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I am not sure anyone would fancy playing Uruguay at the moment!

Uruguay eventually made the two man advantage tell, and they finish the half by knocking over a sweet drop goal.

17-7 Uruguay at HT. A chance?

Uruguay playing out of their skins

They may well fade in the second half and Italy still likely to win but what an impact Uruguay have made on this WC. They deserve all the acolades coming their way.

It’s hardly a massive shock as the pundits are making out. Uruguay are only 5 places behind Italy in the rankings. Cards obviously giving them a hand too.

BigGee wrote:Uruguay playing out of their skins

They may well fade in the second half and Italy still likely to win but what an impact Uruguay have made on this WC. They deserve all the acolades coming their way.

In the previous RWC too. That win against Fiji was a fantastic achievement to watch.

Looked like the Italian player headbutted the Uruguayan arm, but it's enough for a Uruguay yellow.

TMO very keen to get involved.

Duty281 wrote:Looked like the Italian player headbutted the Uruguayan arm, but it's enough for a Uruguay yellow.

TMO very keen to get involved.

Yeah they are difficult but world rugby are saying it’s the act they are penalising and not the outcome. Players need to learn to bend at the waist and lower the height of their tackles

Italy starting to play as a team now and Uruguay fading a little.

Looks like the tide has turned

And suddenly 28-17 Italy

Italy looking a much better team now

Solid effort from Uruguay, but they, as many lesser teams do, faded in the second half.

France v Namibia tomorrow. France probably looking for a powerful response after last week's stutter, so wouldn't like to be in Namibia's shoes.

Great effort from Uruguay but unfortunately they could not sustain it just as Italy worked out hiw not to play like headless chickens.

If italy play like that second half performance, they will make France and NZ sing for their Pasta.

You do suspect they won't have enough in the tank though, but neither side should take them lightly.

tigertattie wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Looked like the Italian player headbutted the Uruguayan arm, but it's enough for a Uruguay yellow.

TMO very keen to get involved.

Yeah they are difficult but world rugby are saying it’s the act they are penalising and not the outcome. Players need to learn to bend at the waist and lower the height of their tackles

I still thought it was a harsh yellow, there's no real force in the tackle as the Italian falls into him and the falling motion take the head to the shoulder. Considering some that haven't been deemed to be a penalty he's a bit unlucky.

Agree though, players really should be practicing getting lower as the enter the potential tackle zone. Can't afford to bend last minute anymore.

Duty281 wrote:Solid effort from Uruguay, but they, as many lesser teams do, faded in the second half.

France v Namibia tomorrow. France probably looking for a powerful response after last week's stutter, so wouldn't like to be in Namibia's shoes.

I picked France by 65 in Superbru....

Uruguay are a really great team to watch and I hope they can develop further. I have enjoyed watching them just as much as the last world cup. The try in the corner before half time was one of my favourites of the tournament so far. A really well worked piece of play and silky finish. The drop goal before half time as well. Outstanding.

Good to see Uruguay so competitive. As others have mentioned the lack of too game experience and conditioning inevitably leads to a 2nd half drop in intensity. Still they've shown they can mix it with a good Italy team.

I wonder if we'll ever see a proper America's tournament as that's one of the last untapped potentials in the global game. USA and Canada not taking a step up hasn't helped things.

Argentina, USA, Canada, Uruguay, Chile 

Argentina would likely win every game for the first several years mind you!

RDW wrote:Good to see Uruguay so competitive. As others have mentioned the lack of too game experience and conditioning inevitably leads to a 2nd half drop in intensity. Still they've shown they can mix it with a good Italy team.

I wonder if we'll ever see a proper America's tournament as that's one of the last untapped potentials in the global game. USA and Canada not taking a step up hasn't helped things.

Argentina, USA, Canada, Uruguay, Chile 

Argentina would likely win every game for the first several years mind you!

Be a great opportunity for Argentina to bring through their younger guys, maybe concentrate on the ones not in Europe already. Might have to rotate a few senior guys through for leadership etc.

You'd hope World Rugby will keep pushing the game over there on the back of a decent showing from the likes of Uruguay and Chile.

Australian wing/fullback Max Jorgensen is out of the World Cup after fracturing his leg in training.

Jones now has the option of a Hail Mary call-up of one of the experienced players he left out. Michael Hooper probably has too far to fly, and may still be carrying an injury. Quade Cooper could also be too far away. Still, Bernard Foley and James O'Connor are both apparently in Europe, and there are other Australians with the Baa-Baas.

Jones' bad luck with training injuries appears to have followed him from England to the Wallabies.

Rugby Fan wrote:Australian wing/fullback Max Jorgensen is out of the World Cup after fracturing his leg in training.

Jones now has the option of a Hail Mary call-up of one of the experienced players he left out. Michael Hooper probably has too far to fly, and may still be carrying an injury. Quade Cooper could also be too far away. Still, Bernard Foley and James O'Connor are both apparently in Europe, and there are other Australians with the Baa-Baas.

Jones' bad luck with training injuries appears to have followed him from England to the Wallabies.

