Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Will Alec Baldwin go to jail for the manslaughter of that lady on the filmset under American law or is it considered an industrial accident?

Doesnt seem like he's in trouble just yet. How do you kill someone with a prop gun that fires blanks?

Edit: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/prop-gun-using-blanks-still-052227936.html

"As for the question of criminal responsibility, that’s for law enforcement to investigate. But it must be noted that in the vast majority of cases, the person who pulled the trigger wasn’t remotely at fault. They were handed a prop and assured it would function normally — and it didn’t."

Guns dont kill people, rappers do.

[McLaren]

Super

I'll keep this brief. I agree that the OF and their fans are scum, but you clearly don't understand what supporting a sports team is about. It isn't about performance analysis it is about riding the highs and lows as they come.

[super_realist]

Super

I'll keep this brief. I agree that the OF and their fans are scum, but you clearly don't understand what supporting a sports team is about. It isn't about performance analysis it is about riding the highs and lows as they come.

I already said its not about results. I was talking about quality.
Maybe I just dont get the irrational, illogical and borderline relgious conviction to a sports team. Same as i dont understand the unquestioning loyalty Brits give to a failing NHS

Why do you support Man U? Given your age im presuming it began with glory hunting in the 90's? Surely due to that you pay them less attention now they aren't the top team and play less attractively?

[McLaren]

Super

I don't know for sure but I think I started supporting Man Utd in 93 ish (aged around 6 or 7). I had a mate who got a man utd shirt and had posters of them on his wall. I played football but didn't really know anything about teams or leagues at that point so just sort of gravitated towards the team my mate "supported". My mum was also a bit of a ferguson fan for some reason, I think she just liked the idea of a Scottish guy doing well at a big club. So that rubbed off as well.

And after that, as a kid, I obviously wasn't going to change clubs when they started winning everything.

It is also true that I am not as invested as I was when in high school and Man Utd and Arsenal was such a big deal. These days I get some joy when there is a good result but find it hard to care if things go badly.

***Just checked and the shirt that attracted me was the 92/93 home kit. But not sure how new the kit was at the point I was drawn to it.


Also what that image reminds me of is that cantona would have been big news, that can't have hurt in terms of drawing in new fans.

Edit 2, What I do remember clearly is going to the local sports shop to pre order this kit with cantona on the back for my birthday.


So I must of become a fan at some point between 92 and 94.

[super_realist]

Glad you say "supported"

[McLaren]

Glad you say "supported"

I don't know what this means?

[super_realist]

Glad you say "supported"

I don't know what this means?

In that you arent really a supporter in any meaningful way, for example you dont financially benefit the club really, you dont go to matches and your fondness for Man United has no tangible benefits to the club

[beninho]

Super

I'll keep this brief. I agree that the OF and their fans are scum, but you clearly don't understand what supporting a sports team is about. It isn't about performance analysis it is about riding the highs and lows as they come.

I already said its not about results. I was talking about quality.
Maybe I just dont get the irrational, illogical and borderline relgious conviction to a sports team. Same as i dont understand the unquestioning loyalty Brits give to a failing NHS

Why do you support Man U? Given your age im presuming it began with glory hunting in the 90's? Surely due to that you pay them less attention now they aren't the top team and play less attractively?

Yep, I think everyone can agree you don't appear to understand supporting a team.

[McLaren]

Glad you say "supported"

I don't know what this means?

In that you arent really a supporter in any meaningful way, for example you dont financially benefit the club really, you dont go to matches and your fondness for Man United has no tangible benefits to the club

I still don't get it. Are you making some point about what you think the term "supported" means?

[super_realist]

Glad you say "supported"

I don't know what this means?

In that you arent really a supporter in any meaningful way, for example you dont financially benefit the club really, you dont go to matches and your fondness for Man United has no tangible benefits to the club

I still don't get it. Are you making some point about what you think the term "supported" means?

Id say feom what i know about your "support" of Man U its more of a preference and a liking of Man U.
For example Real Madrid claim something like 720m fans worldwide. Are they actually suporting anything, or just favouring that club over others.

[JAS]

Jas

Whether or not the clubs have players/managers of the opposing faith or what colour of car they are allowed to drive, is besides the point. The actual fans are still mostly scumbags when it comes to the OF. Maybe things seem more civilized among your middle class mates away from Glasgow and Scotland who support the OF, but this is not the story on the ground.

