Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Will Alec Baldwin go to jail for the manslaughter of that lady on the filmset under American law or is it considered an industrial accident?

Doesnt seem like he's in trouble just yet. How do you kill someone with a prop gun that fires blanks?

Edit: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/prop-gun-using-blanks-still-052227936.html

"As for the question of criminal responsibility, that’s for law enforcement to investigate. But it must be noted that in the vast majority of cases, the person who pulled the trigger wasn’t remotely at fault. They were handed a prop and assured it would function normally — and it didn’t."

Guns dont kill people, rappers do.

[McLaren]

James Franco just had a sly hump in the sex scenes.

[pedro]

The cancel culture is very much about shutting down people with different views and opinions than oneself. It’s the manifestation of a belittled lefts lack of tolerance and its obsession of passing moral judgments in order to make oneself feel superior, often on the perceived behalf of others. Regardless of whether an actual crime has been committed or not. It’s second only to the Medieval church. Orwell salutes you.

[JuliusHMarx]

The cancel culture is very much about shutting down people with different views and opinions than oneself. It’s the manifestation of a belittled lefts lack of tolerance and its obsession of passing moral judgments in order to make oneself feel superior, often on the perceived behalf of others. Regardless of whether an actual crime has been committed or not. It’s second only to the Medieval church. Orwell salutes you.

Does it have a different name when it is the belittled right's lack of tolerance?

[super_realist]

Eight match ban actually.

5 suspended. He missed 1 game he could have played in. Its a very minor cancellation. Considering he's playing I'm the Ashes.

You consider it minor, I consider it a gross over reaction. It was a pathetic thing to have done, deciding to attempt to derail someone's career for tweets from years ago.

So, you think that people can say what they want online, or in a public forum, and it should never be investigated? Do you think Andre Grays homophobic tweets were fine?

Not tweets from 9/10 years ago no, more important things to worry about than a teenager posting a misguided joke.

Andre Gray was 21/22 his tweets were maybe 3 years before he was punished by the he made homophobic comments. Do you think he was wrong to be punished? And is included in this cancel culture problem? Where is your line that racist or homophobic comments should be ignored?

Not sure if you manage anyone, but if soneone you managed flagged up racist or homophobic comments from another employee, would ignore them?

If it was during their time of employment then yes but not from before.

What about 1 month before someone started, they said similar to Andre Gray, about gays making him sick. You wouldn't have an issue if that was flagged after a few days of employment?

Again trying to find the line, when homophobia or racism doesn't bother you.  And do you think Andre Gray was wrongly punished for his comments?

Funny how the left ignore the overt racism, homophobia and sexism of figures they like to toss over lile Ghandi, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King bit they dont want them erased from history, but if JK Rowling says something totally reasonable (and factually correct) she is seen as a pariah who should never be heard of again and the miniscule number  of trans activists demand shes boycotted, and whats worse is companies gove into such idiotic demands.

[JAS]

There was that guy who made a racist joke, Andrew Lawrence, it killed his career. But, im sort of in agreement, I think people shoukd joke about anything, as long as ut doesn't cross over into hate speech. But, I'd guess racist comedians will have a very small audience

I think I may have mentioned before that I saw him at the Edinburgh festival a few years back, didn't have a clue who he was when we bought the tickets (it's part of the fun of the festival just booking randomly). Anyway, as he came on stage and started to speak I had a vague recollection of him on one of those panel shows. He started taking about how he'd been ostracised by the lefty comedy police for stuff that he'd apparently said. He was pretty open and honest "so I've been labelled racist, I don't give a fxxx, you can make up your own mind but you came here probably knowing that I'm labelled racist and offensive, if you cant handle that kind of stuff then you should be asking yourself why you're here". Then off he went tearing into pretty much every ethnic group, women, Irish etc, nothing was off limits. Was he overtly racist and hateful? No not at all. Was he funny? Most of the time, yes I thought so and judging by the laughs so did most others in the room. Was he controversial? yes of course he was, that the kind of comedy style he had? When it got really interesting was when 2-3 people started walking out, a couple walked out at some of the Irish stuff, then about 3 women in a row walked out when he was being to be fair a bit overly mysoginist. The best bit was a few seconds after that when a bloke then started walking out. "Aw fuksake, is that too much for you as well?" To which the bloke turned round and said "No Andy I think you're hilarious, but that bird that's just walked out before me...she's got the car keys".... Place was in absolute uproar.

[beninho]

I remember reading other comedians saying, he had been pushing things further and further to see what he could get away with, but what can be done at a gig, is generally different to saying sonething on twitter, about black players missing pens and not bring as good as white players and following it up with “I can see that this has offended a lot of people, and I’m sorry that black guys are bad at penalties.” it's just race baiting, especially when it was quite widely reported that racial abuse was being thrown around on social media.

