Mayweather's tarnished legacy

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He has a fine win over Corrales - a fight many predicted he would lose.

He then lost to Castillo but got the gift decision.

His record then reads Gatti & Baldomir lol.

He made an overrated Hatton move up to 147.

He got a SD over De La Hoya.

He cheated Marquez with another catchweight sham and made him move up TWO weight divisions.

And then beat an old Mosley.

A tarnished legacy for a fighter who could have achieved so much more.

What journalists and pundits specifically, personally have never seen Calzaghe rated above the likes of Lewis, Wilde, Buchanan, Welsh and Driscoll

Judah was such a shameful fight he was rated higher at Welterweight at the time than either Cotto or Margarito just like Gatti was at Light Welterweight over Cotto, Witter and Harris, didn't Harris get knocked out by Maussa the night that Mayweather beat Gatti?

Many also DON'T regard him that highly, Towzer. With regards to the Mayweather opponents you name; all four are better names than the Pudwills etc. Even a fat Marquez was validated by being a mega earner for both guys. Calzaghe can't even claim that he was in BIG paying sham fights.

Many also DON'T regard him that highly, Towzer. With regards to the Mayweather opponents you name; all four are better names than the Pudwills etc. Even a fat Marquez was validated by being a mega earner for both guys. Calzaghe can't even claim that he was in BIG paying sham fights.
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Joe coulda made a bomb if he'd fought de la Hoya, who he was much bigger than, hence when i said a light middle, but he'd of knocked him out or schooled him.

Are you welsh by any chance???

Young_Towzer wrote:Many also DON'T regard him that highly, Towzer. With regards to the Mayweather opponents you name; all four are better names than the Pudwills etc. Even a fat Marquez was validated by being a mega earner for both guys. Calzaghe can't even claim that he was in BIG paying sham fights.
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Joe coulda made a bomb if he'd fought de la Hoya, who he was much bigger than, hence when i said a light middle, but he'd of knocked him out or schooled him.

You've lost me.

Did De La Hoya actively seek out that fight? No I didn't think so, poor example

Pernell whittaker and Azumah nelson didn't seek him out either....

I'd pick Joe to beat them too..

Pretty sure Hagler didn't receive such a bad press for fighting the likes of Hearns, Leonard, Duran and Mugabi like Mayweather has for fighting Marquez

A welter fighting a blown-up lightweight? Disgraceful. Good job SRL never did that...

A welter fighting a blown-up lightweight? Disgraceful. Good job SRL never did that...
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yep, you pretty much prove a point that Marquez aint great there then don;t you? because Duran beat Leonard in Montreal who is better than Mayweather and Mayweather battered Marquez, and with regards to your lost me comment, i meant about Mayweather fighting a fat ww coming up from lightweight in Marquez, Calzaghe coulda fought a p4per in de la Hoya who was a light middle and won just as easy

Not sure of the point your trying to make there, seem to be going round in circles making excuses for people doing exactly the same thing and like I said Marquez went after Mayweather not the other way round, at no point did De La Hoya go after Calzaghe. END OF as you would say

Are you welsh by any chance???
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Nah im english, my mam, grandad, other family are Irish though. I aint bias, read my comments for reference.

Young_Towzer wrote:A welter fighting a blown-up lightweight? Disgraceful. Good job SRL never did that...
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yep, you pretty much prove a point that Marquez aint great there then don;t you? because Duran beat Leonard in Montreal who is better than Mayweather and Mayweather battered Marquez, and with regards to your lost me comment, i meant about Mayweather fighting a fat ww coming up from lightweight in Marquez, Calzaghe coulda fought a p4per in de la Hoya who was a light middle and won just as easy

Congratulations on spectacularly missing the point. If SRL had beaten Duran would we be giving him credit for it, or would we be saying he had been fighting a guy who wasn't a natural at the weight?

Your Calzaghe point is barely relevant.

Let's not forget that Mayweather isn't a natural welterweight either.

Not sure of the point your trying to make there, seem to be going round in circles making excuses for people doing exactly the same thing and like I said Marquez went after Mayweather not the other way round, at no point did De La Hoya go after Calzaghe. END OF as you would say
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yeah but didn't Julius Francis go after Tyson? the point i'm making, which you aint getting is that Mayweather fighting a fat lightweight who is supposed to be great, but certainly isnt would of been the same as Joe fighting de la Hoya who would of been a fat super middleweight, because someone mentioned Mayweather earned loads for that fight, Joe coulda earned loads for fighting de la Hoya. Calzaghe's record, longevity, not having 4 year breaks all together, etc make him better imo.

Congratulations on spectacularly missing the point. If SRL had beaten Duran would we be giving him credit for it, or would we be saying he had been fighting a guy who wasn't a natural at the weight?

Your Calzaghe point is barely relevant.

Let's not forget that Mayweather isn't a natural welterweight either.
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No but now your being a tad daft though aint you, with ifs and buts, but if Hatton had beat Mayweather and Pacquiao he would of been the best brit ever, bar none. If being the big word. My point was Marquez isnt great, Duran is.

You may need to explain yourself a bit better than that, not got a clue what your on about, as for reading your posts to show they don't show, i've read many of them and i'm sure i'm not alone in thinking your incredibly biased against Mayweather.

You may need to explain yourself a bit better than that, not got a clue what your on about, as for reading your posts to show they don't show, i've read many of them and i'm sure i'm not alone in thinking your incredibly biased against Mayweather.
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Yeah i mean:
1. saying he's one of the best fighters i've ever seen, along with Manny.
2. Giving him huge credit for paying for Hernandez' funeral
3. Giving him huge credit for fighting Ortiz who is a young champ bang in his prime when Manny's fighting a fat lightweight.

