Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Will Alec Baldwin go to jail for the manslaughter of that lady on the filmset under American law or is it considered an industrial accident?

Doesnt seem like he's in trouble just yet. How do you kill someone with a prop gun that fires blanks?

Edit: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/prop-gun-using-blanks-still-052227936.html

"As for the question of criminal responsibility, that’s for law enforcement to investigate. But it must be noted that in the vast majority of cases, the person who pulled the trigger wasn’t remotely at fault. They were handed a prop and assured it would function normally — and it didn’t."

Guns dont kill people, rappers do.

[McLaren]

If you stay in Scotland, like Callum McGregor or Scott Brown you're just demonstrating a lack of ambition

It is crazy that Callum McGregor has stayed at celtic. I don't think it is an exaggeration to say he could get in a couple of the EPL's top 6 midfields.

[super_realist]

If you stay in Scotland, like Callum McGregor or Scott Brown you're just demonstrating a lack of ambition

It is crazy that Callum McGregor has stayed at celtic. I don't think it is an exaggeration to say he could get in a couple of the EPL's top 6 midfields.

Im not sure hes that good but what a total loser staying at Celtic.
He could probably sign for West Ham, Everton, Southampton etc and face proper opposition for better money.

[McLaren]

Super

He is very good. I think he is the most underrated of the current top scottish players. Maybe only Tierney should be considered a more valuable player than him. He has a level of being calm and comfortable on the ball that is missing from a lot of british players. Just look at how all action McGinn is for example. He has that thing that isn't valued all that much in the British game which is just being able to keep things ticking over. We seem to prefer a Stevie G type player who adopted a more of a headless chicken approach.

[super_realist]

Tierney is certainly top-drawer. Im notbsure why he isnt the Arsenal captain. They are a hugely better team when he plays, maybe because hes injury prone.

McGregor would do well in Germany.

[McLaren]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if more teams got onboard with this.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/18/denmark-vow-to-step-up-criticism-of-qatar-after-qualifying-for-world-cup

[super_realist]

Criticism, but no balls to boycott.

[McLaren]

This cricket thing is wild. Now turns out that even the star of the show was flinging anti semitic comments about. What the hell is up with the cricket community?

[JAS]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if more teams got onboard with this.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/18/denmark-vow-to-step-up-criticism-of-qatar-after-qualifying-for-world-cup

What price the Danish squad mysteriously going down with “food poisoning” early in the tournament

[JAS]

…and GvB arrives. So would Rangers fans still be bigots if they wore Dutch shirts now that they have another Dutch Manager (asking for a friend)

[dynamark]

As per Mac you have to smile at the cricket I wonder why he went back to Yorks for a second go
Dont even start me on railways a few minutes off a journey time apparently saves the future of the northern economy! Utter rubbish.

[super_realist]

…and GvB arrives. So would Rangers fans still be bigots if they wore Dutch shirts now that they have another Dutch Manager (asking for a friend)

They werent bigots for wearing dutch shirts, the club were bigoted and infantile for having an orange away shirt which was precisely the same colours as the Orange Order Sash. Clearly provocative and absolutely unnecessary, despite your claims the club had moved on and was now "making strides" despite it beong frequently fined for sectarianism, this hardly helped matters by stoking the fire between two stupid cults.

Like Gerrard, GVB will do 2-3 years and then move to a better opportunity, "Fans" will call him Judas and a turncoat and the whole thing will start all over again. Vile club, deluded supporters

[super_realist]

This cricket thing is wild. Now turns out that even the star of the show was flinging anti semitic comments about. What the hell is up with the cricket community?

I did find that quite funny and ironic. The racism he received was terrible, but him giving it the crocodile tears when hes dishing it out like Jeremy Corbyn to the Jewish community.
What is it with Muslims and anti semitism? They seem to think that its acceptable , but that bashing Islam isnt. (i think its fine to bash all religions, theyre all stupid and indefensible beliefs)

[JAS]

…and GvB arrives. So would Rangers fans still be bigots if they wore Dutch shirts now that they have another Dutch Manager (asking for a friend)

They werent bigots for wearing dutch shirts, the club were bigoted and infantile for having an orange away  shirt which was precisely the same colours as the Orange Order Sash. Clearly provocative and absolutely unnecessary, despite your claims the club had moved on and was now "making strides" despite it beong frequently fined for sectarianism, this hardly helped matters by stoking the fire between two stupid cults.