[JAS]

I remember reading other comedians saying, he had been pushing things further and further to see what he could get away with, but what can be done at a gig, is generally different to saying sonething on twitter, about black players missing pens and not bring as good as white players and following it up with “I can see that this has offended a lot of people, and I’m sorry that black guys are bad at penalties.” it's just race baiting, especially when it was quite widely reported that racial abuse was being thrown around on social media.

Aye, I’m not sure where the line should be drawn to be honest, inside a comedy theatre IS different to out on the street and different again to Social Media. On the other side of the argument I’d also say that there’s a huge difference between baiting in an attempt at humour (funny or not) is hugely different from hateful incitement

[beninho]

Just a quick happy new year to you all!

Next year I want to get more then 4 games of golf in, so if anyone fancies it!

[I'm never wrong]

Next year I want to get more then 4 games of golf in, so if anyone fancies it!

More than happy to host you (and JAS, if he's able) again, although you will have to pay this time! Raffle wasn't held this year, so no freebie rounds on offer.

[incontinentia]

This Fitbit ad keeps appearing on my youtube. The tagline is "what's strong with me", and features various people... I'm not sure what the correct term is but there is a guy in a wheelchair doing gym exercises, a butch lady lifting weights, a black woman playing soccer etc. There is also a fairly overweight guy running a marathon. The intention is to show that fat people can run marathons like everyone else, but it just seems like an irresponsible message to be putting out- I imagine a 20 stone guy running a marathon would be taking great health risks in reality.
Can virtue-signalling advertisements by woke tech companies (who probably get their devices made by wage slaves in Asia) do more harm than good?

[dynamark]

Thanks Ben same to all at least the weather is pleasant for a few days. Sir Tony Blair-WTF ?

[beninho]

It's an advert don't over think it.

[JAS]

Happy New Year to you all, crikey did many of you make New Years resolutions not to post on V2?? Says somebody who took a few days break himself!!

[JAS]

Next year I want to get more then 4 games of golf in, so if anyone fancies it!

More than happy to host you (and JAS, if he's able) again, although you will have to pay this time! Raffle wasn't held this year, so no freebie rounds on offer.

Yes if you’re happy to host, especially at the moment if your course it not the quagmire ours is ;-)

[I'm never wrong]

Yes if you’re happy to host, especially at the moment if your course it not the quagmire ours is ;-)

Might have to rescind that offer JAS, as someone drove their car up and down the 13th fairway (not too bad) and over the 16th green (totally ruined). May take several months to repair. Members not happy.

[JAS]

Thanks Ben same to all at least the weather is pleasant for a few days. Sir Tony Blair-WTF ?

Mixed feelings on that one Dyna. Everybody remembers him and condemns him for that Iraq mistake. Was it a mistake? Yes and easy to say so with the benefit of hindsight. A lot of people spent last year calling Starmer Captain Hindsight. The year before that a lot of people condemned as a loony a politician who had consistently voted against the Iraq war.
All PMs will get the odd decision wrong, Blair was no different, in my retrospective opinion he got Iraq wrong, in my eyes he made a bigger error in not reintroducing any of the financial regulations swept away by Big Bang in the Thatcher/Reagan era. He had a thumping majority why didn’t he take that on?…he could at least have used it as a bargaining chip in return for supporting Bush. But he didn’t.Why? Because he believed in the whole imperialist neoliberal agenda. Not only that he was smart enough to get out before the whole banking debacle blew up in Browns face. They didn’t cause the crisis but they didn’t take action that could have at least mitigated the worst effects of it. It’s a strange dichotomy for left leaning folks, he was a highly successful electoral machine but in the end, apart from the GFA what else did he actually do that will stand the test of time to be revered by us ordinary Joes?

Incidentally do Americans castigate Bush for Iraq?

[JAS]

Yes if you’re happy to host, especially at the moment if your course it not the quagmire ours is ;-)

Might have to rescind that offer JAS, as someone drove their car up and down the 13th fairway (not too bad) and over the 16th green (totally ruined). May take several months to repair. Members not happy.

Absolute bell ends. Will it not just be a temp on 16 for a while?

[I'm never wrong]

Yes if you’re happy to host, especially at the moment if your course it not the quagmire ours is ;-)

Might have to rescind that offer JAS, as someone drove their car up and down the 13th fairway (not too bad) and over the 16th green (totally ruined). May take several months to repair. Members not happy.

Absolute bell ends. Will it not just be a temp on 16 for a while?

Yes about 20 yards short of the hole. But going back to your earlier post, my course suffers with being wet. The first three holes do not drain very well and are often closed. Looking clear for tomorrow - my first game for a couple of weeks - but it might be a bit frosty underfoot. I'll let you know how the course gets on and maybe a summer trip?

