Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[beninho]

First topic message reminder :

8 bronze badges
The problem states, "If I buy two tickets with different numbers" – msinghal Jul 22 '15 at 6:40
Correct. I just wanted to clarify this explicitly, since this apparently causes the confusion in the internet the OP was writing about... – Bernhard Jul 22 '15 at 7:38
So let me get this right. If I have a 1 in 14 million of chance of winning the lottery, if I buy a further ticket with a different sequence of numbers to the first one for the same draw my chance of winning is slashed to 1 in 7 million? – Rickie Jul 22 '15 at 8:16
Yes, that is correct. – Bernhard Jul 22 '15 at 8:23

[beninho]

Of course I understand people have different priorities, as I said. My question was just whether it was a set in stone priority, or whether someone would accept that, no matter the views, overall it may not be the best thing. Its just curiosity.

When, I say don't care, I think that's fair. Because no matter what happens with brexit, the fact its happened seems enough for both people. So, there is clearly an element of not caring what happens next. And I don't have an issue with that.

Personally, I doubt I'm overly affected by brexit, or a Tory government. I'm very much middle class, and pretty comfortable compared to millions. Though, unsure how or if it will impact my wife's job. My kids, maybe impacted as things have been taken away that they may have used in the future, but could be replaced.

[I'm never wrong]

The world has gone mad. The first Tweet is being sold. It's value is already $2 million.

[Soul Requiem]

Your wording is again terrible and implies your priorities are the measure for the success of Brexit. It's a very myopic way of going about things. I for instance am no hardline brexiteer but I do vehemently defend the democratic rights of the country to make it's own collective decisions.

[beninho]

People want the country to be free of the great EU oppressor, and make its own laws. Fine. But, I woukd also expect or hope, that people will also be honest enough to consider that not everything will be rosy for everyone.

[beninho]

Laurence Fox standing as London mayor. Haha. Though I'd vote him over Baily, who seems to have won a competition for the worst candidates the tory Party could find.

[Soul Requiem]

People want the country to be free of the great EU oppressor, and make its own laws. Fine.  But, I woukd also expect or hope, that people will also be honest enough to consider that not everything will be rosy for everyone.  

Are you able to be honest enough to consider that continued membership in the EU meant not everything being rosy for everyone? Or is it a one way street where we have to consider and prioritise your opinions?

[beninho]

Yep, I can. Continuing as it was meant a lot of people were upset. And I can see why some people wanted to leave. It's all pretty clear to me. Some extreme remainers may feel differently. My opinions, like yours and almost everyone on here, pretty much mean frick all in the grand scheme of things.

[beninho]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/07/the-politics-of-lockdown-gets-worse-by-the-minute

Some may like this article. I did. The ridiculous politicking if a virus is quite true.

[JuliusHMarx]

Your wording is again terrible and implies your priorities are the measure for the success of Brexit. It's a very myopic way of going about things. I for instance am no hardline brexiteer but I do vehemently defend the democratic rights of the country to make it's own collective decisions.

Would you like the UK to withdraw from the United Nations?

[Soul Requiem]

Your wording is again terrible and implies your priorities are the measure for the success of Brexit. It's a very myopic way of going about things. I for instance am no hardline brexiteer but I do vehemently defend the democratic rights of the country to make it's own collective decisions.

Would you like the UK to withdraw from the United Nations?

Failing to the relevance myself. I'm sure you'll come back with convoluted reasoning that makes no sense.

[JuliusHMarx]

Your wording is again terrible and implies your priorities are the measure for the success of Brexit. It's a very myopic way of going about things. I for instance am no hardline brexiteer but I do vehemently defend the democratic rights of the country to make it's own collective decisions.

Would you like the UK to withdraw from the United Nations?

Failing to the relevance myself. I'm sure you'll come back with convoluted reasoning that makes no sense.

