Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Should we be there?

Well if you dont mind whats happening now and support sharia law then I guess not.

[super_realist]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58661931

Would have thought this would have got more attention in the media/social media. What a horrific incident.

What are you on about Mac, its all over the news.
Im presuming you're angling for a race angle?

It actually happened near a relative of mine in Greenwich.

It would seem like you are trying to make a comparison with Sarah Everhard, which received more media treatment, not because she was white, but because  the perpetrator of her murder was a serving police officer.

You really need to stop looking for offence, and its AN horrific event, not a horrific.

[JAS]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020#the-relationship-between-victims-and-suspects

A link that highlight the disproportionate rate of women killed by their partners.

I've never once understood why men abuse their partners let alone kill them. As a male i've never once felt worried about being the victim and had a partner many years ago who was beaten by an ex, every time we argued you could see her recoil expecting something to happen, took a long time for her to acclimatise shall we say to a non abusive relationship.

It's a horrible horrible subject Soul, my eldest lived with an abusive partner for over 2 years and I had no idea. When she decided enough was enough and it all came out (she plastered pics of her battered face over Facebook) I was, very fortunately at the time, in Portugal on holiday, ironically with 3 other karate Sensei's (15 dans between us), the 3 of them literally had to pin me down to stop me heading to the airport to get the next flight home to rearrange his bones. It literally took me days to calm down, in fact I can feel myself getting angry recalling it.

[incontinentia]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58661931

It would seem like you are trying to make a comparision with Sarah Everhard, which received more media treatment, not because she was white, but because  the perpetrator of her murder was a serving police officer.

Don't know about that super, these incidents seem to get more coverage depending on how young/attractive the victim is, which is a bit disturbing.

And its comparison, not comparision. Everard, not Everhard [/quote]

[super_realist]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58661931

It would seem like you are trying to make a comparision with Sarah Everhard, which received more media treatment, not because she was white, but because  the perpetrator of her murder was a serving police officer.

Don't know about that super, these incidents seem to get more coverage depending on how young/attractive the victim is, which is a bit disturbing.

And its comparison, not comparision. Everard, not Everhard

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Not sure about that Inco. That horrible fat kid who was all over the news for being hidden under her sofa by her ghastly mum got loads of coverage

[beninho]

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/vacancy/916710869

61- 70k. For this job.

Even Guido couldn't find 235k https://order-order.com/2021/03/15/nhs-hiring-8-diversity-managers-on-50000-salaries/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1493931/Prerana-Issar-nhs-diversity-head-salary/amp

Didnt look very hard did you? Why are the NHS paying this sort of money for such a role?

That's 1 job? And, is covering a staff force of over 1m people. I've not seen the job description though.

[beninho]

I've looked at this Prerana Issar, seems her role is Chief People Officer, which sounds a I play with my 2inch cock title, but seems to be about putting in place support for NHS workers, focusing on mental health.

I guess diversity may be somewhere, but it's not in the job title. Seems to have a wealth of high level experience aswell.

[super_realist]

And that deserves more than the CEO of the NHS?
Even 70k is far too much for a tinpot job like a diversity officer

[beninho]

I have no idea what a deserved salary is, I dont know much about the job or its responsibilities. I think its hard to to shout overpaid, without the knowledge.

What is your salary?

[super_realist]

Amanda Pritchard, the Chief Executive of NHS England gets 200k. I'd consider that a far more important job, wouldnt you?

[super_realist]

I have no idea what a deserved salary is, I dont know much about the job or its responsibilities.  I think its hard to to shout overpaid, without the knowledge.

What is your salary?

Im overpaid, but then again. Its not the public paying for my role through taxation.

[beninho]

Amanda Pritchard, the Chief Executive of NHS England gets 200k. I'd consider that a far more important job, wouldnt you?

I dont know.

But, I do t think I believe in the importance of a job being the driving force for a salary. I'm unsure if the ceo of experian is deserving of 10m a year.

I actually think that the ceo of the NHS, and its senior employees, like many other public sector jobs, are underpaid, in comparison. The NHS with a work force of over a million, what is the comparison I'm the private sector?

[beninho]

I'm probably underpaid for everything that my job entails, and the number of people I manage. But, im used to it. And it is what it is.