[JAS]

Yes if you’re happy to host, especially at the moment if your course it not the quagmire ours is ;-)

Might have to rescind that offer JAS, as someone drove their car up and down the 13th fairway (not too bad) and over the 16th green (totally ruined). May take several months to repair. Members not happy.

Absolute bell ends. Will it not just be a temp on 16 for a while?

Yes about 20 yards short of the hole. But going back to your earlier post, my course suffers with being wet. The first three holes do not drain very well and are often closed. Looking clear for tomorrow - my first game for a couple of weeks - but it might be a bit frosty underfoot.  I'll let you know how the course gets on and maybe a summer trip?

Yep sounds good INW, I'm just contenting myself at the moment with the range, the net in the back garden and the carpet. Might look at a wee links day out in the next month or so. Got a couple of comps on Links organised for March which is usually a good warm up for the season. I cant stand boggy :-p

[beninho]

I wonder how many people who are against cancel culture have signed a petition to stop Tony Blair get a knighthood.

[JuliusHMarx]

S_r should be back online now he's been acquitted -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-59727161

[beninho]

Love the people on social media showing that they don't understand the justice system. So e even shouting about setting a precedent.

[Duty281]

I wonder how many people who are against cancel culture have signed a petition to stop Tony Blair get a knighthood.

That's not an example of cancel culture.

[JuliusHMarx]

I wonder how many people who are against cancel culture have signed a petition to stop Tony Blair get a knighthood.

That's not an example of cancel culture.

Neither are most examples.

[Pal Joey]

Australia just cancelled Djoko and his whole flippin' entourage.

"How good is that!"

[JuliusHMarx]

Australia just cancelled Djoko and his whole flippin' entourage.

"How good is that!"

That's not an example of cancel culture

[Pal Joey]

Australia just cancelled Djoko and his whole flippin' entourage.

"How good is that!"

That's not an example of cancel culture

Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.

[beninho]

Novax Djokovic hey...

What an idiot.

[beninho]

Jenrick rambling on about undermining the rule of law, when what occurred was precisely the rule of law which is trial by jury. I thought it was all about civil liberties with thus lot.

[JAS]

Jenrick rambling on about undermining the rule of law, when what occurred was precisely the rule of law which is trial by jury.  I thought it was all about civil liberties with thus lot.

Yeah but civil liberties for them Ben not the rest of us :-p

With regard to undermining the rule of law, it's a bit rich for ANY member of this Government bleating on about undermining the rule of law when it wilfully and knowingly broke international law itself. Glass houses, stones, throwing etc

[JAS]

Australia just cancelled Djoko and his whole flippin' entourage.

"How good is that!"

That's not an example of cancel culture

Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.

With regard to Novak, yep I'd say well done to the Aussies....eventually sending the right message, even it it did so only after public outcry. The message really couldn't be clearer, Mr & Mrs average in countries the world over are actually sick to the back teeth of hypocrisy. If rules are imposed, rules are imposed, "we're all in this together" and NO-ONE should be using power, money or fame to bend and break them...simples.

[dynamark]

Hi all
Jock o vich is able to make a choice about vaccine but he needs to stick to the rules of any country he is in but medical records are confidential and he may well have a valid reason for exemption.Remember we have a cricket squad plus families out there now maybe one of them has an exemption
If I go into Leicester tomorrow and rip down a statue of some historic figure I really would expect to be breaking the law.There are ways of having things removed and if anything Bristol council were at fault for their inaction -it was criminal damage
The NHS under pressure?,I just had a beer with a mate who has had headaches for a few weeks since his booster.So blood tests eye tests etc and doc said well send you for a brain scan(they may not find one) but you are well down the list -it came through within 7 days would you believe?
And lastly an example of the young being slightly misguided his daughter age about 28 said that Keir Starmer has had covid 6 times and lots of footballers have had heart problems after having covid ??

[beninho]

Of course the national anthem should be played every night on all BBC channels and radio.

[JAS]

Of course the national anthem should be played every night on all BBC channels and radio.

Just out of complete curiosity and nothing else….when did they stop doing that? And what was the rationale?

[beninho]

I fo t ever recall it, and im 42. But tv just doesn't end, it's a 24 hour thing has been for a while.

[beninho]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lehYZQxD09U

They did it in 1990. Imagine tv going off at 10 oast 12!

[I'm never wrong]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lehYZQxD09U

They did it in 1990. Imagine tv going off at 10 oast 12!

Nobbut a lad. Imagine just three channels and you were your parents remote control

[beninho]

I see Nige Farage getting himself in a twist over people being in detention centres. I thought he was a big fan of countries having their own border controls.

[JAS]

I see Nige Farage getting himself in a twist over people being in detention centres. I thought he was a big fan of countries having their own border controls.