Ooooh, miaow!
International law prevails over domestic law. Being a member of the UN means that their laws prevail over our own. As such being a member negates some of our democratic rights to make some of our own collective decisions. Would you like the UK to withdraw from the United Nations?

[McLaren]

I am bit confused here. Is Navy (and some others) saying there is no truth or real world consequences to decisions like Brexit? Let's not revert to some wishy washy idea that it's just some people have different ideas.

Brexit has objectively been a disaster. And it will continue to get worse. And for that reason I at least want the pillocks that voted for it to explain WTF they were thinking.

[Duty281]

I am bit confused here. Is Navy (and some others) saying there is no truth or real world consequences to decisions like Brexit? Let's not revert to some wishy washy idea that it's just some people have different ideas.

Brexit has objectively been a disaster. And it will continue to get worse. And for that reason I at least want the pillocks that voted for it to explain WTF they were thinking.

How so?

[Soul Requiem]

Your wording is again terrible and implies your priorities are the measure for the success of Brexit. It's a very myopic way of going about things. I for instance am no hardline brexiteer but I do vehemently defend the democratic rights of the country to make it's own collective decisions.

Would you like the UK to withdraw from the United Nations?

Failing to the relevance myself. I'm sure you'll come back with convoluted reasoning that makes no sense.

Ooooh, miaow!
International law prevails over domestic law. Being a member of the UN means that their laws prevail over our own. As such being a member negates some of our democratic rights to make some of our own collective decisions. Would you like the UK to withdraw from the United Nations?

As I said convoluted reasoning, international law on the whole applies to nations rather than individuals so not really comparable. Good try though.

[JuliusHMarx]

I love it when I ask a simple question and people decide that refusing to consider it and reply makes them feel intellectually superior.

[beninho]

I am bit confused here. Is Navy (and some others) saying there is no truth or real world consequences to decisions like Brexit? Let's not revert to some wishy washy idea that it's just some people have different ideas.

Brexit has objectively been a disaster. And it will continue to get worse. And for that reason I at least want the pillocks that voted for it to explain WTF they were thinking.

How so?

He obviously isn't taking into account that £100 contactless payments we can do soon. Savings us literally seconds on a transaction.

[beninho]

Your wording is again terrible and implies your priorities are the measure for the success of Brexit. It's a very myopic way of going about things. I for instance am no hardline brexiteer but I do vehemently defend the democratic rights of the country to make it's own collective decisions.

Would you like the UK to withdraw from the United Nations?

Failing to the relevance myself. I'm sure you'll come back with convoluted reasoning that makes no sense.

Ooooh, miaow!
International law prevails over domestic law. Being a member of the UN means that their laws prevail over our own. As such being a member negates some of our democratic rights to make some of our own collective decisions. Would you like the UK to withdraw from the United Nations?

As I said convoluted reasoning, international law on the whole applies to nations rather than individuals so not really comparable. Good try though.

So, your answer is you don't want the uk to leave the UN?

[Soul Requiem]

My answer was my answer, it has no relevance to the Brexit debate aside from whataboutery which I know you hate Ben.

[JuliusHMarx]

My answer was my answer, it has no relevance to the Brexit debate aside from whataboutery which I know you hate Ben.

If you do indeed "vehemently defend the democratic rights of the country to make it's own collective decisions" what are your views on the fact that belonging to the UN, and accepting its Charter, inherently affects the democratic rights of the UK to make it's own collective decisions, most specifically with regards to human rights? That's all I'm asking, regardless of whether it relates to the Brexit debate. I never mentioned Brexit, I simply responded to your statement which I have quoted.

Personally, I think being in the UN is a good thing, but I accept that for some, they would prefer the UK to be completely unilateral and independent of bodies such as the UN and NATO.

[beninho]

At what point will the govt u turn or change the 1% nhs increase, and how many ministers will be sent to defend it before it happens?

Though, I'm still not getting my head round the argument that public sector wages shoukd only seem to match other jobs for increase in times of difficulty. Don't remember the furore to increase all public sector pay when other industries went up.