Like Gerrard, GVB will do 2-3 years and then move to a better opportunity, "Fans" will call him Judas and a turncoat and the whole thing will start all over again. Vile club, deluded supporters

Well like I've said before if he leaves in 2-3 years for a better opportunity, he'll only be able to do that if he's had success and I'll be good with that.
You won't have heard me or the vast majority of Rangers fans calling Gerrard a Judas. Just a large amount of appreciation of the job he done, they were a shambles and a laughing stock when he arrived. His timing on leaving could have been better yes but that was all to do with the timing of the better opportunity but I wish him well at Villa. Contrast that to the outpouring Brenda got went he escaped to Leicester (after being far more successful silverware wise than Gerrard).

You do know that the Dutch shirt orange and orange order sash orange are one in the same colour (for obvious reasons of its origin from the ancestral House of Orange/Dutch royal Family). Most people would accept after a successful period of a Dutch Manager and numerous Dutch internationals in a squad it wouldn't be a outlandish idea for a Rangers 3rd strip to be Dutch orange as a tribute. To say that's bigoted says a lot more about the oddly selective wokeness of the accuser than it does about the supposed lingering bigotry of the Club.

There would have been a time I wouldn't have taken my kids to a game, I wouldn't have a problem taking my grandkids now. Takes a special kind of head in the sand bitterness to try and assert that as a Club Rangers haven't moved forwards in trying to eradicate all kinds of discrimination in the past 20 years.

[dynamark]

Super you are forgetting that everything Muslim is correct,true and should be followed to the letter by all humanity.
All religion is almost by definition ridiculous.I can understand someone having ideals and a historic figure they admire and aspire to but thats as far as it can go.I remember the day I went off to sunday school probably 6 years old and came home thinking no that cannot be right.

[JAS]

Super you are forgetting that everything Muslim is correct,true and should be followed to the letter by all humanity.
All religion is almost by definition ridiculous.I can understand someone having ideals and a historic figure they admire and aspire to but thats as far as it can go.I remember the day I went off to sunday school probably 6 years old  and came home thinking no that cannot be right.

That’s impressively young Dyna, I think I was about 8 when I did exactly the same.

[dynamark]

Jas to carry on from that I didnt go for a couple of sundays and then the christian police came round to the house to find out why one of the flock had jumped the fence and my dad to his credit said no its Marks decision hes done.I was still in a scout group connected to a methodist church and no doubt they saw the scouts as a source of future congregation but we used to go down the pub after scouts so no danger.

[super_realist]

…and GvB arrives. So would Rangers fans still be bigots if they wore Dutch shirts now that they have another Dutch Manager (asking for a friend)

They werent bigots for wearing dutch shirts, the club were bigoted and infantile for having an orange away  shirt which was precisely the same colours as the Orange Order Sash. Clearly provocative and absolutely unnecessary, despite your claims the club had moved on and was now "making strides" despite it beong frequently fined for sectarianism, this hardly helped matters by stoking the fire between two stupid cults.

Like Gerrard, GVB will do 2-3 years and then move to a better opportunity, "Fans" will call him Judas and a turncoat and the whole thing will start all over again. Vile club, deluded supporters

Well like I've said before if he leaves in 2-3 years for a better opportunity, he'll only be able to do that if he's had success and I'll be good with that.
You won't have heard me or the vast majority of Rangers fans calling Gerrard a Judas. Just a large amount of appreciation of the job he done, they were a shambles and a laughing stock when he arrived. His timing on leaving could have been better yes but that was all to do with the timing of the better opportunity but I wish him well at Villa. Contrast that to the outpouring Brenda got went he escaped to Leicester (after being far more successful silverware wise than Gerrard).

You do know that the Dutch shirt orange and orange order sash orange are one in the same colour (for obvious reasons of its origin from the ancestral House of Orange/Dutch royal Family). Most people would accept after a successful period of a Dutch Manager and numerous Dutch internationals in a squad it wouldn't be a outlandish idea for a Rangers 3rd strip to be Dutch orange as a tribute. To say that's bigoted says a lot more about the oddly selective wokeness of the accuser than it does about the supposed lingering bigotry of the Club.