I'd sat my job is a lot more important then many jobs, who get paid more then me. My wife gets paid more, and the root of her job is just making money for the owners of the business.

But importance of a job, shouldn't be matched to salary.

[JAS]

Amanda Pritchard, the Chief Executive of NHS England gets 200k. I'd consider that a far more important job, wouldnt you?

I'd make the point again, if she feels she needs to appoint a diversity officer that that level, what does that say about her. It's a tinpot role that should NOT be required in organisations that are run properly. That being said you cant change an organisations culture overnight

[super_realist]

I'm probably underpaid for everything that my job entails, and the number of people I manage. But, im used to it. And it is what it is.

Why dont you transfer your skills to an industry or business that will reward you for your skills and experience?

[super_realist]

Amanda Pritchard, the Chief Executive of NHS England gets 200k. I'd consider that a far more important job, wouldnt you?

I'd make the point again, if she feels she needs to appoint a diversity officer that that level, what does that say about her. It's a tinpot role that should NOT be required in organisations that are run properly. That being said you cant change an organisations culture overnight

Sounds like a virtue signalling position to appear to the woke taliban that the organisation is right on and the salary is there to make it appear they are taking it seriously.

[beninho]

I'm probably underpaid for everything that my job entails, and the number of people I manage. But, im used to it. And it is what it is.

Why dont you transfer your skills to an industry or business if will reward you for your skills and experience?

Because I enjoy what I do. I quite like making positive impacts on people's lives.

[beninho]

Amanda Pritchard, the Chief Executive of NHS England gets 200k. I'd consider that a far more important job, wouldnt you?

I'd make the point again, if she feels she needs to appoint a diversity officer that that level, what does that say about her. It's a tinpot role that should NOT be required in organisations that are run properly. That being said you cant change an organisations culture overnight

The person isn't a diversity officer, as far as I'm aware anyway.

[super_realist]

I'm probably underpaid for everything that my job entails, and the number of people I manage. But, im used to it. And it is what it is.

Why dont you transfer your skills to an industry or business if will reward you for your skills and experience?

Because I enjoy what I do. I quite like making positive impacts on people's lives.

Sounds like your work are treating you as a mug

[beninho]

I'm probably underpaid for everything that my job entails, and the number of people I manage. But, im used to it. And it is what it is.

Why dont you transfer your skills to an industry or business if will reward you for your skills and experience?

Because I enjoy what I do. I quite like making positive impacts on people's lives.

Sounds like your work are treating you as a mug

If you work in the public sector, you accept that the salary isn't going to be massive. Otherwise you get people on Internet forums complaing about salaries in the public sector.

[super_realist]

I'm probably underpaid for everything that my job entails, and the number of people I manage. But, im used to it. And it is what it is.

Why dont you transfer your skills to an industry or business if will reward you for your skills and experience?

Because I enjoy what I do. I quite like making positive impacts on people's lives.

Sounds like your work are treating you as a mug

If you work in the public sector, you accept that the salary isn't going to be massive. Otherwise you get people on Internet forums complaing about salaries in the public sector.

Unless you work in the NHS, Local Government, BBC, Channel 4 etc eh? I wont even mention the cosy pensions

[dynamark]

I think Ben and I were recently/are both in social housing .I was private sector building for 35 years and earned great money but I worked my nuts off,weekends ,nights, Xmas day responsible for many staff and turning a profit essentially,no pension and minimum holidays.
Then finished off 7 years social housing probably 70% of the money but nice pension ,loads of holidays no pressure barely broke sweat ,immense frustration at the entire set up(Ben there were some very commited staff to be fair) .I think the thing balances out overall but if you dont want the aggro public sector every time.

[beninho]

In homelessness, there is a hell of a lot of aggro!

But, its a job I enjoy, and am pretty passionate about. And a lot can be said about enjoying your job.

[super_realist]

In homelessness, there is a hell of a lot of aggro!

But, its a job I enjoy, and am pretty passionate about. And a lot can be said about enjoying your job.

.........and if there's anything you dont like....... Blame Brexit

[incontinentia]

Amanda Pritchard, the Chief Executive of NHS England gets 200k. I'd consider that a far more important job, wouldnt you?