Bernard Foley actually flew to France of his own volition apparently at the start of the world cup and has been staying in Marseilles or Nice awaiting a call up.

Not sure the injuries are down to bad luck. Honestly Id be very surprised if a top side wanted Eddie Jones again after his stints with England and Australia.

Collapse2005 wrote:

Rugby Fan wrote:Australian wing/fullback Max Jorgensen is out of the World Cup after fracturing his leg in training.

Jones now has the option of a Hail Mary call-up of one of the experienced players he left out. Michael Hooper probably has too far to fly, and may still be carrying an injury. Quade Cooper could also be too far away. Still, Bernard Foley and James O'Connor are both apparently in Europe, and there are other Australians with the Baa-Baas.

Jones' bad luck with training injuries appears to have followed him from England to the Wallabies.

Bernard Foley actually flew to France of his own volition apparently at the start of the world cup and has been staying in Marseilles or Nice awaiting a call up.

Not sure the injuries are down to bad luck. Honestly Id be very surprised if a top side wanted Eddie Jones again after his stints with England and Australia.

Watching the Fiji game I did feel that Australia showed similar traits to England under Jones.

lostinwales wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

Rugby Fan wrote:Australian wing/fullback Max Jorgensen is out of the World Cup after fracturing his leg in training.

Jones now has the option of a Hail Mary call-up of one of the experienced players he left out. Michael Hooper probably has too far to fly, and may still be carrying an injury. Quade Cooper could also be too far away. Still, Bernard Foley and James O'Connor are both apparently in Europe, and there are other Australians with the Baa-Baas.

Jones' bad luck with training injuries appears to have followed him from England to the Wallabies.

Bernard Foley actually flew to France of his own volition apparently at the start of the world cup and has been staying in Marseilles or Nice awaiting a call up.

Not sure the injuries are down to bad luck. Honestly Id be very surprised if a top side wanted Eddie Jones again after his stints with England and Australia.

Watching the Fiji game I did feel that Australia showed similar traits to England under Jones.

Losing?

doctor_grey wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

Rugby Fan wrote:Australian wing/fullback Max Jorgensen is out of the World Cup after fracturing his leg in training.

Jones now has the option of a Hail Mary call-up of one of the experienced players he left out. Michael Hooper probably has too far to fly, and may still be carrying an injury. Quade Cooper could also be too far away. Still, Bernard Foley and James O'Connor are both apparently in Europe, and there are other Australians with the Baa-Baas.

Jones' bad luck with training injuries appears to have followed him from England to the Wallabies.

Bernard Foley actually flew to France of his own volition apparently at the start of the world cup and has been staying in Marseilles or Nice awaiting a call up.

Not sure the injuries are down to bad luck. Honestly Id be very surprised if a top side wanted Eddie Jones again after his stints with England and Australia.

Watching the Fiji game I did feel that Australia showed similar traits to England under Jones.

Losing?

Well ofc - but was thinking more about the lack of intelligence and aimless kicking. The kind of effort to show that at least you tried instead of actually doing something useful.

doctor_grey wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Solid effort from Uruguay, but they, as many lesser teams do, faded in the second half.

France v Namibia tomorrow. France probably looking for a powerful response after last week's stutter, so wouldn't like to be in Namibia's shoes.

I picked France by 65 in Superbru....

I went for 70, but hope Namibia can get a couple of tries on the board. Or even one!

Duty281 wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Solid effort from Uruguay, but they, as many lesser teams do, faded in the second half.

France v Namibia tomorrow. France probably looking for a powerful response after last week's stutter, so wouldn't like to be in Namibia's shoes.

I picked France by 65 in Superbru....

I went for 70, but hope Namibia can get a couple of tries on the board. Or even one!

That is not a French 2nd team that's for sure

That 3rd try made me dizzy!

Watching France tonight - they are going to take some beating!

France have just turned up to score a truckload and blot out the discontent from the Uruguay game. Poor Namibia. It's already hard for them because this is their 3rd game in 13 days, having previously taken on Italy and NZ. No respite.

Comeback starts now!

Or maybe not!

RC all day long!

Hopefully for the tournament, Dupont is not injured or concussed

BigGee wrote:Hopefully for the tournament, Dupont is not injured or concussed

Yeah he didn't look comfortable. Hopefully it's just a bit of bruising and not a broken cheek or concussion. Dupont has looked magic this evening.

With all due respect to Matthew Carley, if you are playing an advantage and the team are roughly 10-15 metres behind where the knock on happened, there is no advantage there

Thats Poopie for Dupont, straight to hospital. Hope its not serious.

Namibia did well to keep it below 100. Will massively suck for France if Dupont is out of the tournament, as is beginning to look likely.

Argentina-Samoa tomorrow should be a lot more interesting. Long time for Argentina to ponder that defeat to England.

Im sure Argentina will be much better, I wouldnt be writing them off yet

There is still almost 5 weeks between now and the final. I don't know how the recovery time scale with the likely injury but I am assuming it is not impossible that Dupont could be back before then.

lostinwales wrote:There is still almost 5 weeks between now and the final. I don't know how the recovery time scale with the likely injury but I am assuming it is not impossible that Dupont could be back before then.