There would have been a time I wouldn't have taken my kids to a game, I wouldn't have a problem taking my grandkids now. Takes a special kind of head in the sand bitterness to try and assert that as a Club Rangers haven't moved forwards in trying to eradicate all kinds of discrimination in the past 20 years.

Yes, i do know that the Dutch shirt is the same colour as the orange order but a club (which you claim is now progressive) shouldnt be making such a connection if it has grown up.

I expect a club to be more grown up and distance itswlf feom such childishness and clear link that their knuckle dragging 1690 fan base migjt latch onto.
Its pitiful stuff and lroof they still habe a lot more growing up to do.
Celtic and Rangers should constantly be doing initiatives together to stamp this stuff out, not making this sort of sniggering dig  and tacit approval of sectarianism.

This shirt wasnt released at a time when Rangers had a dutch manager or many dutch players.

[super_realist]

Super you are forgetting that everything Muslim is correct,true and should be followed to the letter by all humanity.
All religion is almost by definition ridiculous.I can understand someone having ideals and a historic figure they admire and aspire to but thats as far as it can go.I remember the day I went off to sunday school probably 6 years old  and came home thinking no that cannot be right.

That’s impressively young Dyna, I think I was about 8 when I did exactly the same.

Probably before you stopped believing in Santa Claus. Its weird that an adult would get laughed at for believing in Santa Claus but not for following a religion which is indistinguishable from a fairy tale and that such beliefs should be "respected". I cant begin to explain how backward that position is.
Worse than that is that they get special treatment, tax free status and seats in the House of Lords.

[beninho]

Read an interesting thread on twitter with regards to the Insulate Britain protests and jailing. I get that people gave been very annoyed with them blocking the roads.

But it seems that the jailing, came about as tge Government put in place a super injunction. Not jailed via any law passed by the usual ways.

The interesting thing is the super injunction is based on anyone, blocking, slowing down, obstructing or interfering with a flow of traffic. Its not really specific to Insulate Britain.

Seems pretty wide ranging, considering it was never put through parliament. There was a fuel price go slow in Newcastle not long ago, which breaches the exact rules and can or shoukd face the same punishment.

[Duty281]

They were jailed because they showed no contrition and pledged to defy further court orders. One of them even said in court that if they weren't jailed they'd immediately return to blocking roads.

The injunction wasn't put through Parliament because it's a civil matter and was scrutinised by the courts instead - the courts are usually much tougher scrutineers than people in Parliament.

[beninho]

They were jailed because they showed no contrition and pledged to defy further court orders. One of them even said in court that if they weren't jailed they'd immediately return to blocking roads.

The injunction wasn't put through Parliament because it's a civil matter and was scrutinised by the courts instead - the courts are usually much tougher scrutineers than people in Parliament.

I know you are a big believer of the sovereignty of Parliament. Do you like that Parliament is not involved with setting up laws in order to prosecute anyone who blocks or causes an obstruction on a major road?

[super_realist]

They were jailed because they showed no contrition and pledged to defy further court orders. One of them even said in court that if they weren't jailed they'd immediately return to blocking roads.

The injunction wasn't put through Parliament because it's a civil matter and was scrutinised by the courts instead - the courts are usually much tougher scrutineers than people in Parliament.

I know you are a big believer of the sovereignty of Parliament. Do you like that Parliament is not involved with setting up laws in order to prosecute anyone who blocks or causes an obstruction on a major road?

Why does it matter? No one should be permitted to block roads.

[Duty281]

They were jailed because they showed no contrition and pledged to defy further court orders. One of them even said in court that if they weren't jailed they'd immediately return to blocking roads.

The injunction wasn't put through Parliament because it's a civil matter and was scrutinised by the courts instead - the courts are usually much tougher scrutineers than people in Parliament.

I know you are a big believer of the sovereignty of Parliament. Do you like that Parliament is not involved with setting up laws in order to prosecute anyone who blocks or causes an obstruction on a major road?

No laws have been set up. This is an injunction, not an Act of Parliament.

[beninho]

That's the issue, no laws were set up and existing laws were clearly not used. So the government followed another course of action privately. Now some people may be fine with that, others will have issues.

[Soul Requiem]

That's the issue, no laws were set up and existing laws were clearly not used. So the government  followed another course of action privately. Now some people may be fine with that, others will have issues.

Who will have issues aside from the idiots causing the disruption?