I'd make the point again, if she feels she needs to appoint a diversity officer that that level, what does that say about her. It's a tinpot role that should NOT be required in organisations that are run properly. That being said you cant change an organisations culture overnight

Not sure about that. Jobs should/have traditionally been allocated on merit, not with a diversity focus. Sure its nice to have diversity in the workplace, but it shouldnt be the priority. Once there is equality of opportunity that's enough.

[beninho]

In homelessness, there is a hell of a lot of aggro!

But, its a job I enjoy, and am pretty passionate about. And a lot can be said about enjoying your job.

.........and if there's anything you dont like....... Blame Brexit

Brexit has made some of my job easier, regarding EU nationals.

[super_realist]

Amanda Pritchard, the Chief Executive of NHS England gets 200k. I'd consider that a far more important job, wouldnt you?

I'd make the point again, if she feels she needs to appoint a diversity officer that that level, what does that say about her. It's a tinpot role that should NOT be required in organisations that are run properly. That being said you cant change an organisations culture overnight

Not sure about that. Jobs should/have traditionally been allocated on merit, not with a diversity focus. Sure its nice to have diversity in the workplace, but it shouldnt be the priority. Once there is equality of opportunity that's enough.

Id much rather have the best doctor doing my operation rather than shoe horn someone in just because they're a black, female, disabled, trans-lesbian.

[beninho]

Realist listing his youp0rn search history

[Soul Requiem]

Amanda Pritchard, the Chief Executive of NHS England gets 200k. I'd consider that a far more important job, wouldnt you?

I'd make the point again, if she feels she needs to appoint a diversity officer that that level, what does that say about her. It's a tinpot role that should NOT be required in organisations that are run properly. That being said you cant change an organisations culture overnight

Not sure about that. Jobs should/have traditionally been allocated on merit, not with a diversity focus. Sure its nice to have diversity in the workplace, but it shouldnt be the priority. Once there is equality of opportunity that's enough.

Id much rather have the best doctor doing my operation rather than shoe horn someone in just because they're a black, female, disabled, trans-lesbian.

I'm sure i've mentioned this before. In the space of one week I had appointments with a Romanian oncologist, an Iranian respiratory specialist, a Scottish Cardiothoracic consultant and was then operated on by a Jamaican surgeon across three different trusts. In short at the very highest levels of medical specialism in this country, people are not shoe horned into positions especially when their decisions are the difference between life and death. A head of equality, diversity and inclusion is unlikely to be dealing with that level but rather nursing and junior doctors. In my opinion anyway.

[beninho]

My understanding regarding recruitment, is in certain instances, and im sure its disabilities, you should consider offering interviews, but not specifically offering a job. Similar to the Rooney rule in NFL, the aim is to get black coaches an interview, where they may not have got one before.

[beninho]

Moon Safari by Air, is perfect working at home music by the way. Its just wonderful.

[westisbest]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020#the-relationship-between-victims-and-suspects

A link that highlight the disproportionate rate of women killed by their partners.

I've never once understood why men abuse their partners let alone kill them. As a male i've never once felt worried about being the victim and had a partner many years ago who was beaten by an ex, every time we argued you could see her recoil expecting something to happen, took a long time for her to acclimatise shall we say to a non abusive relationship.

It's a horrible horrible subject Soul, my eldest lived with an abusive partner for over 2 years and I had no idea.  When she decided enough was enough and it all came out (she plastered pics of her battered face over Facebook) I was, very fortunately at the time, in Portugal on holiday, ironically with 3 other karate Sensei's (15 dans between us), the 3 of them literally had to pin me down to stop me heading to the airport to get the next flight home to rearrange his bones. It literally took me days to calm down, in fact I can feel myself getting angry recalling it.  

Sorry to hear that JAS. Terrible thing to happen to anyone.

Re karate. Used to do a bit in my younger days. Really loved it. Would like to get back into in. Had ACL surgery, holding be back a bit.

[JAS]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020#the-relationship-between-victims-and-suspects

A link that highlight the disproportionate rate of women killed by their partners.

I've never once understood why men abuse their partners let alone kill them. As a male i've never once felt worried about being the victim and had a partner many years ago who was beaten by an ex, every time we argued you could see her recoil expecting something to happen, took a long time for her to acclimatise shall we say to a non abusive relationship.

