled muppet.

Still, hes gone now so its all good.

[Tramptastic]

What happened to Fowles? Did he sign for another club or was he just let go and his career ended?

[RDW]

Moved down to an English Championship club.

[Tramptastic]

Excellent, he can do less damage down there im sure

In other news former Edinburgh, Leicester tigers, cardiff blues and Agen flanker, Hamilton has signed for Bristol Bears!

[RDW]

Excellent, he can do less damage down there im sure

In other news former Edinburgh, Leicester tigers, cardiff blues and Agen flanker, Hamilton has signed for Bristol Bears!

not to forget a random Japanese team recently!

The ultimate journeyman. I saw on Twitter someone replied saying they look forward to seeing him in a Scotland shirt again soon...

[BigGee]

Hamilton is definitely a good player if not quite international level. He could do with a long term contract somewhere, all the moving around won't help his career

[NeilyBroon]

Hamilton is definitely a good player  if not quite international level. He could do with a long term contract somewhere, all the moving around won't help his career

Bears are a good place to go right now. He'll earn a nice packet and they're playing well. Definitely not international level!

[Tramptastic]

Unless he's decided that he's not quite international quality and that he's rather just travel from club to club seeing the world? which is totally fair!

If you want to reach top international level it kind of limits your opportunities to travel for your work - outwith your home nation that is!

Like if you want to play for Scotland it would be really difficult to go play your club rugby in Australia/new zealand/japan, the seasons are so out of sync you couldnt do both, which is a shame because theres a lot to be said for working abroad/experiencing different cultures etc

Maybe Hamilton has decided he likes the travel more than the scotland recognition!

[RDW]

Unless he's decided that he's not quite international quality and that he's rather just travel from club to club seeing the world? which is totally fair!

If you want to reach top international level it kind of limits your opportunities to travel for your work - outwith your home nation that is!

Like if you want to play for Scotland it would be really difficult to go play your club rugby in Australia/new zealand/japan, the seasons are so out of sync you couldnt do both, which is a shame because theres a lot to be said for working abroad/experiencing different cultures etc

Maybe Hamilton has decided he likes the travel more than the scotland recognition!

I suspect he's being realistic about what his actual Scotland chances are!

I've got a lot of time for him - he was a warhorse doing a thankless task for Edinburgh during a pretty dark period - but he's not international quality.

[NeilyBroon]

Unless he's decided that he's not quite international quality and that he's rather just travel from club to club seeing the world? which is totally fair!

If you want to reach top international level it kind of limits your opportunities to travel for your work - outwith your home nation that is!

Like if you want to play for Scotland it would be really difficult to go play your club rugby in Australia/new zealand/japan, the seasons are so out of sync you couldnt do both, which is a shame because theres a lot to be said for working abroad/experiencing different cultures etc

Maybe Hamilton has decided he likes the travel more than the scotland recognition!

I think a few players may feel that way at the moment!

[RDW]

Fraser Brown signs a 3 year deal, putting the Ulster rumours to bed.

[bsando]

Off topic but amusing. From the beeb today - "As Mr Corbyn was telling reporters about a scarf given to him by a charity group, Richard Cameron, the minister at the local Scotstoun Parish Church, shouted that he thought the Labour leader would be wearing an "Islamic jihad scarf"." Oh dear...

[tigertattie]

Can a scarf be jihad?

I mean what could it do? Fail to keep someone warm and they catch their death of cold?

[RDW]

Straying into dangerous territory here!

[BigGee]

That Richard Cameron sounds a very enlightened fellow.

Am no great fan of Corbyn, but that is just ignorance of the highest order and he claims to be a priest?

[NeilyBroon]

Can a scarf be jihad?

I mean what could it do? Fail to keep someone warm and they catch their death of cold?

The scarf is the jihad of doting mothers everywhere. If you're not scorchio you're not warm enough to go outside.

[Tramptastic]

religious disagreement in an area of glasgow renowned for a sporting team? unheard of!

[jimbopip]

Can a scarf be jihad?

