Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Will Alec Baldwin go to jail for the manslaughter of that lady on the filmset under American law or is it considered an industrial accident?

Doesnt seem like he's in trouble just yet. How do you kill someone with a prop gun that fires blanks?

Edit: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/prop-gun-using-blanks-still-052227936.html

"As for the question of criminal responsibility, that’s for law enforcement to investigate. But it must be noted that in the vast majority of cases, the person who pulled the trigger wasn’t remotely at fault. They were handed a prop and assured it would function normally — and it didn’t."

Guns dont kill people, rappers do.

[beninho]

Comedians tailor their act and persona to be on tv. Shock!!! I saw Frankie Boyle say something on his TV show the ither day, and audience looked shocked, he said, dont believe that his character is him!

[Duty281]

Comedians can not joke about what they want, certain types of comedy are considered 'punching down' and are no longer allowed. Frankie Boyle, for instance, can no longer do jokes about Harvey Price or Madeline McCann, otherwise he'd be 'cancelled ' in the same way that David Walliams and his two shows were effectively 'cancelled'. Jimmy Carr can't make jokes about the Holocaust or AIDS otherwise he'd get 'cancelled'. Jim Davidson probably got cancelled at some point, and John Cleese seems to be irked by the menace of it. In retrospect, many TV shows are edited to avoid being 'cancelled' while many others are airbrushed out of history.

Rather than meet this fate, both Boyle and Carr have transformed their careers into dull, establishment goons.

So you're saying that in order to sell more tickets and earn more money, they changed their act? If so, that's on them. Frankie Boyle is free to tell whatever jokes he wants, it's just that his audiences may well be quite small if not many people find him funny. Seems to me what he is really lamenting is his loss of earnings more than his loss of freedom of speech (which he hasn't lost).

'So you're saying' is usually the start of a bad faith argument, but this is a fairly apt summary. I don't think anyone is alleging that Boyle has lost his freedom of speech, though.

[beninho]

It set me off on a frankie boyle youtube wormhole. Love it, he is so funny.

[super_realist]

It set me off on a frankie boyle youtube wormhole. Love it, he is so funny.

He used to be funny, but then he turned into a mad leftie wokist.
Comedians have a shelf life, and his is over.

[super_realist]

The thi g about cancel culture, is no obe actually gets cancelled. Comedians can joke about what ever they want, and do. If you are funny with it , people will carry on going.  

Not sure if anyone watches its always sunny in philadelphia  one of the funniest shows ever, some of the most close to the bone jokes, jokes st everything. But it's done well, and is in its 15th season.  People love it.

People don't get cancelled, people just may not find them funny.

How can you say people dont get cancelled? They absolutely do.

[superflyweight]

replied to wrong post,

[Soul Requiem]

Frankie Boyle and funny in the same sentence, that's an oxymoron if ever I saw one.

[superflyweight]

It set me off on a frankie boyle youtube wormhole. Love it, he is so funny.

He used to be funny, but then he turned into a mad leftie wokist.
Comedians have a shelf life, and his is over.

The thoughts of Garry Bushell there.  Next up we have Richard Littlejohn on why you can't even call it Christmas anymore and later Jim Davidson will be doing a hilarious sketch featuring his Chalky White character.  This thread is sponsored by SunLife Plus50 Life Insurance.  

[McLaren]

Has anyone ever been cancelled in the way those that worry about cancel culture use the term?


I once heard someone say it would make more sense to call it accountability culture rather than cancel culture. In that you can say what you want but you have to deal with the consequences.

[super_realist]

Has anyone ever been cancelled in the way those that worry about cancel culture use the term?


I once heard someone say it would make more sense to call it accountability culture rather than cancel culture. In that you can say what you want but you have to deal with the consequences.

Yes, there certainly have been, on both sides of the divide. Guita Hari was sacked from GB News for taking the knee, Tim Luckhurst was suspended for referring to students who walked out as "pathetic", Quidditch UK ( ) seeking to change its name to dissociate itself from JK Rowling. Comedians and Lecturers having their jokes and speeches pre approved etc.