[JAS]

That's the issue, no laws were set up and existing laws were clearly not used. So the government  followed another course of action privately. Now some people may be fine with that, others will have issues.

Who will have issues aside from the idiots causing the disruption?

I'm not siding with the idiots glueing themselves to roads here BUT...the right to protest is a VERY important tool in a FREE democratic society. To circumvent and surreptitiously take it away is quite a dangerous road to start going down. They'll get away with that approach because the vast majority of the public whilst maybe sympathetic of the overall cause are totally against the current methods employed by these bellends.

Having said all that, personally I'd be minded to throat punch them if I got held up near the front of a queue they'd created.

[Soul Requiem]

That's the issue, no laws were set up and existing laws were clearly not used. So the government  followed another course of action privately. Now some people may be fine with that, others will have issues.

Who will have issues aside from the idiots causing the disruption?

I'm not siding with the idiots glueing themselves to roads here BUT...the right to protest is a VERY important tool in a FREE democratic society. To circumvent and surreptitiously take it away is quite a dangerous road to start going down. They'll get away with that approach because the vast majority of the public whilst maybe sympathetic of the overall cause are totally against the current methods employed by these bellends.

Having said all that, personally I'd be minded to throat punch them if I got held up near the front of a queue they'd created.

The right to PEACEFUL protest is important in a free democratic society however it is no ones right to cause disruption to others in particular emergency services.

[beninho]

The injunction doesn't set out anything about deliberately causing a disruption though. And it isn't only for the Insulate protestors or on the M25.

[Soul Requiem]

The injunction doesn't set out anything about deliberately causing a disruption though. And it isn't only for the Insulate protestors or on the M25.

And?

[Duty281]

That's the issue, no laws were set up and existing laws were clearly not used. So the government  followed another course of action privately. Now some people may be fine with that, others will have issues.

But that's what you asked me - was I OK with laws being created outside of Parliament? No laws have been created.

And of course existing laws are being used. How else do you think the injunction is set up? The injunction makes specific reference to the Highways Act 1980.

[beninho]

The injunction doesn't set out anything about deliberately causing a disruption though. And it isn't only for the Insulate protestors or on the M25.

And?

Do you agree with governments, ignoring current rules and laws to create ways to penalise people? Do you not think its a stretch, or is it fine if you don't like the people being jailed?

[Duty281]

That's the issue, no laws were set up and existing laws were clearly not used. So the government  followed another course of action privately. Now some people may be fine with that, others will have issues.

Who will have issues aside from the idiots causing the disruption?

I'm not siding with the idiots glueing themselves to roads here BUT...the right to protest is a VERY important tool in a FREE democratic society. To circumvent and surreptitiously take it away is quite a dangerous road to start going down. They'll get away with that approach because the vast majority of the public whilst maybe sympathetic of the overall cause are totally against the current methods employed by these bellends.

Having said all that, personally I'd be minded to throat punch them if I got held up near the front of a queue they'd created.

Freedom of protest is absolutely fine, but these injunctions prevent people from endangering lives (their own or other people's) and deliberately damaging infrastructure or obstructing traffic. Insulate Britain can still protest, but not if they're obstructing other people's business or endangering folk.

[Duty281]

The injunction doesn't set out anything about deliberately causing a disruption though. And it isn't only for the Insulate protestors or on the M25.

And?

Do you agree with governments, ignoring current rules and laws to create ways to penalise people?  Do you not think its a stretch, or is it fine if you don't like the people being jailed?

This isn't happening.

[Soul Requiem]

The injunction doesn't set out anything about deliberately causing a disruption though. And it isn't only for the Insulate protestors or on the M25.

And?

Do you agree with governments, ignoring current rules and laws to create ways to penalise people?  Do you not think its a stretch, or is it fine if you don't like the people being jailed?

That isn't what's happening though. The government took out an injunction which the HIGH COURT granted on a temporary basis. There has been no ignoring current laws to penalise people.

[beninho]

The injunction doesn't set out anything about deliberately causing a disruption though. And it isn't only for the Insulate protestors or on the M25.

And?

Do you agree with governments, ignoring current rules and laws to create ways to penalise people?  Do you not think its a stretch, or is it fine if you don't like the people being jailed?

This isn't happening.

