Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[dynamark]

First topic message reminder :

Ben Leicester have been fortunate to find wealthy owners who saved us from a deal of trouble but they could not be accused of throwing stupid money around and disregarding the fans.The PL winning team was assembled from a bunch of frees ,has beens and cheap buys I think Ulloa was the top buy at about £9m.What they then did as some players moved on for big money was start throwing some of that money about to try to maintain position with varying degrees of success.The Chairman gives away free beer and cakes on his birthday and has given a lot to local organisations including a childrens hospital ,We have been very very lucky.
I think the German teams have a different voting structure where fans have a big say.

[JuliusHMarx]

Yes, and anyone with common decency is against racism, which is still more prevalent than any loony left nonsense, so maybe we should concentrate on the bigger problem and be more woke (dictionary definition).

[Soul Requiem]

Perhaps your lunatics like Owen Jones should stop promoting division perhaps instead of making it a left and right issue.

[JuliusHMarx]

He's a nutter, but not one of mine.

[Soul Requiem]

Precisely, well done.

[JuliusHMarx]

Gee, thanks.

[beninho]

It's weird that people just reinvent the word woke for what they want it to mean, then use it as a term to offend people. Like cancel culture, though the GB news nutters got in a pickle over that.

Anyway, another Semi. 2 in a row at major competition, which is wonderful stuff.

[McLaren]

Unfortunately for England they haven't shown anything so far that would make you think Italy or Spain would have any issues beating them. And that is assuming they get past Denmark. Rice and Philips is a terrible central midfield partnership compared to what Spain or Italy have, and Pickford is a complete liability. I imagine Both Spain and Italy would also have no issues stopping Shaw, and not because he isn't good but because it is the only attacking threat they would need to focus on. Sterling might cause a minor issue but for Italy in particular their defensive know how would just naturally take care of him.

[super_realist]

Yes, and anyone with common decency is against racism, which is still more prevalent than any loony left nonsense, so maybe we should concentrate on the bigger problem and be more woke (dictionary definition).  

Woke culture is making things worse in terms of racism with absolute unscientific nonsense like critical race theory. Telling kids they're racist even if they don't know it, companies doing unproven pseudo science like cultural training to "check their white privilege", doing reviews of statues, street names, museum exhibits such as putting a note or a plaque on items such as Jane Austin because she "wore cotton" etc. Its absolute lunacy, but big companies are listening to this idiotic minority, and we're paying for it.

There is a word for being anti racist, and it's called being anti racist. Woke is a different kettle of fish entirely and we should not be entertaining that sort of lunacy in the slightest.

Even Peter Tatchell, one of the most thoroughly decent people around was cancelled by a University because you guessed it, he proclaimed to be against cancel culture.

People are branded bigots and intolerant for daring to say that you can't just claim to be a woman when you aren't.

[super_realist]

Unfortunately for England they haven't shown anything so far that would make you think Italy or Spain would have any issues beating them. And that is assuming they get past Denmark. Rice and Philips is a terrible central midfield partnership compared to what Spain or Italy have, and Pickford is a complete liability. I imagine Both Spain and Italy would also have no issues stopping Shaw, and not because he isn't good but because it is the only attacking threat they would need to focus on. Sterling might cause a minor issue but for Italy in particular their defensive know how would just naturally take care of him.

The beneficiary of yet another fortunate draw Mac. Can't take it away from them though. No goals conceded and there is something a bit less annoying about most of the players on this team (although I am irked by Sterling, Pickford and Foden).

Home advantage has been massive, and I expect them to win the tournament now.

[super_realist]

It's weird that people just reinvent the word woke for what they want it to mean, then use it as a term to offend people.  Like cancel culture, though the GB news nutters got in a pickle over that.

Anyway, another Semi. 2 in a row at major competition, which is wonderful stuff.

