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Post by Rugby Fan Mon 09 Oct 2023, 1:48 pm

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England: 15. Marcus Smith 14. Jonny May  13. Joe Marchant  12. Manu Tuilagi  11. Elliot Daly 10. Owen Farrell (c)9. Alex Mitchell 1. Ellis Genge 2. Jamie George 3. Dan Cole 4. Maro Itoje 5. Ollie Chessum 6. Courtney Lawes 7. Tom Curry 8. Ben Earl

Replacements: 16. Theo Dan  17. Joe Marler  18. Kyle Sinckler 19. George Martin  20. Billy Vunipola  21. Danny Care  22. George Ford  23. Ollie Lawrence  

Fiji: 1. Eroni Mawi 2. Tevita Ikanivere 3. Luke Tagi 4. Isoa Nasilasila 5. Albert Tuisue 6. Lekima Tagitagivalu 7. Levani Botia 8. Viliame Mata 9. Frank Lomani 10. Vilimoni Botitu 11. Semi Radradra 12. Josua Tuisova 13. Waisea Nayacalevu (c) 14. Vinaya Habosi 15. Ilaisa Droasese

Replacements: 16. Samuel Matavesi 17. Peni Ravai 18. Mesake Doge 19. Meli Derenalagi 20. Vilive Miramira 21. Simione Kuruvoli 22. Iosefo Masi 23. Sireli Maqala

Referee: Mathieu Raynal TMO: Ben Whitehouse

Assistant referees: Nic Berry (Australia) and Pierre Broussett (France)


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Post by king_carlos Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:34 pm

Itoje with the sack again there. He's wrecking Fiji's lineout at the moment.

That's what Tuisova can do though. He can break the gain line without needing much momentum first.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:34 pm

Fiji looked fairly rattled, but that try has put them back within 5.

Stays yellow, as expected.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:35 pm

Heaf wrote:Was in both team's way and it was Fiji's fault there was an injured player there in the first place ... don't think they can have an argument against that
Strange justification. The play needs to be stopped for the players and medical staff's safety. End of.

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:36 pm

So the YC remains a YC, correct due to mitigation of Smith's change of direction.

I thought Farrell was a bit of ^%&* there by laughing at the ref when he explained the mitigation.

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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:37 pm

Miles forwards

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Post by king_carlos Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:38 pm

It wasn't Tuisova with the initial break and offload, sorry. Only just got half a replay.

Ooooftt. This RWC is the first time I've seen Bill Mata playing like this in a while. His peak early on with Edinburgh was insane. Playing like a world class forward and Sevens player rolled into one.

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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:38 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Heaf wrote:Was in both team's way and it was Fiji's fault there was an injured player there in the first place ... don't think they can have an argument against that
Strange justification. The play needs to be stopped for the players and medical staff's safety. End of.

Not saying it was right - but your comment was more about Fiji being hard done by when they weren't ...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:40 pm

Really like Mitchell, box kicking is mostly spot on too

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Post by tigertattie Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:43 pm

Ben Earl comes across as a bit of a five knuckle shuffle
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Post by Duty281 Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:43 pm

Solid goalkicking from Farrell thus far.

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Post by mountain man Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:49 pm

Curry so far more of a liability than asset.
England so far so good. Taking points on offer, Itoje having good game.

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Post by TJ Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:49 pm

Curry a very lucky boy to stay on. the no arms tackle and at least one head high tackle. Farrell is continuing with his upright tackles as well

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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:50 pm

Strange by Raynal - tells the Fiji SH not to feed the scrum crooked at the next stoppage - why not free kick him at the time?

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Post by lostinwales Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:53 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Get Curry off, he's a ticking time-bomb

Penalties are not good but Curry is a major reason Fiji hasn't been getting many yards.

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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:53 pm

TJ wrote:Curry a very lucky boy to stay on.  the no arms tackle and at least one head high tackle.  Farrell is continuing with his upright tackles as well

Nothing worthy of a yellow though ...

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Post by king_carlos Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:54 pm

Farrell's had a strong game in general. Kicking from hand has been really good, goal kicking solid and picking options well from 10.

Itoje has been excellent too. Genge and Earl prevalent. Mitchell recovered very well from last weeks shocker to do his role well.

A ton of lineouts so far. 8 on England's throw, 9 on Fiji's according to ESPN. Fiji have won 8/9 but generally cut numbers and thrown to marked areas so haven't had a platform from it. Whereas England have got their maul rumbling a few times.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:55 pm

Nice of the Scottish lads to get involved in the knockout stages.

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Post by lostinwales Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:56 pm

Not sure all of Fiji's line outs have been straight

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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:58 pm

England have managed to not go to sleep after 15 mins - let's hope they can continue to improve in the 2nd half as well ...