I mean what could it do? Fail to keep someone warm and they catch their death of cold?

You do think too much for a prop.

Mind, I never said you were a prop, just that you thought too much for one. Maybe if you thought about it, you would have worked it out.

Actually gentlemen I am feeling a tad choleric. Or really cheesed off. I have been stitched up like a kipper.

So there we were a few weeks ago; myself, MrsPip, Baz the nippy ex-scrum half and Essex Blonde...his missus. We're having lunch in our favourite Italian: which MrsPip insists we do on a semi-regular basis to remind me that I am actually middle class and all this Frankie Miller/Rab C Nesbit nonsense is fooling no-one. Baz and I get chatting about the upcoming Warriors-Execeterr match. We do this because we have no grown up conversation to speak of. Herself and Essex Blonde were gibbering about children; apparently we have some between us.
Baz and I agreed that Tattie Scones invite to meet him and several ne'erdowells who forced drink upon me in Cardiff is too good to miss. We agreed that the kick off time means travelling on the Friday and staying till Sunday. We cast our eyes towards our loved ones and they smile and say, " No problems, enjoy yourselves. And ask the waiter for two more prosecco and elderflower cocktails, please." Baz and I share that smug smirk of the married men who have pulled a fast one.

Fast forward to this week. Essex Blonde sends me an email to confirm, aye CONFIRM, that we have a table booked at the same Italian next Friday lunchtime.
As I'm telling MrsPip she blithely replies, " Great we can pretty much go from there to "Special" sister's Christmas concert. I bought the tickets last week, did I not mention it to you?" It's a three line whip in our house that since the special one moved into sheltered accommodation we have to attend every concert/performance/fundraiser/ opening of a letter. On pain of death.

I have been stitched up like a kipper.

Perhaps I'll make the Sale away match.

p.s. I have to PM Tattie Scones to break the news....any helpful suggestions as to how I should word it?

[tigertattie]

Can a scarf be jihad?

I mean what could it do? Fail to keep someone warm and they catch their death of cold?

You do think too much for a prop.

Mind, I never said you were a prop, just that you thought too much for one. Maybe if you thought about it, you would have worked it out.

Actually gentlemen I am feeling a tad choleric. Or really cheesed off. I have been stitched up like a kipper.

So there we were a few weeks ago; myself, MrsPip, Baz the nippy ex-scrum half and Essex Blonde...his missus. We're having lunch in our favourite Italian: which MrsPip insists we do on a semi-regular basis to remind me that I am actually middle class and all this Frankie Miller/Rab C Nesbit nonsense is fooling no-one. Baz and I get chatting about the upcoming Warriors-Execeterr match. We do this because we have no grown up conversation to speak of. Herself and Essex Blonde were gibbering about children; apparently we have some between us.
Baz and I agreed that Tattie Scones invite to meet him and several ne'erdowells who forced drink upon me in Cardiff is too good to miss. We agreed that the kick off time means travelling on the Friday and staying till Sunday. We cast our eyes towards our loved ones and they smile and say, " No problems, enjoy yourselves. And ask the waiter for two more prosecco and elderflower cocktails, please." Baz and I share that smug smirk of the married men who have pulled a fast one.

Fast forward to this week. Essex Blonde sends me an email to confirm, aye CONFIRM, that we have a table booked at the same Italian next Friday lunchtime.
As I'm telling MrsPip she blithely replies, " Great we can pretty much go from there to "Special" sister's Christmas concert. I bought the tickets last week, did I not mention it to you?" It's a three line whip in our house that since the special one moved into sheltered accommodation we have to attend every concert/performance/fundraiser/ opening of a letter. On pain of death.

I have been stitched up like a kipper.

Perhaps I'll make the Sale away match.

p.s. I have to PM Tattie Scones to break the news....any helpful suggestions as to how I should word it?

Alas I played a good 40% of my rugby at prop. The only down side to social rugby, you play where needed rather than where you are best suited.