[McLaren]

Super

But have any of those people been cancelled? Or have they just been removed from one post? No one owes you a platform. All the examples you mention are still able to find a platform that does condone or allow their views to be heard.


(And don't laugh at Quidditch, they are more of an athlete than people who just run)

[super_realist]

Dont you think being suspended from your job for expressing a view is being cancelled? Why should you be suspended?

Yes, you arent due a platform, but  Luckhurst was suspended simply for booking a speaker that some wet, soppy millenials didnt like. How is that not cancellation?

Statues, art, books, buildings , streetnames, public figures have all been cancelled by soppy peoppe moaning it makes them feel "unsafe" or "offended", its just confected outrage.

Who elected this ridiculous commoitee of wetness to decide what is an acceptable view to express? We really are producing a generation of incredibly weak and intolerant youth who only want to hear whats in their own echo chamber.

[beninho]

Looked at that Luckhurst guy, can't see that's he's been suspended. But not sure if calling your students pathetic because they don't share your view is a great look in any place of education.

Seems to have his knickers in a right twist over a mate of his. He wants to defend freedom of speech by calling people names who don't agree with him.

Doesn't seem like he's been cancelled, just acted in a way he probably shouldn't have.

[super_realist]

Looked at that Luckhurst guy, can't see that's he's been suspended. But not sure if calling your students pathetic because they don't share your view is a great look in any place of education.

Seems to have his knickers in a right twist over a mate of his. He wants to defend freedom of speech by calling people names who don't agree with him.

Doesn't seem like he's been cancelled, just acted in a way he probably shouldn't have.

He called them pathetic because they walked out of a talk on TOLERANCE. Thats the  definition of pathetic, and yes he was suspended. There was also a representative of the Students claim they shouldnt have had a speaker like Liddle. Why not?

Of course they can walk out if they want, just as its not a suspension worthy punishment to label the. pathetic.
Why are the young so unable to challenge views that they dont agree with? Arent they equipped to debate?

[beninho]

My reading is they didn't know who the speaker was, it turned out to be Liddle, a man who once said he couldn't be a teacher as he'd want to bang the students, and it seems is pretty much a cok. He said something about a lack of sex workers, then they walked out. Freedom of choice, id assume the ones who left wouldn't have gone if they knew it was liddle.

Seems this guy got all in a twist because he's mate was embarrassed and decided to call them orthotic, not a good look when your in a position of power.

If he hadn't of called them pathetic as ge said, it was in anger and ge apologised, he wouldn't of been stepped back on certain things.

Not really a cancel thing. In fact a massive storm over nothing.

Cancel culture us not a thing. Freedom of choice is though, which is good.

[superflyweight]

Rod Liddle punched his pregnant girlfriend. Think his actions are worse than his ill-informed, half-assed opinions on anything.

However, can't moan about people being cancelled for expressing an opinion and then moaning about people expressing an opinion by walking out.

[Duty281]

"However, the comedian Russell Kane told the BBC it was “complete nonsense” to suggest comedians were self-censoring.

“I don’t think anyone is saying you can’t be offended, nobody is saying that. What we’re saying is you can’t use hate speech that would prompt a gender-related crime, a sex-related crime or a race-related crime,” he said. “There’s been a massive, much needed shift in the conversation around gender, around men’s attitudes to women, around consent. Society has moved on.”

Nevertheless, he said he did regularly delete his tweets in case anything came back to haunt him in future."

Don't know who this Russell Kane is, but he seems a prize clown. 'We're not self censoring...but of course I delete my old tweets just in case.'

[JuliusHMarx]

"Prof Luckhurst later told the student newspaper that "sincere commitment to freedom of speech was inevitably challenging", and his own intention was "never to offend", but "to stimulate robust discussion and debate".

"I regret any offence that has arisen, but I fear we have no right not to be offended," he added."

...said Professor Luckhurst who was clearly offended by students leaving the event because they felt they had better things to do with their time.

[JuliusHMarx]

"However, the comedian Russell Kane told the BBC it was “complete nonsense” to suggest comedians were self-censoring.

