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Astonishing win in terms of margin. I was surprised that the ex-Labour candidate polled as low as 8%, but I guess word spread about his removal and he was viewed, effectively, as another independent.
Even if he wasn't removed, I think Galloway still wins, so it was a stroke of luck for Starmer in that he can ignore this defeat.
I thought Galloway would be out when the GE rolls around; now I'm not 100% sure. The issue of Gaza is hurting Labour amongst its once almost guaranteed Muslim vote.
I think this result shows that an Islamic party, if led by a brilliant campaigner, is a very viable option for the future. They could stand in areas where the Muslim population is relatively high and maybe win a couple of dozen seats at a GE, being similar to the SNP in terms of insurgency.
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navyblueshorts wrote:Yeah. Baffles me equally that, given his actual importance, he gets as much airtime as he does.Pr4wn wrote:GSC wrote:https://x.com/bmay/status/1813811772660629877?t=9u2OFlleerXaAzriL9pt3A&s=19
It baffles me that some people take this idiot seriously.
In fairness his Company just got the third most votes in the Election........He is the reason Britain is out of Europe.....
Argument to be made he is the most formidable politician of his generation...
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First little rebellion from Labour quashed very firmly by Starmer. Seven MPs lose the whip for six months after voting to scrap the two child benefit cap.
Many Labour voters disappointed with the realisation that Starmer and Sunak are the same, just with a different coloured tie.
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Many Labour voters glad that Starmer actually did what he said he'd do to seven MPs who'd campaigned on Labour's manifesto that said this cap wouldn't be reviewed immediately etc. They thought they were being clever, and thought Starmer wouldn't dare cast them out. Whoops....Duty281 wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c978m6z3egno
First little rebellion from Labour quashed very firmly by Starmer. Seven MPs lose the whip for six months after voting to scrap the two child benefit cap.
Many Labour voters disappointed with the realisation that Starmer and Sunak are the same, just with a different coloured tie.
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Daresay voters will be more reassured politicians are actually doing what they said they would than a handful of old Corbyn loyalists
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The funny part is none of the candidates can really admit why they got obliterated, a lack of competence and rampant corruption. So we get nonsense like "we weren't conservative enough!"
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dummy_half wrote:Samo wrote:She'll officially defect to Reform before theyearsummermonth is out .
Fixed for you. Hopefully the first step in her shuffling off to obscurity.
Fixed for you.
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JuliusHMarx wrote:dummy_half wrote:Samo wrote:She'll officially defect to Reform before theyearsummermonth is out .
Fixed for you. Hopefully the first step in her shuffling off to obscurity.
Fixed for you.
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What a clown.
"Now is a moment for national reflection and solidarity, to pull back from the wave of violence we have seen, to call it out for what it is, without fear or favour - and for Parliament to speak with one voice in condemnation," Patel writes.
"We either believe in the rule of law, or we do not. That is why Parliament must be recalled immediately," she adds.
This, a former Home Secretary of the failed previous Government, that spent almost all its tenure stoking division, failing to provide a viable route for asylum seekers while acting like some tinpot bunch of fascists, that actually broke the law she bangs on about re. proroguing Parliament etc.
Performative hypocrite.
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Samo wrote:Its refreshing to see a PM condemn and call out the far-right violence for what it is, rather than pander to them.
Well I'm pretty sure Sunak or any of the others previously would have done similar? Why do you think a PM wouldn't, regardless of party?
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GSC wrote:Shame that the perpetrators are too thick to realise that yaxley, Farage etc have 0 intention of sharing in the consequences of this. That won't sink in until they get their sentence however
Don't think it will ever sink in - you've got people with Nazi tattoos doing Nazi salutes claiming they want "their England back" - these people haven't had a semblance of a coherent thought in their lives.
Shameful shameful scenes over the weekend. Hope the police manage to get a handle on things before something truly horrendous happens.
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Duty281 wrote:Just a little taste of what's to come, ultimately. We're on a very dark trajectory without the political leadership to tackle it.
You voted for a company owned by one of the major pushers of the kind of rhetoric thats caused this. Frak off with your faux outrage.
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mountain man wrote:Samo wrote:Its refreshing to see a PM condemn and call out the far-right violence for what it is, rather than pander to them.
Well I'm pretty sure Sunak or any of the others previously would have done similar? Why do you think a PM wouldn't, regardless of party?