Now Jimbo, you say you are middle class! Are you lower middle class, middle middle class or upper middle class?

As well as being a kipper of course!

PS, wording for message to Tattie-two - "Dear Tattie-two - I am a kipper so cant make our scheduled festival of drinking and rugger. Bet you didnt know kippers could be under the thumb! Sincere apologies, Jimbokipper. PS, see you at my next candle light supper"

[Tattie Scones RRN]

Jimbo...you could do what Pod has done in the past, by starting an argument with your good lady then storm off for the weekend.

[RDW]

Or just grow a pair of balls and say you're going to the rugby!

(i'm saying this in the knowledge that Mrs RDW doesn't read this forum, or else my balls would be in danger too   )

[NeilyBroon]

Edinburgh side out. Looking pretty good! GG captaining and Baggott on the bench! Nice to see Haining back at 8 too.

[RDW]

https://www.606v2.com/t69231-agen-v-edinburgh#3867070

Another detailed match thread that took a long time to create

[jimbopip]

Well lads, my last hope resided with Baz agreeing that hitting the road at silly o'clock tomorrow morning and driving back with hangover heads on Sunday was a good idea. I sent him a message and he called me back this morning.  
"Where are you calling from, there's a lot of background noise?"
"I'm in the car. We're driving to Bridgend for a birthday party. Feccin horrible drive. We're practically in Exeter before we turn right into Wales. Not looking forward to the return leg on Sunday, I can tell you. Anyway, what did you want to talk about  Matey?"


You have to hand it to Essex Blonde, when she decides to stitch you up ...

[RDW]

Decent display from Finn this afternoon against Sarries, including an individual try.

Great to see CHH getting a start - he's had a lot of gametime this season, certainly much more than if he was still at Edinburgh. Although we wouldn't have needed one of Douglas or Thomson if he was there.

With Sarries focusing on the league he could get a decent amount of gametime in Europe. I bet Glasgow wish this salary cap judgement came last season!

[Hazel Sapling]

Not been a bad weekend for Scottish rugby.

Did not see the Glasgow and Edinburgh games. From listening to the first half of the Glasgow game, it sounded like Glasgow were all over them and were unfortunate not to get at least one additional try. Not sure what happened in the second half. The subs for Sale made a big difference I assume.

Trying to figure out how many Scots players were playing for the other European sides (probably missing a couple)
Harris and Gray in Glos vs Toulouse
Young, Lang and Laidlaw in Clermont vs Quins
Thomson and Steele in Scarlet vs LI
McGuigan for Sale
Russell, Taylor, Hunter-Hill and Maitland in Racing vs Sarries
Hogg for Exeter
Hutchinson for Northampton
Kerr for Leicester

? - Kerr - ?
Young - Gray
Hunter-Hill - Thomson - ?
Laidlaw - Russell (Steele)
Taylor - Hutchinson (Lang)
McGuigan - Hogg - Maitland (Harris)

It fits in with what we know about Scottish options. Our front row options are not great, all the back-row talent is at Edinburgh, and our backs are in pretty good shape.

[Hazel Sapling]

Assume this has been read by most

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50453217

To sum up, the SRU will get £35 million as CVC looks to "maximise commercial opportunities for the league". I am assuming that will mean a North American team before too long.

Thoughts on what to do with the money?

[RDW]

Assume this has been read by most

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50453217

To sum up, the SRU will get £35 million as CVC looks to "maximise commercial opportunities for the league". I am assuming that will mean a North American team before too long.

Thoughts on what to do with the money?

The first person to say 3rd pro team is getting a ban!

[NeilyBroon]

But I hear aberdeen are crying out for a return of the Caledonia reds

[Tramptastic]

But I hear aberdeen are crying out for a return of the Caledonia reds

Give the pro team to Stirling. According to the SRU that counts as the being representative of the north of Scotland

[RDW]

I hope the SRU take a very long term view with this money and not just splurge it all in one go and run into problems in 5, 10 years time when large capital investment might be required.