[Soul Requiem]

A comment that quite clearly was referring to the democratic process of referendums, if a decision was made to unilaterally leave the UN I would accept that. You can twist the argument if you wish Jules and I'm sure you think you're oh so smart but misinterpreting a pretty simple statement suggests the opposite.

[JuliusHMarx]

I'm not trying to twist anything. You said "I for instance am no hardline brexiteer but I do vehemently defend the democratic rights of the country to make it's own collective decisions" and I thought, oh, in that case I wonder how he feels about the UN, so I asked the question. It was a simple question, no sinister motivation, or with some hidden agenda. If I'd known you'd make such a big deal over it, I wouldn't have asked.

[beninho]

Brexit aside, SR2, do you have any issues with the UK being in the UN?

[pedro]

IMO most brexiteers don’t give a sh!t about “lack of democracy” in the EU. It’s just a convenient excuse for not liking the whole thing.
The FEELING one gets for THINKING we can now decide for ourselves is what seems to matter.

[beninho]

After reading about ports not being ready for customs checks, with delays being put back on custom checks already.  Does even tge hardest brexiteer think the country is ready for brexit?

On top of that , Goves department were called out for basically lying.

[superflyweight]

Your wording is again terrible and implies your priorities are the measure for the success of Brexit. It's a very myopic way of going about things. I for instance am no hardline brexiteer but I do vehemently defend the democratic rights of the country to make it's own collective decisions.

Would you like the UK to withdraw from the United Nations?

Failing to the relevance myself. I'm sure you'll come back with convoluted reasoning that makes no sense.

Ooooh, miaow!
International law prevails over domestic law. Being a member of the UN means that their laws prevail over our own. As such being a member negates some of our democratic rights to make some of our own collective decisions. Would you like the UK to withdraw from the United Nations?

As I said convoluted reasoning, international law on the whole applies to nations rather than individuals so not really comparable. Good try though.

Must have come as quite a shock then to those individuals that were brought before the UN War Crimes Tribunals.

[JAS]

I'm not trying to twist anything. You said "I for instance am no hardline brexiteer but I do vehemently defend the democratic rights of the country to make it's own collective decisions" and I thought, oh, in that case I wonder how he feels about the UN, so I asked the question. It was a simple question, no sinister motivation, or with some hidden agenda. If I'd known you'd make such a big deal over it, I wouldn't have asked.

I would ;-) You've got him on a hook, don't let him off!!

[Soul Requiem]

Must have come as quite a shock then to those individuals that were brought before the UN War Crimes Tribunals.  

Hence the 'on the whole'. Generally international law applies to countries and even when we consider War crimes or crimes against humanity, it is systematic abuses carried out by an entity normally an army acting on the behest of their leaders. I see no correlation between that and the UK's relationship with the EU.

[superflyweight]

Must have come as quite a shock then to those individuals that were brought before the UN War Crimes Tribunals.  

Hence the 'on the whole'. Generally international law applies to countries and even when we consider War crimes or crimes against humanity, it is systematic abuses carried out by an entity normally an army acting on the behest of their leaders. I see no correlation between that and the UK's relationship with the EU.

That's only partly true. Some of the crimes for which individuals can be brought before the court would only apply to senior military or government figures (e.g. Milosevic or Mladic) because there needs to be an element of 'command responsibility' (which essentially provides the 'following orders' defence). However (and particuarly since the Celebici judgement in 2000 and its subsequent appeal judgements affirned the approach), individuals can be tried before these tribunals for a variety of offences regardless of their seniority and regardless of whether or not they were part of a wider systematic crime carried out by the state or military.

[McLaren]

Shameful

[Soul Requiem]

Must have come as quite a shock then to those individuals that were brought before the UN War Crimes Tribunals.  

Hence the 'on the whole'. Generally international law applies to countries and even when we consider War crimes or crimes against humanity, it is systematic abuses carried out by an entity normally an army acting on the behest of their leaders. I see no correlation between that and the UK's relationship with the EU.