You have a legal background? Do you have concerns with the people's unknown injunctions being issued, that many other lawyers and courts it seems, have? Do you think that costs involved, create a system where only wealthy people can put these in place, and in effect go above the laws already in place?

[Duty281]

The injunction doesn't set out anything about deliberately causing a disruption though. And it isn't only for the Insulate protestors or on the M25.

And?

Do you agree with governments, ignoring current rules and laws to create ways to penalise people?  Do you not think its a stretch, or is it fine if you don't like the people being jailed?

This isn't happening.

You have a legal background? Do you have concerns with the people's unknown injunctions being issued, that many other lawyers and courts it seems, have? Do you think that costs involved, create a system where only wealthy people can put these in place, and in effect go above the laws already in place?

No, and you don't need a legal background to understand something quite simple. No current rules or laws have been ignored or superseded. It has literally been put through a court of law to establish it!

I'm unsure what you mean by costs involved.

[beninho]

Interim injunctions are usually issued by private co patients or to protect private land. I'm just a bit wary of the government using them on public roads. All because they don't like the protestors.

What next telling people to be vaccinated or get sacked.

[Soul Requiem]

The public don't like the protestors.

[beninho]

The injunction doesn't set out anything about deliberately causing a disruption though. And it isn't only for the Insulate protestors or on the M25.

And?

Do you agree with governments, ignoring current rules and laws to create ways to penalise people?  Do you not think its a stretch, or is it fine if you don't like the people being jailed?

This isn't happening.

You have a legal background? Do you have concerns with the people's unknown injunctions being issued, that many other lawyers and courts it seems, have? Do you think that costs involved, create a system where only wealthy people can put these in place, and in effect go above the laws already in place?

No, and you don't need a legal background to understand something quite simple. No current rules or laws have been ignored or superseded. It has literally been put through a court of law to establish it!

I'm unsure what you mean by costs involved.

You cone across as you have a legal background. I think the advice alone was 17k, its very expensive to get an injunction.

Is the only way someone can be removed from causing an obstruction on the highway via an injunction?

[beninho]

The public don't like the protestors.

But the injunction isn't specifically about the protestors. It's also about someone driving slowly on a major road. It's very wide reaching.

[Soul Requiem]

The public don't like the protestors.

But the injunction isn't specifically about the protestors.  It's also about someone driving slowly on a major road. It's very wide reaching.

You keep repeating that but it serves no relevance whatsoever.

[Soul Requiem]

The public don't like the protestors.

But the injunction isn't specifically about the protestors.  It's also about someone driving slowly on a major road. It's very wide reaching.

You keep repeating that but it serves no relevance whatsoever. You're whining for the sake of whining.

[beninho]

The public don't like the protestors.

But the injunction isn't specifically about the protestors.  It's also about someone driving slowly on a major road. It's very wide reaching.

You keep repeating that but it serves no relevance whatsoever. You're whining for the sake of whining.

People protest, legally I think. So the outcome is to stop anyone driving slowly on a vast number roads. People think its appropriate.

[Soul Requiem]

Obstruction of a British road 'without lawful authority or excuse' is an offence under Section 137 of the Highways Act 1980.

[beninho]

Obstruction of a British road 'without lawful authority or excuse' is an offence under Section 137 of the Highways Act 1980.

Why did they have to get an injunction then?

[Duty281]

Interim injunctions are usually issued by private co patients or to protect private land.  I'm just a bit wary of the government using them on public roads.   All because they don't like the protestors.  

What next telling people to be vaccinated or get sacked.

No, they're doing it to stop people endangering life and to prevent lawful people having their daily business obstructed.

[McLaren]

This injunction sounds a bit like an executive order, which would be a really weird thing to happen in a parliamentary democracy.

[JuliusHMarx]

Maybe they could all head to the M25 and block all the injunctions.

[JAS]

Anyone ever been to Peppa pig world? It’s great apparently and more of us should have gone there. What a great success story it has become, especially after the BBC rejected it.
I feel so much better knowing that our glorious leader really does a great job selling our great institutions to the world.
Thank goodness we gave him such a thumping majority as a platform for this kind of pro British promotional work, delivered with an unmatched eloquence and incisive wit. Wonder if those pesky EU pedants will slap tariffs on Peppa exports.

[Galted]

Maybe they could all head to the M25 and block all the injunctions.

Acknowledged.

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