“I don’t think anyone is saying you can’t be offended, nobody is saying that. What we’re saying is you can’t use hate speech that would prompt a gender-related crime, a sex-related crime or a race-related crime,” he said. “There’s been a massive, much needed shift in the conversation around gender, around men’s attitudes to women, around consent. Society has moved on.”

Nevertheless, he said he did regularly delete his tweets in case anything came back to haunt him in future."

Don't know who this Russell Kane is, but he seems a prize clown. 'We're not self censoring...but of course I delete my old tweets just in case.'

In the same article Maureen Lipman said "It's in the balance whether we will ever be funny again." What a ridiculous statement. As if comedy will cease to exist. We can do without that sort of hopeless reactionary nonsense.

[beninho]

Everyone self censors and everyone shoukd self censor. Comedians will pick and choose what set 9r joke to do based on where they are.

[JuliusHMarx]

We self-censor on here according to what the mods would cancel us over.

[beninho]

Love the Yougov poll where 2/3rd have no idea what cancel culture is. Its so not really a thing, apart from people who want to decare it to be a terrible thing.

[Duty281]

Just because 2/3rds have no idea what it is, doesn't invalidate it as a thing. And there are plenty that support it; such people acknowledge its existence.

[Duty281]

"However, the comedian Russell Kane told the BBC it was “complete nonsense” to suggest comedians were self-censoring.

“I don’t think anyone is saying you can’t be offended, nobody is saying that. What we’re saying is you can’t use hate speech that would prompt a gender-related crime, a sex-related crime or a race-related crime,” he said. “There’s been a massive, much needed shift in the conversation around gender, around men’s attitudes to women, around consent. Society has moved on.”

Nevertheless, he said he did regularly delete his tweets in case anything came back to haunt him in future."

Don't know who this Russell Kane is, but he seems a prize clown. 'We're not self censoring...but of course I delete my old tweets just in case.'

In the same article Maureen Lipman said "It's in the balance whether we will ever be funny again." What a ridiculous statement. As if comedy will cease to exist. We can do without that sort of hopeless reactionary nonsense.

Comedy could easily cease to exist. It presumably doesn't exist in North Korea, and there's probably not much laughter in China. We must never be complacent about our freedoms and liberties, which so many take for granted, even with the forces of darkness at work.

[JuliusHMarx]

"However, the comedian Russell Kane told the BBC it was “complete nonsense” to suggest comedians were self-censoring.

“I don’t think anyone is saying you can’t be offended, nobody is saying that. What we’re saying is you can’t use hate speech that would prompt a gender-related crime, a sex-related crime or a race-related crime,” he said. “There’s been a massive, much needed shift in the conversation around gender, around men’s attitudes to women, around consent. Society has moved on.”

Nevertheless, he said he did regularly delete his tweets in case anything came back to haunt him in future."

Don't know who this Russell Kane is, but he seems a prize clown. 'We're not self censoring...but of course I delete my old tweets just in case.'

In the same article Maureen Lipman said "It's in the balance whether we will ever be funny again." What a ridiculous statement. As if comedy will cease to exist. We can do without that sort of hopeless reactionary nonsense.

Comedy could easily cease to exist. It presumably doesn't exist in North Korea, and there's probably not much laughter in China. We must never be complacent about our freedoms and liberties,  which so many take for granted, even with the forces of darkness at work.

Comedy will still exist as long as we have posts like this.

[Duty281]

That's a good way of looking at it. I salute you in these tough times.

[JuliusHMarx]

Thanks. Together I'm sure we can keep the forces of darkness at bay.

[Duty281]

That's as maybe. If I told you three years ago that you'd spend most of 2020 and 2021 locked up, like the rest of the country, you'd have disbelieved me. Unless you're a career criminal who keeps getting caught, which I doubt.

It only takes one incident and we'll be living in a totalitarian society that makes 1984 seem like a weekend in Penzance. Society is never far from total collapse.

[JuliusHMarx]

I was never locked up. Lockdown wasn't the forces of darkness. It's a common sense response to a pandemic that's caused a huge amount of death and suffering.