The obvious place to put the money first is into the academies - make the current top level even more professional and expand the net to take it more players from an early age. I'd also like to see schools rugby supported especially state schools - if we get £35m we should no longer have to rely on teachers or the janitor doing it in their own time after school. Bring in more development officers to run schools rugby.

Then it should be used to enhance the two pro teams. That doesn't mean trying to sign Sonny Bill Williams but hopefull keep our top talent that needs keeping. It's a difficult balance this as top talent moving on is what brings new players though (Russell to Hastings being a prime example) but if these teams are to achieve anything they need some consistency in top players for a few years in a row to give things a good shot. It will also release useful funds to help with the Scotstoun and mini-Murrayfield upgrade.

Finally, and this is a boring sensible suggestion, but Murrayfield is 25 years old now and as a structural engineer I know that the next 10 or so the structure will likely start showing its age and will be in need of repair to keep it going. That could lead to some large capital outgoings - I'd hate for the pro teams to suffer in say 10 years time because we have to spend £10m repairing Murrayfield and we hadn't planned for it.

[Tramptastic]

You'd hope that, as we've seen in recent times the SRU as led by Dodson are quite business savvy, there would be a strategy in place from when the talks with CVC became serious.

As you say, investment in academies and youth structure at state school level will pay dividends over the next 20 years, more so than splurging on a SBW.

How complicated is it to maintain the structure of a building like Murrayfield? and how long do these buildings usually last with proper care?

[RDW]

You'd hope that, as we've seen in recent times the SRU as led by Dodson are quite business savvy, there would be a strategy in place from when the talks with CVC became serious.

As you say, investment in academies and youth structure at state school level will pay dividends over the next 20 years, more so than splurging on a SBW.

How complicated is it to maintain the structure of a building like Murrayfield? and how long do these buildings usually last with proper care?

I suspect the biggest risk at Murrayfield are the metal trusses that hold up the roof. Similar to Forth Road Bridge these will corrode if not looked after properly. Hopefully they're being well maintained or else we might find in 10 years time we have to spend a shedload of money re-painting them all, which would cost a lot of money and likely lead to partial closures in the stadium (with resulting lost revenue etc). That kind of work may be inevitable anyway.

As you say though hopefully there is a plan for all this!

[BigGee]

There is a load of scaffolding up inside the stadium atm, they are probably doing some maintenance even as we speak!

[Guest]

Can a scarf be jihad?

I mean what could it do? Fail to keep someone warm and they catch their death of cold?

Jihad can, of course, be loosely translated as 'struggle'. I imagine the jihad here is merely against the relatively un-Islamic Scottish weather.

[tigertattie]

Assume this has been read by most

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50453217

To sum up, the SRU will get £35 million as CVC looks to "maximise commercial opportunities for the league". I am assuming that will mean a North American team before too long.

Thoughts on what to do with the money?

The first person to say 3rd pro team is getting a ban!

GC said it. Ban him! Ban him I say!!!

The money should be used on the Academies and bridging the gap between the amature and Pro games.

Its likely to be spent on SRU bonuses though.

PS, only part of Murrayfield is 25 years old. Most of it is already a good bit older! It's a bit like Sharon Ozboune!

[RDW]

Assume this has been read by most

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50453217

To sum up, the SRU will get £35 million as CVC looks to "maximise commercial opportunities for the league". I am assuming that will mean a North American team before too long.

Thoughts on what to do with the money?

The first person to say 3rd pro team is getting a ban!

GC said it. Ban him! Ban him I say!!!

The money should be used on the Academies and bridging the gap between the amature and Pro games.

Its likely to be spent on SRU bonuses though.

PS, only part of Murrayfield is 25 years old. Most of it is already a good bit older! It's a bit like Sharon Ozboune!

Those with a shiny badge get preferential treatment on here

[jimbopip]

Now, this money...

Silly suggestion no.155 769.