The tribalism and sectarianism is still very real if you actually spend time with the "lower class" fan. And it's not just the OF in Scotland, you go to any football ground in Scotland or pass the ground on matchday and it is full of pathetic behaviour.

I still get back to Cumnock occasionally although not since Covid. Has it gone backwards “on the ground” in the past 2 years? I have no idea how you’ve come to the conclusion (without any tangible evidence) that I have middle class mates and what your judgement criteria is for same.

You do however make a good point that there is pathetic behaviour in and around football grounds, not just the OF, not just Scottish football either, the only thing with old firm fans pathetic behaviour is they have more of a consistently used subset set of insults.

I’m not trivialiising it but I do find McCoist’s story about turning up late to a Scotland training session. The squad had a commitment to do a “stand against Racism/Bigotry” or “ show racism the red card” type publicity stunt. All the squad were standing around getting cold waiting for the photo shoot and McCoist eventually turns up and Tommy Burns shouts “will you hurry up ya Orange B*******”. Obviously a long time ago when such comments in the right context were still seen as banter.

[super_realist]

I once spent an evening drinking with a few Rangers players. Theybwere quite good company, but it was clear they didn't take their careers very seriously

[JAS]

I once spent an evening drinking with a few Rangers players. Theybwere quite good company, but it was clear they didn't take their careers very seriously

Lol which ones? Depending on what era that could have been an expensive round :-p

Looking increasingly like GvB heading for Ibrox. Interesting that Lampard has withdrawn his interest in Norwich. Would be a tight call if both of them want it. Think any others can forget it, I initially thought Gattuso would be a good shout but Nah, not so sure

[superflyweight]

I once spent an evening drinking with a few Rangers players. Theybwere quite good company, but it was clear they didn't take their careers very seriously

As seriously as someone who has posted more than 27,000 times on this forum takes their career?

[super_realist]

I once spent an evening drinking with a few Rangers players. Theybwere quite good company, but it was clear they didn't take their careers very seriously

Lol which ones? Depending on what era that could have been an expensive round :-p

Looking increasingly like GvB heading for Ibrox. Interesting that Lampard has withdrawn his interest in Norwich. Would be a tight call if both of them want it. Think any others can forget it, I initially thought Gattuso would be a good shout but Nah, not so sure

Charlie Miller, Stephen Thompson and Neil McCann I think. Typically boorish as you would imagine and Miller and Thompson mist have smoked about 20 cigs each.

[super_realist]

I once spent an evening drinking with a few Rangers players. Theybwere quite good company, but it was clear they didn't take their careers very seriously

Lol which ones? Depending on what era that could have been an expensive round :-p

Looking increasingly like GvB heading for Ibrox. Interesting that Lampard has withdrawn his interest in Norwich. Would be a tight call if both of them want it. Think any others can forget it, I initially thought Gattuso would be a good shout but Nah, not so sure

Cant see Lampard at Ibrox, hes another like Gerrard who would keave in a couple of years. Not sure Rangers fans would be happy having someone who they knew had one eye on the exit before hes even got there.

Can they afford either anyway?

[JAS]

I once spent an evening drinking with a few Rangers players. Theybwere quite good company, but it was clear they didn't take their careers very seriously

Lol which ones? Depending on what era that could have been an expensive round :-p

Looking increasingly like GvB heading for Ibrox. Interesting that Lampard has withdrawn his interest in Norwich. Would be a tight call if both of them want it. Think any others can forget it, I initially thought Gattuso would be a good shout but Nah, not so sure

Cant see Lampard at Ibrox, hes another like Gerrard who would keave in a couple of years. Not sure Rangers fans would be happy having someone who they knew had one eye on the exit before hes even got there.

Can they afford either anyway?

Yep I think that’s pretty much a given and GvB would be the same and to be honest if Ange delivered them a couple of titles for Celtic it would be the same for him. You can’t fly in the face of commercial reality. Your assertion of feeder clubs is unfortunately reality.
If they decide to go for a cheaper home grown Jock then Davidson would be the only option, McInnes burned his bridges turning the job down pre Gerrard.

[super_realist]

Shows how far they've fallen when people leave Celtic and Rangers because Villa, Southampton, Bournemouth etc are seen as a more attractive place to be.

You're right they should probably go for a home grown blue nose as if they don't they'll just end up with a conveyor belt of managers using it as a stepping stone and your standard weedgie will moan they're traitors and turncoats.

Unfortunately too many Old Firm fans are deluded and still think theyve got serious clout and should be attracting top players and managers and can't accept the level they now find themselves at

[beninho]

So many people love comparing the unvaccinated population with the Jews in Nazi Germany, its pretty shocking.