I love how you just give a blanket smear over GB News as if it's some rabid channel of bigots or because its not the left wing bias of BBC or Channel 4 that this makes it "bad". It offers a different viewpoint, and something which more lefties should actually avail themselves of instead of only ever hearing one point of view and never hearing another opinion which differs to their own. That's how we got to this woke nonsense in the first place
I admit I haven't watched much of it given how new it is, but I have no problem with Neil Oliver for example who seems to speak complete sense, nor do I have an issue with such stations existing.

Having a different view doesn't make you swivel eyed unless you take the extreme left or right viewpoint.

[beninho]

https://twitter.com/RossDyerTV/status/1411451600766394368?s=19

This what you agree with?

Gb News seems to take the extreme views, it even had on a very right wing friend of Tommy Robinsom thr other day. And it has Dan Wooton who is an absolute weapon.

My point though, was the pickle about cancel culture it got it itself into. Railing against it, then its viewers declaring they would boycott the firms who didn't want to advertise.

[beninho]

People talk about the draw for England. It wasn't the easiest draw before the games started. But I'd say that Spain and Denmark have had easier draws so far

[super_realist]

https://twitter.com/RossDyerTV/status/1411451600766394368?s=19

This what you agree with?

Gb News seems to take the extreme views, it even had on a very right wing friend of Tommy Robinsom thr other day.  And it has Dan Wooton who is an absolute weapon.

My point though, was the pickle about cancel culture it got it itself into. Railing against it, then its viewers declaring they would boycott the firms who didn't want to advertise.

Considering that there's virtually no evidence that masks make the slightest difference then yes. Why wouldn't I agree with him?

[super_realist]

https://twitter.com/RossDyerTV/status/1411451600766394368?s=19

This what you agree with?

Gb News seems to take the extreme views, it even had on a very right wing friend of Tommy Robinsom thr other day.  And it has Dan Wooton who is an absolute weapon.

My point though, was the pickle about cancel culture it got it itself into. Railing against it, then its viewers declaring they would boycott the firms who didn't want to advertise.

Considering that there's virtually no evidence that masks make the slightest difference then yes. Why wouldn't I agree with him? Especially since infections aren't leading to appreciable increases in hospitalisation or deaths and officially we are not in an epidemic and are beyond herd immunity as well as test events showing they aren't necessary.

The problem with the likes of Mac and yourself is that you seem to be incapable of accepting the views of someone, without having to accept 100% of things someone says.
I can find plenty to like about many people and disagree vehemently with them on other aspects.
It's all very black and white with you two. You have to be in compete agreement, or you reject everything they say. It's odd behaviour.

It's a bit like the Jess Philips "I can never be a friend with a Tory" line. Sheer intolerance.
If you only make friends with people who share your views it doesn't lead to a very interesting life.

[beninho]

1- do you accept everyone's views on everything? Though, just because someone is an anti vax lunatic like the archeology guy fom coast who now thinks he's a medical expert it doesn't mean he can't have good points, probably about rocks around Cornwall though.

2- I'm pretty sure masks have been confirmed to help stop the spread of viruses from asymptomatic people, but take your medical findings to the government or who and show them why they are wrong.

3- jess Phillips never said that.

[beninho]

Regarding England, its so good to see players all so comfortable on the ball. And the attacking talent is so much we can't fit it in the team. Really impressed with Kalvim Phillips, he looks good at Leeds and has carried it on. Just wish fans woukd stop calling him a defensive midfielder!

[beninho]

Also just rewatched that video from the archeology presenter, there is no mention of masks in it at all?