Im sure they would have condemned it, but I doubt they would have pointed out that its the far-right causing this.
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Communities being left behind economically. The loss of industry. Mass immigration that few wanted. Resources and infrastructure that fail to keep up with population growth from immigration. An asylum system with few checks or balances that causes an uptick in violent crime, and it throws billions away (billions that maybe our impoverished communities could do with). Cultural disputes and clashes. A weak, overburdened justice system, with severe cuts to policing. Two tier policing.
I get it's easier and simpler to blame the person who tells you the thunderstorm is coming, but it won't prevent the downpour.
Up to Starmer to lead, or we'll get a far-right government in the 2030s (actual far-right, by the way, people who will make Farage look like a country gent offering you tea and scones).
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Rhetoric is why the rioters are targeting mosques and hotels housing asylum seekers. Their anger is being directed at the innocent people who have been demonized for years by the likes of Farage. People who have done nothing wrong. And you voted for it.
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It's a crap situation where some locals with what they see as a legitimate protest about migrants getting all resources put their way whereas they as locals cannot access dentists etc but now all lumped together as far right violent thugs.
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mountain man wrote:From what I was hearing on Radio 4 news at lunchtime there were peaceful protests going on about immigrants being put up in hotels etc and this then escalated into a violent riot situation when a load of far right activists turned up. The original protesters condemned the appalling scenes of violence and they are now saying everyone involved is being labelled as far right thugs etc.
It's a crap situation where some locals with what they see as a legitimate protest about migrants getting all resources put their way whereas they as locals cannot access dentists etc but now all lumped together as far right violent thugs.
A parallel would be the way peaceful Pro-Palestine protestors all get lumped in as Hamas supporters.
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So? Precisely none of this is to do with the people targeted by this fascist bollox. Straw Man, and not a very good one.Duty281 wrote:'Rhetoric' didn't cause this. It's not that simple, otherwise it would be a very easy fix.
Communities being left behind economically. The loss of industry. Mass immigration that few wanted. Resources and infrastructure that fail to keep up with population growth from immigration. An asylum system with few checks or balances that causes an uptick in violent crime, and it throws billions away (billions that maybe our impoverished communities could do with). Cultural disputes and clashes. A weak, overburdened justice system, with severe cuts to policing. Two tier policing.
I get it's easier and simpler to blame the person who tells you the thunderstorm is coming, but it won't prevent the downpour.
Up to Starmer to lead, or we'll get a far-right government in the 2030s (actual far-right, by the way, people who will make Farage look like a country gent offering you tea and scones).
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Yep. Amazing what happens when you take the grifting c***s out of the equation. Yes, I mean you, Farage, Yaxley-Lennon, Bannon, Trump, Salvini, Orbán, Abascal, Netanyahu etc etc, the sh!tty (anti)social media companies such as Facebook etc and all that dark money....JuliusHMarx wrote:Hope - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jjv7kp1wo
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A parallel would be the way peaceful Pro-Palestine protestors all get lumped in as Hamas supporters.
And maybe if Jewish or a supporter of Israel then lumped in as a supporter of indescriminate bombing of Gaza etc.
For sake of clarity I'm not Jewish or a Muslim.
Just being even handed.
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navyblueshorts wrote:So? Precisely none of this is to do with the people targeted by this fascist bollox. Straw Man, and not a very good one.Duty281 wrote:'Rhetoric' didn't cause this. It's not that simple, otherwise it would be a very easy fix.
Communities being left behind economically. The loss of industry. Mass immigration that few wanted. Resources and infrastructure that fail to keep up with population growth from immigration. An asylum system with few checks or balances that causes an uptick in violent crime, and it throws billions away (billions that maybe our impoverished communities could do with). Cultural disputes and clashes. A weak, overburdened justice system, with severe cuts to policing. Two tier policing.
I get it's easier and simpler to blame the person who tells you the thunderstorm is coming, but it won't prevent the downpour.
Up to Starmer to lead, or we'll get a far-right government in the 2030s (actual far-right, by the way, people who will make Farage look like a country gent offering you tea and scones).
I agree. The issue is with successive government failures that have led us to this tinderbox.
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Duty281 wrote:navyblueshorts wrote:So? Precisely none of this is to do with the people targeted by this fascist bollox. Straw Man, and not a very good one.Duty281 wrote:'Rhetoric' didn't cause this. It's not that simple, otherwise it would be a very easy fix.