Both, BOTH, clubs need stadiums which generate income. I had absolutely no difficulty spending money (apart from the obvious fact that it always hurts me to do so) at Sarries', Leicester's or Execeterr's grounds. Lots of bars, short queues, food on offer and a great atmosphere. Not to mention enough toilets so that you don't spend all of half time queueing to use a portaloo.
I am serious here; Old Trafford, apparently, generates approx. £1 million profit every home game. Now I know that they draw about 74, 000 for each home game to Glasgow's 8 500 and the Luvvies couple of dozen die-hards, call it thirty if FES brings his retainers, but the United figure is only £15 profit or so per head. Execeterr's stadium is self-financing all year round because it was built with a view to using it as a conference/business centre.
I know the Luvvies will be having a new stadium, hopefully it will have revenue generation at the forefront of the architect's vision. Scotstoun is not fit for purpose: if that purpose is to develop and support a team who can win the Pro14 and compete at the top level in Europe.

Sell Murrayfield. Build a new national stadium. Build a new home for Glasgow.

Vote Kipper.

[RDW]

Now, this money...

Silly suggestion no.155 769.

Both, BOTH, clubs need stadiums which generate income. I had absolutely no difficulty spending money (apart from the obvious fact that it always hurts me to do so) at Sarries', Leicester's or Execeterr's grounds. Lots of bars, short queues, food on offer and a great atmosphere. Not to mention enough toilets so that you don't spend all of half time queueing to use a portaloo.
I am serious here; Old Trafford, apparently, generates approx. £1 million profit every home game. Now I know that they draw about 74, 000 for each home game to Glasgow's 8 500 and the Luvvies couple of dozen die-hards, call it thirty if FES brings his retainers, but the United figure is only £15 profit or so per head. Execeterr's stadium is self-financing all year round because it was built with a view to using it as a conference/business centre.
I know the Luvvies will be having a new stadium, hopefully it will have revenue generation at the forefront of the architect's vision. Scotstoun is not fit for purpose: if that purpose is to develop and support a team who can win the Pro14 and compete at the top level in Europe.

Sell Murrayfield. Build a new national stadium. Build a new home for Glasgow.

Vote Kipper.

Given that the 3d images appear to show the stadium is made of some left over scaffolding and some heras fencing I don't think that's going to be the case. I think they're relying on Murrayfield for those kind of facilities. The stadium very much just looks like a rugby pitch with some seats - all the changing and supporting infrastructure will be at Murrayfield.

You're right on Scotstoun though - a scout hall and Big Tam's burger van doesn't exactly give the right ambience for a supposed top professional outfit!

[tigertattie]

Now, this money...

Silly suggestion no.155 769.

Both, BOTH, clubs need stadiums which generate income. I had absolutely no difficulty spending money (apart from the obvious fact that it always hurts me to do so) at Sarries', Leicester's or Execeterr's grounds. Lots of bars, short queues, food on offer and a great atmosphere. Not to mention enough toilets so that you don't spend all of half time queueing to use a portaloo.
I am serious here; Old Trafford, apparently, generates approx. £1 million profit every home game. Now I know that they draw about 74, 000 for each home game to Glasgow's 8 500 and the Luvvies couple of dozen die-hards, call it thirty if FES brings his retainers, but the United figure is only £15 profit or so per head. Execeterr's stadium is self-financing all year round because it was built with a view to using it as a conference/business centre.
I know the Luvvies will be having a new stadium, hopefully it will have revenue generation at the forefront of the architect's vision. Scotstoun is not fit for purpose: if that purpose is to develop and support a team who can win the Pro14 and compete at the top level in Europe.

Sell Murrayfield. Build a new national stadium. Build a new home for Glasgow.

Vote Kipper.

Given that the 3d images appear to show the stadium is made of some left over scaffolding and some heras fencing I don't think that's going to be the case. I think they're relying on Murrayfield for those kind of facilities. The stadium very much just looks like a rugby pitch with some seats - all the changing and supporting infrastructure will be at Murrayfield.

You're right on Scotstoun though - a scout hall and Big Tam's burger van doesn't exactly give the right ambience for a supposed top professional outfit!