It's a horrible horrible subject Soul, my eldest lived with an abusive partner for over 2 years and I had no idea.  When she decided enough was enough and it all came out (she plastered pics of her battered face over Facebook) I was, very fortunately at the time, in Portugal on holiday, ironically with 3 other karate Sensei's (15 dans between us), the 3 of them literally had to pin me down to stop me heading to the airport to get the next flight home to rearrange his bones. It literally took me days to calm down, in fact I can feel myself getting angry recalling it.  

Sorry to hear that JAS. Terrible thing to happen to anyone.

Re karate. Used to do a bit in my younger days. Really loved it. Would like to get back into in. Had ACL surgery, holding be back a bit.

Yeah I loved it too, I have been tempted at points to go back (to train not teach again) but then I remember the cracked ribs, broken fingers etc. It was fantastic for fitness, flexibility & self confidence. I loved the teaching side of it too, to see some potential students cowering through the dojo doorway almost afraid to ask if they could give it a go and then see them seize their Black belts with confidence 3 years or so later was enormously satisfying, knowing that you'd had a positive impact. What style did you do? I was in Shotokan

[McLaren]

I was, very fortunately at the time, in Portugal on holiday, ironically with 3 other karate Sensei's (15 dans between us), the 3 of them literally had to pin me down to stop me heading to the airport to get the next flight home to rearrange his bones. It literally took me days to calm down, in fact I can feel myself getting angry recalling it.

Jas. Very sorry to hear about the abuse your daughter was subjected to but I think ironically your reaction is actually part of the problem. It displays the toxic masculinity response that is at the heart of far too many mens thinking. Whether it be aimed at men or women, there are far too many men that see violence as a solution to a problem.

[McLaren]

Horrible crime no doubt mac. Sadiq Khan and others seem to want to place the blame for these murders of women at the door of all men, which is flawed thinking imo. The men who do these things are a tiny, mainly mentally ill minority and not representative of all men.

The thing is inco, it isn't a tiny minority and it isn't anything to do with mental illness. The rates of men abusing women are through the roof and you almost certainly have several male friends who are perpetrators.

[super_realist]

Horrible crime no doubt mac. Sadiq Khan and others seem to want to place the blame for these murders of women at the door of all men, which is flawed thinking imo. The men who do these things are a tiny, mainly mentally ill minority and not representative of all men.

The thing is inco, it isn't a tiny minority and it isn't anything to do with mental illness. The rates of men abusing women are through the roof and you almost certainly have several male friends who are perpetrators.

Its not "through the roof" at all Mac.
You are far far far more likely to be a victim of crime and a victim of assault as a man.

What evidence do you have that "several friends" are absuing women other than those from Pakistani Muslim backgrounds that were exposed in Oldham for example?

[Soul Requiem]

Horrible crime no doubt mac. Sadiq Khan and others seem to want to place the blame for these murders of women at the door of all men, which is flawed thinking imo. The men who do these things are a tiny, mainly mentally ill minority and not representative of all men.

The thing is inco, it isn't a tiny minority and it isn't anything to do with mental illness. The rates of men abusing women are through the roof and you almost certainly have several male friends who are perpetrators.

I'd argue that friendship groups and certainly mine tend to contain like minded individuals so don't think that's true at all. I don't even think I have several male friends let alone several who abuse their partners, a needless comment just for effect, you're better than that.

[McLaren]

Soul

You are relatively new to this board. History has shown I am not better than that.

[incontinentia]

Horrible crime no doubt mac. Sadiq Khan and others seem to want to place the blame for these murders of women at the door of all men, which is flawed thinking imo. The men who do these things are a tiny, mainly mentally ill minority and not representative of all men.

The thing is inco, it isn't a tiny minority and it isn't anything to do with mental illness. The rates of men abusing women are through the roof and you almost certainly have several male friends who are perpetrators.

Well how often do such murders happen? By definition is it is a tiny minority carrying them out. I'm sure the figures are a lot higher for domestic abuse etc. Sadiq has taken a comparatively small number of extreme cases and extrapolated the issue to place the blame on men as a group for these crimes, it's like blaming all muslims for 9/11! He now wants to make misogyny a hate crime, which although well intentioned is a bit ridiculous.
I always think its hilarious when politicians think prospective murderers will turn over a new leaf as a result of public pressure.

[super_realist]

Khan is a hopeless twerp.