[super_realist]

So many people love comparing the unvaccinated population with the Jews in Nazi Germany, its pretty shocking.

You should stop following Jeremy Corbyn on twitter
(Most Jews werent in Nazi Germany by the way, they were in countries they invaded)

Anyway, like you always say as an excuse for everthing "its just a minority of people saying that"

[beninho]

Yep, I'm sure it's only a minority. But it's still pretty shocking.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/kansas-anti-vaxxers-condemned-comparing-211154880.html

People wearing yellow stars, another shop reported to be selling them.

It's all pretty shocking.

[super_realist]

Ha ha, you didnt mention it was in some mentally backward country

[beninho]

I wish it was just one country, but also in England, Czech and Germany, France, Canada.

It's an anti vax thing it seem

[super_realist]

I wish it was just one country, but also in England, Czech and Germany, France, Canada.

It's an anti vax thing it seem

Quite happy to see Austria clamp down on anti vaxxers. If you refuse a vaccine, I dont care if you die.

[dynamark]

I feel like im dying but apparently its only the flu (man flu) should have had the flu jab a few weeks ago when it was offered,Can barely lift my head off the pillow and eyelids feel like they are weighed down .

[JAS]

I feel like im dying but apparently its only the flu (man flu) should have had the flu jab a few weeks ago when it was offered,Can barely lift my head off the pillow and eyelids feel like they are weighed down .

Proper flu really ain’t much fun Dyna, I always jump at the first chance of the jab. Looks like it’ll be a jab in each arm annually from now on.

[super_realist]

We get a nurse coming in to work and people arrange a flu vaccine through them.
Couldnt be more convenient.

[JAS]

Meanwhile worryingly quiet on the new manager front. GvB ticks all the boxes, has apparently interviewed well but no announcement? I hope they’re not scratching around for a cheaper alternative option. They’ve just taken at least half a dozen off the wage bill and chances are that realistically they’ll cash in on 2 or 3 players in Jan. Give the guy what he needs and let him get on with it.

[super_realist]

Do you really want another manager who is likely to go as soon as he gets a Leeds, Leicester, Southampton type job?

Wouldnt you be better with Alex Neil, Jack Ross, Derek McInnes or Calum Davidson who might hang around?

[JAS]

I don’t think it matters in that way, if they’re successful (which I’d want them to be) whether it’s a vB or Lamps or whether it’s a Davidson (forget the others you mention) the end result would be the same, deliver a couple of titles, a decent showing in Europe and off they’d go. Perhaps the only difference is current big names in the frame would go to the Premiership while a lesser name with moderate success might go to an ambitious Championship club.

[super_realist]

An unknown Scotchman is far less likely to get a big job these days. Clubs demand someone with a bit of prescence, not some guy who needs subtitles in an interview.

[JAS]

An unknown Scotchman is far less likely to get a big job these days. Clubs demand someone with a bit of prescence, not some guy who needs subtitles in an interview.

Absolute nonsense, Ferguson and Dalglish were great adverts for subtitles in their day. If hypothetically (because he’s not even on the shortlist) Davidson got the job, win 3 titles in a row and got through 3 champions league group stages, miraculously maybe getting to a QF, you honestly wouldn’t think he’d get a Premiership job because people couldn’t understand him? Aye because Tuchel, Klopp, Guardiola, Conte et al all speak absolute perfect Home Counties queens English, Jesus Super every now and again you deliver some absolute belters

[super_realist]

I said THESE DAYS.
Big clubs and their fans demand names, not nobodies

Your hypothetical is very much a case of "if yer aunt had Ba's"

Klopp has far mkre personality and better diction than any of these Weedgee managers that are the sort of calibre Rangers should  be approaching instead of trying to punch above their weight with someone they cant afford.

That sort of Painter and Decorator look and accent is fine if you're Plymouth, Yeovil or Bristol Rovers, but Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea etc arent going to be poaching that sort of manager off Rangers, I didnt say they had to be speaking RP, but clubs are snobbish these days, and Rangers would have a less popular manager if he was the type who looks like hed be equally at home at Barlinnie, like Barry FergusHUN.