That's only partly true.  Some of the crimes for which individuals can be brought before the court would only apply to senior military or government figures (e.g. Milosevic or Mladic) because there needs to be an element of 'command responsibility' (which essentially provides the 'following orders' defence).  However (and particuarly since the Celebici judgement in 2000 and its subsequent appeal judgements affirned the approach), individuals can be tried before these tribunals for a variety of offences regardless of their seniority and regardless of whether or not they were part of a wider systematic crime carried out by the state or military.  



   

I'll have to bow to your superior knowledge there, having just read briefly about Celebici the sentences seem particularly lax considering the severity of the crimes.

[dynamark]

Ben you worry too much nothing in life is easy despite many folk wanting it to be a cakewalk and when the EU have got the miseries. We will be Ok its just trade and relationships taking another route.We are in March and the lights are still on,Head down and get on with it.
NHS and every other person who has been required to really put in a shift we do really greatly appreciate your efforts but we now have a huge bill to pay and I do trust this govt to face up to it.
The good news is flu has gone missing spring almost here I think a lot of folk will be thinking about looking after themselves healthwise and weightwise.We might all start to be a bit more mindful and stop looking to someone else to pick up the our problems.

[superflyweight]

Must have come as quite a shock then to those individuals that were brought before the UN War Crimes Tribunals.  

Hence the 'on the whole'. Generally international law applies to countries and even when we consider War crimes or crimes against humanity, it is systematic abuses carried out by an entity normally an army acting on the behest of their leaders. I see no correlation between that and the UK's relationship with the EU.

That's only partly true.  Some of the crimes for which individuals can be brought before the court would only apply to senior military or government figures (e.g. Milosevic or Mladic) because there needs to be an element of 'command responsibility' (which essentially provides the 'following orders' defence).  However (and particuarly since the Celebici judgement in 2000 and its subsequent appeal judgements affirned the approach), individuals can be tried before these tribunals for a variety of offences regardless of their seniority and regardless of whether or not they were part of a wider systematic crime carried out by the state or military.  



   

I'll have to bow to your superior knowledge there, having just read briefly about Celebici the sentences seem particularly lax considering the severity of the crimes.

They were lax. The injustice has been addressed a little bit now as they've been tried for their crimes by the Bosnian courts and served increased sentences.

[JAS]

Shameful

As one who shook my head in disbelief & condemnation at seeing both Liverpool & Leeds fans doing it last year I cant very well condone Rangers fans doing it now. I can understand the joy though.

I prefer to focus on the Team's achievements though and how Gerrard and the board committed to each other 3 years ago, realising it wasn't going to be a one or two season job. Here are the rewards of a patient rebuild.

I went to have a wee fly punt on them for the Europa League yesterday, I remember back in the group stages they were about 66/1, they're now 16/1...bummer!!

[navyblueshorts]

Just so you know, I'm done. Asked Admin to find new Mod for this section, so good luck to whomever draws the short straw .

Will be around (a bit), but unlikely to be posting much, if at all. Take care all.

NBS.

[I'm never wrong]

Thanks for your efforts Navy. I appreciate being a mod is a difficult and time consuming job.
Hope you keep popping in and contribute to the chat.

[McLaren]

unlikely to be posting much, if at all. Take care all.

NBS.

Bit drastic don't you think? Things will be way better now that you don't have to worry about modding.

[JAS]

Just so you know, I'm done. Asked Admin to find new Mod for this section, so good luck to whomever draws the short straw .

Will be around (a bit), but unlikely to be posting much, if at all. Take care all.

NBS.

Sorry to hear Navy, hope all is well with your good self.

Christ this board has lost some stalwarts in the past few months....was it something we said???

[Shotrock]

Kwini, SuperR and now Navy ... tough run for the board.

Thanks for all your efforts Navy and I do hope you continue to opine on these shores.