[McLaren]

Yeh, fine. Abuse of women isn't a thing. Move along everybody.

[super_realist]

Yeh, fine. Abuse of women isn't a thing. Move along everybody.

Everything is a "thing" but its simply not as widespread as you think.
I even heard some idiotic peer a few months ago claim "all men shoud be curfewed"

[beninho]

I woukd think that domestic abuse, not just violence, is a lot more prevalent then most people think it is. Almost every day, we get approaches from women fleeing some form of abuse. That's just one Borough in London.

Why can't misogyny be a hate crime anyway?

[beninho]

But, anyway, abuse against women isn't really much and not that widespread. Super Realist from the inner says so. That well known violence against women campaigner.

[super_realist]

But, anyway, abuse against women isn't really much and not that widespread. Super Realist from the inner says so. That well known violence against women campaigner.

We were talkiing about the murder of women given that we were referencing that murder in SE. London.
How are you any more of an expert? Just because you disagree with me, doesnt mean you know any more about it. So instead of having a go at me, realise that you dont come from a position of authority either.

[beninho]

But, anyway, abuse against women isn't really much and not that widespread. Super Realist from the inner says so. That well known violence against women campaigner.

We were talkiing about the murder of women given that we were referencing that murder in SE. London.
How are you any more of an expert? Just because you disagree with me, doesnt mean you know any more about it. So instead of having a go at me, realise that you dont come from a position of authority either.

You responded to a message about abuse of women claiming it isn't that widespread. I'm not an expert, but I wouldn't think about downplaying abuse if women, as you just did. Now I'm sure you have your reasons, so what are they?

[Soul Requiem]

But, anyway, abuse against women isn't really much and not that widespread. Super Realist from the inner says so. That well known violence against women campaigner.

We were talkiing about the murder of women given that we were referencing that murder in SE. London.
How are you any more of an expert? Just because you disagree with me, doesnt mean you know any more about it. So instead of having a go at me, realise that you dont come from a position of authority either.

You responded to a message about abuse of women claiming it isn't that widespread. I'm not an expert, but I wouldn't think about downplaying abuse if women, as you just did. Now I'm sure you have your reasons, so what are they?

You have a daughter I presume?

[beninho]

But, anyway, abuse against women isn't really much and not that widespread. Super Realist from the inner says so. That well known violence against women campaigner.

We were talkiing about the murder of women given that we were referencing that murder in SE. London.
How are you any more of an expert? Just because you disagree with me, doesnt mean you know any more about it. So instead of having a go at me, realise that you dont come from a position of authority either.

You responded to a message about abuse of women claiming it isn't that widespread. I'm not an expert, but I wouldn't think about downplaying abuse if women, as you just did. Now I'm sure you have your reasons, so what are they?

You have a daughter I presume?

I do. She's 3.

[Soul Requiem]

You have a daughter I presume?

I do. She's 3.

It becomes a slightly more emotive subject when you have a vested interest, something S_R doesn't have.

[super_realist]

But, anyway, abuse against women isn't really much and not that widespread. Super Realist from the inner says so. That well known violence against women campaigner.

We were talkiing about the murder of women given that we were referencing that murder in SE. London.
How are you any more of an expert? Just because you disagree with me, doesnt mean you know any more about it. So instead of having a go at me, realise that you dont come from a position of authority either.

You responded to a message about abuse of women claiming it isn't that widespread. I'm not an expert, but I wouldn't think about downplaying abuse if women, as you just did. Now I'm sure you have your reasons, so what are they?

You only respond to posts you have a vested interest in? Start a bloody housing post then.
I was referring to murder against women. Something which is absolutely tiny .

[super_realist]

But, anyway, abuse against women isn't really much and not that widespread. Super Realist from the inner says so. That well known violence against women campaigner.

We were talkiing about the murder of women given that we were referencing that murder in SE. London.
How are you any more of an expert? Just because you disagree with me, doesnt mean you know any more about it. So instead of having a go at me, realise that you dont come from a position of authority either.

You responded to a message about abuse of women claiming it isn't that widespread. I'm not an expert, but I wouldn't think about downplaying abuse if women, as you just did. Now I'm sure you have your reasons, so what are they?

You have a daughter I presume?

I do. She's 3.

Has she been murdered or abused? No, so you've still not get any more to go on than i do

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