[JAS]

I said THESE DAYS.
Big clubs and their fans demand names, not nobodies

Your hypothetical is very much a case of "if yer aunt had Ba's"

THESE DAYS some aunties will indeed have ba’s

[super_realist]

I said THESE DAYS.
Big clubs and their fans demand names, not nobodies

Your hypothetical is very much a case of "if yer aunt had Ba's"

THESE DAYS some aunties will indeed have ba’s

[JAS]

I said THESE DAYS.
Big clubs and their fans demand names, not nobodies

Your hypothetical is very much a case of "if yer aunt had Ba's"

THESE DAYS some aunties will indeed have ba’s

 

Meanwhile, national team, 6 wins on the bounce, seeded for the playoffs, that’s a fair turnaround, is there a Super negative spin somewhere?

[super_realist]

Only that i cant see progress from the playoffs.
Too many good teams in there.

I dont see too many positives from the Scotch team which can be credited to the SPL, which is where my criticism lies. Most of the players are either from the EPL or about as Scottish as those representing the Scotch rugby team

[JAS]

Indeed, with Portugal and Italy there they’re going to need a very fortunate draw.

As I understand it it’s the 10 group runners up + 2 from the nations league and that 12 gets whittled down to 3 via 3 groups having semi finals and final, 13 places out of 32 seems meagre representation for the worlds strongest footballing continent

[super_realist]

Indeed, with Portugal and Italy there they’re going to need a very fortunate draw.

As I understand it it’s the 10 group runners up + 2 from the nations league and that 12 gets whittled down to 3 via 3 groups having semi finals and final,  13 places out of 32 seems meagre representation for the worlds strongest footballing continent

The best teams go through, and if we are realistic, Scotland dont deserve to be considered a team of World Cup standard.

[JAS]

Indeed, with Portugal and Italy there they’re going to need a very fortunate draw.

As I understand it it’s the 10 group runners up + 2 from the nations league and that 12 gets whittled down to 3 via 3 groups having semi finals and final,  13 places out of 32 seems meagre representation for the worlds strongest footballing continent

The best teams go through, and if we are realistic, Scotland dont deserve to be considered a team of World Cup standard.

The best teams go through…not quite.
By and large the best teams from each region/continent go through, that’s not the issue, the issue is proportion from each continent.

[super_realist]

Indeed, with Portugal and Italy there they’re going to need a very fortunate draw.

As I understand it it’s the 10 group runners up + 2 from the nations league and that 12 gets whittled down to 3 via 3 groups having semi finals and final,  13 places out of 32 seems meagre representation for the worlds strongest footballing continent

The best teams go through, and if we are realistic, Scotland dont deserve to be considered a team of World Cup standard.

The best teams go through…not quite.
By and large the best teams from each region/continent go  through, that’s not the issue, the issue is proportion from each continent.

Id agree. I think Europe should probably make up more. Some big teams will probably miss out, but I dont think any big team will miss out die to Scotland.

Only way I can see Scotland getting through is if they get an incredibly favourable draw and perform out of their skin.

[Duty281]

Scotland will be seeded and at home for the semi-final, so they'll avoid the bigger nations for that round and might get a tie v a team like Austria or North Macedonia which would be winnable.

If Scotland got through that then whether they'd be home/away for the final would be decided on a random draw, and it is conceivable that they could play Russia or Sweden in that final, which again would be very winnable if Scotland were the home team. Alternatively they could find themselves up against Portugal in Lisbon for the final, which would likely be game over.

[Duty281]

Indeed, with Portugal and Italy there they’re going to need a very fortunate draw.

As I understand it it’s the 10 group runners up + 2 from the nations league and that 12 gets whittled down to 3 via 3 groups having semi finals and final,  13 places out of 32 seems meagre representation for the worlds strongest footballing continent

The best teams go through, and if we are realistic, Scotland dont deserve to be considered a team of World Cup standard.

The best teams go through…not quite.
By and large the best teams from each region/continent go  through, that’s not the issue, the issue is proportion from each continent.

When the World Cup expands to 48 teams in 2026, Europe will only be getting three extra teams through. It does seem disproportionate for the best footballing continent, especially when you consider that in 2026 6 teams from South America will be qualifying, which represents 60% of the nations that attempt qualifying from that region.

[super_realist]

Indeed, with Portugal and Italy there they’re going to need a very fortunate draw.

As I understand it it’s the 10 group runners up + 2 from the nations league and that 12 gets whittled down to 3 via 3 groups having semi finals and final,  13 places out of 32 seems meagre representation for the worlds strongest footballing continent

The best teams go through, and if we are realistic, Scotland dont deserve to be considered a team of World Cup standard.