[beninho]

On GB News, I think its fallen into the trap of believing the vocal minority. Thinking there is a bigger audience then expected. Just because 10k people March in London it doesn't mean that vast swathes are anti lockdown nutters. It's like Fox standing for London mayor. Believing what he thought he was hearing. Then losing to a youtuber

[Duty281]

Unfortunately for England they haven't shown anything so far that would make you think Italy or Spain would have any issues beating them. And that is assuming they get past Denmark. Rice and Philips is a terrible central midfield partnership compared to what Spain or Italy have, and Pickford is a complete liability. I imagine Both Spain and Italy would also have no issues stopping Shaw, and not because he isn't good but because it is the only attacking threat they would need to focus on. Sterling might cause a minor issue but for Italy in particular their defensive know how would just naturally take care of him.

Spain?! England would be comfortable favourites against Spain, especially at home. Not sure if you've seen Spain so far but they've only won one game out of five in 90 minutes (over Slovakia), drew with Sweden and Poland, only beat Croatia AET, and needed penalties to get past Switzerland. I haven't seen anything to suggest Spain could beat England. Of the final four, Spain are the weakest side left.

Phillips is having a very strong tournament. Pickford is not a complete liability, either. I would be very glad if England's opponents only focused on Shaw as an attacking threat.

[Duty281]

Unfortunately for England they haven't shown anything so far that would make you think Italy or Spain would have any issues beating them. And that is assuming they get past Denmark. Rice and Philips is a terrible central midfield partnership compared to what Spain or Italy have, and Pickford is a complete liability. I imagine Both Spain and Italy would also have no issues stopping Shaw, and not because he isn't good but because it is the only attacking threat they would need to focus on. Sterling might cause a minor issue but for Italy in particular their defensive know how would just naturally take care of him.

The beneficiary of yet another fortunate draw Mac. Can't take it away from them though. No goals conceded and there is something a bit less annoying about most of the players on this team (although I am irked by Sterling, Pickford and Foden).

Home advantage has been massive, and I expect them to win the tournament now.

Only a fortunate draw because the more heralded teams failed. England should have played Portugal in the last 16, but they got hammered by Germany. And it should have been Spain last night, but they couldn't beat Sweden or Poland so failed to top the group.

[beninho]

Unfortunately for England they haven't shown anything so far that would make you think Italy or Spain would have any issues beating them. And that is assuming they get past Denmark. Rice and Philips is a terrible central midfield partnership compared to what Spain or Italy have, and Pickford is a complete liability. I imagine Both Spain and Italy would also have no issues stopping Shaw, and not because he isn't good but because it is the only attacking threat they would need to focus on. Sterling might cause a minor issue but for Italy in particular their defensive know how would just naturally take care of him.

The beneficiary of yet another fortunate draw Mac. Can't take it away from them though. No goals conceded and there is something a bit less annoying about most of the players on this team (although I am irked by Sterling, Pickford and Foden).

Home advantage has been massive, and I expect them to win the tournament now.

Only a fortunate draw because the more heralded teams failed. England should have played Portugal in the last 16, but they got hammered by Germany. And it should have been Spain last night, but they couldn't beat Sweden or Poland so failed to top the group.

Yes! There was even talk of coming second being a better route because we play tge runner up in the group of death! England, like Italy are the only team to not fail at all, and would be the appropriate final. Though I'm never confident with England, so not sure we will beat Denmark.

[westisbest]

Denmark England is a tough one to call. Denmark certainly no pushovers.

I think Italy will win the euros.
Although they need to keep the play acting out of it.
The guy was ‘injured’, Italy go and score. Oh look he’s up and running to his team mates to celebrate.

Things like that should be a straight red.

Think the tournament on a whole has been fantastic.

Hopefully the semi finals and final match that.

[super_realist]

1-  do you accept everyone's views on everything?  Though, just because someone is an anti vax lunatic like the archeology guy fom coast who now thinks he's a medical expert it doesn't mean he can't have good points, probably about rocks around Cornwall though.

2- I'm pretty sure masks have been confirmed to help stop the spread of viruses from asymptomatic people, but take your medical findings to the government or who and show them why they are wrong.

3- jess Phillips never said that.

You have clearly never heard Oliver speak because he is not remotely anti vaccine.