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Post by king_carlos Sun 15 Oct 2023, 4:59 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Get Curry off, he's a ticking time-bomb

Penalties are not good but Curry is a major reason Fiji hasn't been getting many yards.
My feeling too. 9 tackles completed and 2 missed. He's leading the line speed close to the ruck and making hits behind the gain line.

The no arms was a dismal position to get into and definitely a penalty. I don't think we've had a replay of the potential high shot?

It does feel like part of Curry's role is in a way playing with fire. Against Samoa he was the only player regularly competing jackals. Most the side weren't jackaling unless it was an obvious unsupported player and in our own 22. Whereas Curry was contesting everything near him hard to force Samoa to commit attackers to rucks to secure the ball without England committing many defenders. Here he is seemingly being used to fly up and try to make dominant hits.

It doesn't excuse penalties or getting too low to wrap of course. But it does feel he's being used in higher risk roles.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:04 pm

Farrell in trouble...? No!


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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:05 pm

Surely his foot was in touch when he scooped that back?

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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:07 pm

Apparently you're allowed to collapse mauls and go in the side now?

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Post by king_carlos Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:09 pm

I mean, his hands are definitely on the floor, but we've seen dodgier jackals than that awarded already tonight so I can understand Botia being a bit frustrated with that.

Likewise it looked like that maul got dragged down so I can understand England's frustration even if Genge's ensuing penalty is dumb.

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Post by king_carlos Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:09 pm

I mean, his hands are definitely on the floor, but we've seen dodgier jackals than that awarded already tonight so I can understand Botia being a bit frustrated with that.

Likewise it looked like that maul got dragged down so I can understand England's frustration even if Genge's ensuing penalty is dumb.

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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:11 pm

Raynal is letting them get away with murder at the mauls

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:12 pm

Amazing from Lawes again

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Post by Scottrf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:12 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Amazing from Lawes again
Yeah although hands on the floor.

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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:13 pm

It's the wid west out there - officials very sloppy

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:13 pm

Genge has had a big second half bar the bit of sportsmanship pen.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:14 pm

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Sgt_Pooly wrote:Amazing from Lawes again
Yeah although hands on the floor.

Ball was out???

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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:14 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Genge has had a big second half bar the bit of sportsmanship pen.

Looked like he took one in the face for his troubles - surprised not looked at ...

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Post by king_carlos Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:15 pm

Genge has had a big game to be fair. Carrying really well and being used alongside Curry to line up against their big carriers on shortened Fiji lineouts.

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Post by Scottrf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:15 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Amazing from Lawes again
Yeah although hands on the floor.

Ball was out???
Was it? My bad!

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:15 pm

Heaf wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Genge has had a big second half bar the bit of sportsmanship pen.

Looked like he took one in the face for his troubles - surprised not looked at ...

He did get a slap. Which was what he was looking for.

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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:19 pm

Why did they reverse the line out throw in?

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Post by king_carlos Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:20 pm

Daly has had a good game on the wing. He's a really smart chaser in terms of when to contest or not. He's nailing his positioning. He's also done well to get out of tricky positions with his footwork when needed.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:22 pm

The breakdown is an absolute mess.

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Post by bsando Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:22 pm

Raynal is such a loose ref

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Post by doctor_grey Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:23 pm

Still, ya think Curry needs a rest and some valium, not necessarily in that order?

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Post by bsando Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:23 pm

I'm not even saying England or Fiji are getting an advantage, it's just very inconsistent for both sides.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:23 pm

Raynal is hopeless. Never has any control and that feeds into the game.

Fiji getting very frustrated out there.

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Post by king_carlos Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:26 pm

bsando wrote:I'm not even saying England or Fiji are getting an advantage, it's just very inconsistent for both sides.
It's a bit all over the shop. The Botia penalty for hands on the floor sums it up. His hands clearly on the floor but jackals with even clearer infringements have been rewarded in the match.

Lawes has showed his experience by adjusting to that and contesting jackals everywhere as he's more likely to get them. Usually in this England defensive setup Lawes has only attacked breakdowns hard near his own line.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:27 pm

Crowd problem?

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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:27 pm

Got to stop giving away soft pens ...

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Post by king_carlos Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:28 pm

England have given penalties for crossing at the lineout like that a few times under Borthwick. It's very annoying.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:29 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:Crowd problem?

https://twitter.com/GoodBadRugby/status/1713589401194811467

French?

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Post by Duty281 Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:29 pm

Fiji not going away. 7 point game with just over 15 left.

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Post by Heaf Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:30 pm

And the result - in a position to attack and end up conceding a try ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 15 Oct 2023, 5:31 pm

I don't think Smith will want to play at full back anymore.

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