Communities being left behind economically. The loss of industry. Mass immigration that few wanted. Resources and infrastructure that fail to keep up with population growth from immigration. An asylum system with few checks or balances that causes an uptick in violent crime, and it throws billions away (billions that maybe our impoverished communities could do with). Cultural disputes and clashes. A weak, overburdened justice system, with severe cuts to policing. Two tier policing.
I get it's easier and simpler to blame the person who tells you the thunderstorm is coming, but it won't prevent the downpour.
Up to Starmer to lead, or we'll get a far-right government in the 2030s (actual far-right, by the way, people who will make Farage look like a country gent offering you tea and scones).
I agree. The issue is with successive government failures that have led us to this tinderbox.
Years of people like Farage and Little Tommy 10 Names pushing anti-immigration and anti-Muslim rhetoric for years have led to this point.
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Years of people like Farage and Little Tommy 10 Names pushing anti-immigration and anti-Muslim rhetoric for years have led to this point.
No it's more than them, there are a lot of people in UK who think immigration be it legal or not is out of control. The vast majority appear to be decent people who just have concerns about so many resources being put to them. What happens is the far right organise themselves to join peaceful protests and spark violence and riots.
The fact Reform won 5 seats with millions of votes shows it can't just be right wing nutters who voted for them.
As for Tommy Robinson or Yardley Lennon I think his real name is, he's apparently hiding in Cyprus(?) so not sure what impact he is having although quite likely to be stirring it up online etc.
Just saying it's Farage and a few others too simplistic. I used to work with some decent, not racist entirely balanced individuals and they had legitimate concerns about immigration which no government has ever offered any solutions to.
The problem for many is if they even hint at concerns on immigration they are immediately labelled an anti Muslim or racist which is not the case.
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I dont think anyone is a racist just for having concerns about immigration, but if your concerns are based on things like “theres too many Muslims here” then that is a bit racist, at the very least its bigoted and xenophobic. However, you can certainly make an argument that people should have done better to explain why that thinking is wrong.
Its also worth highlighting once again that the targets of a majority of these “protests” are mosques and hotels housing asylum seekers. Now, if you’re angry about the state of infrastructure in this country then maybe the best place to protest is a mosque. Maybe the best way to protest is to stand infront of riot police shouting “pakis out!” But its probably not, which is why I dont buy the argument that this is about systemic and societal issues.
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Just to be clear, I hardly ever go to McDonalds... so no vested interest but I believe people have a right to have a safe space to eat a Big Mac, suck on a shake... and finger some fries.
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I see it's now kicked off in Plymouth and Belfast. Touring the whole of UK it seems.
I never understand why they attack the police especially as supposedly the police are institutionally racist so you'd think they'd all be on the same side.*
*yes a sick joke.
However, why they turn their anger on police seems ridiculous but I guess they are just an obvious authority target in their way.
No doubt should these protesters have their houses broken into whilst they are out rioting the first people they would call would ironically be the police.
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The security guard with me decided immediately it wasn’t safe for us - it was clear we weren’t welcome - but there wasn’t a safe place for us to go for miles.
Cars followed us, we had abuse shouted at us and at one point a group of around 6 men ran after us down a road with what looked like a weapon.
We were forced to run." Fraser Knight, LBC.
Why would Nigel do this?
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Great work for his constituents, though. Seems like a top bloke. Would love to have a pint with him, etc.
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Nice of him to show his workings.
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Gonna be a rude awakening for some that these guys really never had any intention of being in the trenches with them. Nothing more than useful idiots
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Seems they are well organised as apparently no-one turned up so word must have spread fast. Lots of police etc and counter protests but no rioters etc.
Considering the riots went on for over a week every day/night then a sudden halt seems slightly odd. The severity of penalties handed out must make even the most hardened protester think twice.
Hopefully this continues for everyone who causes trouble, regardless of "side" they are on.
Likes of Elon Musk stirring it up, saying Britain heading for civil war isn't exactly helping either. He makes outrageous remarks on X(Twitter) which 100s of millions will see which helps his site get hits and revenue but for some might actually make think it's going to happen.
However, world wide there is unease and unrest. Taylor Swift has cancelled concerts in Vienna due to threat of attacks there by Islamist extremists. This all gets reported as it should but will only fuel anti Muslim feelings among some.
Unfortunately I don't see any end to unrest etc just yet.
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