There's is tons of conflicting information about masks. The point is that if the science was settled on maks then there would not be such a divide about how much use they are or aren't.

How do you know what Jess Philips said? Heard everything she has ever said have you? Why not see the piece where her and Mogg went round one another's constituencies together and you'll hear her say that she'd never want to be friends with a Tory.

[beninho]

He seems pretty anti vaccine in his little rant, about vaccines.

Masks, generally I don't care. I wear one. It causes ne no harm. If it helps it'd good, if it doesn't, I'm not fussed.

Jess Phillips, had a whole article about bring friends with all sorts, and how her gran was a thatcherite. So again not sure what your about.

[Soul Requiem]

I think Super might mean Laura Pidcock who was an abysmal mp. Jess Phillips is pretty level headed really.

[beninho]

Brought the boy the panini sticker album. Now fighting the urge to just work through the 50 packs o ordered off amazon whike he is in the bath.

Also shared an angel delight with my little girl.

I'm reliving my youth

[beninho]

Saw Helen Whately on tv. Now there is an awful Mp. How she seems to have a good job is completely beyond me. Surely she isn't one of the best they gave in Parliament?

[McLaren]

Super

Will you continue to wear a mask in settings like supermarkets or offices after the restrictions end?

[Soul Requiem]

I'll personally wear one until the beginning of August by which time it will be three weeks since my second jab. Wearing one plays havoc with my asthma but the slight inconvenience of that is outweighed by the potential benefit of not getting ill.

[JAS]

I'll personally wear one until the beginning of August by which time it will be three weeks since my second jab. Wearing one plays havoc with my asthma but the slight inconvenience of that is outweighed by the potential benefit of not getting ill.

I’ll continue to wear one indoors in reasonable busy and not highly ventilated locations because its the responsible thing to do.  I don’t like them btw, not so much with my asthma, I don’t seem to be adversely affected that way, it’s more that fact that my specs constantly steam up…irritating. Also mildly irritating re unable to unlock phone with facial recognition when wearing.

The thing is with mask wearing… and this is what selfish people struggle with…it’s NOT for the mask wearers benefit, it’s for the benefit of others around you. Think of it like pants and piss. You wear pants your not going to pee on someone, not wearing pants you spray your pee all over the place.

To promote the abandonment of masks leaving it down to “personal choice” is pretty much irresponsible and probably a deliberate ploy to politicise the issue, there are already undertones of that in briefings (we believe in personal freedoms over state control) Well yeah maybe you do but that’s no excuse for sowing division and irresponsibility. Sometimes SOME degree of state direction is necessary e.g. we drive n the left hand side of the road because the state mandates that we do…so we comply. You can imagine the carnage if half the motorist population exercised their personal freedom to drive on whatever side of the road they chose to.

[beninho]

https://twitter.com/jdportes/status/1412622035797352453?s=19

Anyone defending this ?

[Soul Requiem]

https://twitter.com/jdportes/status/1412622035797352453?s=19

Anyone defending this ?

It is terrible to still use he instead of they.

[JAS]

https://twitter.com/jdportes/status/1412622035797352453?s=19

Anyone defending this ?

It is terrible to still use he instead of they.

Slowly but surely, backwards we go, the high tide of compassion in the human race has passed and large numbers are actually celebrating the ebbing tide while others shrug their shoulders without a clue that they’re caught in a rip current. Never mind eh, at the end of the day it’ll surely mean less bloody foreigners taking the jobs that the lazy and feckless Brits can’t be arsed to take and obviously less benefits being paid out of the under pressure public purse. Oh how we’ll enjoy that thought as we pay more for hotel stays, meals out etc while inflation rises and erodes our standard of living and any savings we may have. Bloody good job we’re Great Britain and not some insular island nation where shouty selfish people hold the sway of public opinion.

[Soul Requiem]

https://twitter.com/jdportes/status/1412622035797352453?s=19

Anyone defending this ?