I do find Farage's choice of bandwagon jumping a bit odd. I see even Andy Murray had a subtle pop at him. The thing is if you leave the likes of Farage alone to open his mouth and spout tripe...sooner or later he'll trip himself up, make himself look like a dick or maybe even both of those things together.

[incontinentia]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lehYZQxD09U

They did it in 1990. Imagine tv going off at 10 oast 12!

Nobbut a lad. Imagine just three channels and you were your parents remote control

Here in Ireland our tv ended around midnight with "a prayer at bedtime". Then it would be the test card until around 9 the next morning.

[beninho]

These garden party get together are shoddy, but why has it taken 18months to leak. Is it now they want a change of leadership?

[JAS]

These garden party get together are shoddy, but why has it taken 18months to leak. Is it now they want a change of leadership?

In short, those who have an axe to grind now didn't have an axe to grind then.

Slightly longer theory...IMHO there are several things at play.
1. The Tories to their credit are an absolutely ruthless electoral winning machine, there will be a continual ongoing appraisal of their prospects of electoral success and an objective to leave absolutely nothing to chance, many of the current grandees will still be smarting about losing 3 times in a row against Blair. In historical context that was unprecedented. The Tories EXPECT to run the country in perpetuity, it's their privileged god given right...
2. Leaders no matter who they are accumulate resentment and enemies (whether through a rejected promotion, a fundamental disagreement etc) as their leadership lengthens.
3. If a leader starts going off-piste (other than being popular for having an odd bullish oafishness, was Johnson ever on-piste?), rank and file start getting jittery about their own survival.

Put those things together the rank and file and the grandees start looking a little bit closer and start listening to what the resentful and jilted have to say. Cummings is an obvious example but there will be others, some much less high profile and quiet publicly.

When all is said and done though I don't know what the panic would be about, Labour or anyone else for that matter are not exactly in a position to topple them and they certainly won't at the next election. Having said that I don't see Johnson fighting the election after next so maybe to change now when they could pin a blue rosette onto a dog and win in 2024 is what they're thinking.

[dynamark]

Agree you have to conclude that persons unknown are out to get BJ probably aided by Cummings.
Not seeing any obvious replacements though and it may be that BJs appeal to yer masses may be under estimated.If Corbyn and his gang start a new party it will further split the votes.
Bit stupid to say the least of any govt official to send out invites for after work drinks

[McLaren]

Jas

I have been saying this for years but the only thing you need to do in order to understand UK politics is to accept the English are very right wing and their priorities mostly revolve around looking to the past.

The current situation exemplifies this. The only thing that would have put pressure on the Tories to handle the pandemic more successfully would have been another mainstream right wing party. Pandemic handling is well down on the list of things the English think about when voting.

[Duty281]

Jas

I have been saying this for years but the only thing you need to do in order to understand UK politics is to accept the English are very right wing and their priorities mostly revolve around looking to the past.

The current situation exemplifies this. The only thing that would have put pressure on the Tories to handle the pandemic more successfully would have been another mainstream right wing party. Pandemic handling is well down on the list of things the English think about when voting.  

Compared to other countries on the continent, and in the States, this simply isn't true. The Tories, by the measures I dislike, are a centrist to centre-right party. They're not right-wing and neither is most of the country, or even a sizable minority.

The UK has also been one of the most socially liberal countries over the past 85 years or so, and there's been no great voter push back against this.

[superflyweight]

Jas

I have been saying this for years but the only thing you need to do in order to understand UK politics is to accept the English are very right wing and their priorities mostly revolve around looking to the past.

The current situation exemplifies this. The only thing that would have put pressure on the Tories to handle the pandemic more successfully would have been another mainstream right wing party. Pandemic handling is well down on the list of things the English think about when voting.  

That's just nonsense.

[McLaren]

Superfly

Word it how you want but the English are way further right than what the labour party offers. And therefore my argument holds.

[Mind the windows Tino.]

I see Nige Farage getting himself in a twist over people being in detention centres. I thought he was a big fan of countries having their own border controls.

I do find Farage's choice of bandwagon jumping a bit odd. I see even Andy Murray had a subtle pop at him. The thing is if you leave the likes of Farage alone to open his mouth and spout tripe...sooner or later he'll trip himself up, make himself look like a dick or maybe even both of those things together.

I met Nige outside a place called The Guinea Grill in Mayfair many summers ago. I talked to him for about 15 minutes as I was a commodities trader at the time and he had done the same thing pre politics.

I'd like to say he was an alright chap when not talking about politics but he was, in fact, a complete bell end.

[superflyweight]

Superfly

Word it how you want but the English are way further right than what the labour party offers. And therefore my argument holds.

They're not "very right wing".

[Soul Requiem]

Superfly

Word it how you want but the English are way further right than what the labour party offers. And therefore my argument holds.

Nonsense. The Tories are centre right and have been for near on three decades now hence those voting for them can't be very right wing.

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