Didn't watch the game, was at work. What is Dupont's injury, did they say?

doctor_grey wrote:

lostinwales wrote:There is still almost 5 weeks between now and the final. I don't know how the recovery time scale with the likely injury but I am assuming it is not impossible that Dupont could be back before then.

Didn't watch the game, was at work.  What is Dupont's injury, did they say?  

Didn't watch either, but a Namibian got sent off for a tackle which involved his head hitting Dupont's cheek, with Dupont being sent to hospital afterwards.Assuming no concussion (and yes that is a big assumption) I'd guess the worst case would be a fractured cheek bone

lostinwales wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

lostinwales wrote:There is still almost 5 weeks between now and the final. I don't know how the recovery time scale with the likely injury but I am assuming it is not impossible that Dupont could be back before then.

Didn't watch the game, was at work.  What is Dupont's injury, did they say?  

Didn't watch either, but a Namibian got sent off for a tackle which involved his head hitting Dupont's cheek, with Dupont being sent to hospital afterwards.Assuming no concussion (and yes that is a big assumption) I'd guess the worst case would be a fractured cheek bone

Fractured jaw is the other possibility being mentioned.

Jamie Roberts said before the tournament that he didn’t think France would win it because they were too vulnerable to an injury to Dupont or Aldritt. It will be a real shame if he turns out to be right. Recovery time for a broken jaw that doesn’t need surgery is 4-6 weeks, apparently,

Pools A & B always looked like being a war of attrition, but what’s interesting is that it seems to be hitting France and South Africa so far while Ireland and NZ seem relatively intact. I’ll go so far as to say that I don’t think the Boks can win it - partly because of their injury list but also because they’ve only ever won the RWC when their QF opponent was a Tier 2 team, which won’t be the case this time around. The question is whether their game against Ireland will result in injuries for either side.

French twitter thinks Dupont has a fracture which doesn't require surgery but will mean he won't return, until the earliest, for the semi-finals. Not sure how much store to put by that speculation. We'll know for sure soon enough.

https://twitter.com/Gilbs93/status/1705064462900727894

Poorfour wrote:Jamie Roberts said before the tournament that he didn’t think France would win it because they were too vulnerable to an injury to Dupont or Aldritt. It will be a real shame if he turns out to be right. Recovery time for a broken jaw that doesn’t need surgery is 4-6 weeks, apparently,

Pools A & B always looked like being a war of attrition, but what’s interesting is that it seems to be hitting France and South Africa so far while Ireland and NZ seem relatively intact. I’ll go so far as to say that I don’t think the Boks can win it - partly because of their injury list but also because they’ve only ever won the RWC when their QF opponent was a Tier 2 team, which won’t be the case this time around. The question is whether their game against Ireland will result in injuries for either side.

Surely that is only an interesting coincidence, like that one about how every game at the RWC where there is no tries ends up 15-9 or something, and Ireland never getting past the QF

The winner must surely come from Ireland, France or SA on pre tournament form

Dupont. Seems to be confirmation that he has a fractured jaw but he's staying with the squad for now.

If France make it to the final I think they'll win, even if they're up against SA. Hard to predict what Ireland will do at the moment, and as Rassie says it is their bogey competition after all!

Dupont's injury is being called a maxillo-zygomatic fracture. Not sure if that's the same as a zygomaticomaxillary fracture, for which there are more English google entries.

It's the lower part of the cheekbone in laymans terms.

If it us a stable fracture, if should not require surgery.

You would imagine the best max-fax surgeon jn France is on his way to review the scans even as we speak!

4-8 weeks Google suggests as a recovery period. I'd expect him to remain with the squad in the hope he can return later in the tournament. The other two French 9s are both pretty excellent so can cover until he returns.

France only have one game in the next two weeks, Vs Italy so do have some time to get all the medical specialists in and make a decision.

I don’t think they’ll call in another player as DuPont is such a special player and key to how France play.

He could feasibly be back for the semis (if he is out) and their current 9 cover should be fine.

Id say Dupont might wear face protection and play in the quarters even if he has a broken jaw. The guy is such a machine I wouldnt be surprised.

neilthom7 wrote:With all due respect to Matthew Carley, if you are playing an advantage and the team are roughly 10-15 metres behind where the knock on happened, there is no advantage there

The advantage rule for knock ons and technical infringements is "did the team get clean ball to play?". If they have a clean ruck and can play it away, that is usually enough to satisfy the advantage, even if they then get battered backwards. The logic is that the restart would be via a scrum, which will generally give the scrum half a clean pass away but what happens after that is past the restart point.

For penalty offences, now that teams get the throw in from a penalty kicked to touch, they generally need to get significant territorial advantage AND retain possession to satisfy the advantage, which is why we see much longer advantages for penalties.

I am gutted for Dupont.  France are my tournament favourites in both senses, but they really do seem to be getting some unfortunate and key injuries.  And as good as the replacement 9s are, they aren't as good as Dupont - I really hope he's back soon.