It is terrible to still use he instead of they.

Slowly but surely, backwards we go, the high tide of compassion in the human race has passed and large numbers are actually celebrating the ebbing tide while others shrug their shoulders without a clue that they’re caught in a rip current. Never mind eh, at the end of the day it’ll surely mean less bloody foreigners taking the jobs that the lazy and feckless Brits can’t be arsed to take and obviously less benefits being paid out of the under pressure public purse.  Oh how we’ll enjoy that thought as we pay more for hotel stays, meals out etc while inflation rises and erodes our standard of living and any savings we may have. Bloody good job we’re Great Britain and not some insular island nation where shouty selfish people hold the sway of public opinion.

Not sure what this has to do with anything but it is worth noting that asylum seekers are unable to undertake paid work in this country so your post has no relevance whatsoever.

[JAS]

https://twitter.com/jdportes/status/1412622035797352453?s=19

Anyone defending this ?

It is terrible to still use he instead of they.

Slowly but surely, backwards we go, the high tide of compassion in the human race has passed and large numbers are actually celebrating the ebbing tide while others shrug their shoulders without a clue that they’re caught in a rip current. Never mind eh, at the end of the day it’ll surely mean less bloody foreigners taking the jobs that the lazy and feckless Brits can’t be arsed to take and obviously less benefits being paid out of the under pressure public purse.  Oh how we’ll enjoy that thought as we pay more for hotel stays, meals out etc while inflation rises and erodes our standard of living and any savings we may have. Bloody good job we’re Great Britain and not some insular island nation where shouty selfish people hold the sway of public opinion.

Not sure what this has to do with anything but it is worth noting that asylum seekers are unable to undertake paid work in this country so your post has no relevance whatsoever.

Of course it has relevance, the sentiment that has been whipped up drives and supports that thinking. I believe that both the sentiment and the thinking should not be representative of us as a nation. The openly sarcastic post was me trying to highlight that.

Asylum seekers can’t do paid work no, but what about afterwards (after they have successfully achieved asylum?) Your average knuckle dragger would probably be incapable of drawing a distinction between asylum seekers, illegal immigrants and immigrants anyway, they’re not interested in the detail, just the headline.

Anyway, my sarky post did deflect somewhat from the original point I.e. are we comfortable as a nation potentially criminalising the act of saving another human being from drowning?

[Soul Requiem]

Of course it has relevance, the sentiment that has been whipped up drives and supports that thinking. I believe that both the sentiment and the thinking should not be representative of us as a nation. The openly sarcastic post was me trying to highlight that.

Asylum seekers can’t do paid work no, but what about afterwards (after they have successfully achieved asylum?) Your average knuckle dragger would probably be incapable of drawing a distinction between asylum seekers, illegal immigrants and immigrants anyway, they’re not interested in the detail, just the headline.

Anyway, my sarky post did deflect somewhat from the original point I.e. are we comfortable as a nation potentially criminalising  the act of saving another human being from drowning?

It has no relevance when responding to my post, I am not talking on behalf of a wider part of society.

[JAS]

Of course it has relevance, the sentiment that has been whipped up drives and supports that thinking. I believe that both the sentiment and the thinking should not be representative of us as a nation. The openly sarcastic post was me trying to highlight that.

Asylum seekers can’t do paid work no, but what about afterwards (after they have successfully achieved asylum?) Your average knuckle dragger would probably be incapable of drawing a distinction between asylum seekers, illegal immigrants and immigrants anyway, they’re not interested in the detail, just the headline.

Anyway, my sarky post did deflect somewhat from the original point I.e. are we comfortable as a nation potentially criminalising  the act of saving another human being from drowning?

It has no relevance when responding to my post, I am not talking on behalf of a wider part of society.

Fair point I thought I was responding to Ben’s original post not yours, regarding yours yes I agree with your pointing out of “he not they” That in itself makes me think…is it really drafted with that wording??