The best teams go through…not quite.
By and large the best teams from each region/continent go  through, that’s not the issue, the issue is proportion from each continent.

When the World Cup expands to 48 teams in 2026, Europe will only be getting three extra teams through. It does seem disproportionate for the best footballing continent, especially when you consider that in 2026 6 teams from South America will be qualifying, which represents 60% of the nations that attempt qualifying from that region.

With the world going so woke im surprised they dont just allow every African country in and insist on a team from Lesbos

[super_realist]

Scotland will be seeded and at home for the semi-final, so they'll avoid the bigger nations for that round and might get a tie v a team like Austria or North Macedonia which would be winnable.

If Scotland got through that then whether they'd be home/away for the final would be decided on a random draw, and it is conceivable that they could play Russia or Sweden in that final, which again would be very winnable if Scotland were the home team. Alternatively they could find themselves up against Portugal in Lisbon for the final, which would likely be game over.

Italy too and potentially Netherlands

[McLaren]

I dont see too many positives from the Scotch  team which can be credited to the SPL, which is where my criticism lies. Most of the players are either  from the EPL or about as Scottish as those representing the Scotch rugby team

Isn't this a positive? If you look at other nations around Europe who are of a similar footballing stature to Scotland, like Denmark, you will see that most of their national team squad don't play in their home league. Hopefully the elite players of Scotland are now becoming aware that the SPFL is not a high quality league and that taking up opportunities not just in England but in the other big leagues of Europe is the only way to fully realize your potential. I think the Scottish player has been very slow to realize that even the Old firm have been playing at a pretty poor level for quite some time.

[McLaren]

This is becoming an even more horrific situation.

Mendy now charged with six instances of r***.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-59306545

[super_realist]

I dont see too many positives from the Scotch  team which can be credited to the SPL, which is where my criticism lies. Most of the players are either  from the EPL or about as Scottish as those representing the Scotch rugby team

Isn't this a positive? If you look at other nations around Europe who are of a similar footballing stature to Scotland, like Denmark, you will see that most of their national team squad don't play in their home league.  Hopefully the elite players of Scotland are now becoming aware that the SPFL is not a high quality league and that taking up opportunities not just in England but in the other big leagues of Europe is the only way to fully realize your potential. I think the Scottish player has been very slow to realize that even the Old firm have been playing at a pretty poor level for quite some time.

Leaving Scotchland is definitely a bonus. You just need to look at how players like Robertson and Tierney have done in England.

If you stay in Scotland, like Callum McGregor or Scott Brown you're just demonstrating a lack of ambition

[JAS]

I dont see too many positives from the Scotch  team which can be credited to the SPL, which is where my criticism lies. Most of the players are either  from the EPL or about as Scottish as those representing the Scotch rugby team

Isn't this a positive? If you look at other nations around Europe who are of a similar footballing stature to Scotland, like Denmark, you will see that most of their national team squad don't play in their home league.  Hopefully the elite players of Scotland are now becoming aware that the SPFL is not a high quality league and that taking up opportunities not just in England but in the other big leagues of Europe is the only way to fully realize your potential. I think the Scottish player has been very slow to realize that even the Old firm have been playing at a pretty poor level for quite some time.

Leaving Scotchland is definitely a bonus. You just need to look at how players like Robertson and Tierney have done in England.

If you stay in Scotland, like Callum McGregor or Scott Brown you're just demonstrating a lack of ambition

Not necessarily, it’s a much harder (not bigger) challenge to make Aberdeen or Celtic a force in Europe than it is say Liverpool or Arsenal. Realistically you could flip it the other way and say that not a harder challenge it’s just plain delusional. The thing is you just don’t know what’s round the corner.
Who’s to say half a dozen Silicon Valley titans don’t get together and invest crazy money in Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Kilmarnock and Motherwell and throw money at them to attract great players to the Spl? Highly unlikely scenario but you can’t say for certain that it will never happen.

[super_realist]

People only invest wheres there's interest JAS.
Companies have tried pouring money into Scottish football before, and look what happened, they went bust because people didnt subscribe. It needs a radical change somewhere because being a two horse race only interests the two horses.

I could see that Scottish football could potentially create a niche by moving to summer football and offering football addicts a summer outlet, alternatigely they could create a league with Norway, Denmark, Netherlands etc, but unfortunately the powers that be are as ineffective and traditional as the R and A but I simply cant see it happens the longer they maintain the dreary status quo.

[McLaren]

Jas

That's tin foil hat, even for you.

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