I do agree that society is never far from total collapse, but I put that down to the selfish nature of our species, not the forces of darkness. If we could all be less selfish, the collapse of society would be further away.

[Duty281]

An interesting hypothesis.

[JuliusHMarx]

Although obviously getting rid of all the repulsive fat people would help as well.

[Duty281]

I have nothing against such people. But if you think it would help, maybe it will.

[JuliusHMarx]

I have nothing against such people.

I know, but I try to be inclusive of all posters in my replies, where possible.

[Duty281]

That's very decent of you. Full of Christmas spirit.

[super_realist]

Love the Yougov poll where 2/3rd have no idea what cancel culture is. Its so not really a thing, apart from people who want to decare it to be a terrible thing.

Havw you seen some of the polls that cone out of Yougov? Tbey are hyaterical.They make Professor Neil Ferguson look reliable.
. Fact is we have a small number of people demanding someone is fired, suspended, expunged from history for one bad deed, or who said the wrong thing. Where is the tolerance?

Look at the offence archaeology which has halted the footlall and cricket careers of people who tweeted something when they were fourteen for goodness sake. Havent they been cancelled?

[super_realist]

"However, the comedian Russell Kane told the BBC it was “complete nonsense” to suggest comedians were self-censoring.

“I don’t think anyone is saying you can’t be offended, nobody is saying that. What we’re saying is you can’t use hate speech that would prompt a gender-related crime, a sex-related crime or a race-related crime,” he said. “There’s been a massive, much needed shift in the conversation around gender, around men’s attitudes to women, around consent. Society has moved on.”

Nevertheless, he said he did regularly delete his tweets in case anything came back to haunt him in future."

Don't know who this Russell Kane is, but he seems a prize clown. 'We're not self censoring...but of course I delete my old tweets just in case.'

In the same article Maureen Lipman said "It's in the balance whether we will ever be funny again." What a ridiculous statement. As if comedy will cease to exist. We can do without that sort of hopeless reactionary nonsense.

It depends if you want your comedians to only be Nish Kumar and Russel Kane.

[super_realist]

"Prof Luckhurst later told the student newspaper that "sincere commitment to freedom of speech was inevitably challenging", and his own intention was "never to offend", but "to stimulate robust discussion and debate".

"I regret any offence that has arisen, but I fear we have no right not to be offended," he added."

...said Professor Luckhurst who was clearly offended by students leaving the event because they felt they had better things to do with their time.

They didnt leave becauae they had "better things to do" , they left because they were too soft to listen to something they didnt agree with and "needed a safe space"

What sort of wet generation are we producing when peiple run away when tbey hear something they dont like. What happened tondebating them?

Luckhurst HAD to apologise for the sake of hia career and to placate a baying mob of simpletons calling for him to be sacked

[beninho]

Love the Yougov poll where 2/3rd have no idea what cancel culture is. Its so not really a thing, apart from people who want to decare it to be a terrible thing.

Havw you seen some of the polls that cone out of Yougov? Tbey are hyaterical.They make  Professor Neil Ferguson look reliable.
. Fact is we have a small number of people demanding someone is fired, suspended, expunged from history for one bad deed, or who said the wrong thing. Where is the tolerance?

Look at the offence archaeology which has halted the footlall and cricket careers of people who tweeted something when they were fourteen for goodness sake. Havent they been cancelled?

What sportsman has had his career cancelled? The phrase cancelled is just nonsense. As previously mentioned people have been burning books going back hundreds of years. There is no cancel culture. There are people opposed to things, which has been the same forever.

[beninho]

"Prof Luckhurst later told the student newspaper that "sincere commitment to freedom of speech was inevitably challenging", and his own intention was "never to offend", but "to stimulate robust discussion and debate".

"I regret any offence that has arisen, but I fear we have no right not to be offended," he added."

...said Professor Luckhurst who was clearly offended by students leaving the event because they felt they had better things to do with their time.