Mickey Mouse infrastructure for a Mickey Mouse team I say!

I hate to say it but I do agree with Jimbo here. Both teams need to have homes built for them that sustains the running of each stadium itself. Edinburgh can use all the facitilites they like at Murrayfield should they so choose, but on Match days they need to either have catering a beer facilites in the new stadium or you risk folk not buying anything or worse, they buy one pint but as they had to trek to HQ to go buy it an missed 20 mins of the 2nd half that they decide never to come back!

The priority must be Edinburgh though. Scotstoun is still doing a job and while a SRU owned home for the Weedge would be nice, it's on the nice to have and not the need to have list.

[Tattie Scones RRN]

Well lads, my last hope resided with Baz agreeing that hitting the road at silly o'clock tomorrow morning and driving back with hangover heads on Sunday was a good idea. I sent him a message and he called me back this morning.  
"Where are you calling from, there's a lot of background noise?"
"I'm in the car. We're driving to Bridgend for a birthday party. Feccin horrible drive. We're practically in Exeter before we turn right into Wales. Not looking forward to the return leg on Sunday, I can tell you. Anyway, what did you want to talk about  Matey?"


You have to hand it to Essex Blonde, when she decides to stitch you up ...

You could come on your own Jimbo. Asbo has confirmed he's attending the match so perhaps you could stay in his mansion again?

[RDW]

Well lads, my last hope resided with Baz agreeing that hitting the road at silly o'clock tomorrow morning and driving back with hangover heads on Sunday was a good idea. I sent him a message and he called me back this morning.  
"Where are you calling from, there's a lot of background noise?"
"I'm in the car. We're driving to Bridgend for a birthday party. Feccin horrible drive. We're practically in Exeter before we turn right into Wales. Not looking forward to the return leg on Sunday, I can tell you. Anyway, what did you want to talk about  Matey?"


You have to hand it to Essex Blonde, when she decides to stitch you up ...

You could come on your own Jimbo. Asbo has confirmed he's attending the match so perhaps you could stay in his mansion again?

Good old ASBO. I trust he's taken down the paintings of Alex Salmolnd in his house given the allegations against him? I'm sure the Sturgeon original will still be there though.

He was very much in the minority in the independence debate here (ultimately why he left sadly) but you can't fault him for his enthusiasm in defending his point of view!

[BigGee]

He might not have been in a minority when the next one comes around!

[RDW]

I like the use of 'next' one, which implies there will be many more to come until it's a Yes vote! Which is pretty accurate.

But I digress into politics, which never ends well on here.

[Tattie Scones RRN]

Yes sadly. If people could respect each others views a bit more (not just on here, but life in general) without resorting to abuse, name calling etc., I think we'd all be in a much better place right now.

[RDW]

Yes sadly. If people could respect each others views a bit more (not just on here, but life in general) without resorting to abuse, name calling etc., I think we'd all be in a much better place right now.

To everyone's credit the independence debate on here was probably one of the best I witnessed anywhere during that period. ASBO was very knowledgeable and articulate from his side and we had a lot of good debate with a variety of people. It obviously got heated at times but everyone was generality respectful.

I remember vividly that he lost it with me when I said I quite enjoyed the Royal Wedding and all the pomp and ceremony that came with it...

[BigGee]

Yes sadly. If people could respect each others views a bit more (not just on here, but life in general) without resorting to abuse, name calling etc., I think we'd all be in a much better place right now.

To everyone's credit the independence debate on here was probably one of the best I witnessed anywhere during that period. ASBO was very knowledgeable and articulate from his side and we had a lot of good debate with a variety of people. It obviously got heated at times but everyone was generality respectful.

I remember vividly that he lost it with me when I said I quite enjoyed the Royal Wedding and all the pomp and ceremony that came with it...

I would agree with that, compared to an England v Wales thread it was positively civilised

[Tattie Scones RRN]

I'll pass on everyone's regards anyway.

On another note, is anyone else from here heading down to Sandy Park next weekend?

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