[McLaren]

https://www.golfchannel.com/news/rbc-canadian-open-canceled-because-covid-19-travel-restrictions

Canadian Open cancelled.

[Duty281]

Just so you know, I'm done. Asked Admin to find new Mod for this section, so good luck to whomever draws the short straw .

Will be around (a bit), but unlikely to be posting much, if at all. Take care all.

NBS.

Hope you don't disappear too far, this whole place would be poorer with your absence.

[I'm never wrong]

Anyone else watching PSG v Barcelona? Incident packed game.

[McLaren]

Anyone else watching PSG v Barcelona? Incident packed game.

I get that they paid a lot of money for him but at what point do barca just accept Dembele is useless?

[pedro]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Liverpool wins this year.

[I'm never wrong]

Anyone else watching PSG v Barcelona? Incident packed game.

I get that they paid a lot of money for him but at what point do barca just accept Dembele is useless?

Curse of posting this. Second half wasn't a patch on the first. Dembele had a shocker.

[JAS]

Just to chip in from the other thread...the fact that GMBs Super Realist has now left too. I don’t always disagree with Morgan, I probably agree with him more than I don’t  but I do find myself (even sometimes when I agree with him) screaming at him to stfu and let the other person speak. I utterly detest when debates, no matter how important descend into “I believe I’m right and I’m going to shout louder than you and keep shouting and keep interrupting until I brow beat you into accepting my view” It’s playground stuff and sadly it’s becoming more common, it takes intellect out of a debate and it’s feeding the binary polarisation of politics and other stuff. Utterly contemptible.

[Soul Requiem]

Just to chip in from the other thread...the fact that GMBs Super Realist has now left too. I don’t always disagree with Morgan, I probably agree with him more than I don’t  but I do find myself (even sometimes when I agree with him) screaming at him to stfu and let the other person speak. I utterly detest when debates, no matter how important descend into “I believe I’m right and I’m going to shout louder than you and keep shouting and keep interrupting until I brow beat you into accepting my view” It’s playground stuff and sadly it’s becoming more common, it takes intellect out of a debate and it’s feeding the binary polarisation of politics and other stuff. Utterly contemptible.

I tend to disagree with him more than I agree but have to say he was spot on this week and in his defence he had to wade through a load of nonsense from others on GMB to get his point across. There aren't many things I find more detestable than feigning mental health issues in an attempt to garner sympathy, on top of that just jumping on the racism bandwagon because you don't like the fact another woman has a better reputation than you.

[JuliusHMarx]

Feigning mental health issues, or physical health issues, is detestable, but there is no evidence that Markle was feigning. Morgan, and presumably others, are simply making assumptions as they see fit.

[Shotrock]

Must admit, it makes for some interesting viewing. As a Yank and outsider ...

I wonder what Markle and Harry got paid for doing this interview? (Increased PR only?)

The royals that perform valuable "functions of state" certainly earn (to some degree) one's keep, but I do wonder about all the benefits awarded extended family members.

Anyway you look at it, the royals are a celebration of classism. There's PLENTY of inequity here in the US, but this always made me roll my eyes. However, if it works for the majority, have at it with all the pomp and circumstance and never-ending interest in normal family conflicts. Me, I'm more concerned with TPC this weekend.

[JAS]

I don't have a strong opinion either way on whether Markle is speaking the truth or lying through her teeth. I see the media Poopie storm over the whole episode as a sad symptom of modern life. The obsession with celebrity tittle tattle is an annoying distraction from what's really going on in the world and effectively the Royal Family are the nuclear version of tittle tattle.

Whether we pay for the Royal family or they effectively net contribute as a tourist attraction is nether here nor there, if they're having family issues (like most families do) why oh why cant it just stay private? I don't care whether the media are digging for a story or whether some Royals are pimping themselves for some extra income, it matters not. Their travails should be nobody else's business but their own.

Either way doesn't alter the fact that Morgan is a shouty w@?K

[Sponsored content]