They didnt leave becauae they had "better things to do" , they left because they were too soft to listen to something they didnt agree with and "needed a safe space"

What sort of wet generation are we producing when peiple run away when tbey hear something they dont like. What happened tondebating them?

Luckhurst HAD to apologise for the sake of hia career and to placate a baying mob of simpletons calling for him to be sacked

You seem pretty open with the things you dislike or the comedians, music, religion etc. When did you last go and deliberately go to something you knew you wouldn't enjoy, a band you didn't like or a comedian you thought was wokey dokey or some sort?

[beninho]

https://www.newstatesman.com/society/2021/12/if-rod-liddle-has-the-right-to-lecture-durham-students-about-sex-work-wheres-my-invitation-to-talk-about-cats

[JuliusHMarx]

"Prof Luckhurst later told the student newspaper that "sincere commitment to freedom of speech was inevitably challenging", and his own intention was "never to offend", but "to stimulate robust discussion and debate".

"I regret any offence that has arisen, but I fear we have no right not to be offended," he added."

...said Professor Luckhurst who was clearly offended by students leaving the event because they felt they had better things to do with their time.

They didnt leave becauae they had "better things to do" , they left because they were too soft to listen to something they didnt agree with and "needed a safe space"

What sort of wet generation are we producing when peiple run away when tbey hear something they dont like. What happened tondebating them?

Luckhurst HAD to apologise for the sake of hia career and to placate a baying mob of simpletons calling for him to be sacked

He had to apologise for his childish name-calling and personal insults that he threw during his hissy fit, when students decided his mate wasn't worth bothering with.

[McLaren]

Super

You still don't seem able to come up with an example of someone being "cancelled" by your definition of the term?

All you have done is list people who were not welcome in particular spaces.

So come on, lets hear an example of someone actually getting cancelled?

[Galted]

JK Rowling being excluded from the Harry Potter reunion is about as cancelled as you can get.

[JuliusHMarx]

Also the Glitter Band don't want Gary Glitter back.

[Galted]

Also the Glitter Band don't want Gary Glitter back.

Political correctness gone mad.

[Mind the windows Tino.]

Also the Glitter Band don't want Gary Glitter back.

Political correctness gone mad.

He only wanted to be in their gang.

[Galted]

Also the Glitter Band don't want Gary Glitter back.

Political correctness gone mad.

He only wanted to be in their gang.

Just fancy that.

[dynamark]

Apparently the Leicester fans at Anfield last might did a song about scousers and foodbanks which got the reception you can imagine .but they still did it.Not great but no worse than asking the brighton fans 'does your boyfriend know you are here'
Best wishes to all

[JuliusHMarx]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/cancel-culture-is-a-myth-nothing-can-shut-us-comedians-up/ar-AAS5Ppt?ocid=msedgntp

A few quotes -
"The idea that cancel culture is “on the cusp of wiping out comedy”, as Maureen Lipman told the BBC this week, is self-righteous hysteria."

"My peers told me Chappelle had done some offensive jokes about transgender people in his latest TV special, and he’d consequently had his new documentary pulled from some film festivals. I bought a ticket to see him at the Hammersmith Apollo. It quickly sold out. Surely if 5,000 people turn up to see you, you’re not really cancelled."

"While a white man making jokes about his Pakistani neighbour may have been considered funny in 1975, they are not found funny today because the world has evolved. This has made a lot of people angry: mainly old white men crawling over our screens like reptiles, whining, “You can’t say anything these days.”" (reminds me of a few on this forum)

"If you’re a comedian and you are unemployed, maybe it’s because your material is as dated as you are, and it’s more convenient to blame all the petition-signing woke vegans for the fact you can’t get on Blankety Blank any more."

"Cancel culture is just a term used by people to put a cloak of respectability over the fact they want to be able to say offensive things without consequences."

[Duty281]

More confused drivel from a left-wing 'comedian'. They don't know which way is up.

'If you say bigoted things, that makes you a bigot.'

Alright then, this person once abused Sajid Javid by calling them a coconut, and said that Nigel Farage was more Pakistani than Javid. That's bigoted and she's a bigot.

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