[McLaren]

Soul

Are you ok with people facing jail time if they help someone seek asylum in the UK?

[beninho]

He not they is an old thing never changed I think.

I've seem some rnli bashing, would they be charged with an offence by saving peoples lives?

Did Patel watch Schindlers list and think he was the bad guy for helping get people out of the country to a safe country.

[Soul Requiem]

He not they is an old thing never changed I think.

I've seem some rnli bashing, would they be charged with an offence by saving peoples lives?

Did Patel watch Schindlers list and think he was the bad guy for helping get people out of the country to a safe country.

You're equating leaving Nazi occupied Poland to leaving present day France?

[beninho]

He not they is an old thing never changed I think.

I've seem some rnli bashing, would they be charged with an offence by saving peoples lives?

Did Patel watch Schindlers list and think he was the bad guy for helping get people out of the country to a safe country.

You're equating leaving Nazi occupied Poland to leaving present day France?

I may be wrong here, but is there a distinction in the regulations about where people can and cannot help people claim asylum from. Or is it just treating everyone the same?

I cant believe the brexiteers voted to leave the agreement we had about returning people to a previous eu country. Bit foolish that one, especially if asylum seekers were such a big concern.

[Soul Requiem]

I may be wrong here, but is there a distinction in the regulations about where people can and cannot help people claim asylum from. Or is it just treating everyone the same?

I cant believe the brexiteers voted to leave the agreement we had about returning people to a previous eu country. Bit foolish that one, especially if asylum seekers were such a big concern.

I'm just amazed that anyone would wish to leave the oh so wonderful EU to claim asylum in the UK instead. It must be devastating to have ended up in war torn France.

[beninho]

I'm not, people have many reasons to claim asylum in the uk. Its not for the benefits though.

[dynamark]

I dont think Im wrong in that every sort of european country has its large input of yer foreign sometimes asylum'(whatever that word really means)type folk.Essentially it means we are really desperate to go live somewhere else for any number of reasons.Every nation has the issue to deal with in their own way but no doubt GB is a quite pleasant place to live if possible.Apart from the rain of course

[beninho]

Anyway. I'm already nervous for tonight!

[McLaren]

Ben

Italy are more beatable opponents for England should they get to the final. England and English teams really struggle against the Spanish keep ball type of football. Spain would have been able to pass England out of the game.

As for the Semi against Denmark, it should not be forgotten that Denmark beat England at Wembley last year. I know Maguire got sent off early, but England really struggled against them. Having said that, England are the more likely team to win tonight. The only issue being a Rice/Philips Midfield. I never thought I would have to say this about Henderson, but he would be a significant upgrade if he is able to start. In an ideal world they would also have a better option than Mount (does anyone understand the hype about him?). How funny would it have been to see Philips, Rice and Mount play against Busquets, Pedri and Koke? They would have been thrown around like a dog chew.

[Duty281]

Italy are more beatable opponents for England should they get to the final. England and English teams really struggle against the Spanish keep ball type of football. Spain would have been able to pass England out of the game.  

But Spain aren't clinical enough to capitalise on that - hence why England beat Spain 3-2 the last time the two teams played, despite only having 27% possession. Same thing for Italy last night, happy to let Spain have the ball and hit them on the counter.

England would have destroyed Spain on the counter, Italy will be a far tougher prospect.

[beninho]

I think Phillips has been brilliant. He has so much ability. Him and Rice have been pivotal, Henderson no where near starting.

We shoukd win, but I can't ever expect England to win!

If we do, Italy will be favourites.

[Be_the_ball]

Best of luck tonight lads (& ladyputt) !!!

[beninho]

Soft pen but a deserved win. Though seen a lot of that type of pen given over the years.

But, to see an England team all so comfortable in possession is wonderful. Italia must be favourites, but we have a chance.

All of them were superb.

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