I mean that really would point to me being biased. The word, wrong springs to mind, End of.

Towzer you keep killing your own argument. If Calzaghe had fought a blown up fighter from a lower weight class FOR A STACK OF CASH he'd still get grief, but he at least would be able to point to the fact he did it for the money. Hopkins fought Oscar, don't forget.

Marquez chased the Mayweather fight. Not the other way around. He was also ranked p4p #3 when he fought Mayweather. How many fighters of that level has Calzaghe fought..?

I'm never wrong dear boy, nobody in their right mind would consider Calzaghe a better fighter than Mayweather, just out of interest when was Joe ever rated above Floyd?

I'm never wrong dear boy, nobody in their right mind would consider Calzaghe a better fighter than Mayweather, just out of interest when was Joe ever rated above Floyd?
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Your wrong there, nobody in their right mind would say i'm bias when i've said he's one of the best fighter i've ever seen, praised him for Ortiz, the Hernandez jesture. And the way he's moved up from SFW to LMW. I said imo, did i say it was a fact? End of.

Young_Towzer wrote:I'm never wrong dear boy, nobody in their right mind would consider Calzaghe a better fighter than Mayweather, just out of interest when was Joe ever rated above Floyd?
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Your wrong there, nobody in their right mind would say i'm bias when i've said he's one of the best fighter i've ever seen, praised him for Ortiz, the Hernandez jesture. And the way he's moved up from SFW to LMW. I said imo, did i say it was a fact? End of.

But you have called him a ducker...

I do love your end ofs, it really enables a sensible level of debate, if you don't wish to be accused of bias then treat others with the same level of integrity

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I do love your end ofs, it really enables a sensible level of debate, if you don't wish to be accused of bias then treat others with the same level of integrity

I know you do, you said you do, so what am I..?

That's the jist of it Balti

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I do love your end ofs, it really enables a sensible level of debate, if you don't wish to be accused of bias then treat others with the same level of integrity

Your dealing with mr delusional ghosty, Calzaghe better than Floyd Mayweather? Just shows up his lack of boxing knowledge.

But you have called him a ducker...
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he is a ducker imo, don't mean i don't think he was a bad fighter

Your dealing with mr delusional ghosty, Calzaghe better than Floyd Mayweather? Just shows up his lack of boxing knowledge.
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haha thought your ignoring me? please do because you bore me and im sure the arguments you instigate between you and i bore people on here, as well as giving the mods a lot of work to do so i'll decline to comment.

Young_Towzer wrote:Your dealing with mr delusional ghosty, Calzaghe better than Floyd Mayweather? Just shows up his lack of boxing knowledge.
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haha thought your ignoring me? please do because you bore me and im sure the arguments you instigate between you and i bore people on here, as well as giving the mods a lot of work to do so i'll decline to comment.

Where did it say your name? The foe function dont work at the moment.

Little tip for you, don't exasperate the situation and simply ignore him rather than taking another dig, your arguments are boring so please don't start another one

Im sure you bore the posters on here with the drivel you spout with Calzaghe being better than Mayweather the latest. The only person that starts arguments on here is you!

Im sure you bore the posters on here with the drivel you spout with Calzaghe being better than Mayweather the latest. The only person that starts arguments on here is you!
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Steven Towzer declines to respond to this comment

We're making progress, keep that up YT and we'll all get on merrily

Little tip for you, don't exasperate the situation and simply ignore him rather than taking another dig, your arguments are boring so please don't start another one
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Steven Towzer declines to respond to this comment

Sorry to say it but that is indeed a response

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Sorry to say it but that is indeed a response

Let him be

Young_Towzer wrote:Regarded by who as Britains best ever fighter
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Many, many fans, pundits, journalists alike

I'm a Calzaghe fan but I would be very shocked if you could find more than 5 people (who know about boxing) that would say he is Britains best, would probably only make the top five of Wales' best.

I'm a Calzaghe fan but I would be very shocked if you could find more than 5 people (who know about boxing) that would say he is Britains best, would probably only make the top five of Wales' best.
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In my reckoning Calzaghe would be number four on a welsh list behind Wilde, Welsh and Driscoll so why your laughing at that opinion is beyond me

Young_Towzer wrote:I'm a Calzaghe fan but I would be very shocked if you could find more than 5 people (who know about boxing) that would say he is Britains best, would probably only make the top five of Wales' best.
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OK

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Howard Winston
3. Joe Calzaghe

I think Winston probably gets no2 based on the adversity he faced IMO.

This would be top three for me, however I have little knowledge of Freddy Welsh and Eddie Thomas who tend to be rated very highly by others.

Well there's Percy Jones, Freddie Welsh and Jim O'Driscoll all competing with Joe - and thene there's the peerless Jimmy Wilde, who Joe doesn't come close to.

The only three Welsh fighters who can have any kind of claim to be above Calzaghe for me are Welsh, Wilde and Driscoll. Wilde is a given for me, Welsh is fifty fifty but did get away with a lot of results on the back of the no decisions in place at the time and whilst some have Driscoll above him this is by no means a given as although at his best he was terrific he did lose to the aforementioned Welsh and didn't ever win a world title.

As for Winstone whilst he was unlucky in his world title attempts and in running into a decent champion, harsh truth is he did fall short so is someway behind Joe for me. Given all this he is an absolute cert for the top five from Wales and probably would be harsh to have him outside the top three.

Which of Wilde's wins put him in such high esteem?

Bit harsh on Welsh with regards to the no decision rule Rowley, in my estimation he won the newspaper decision every time he defended the title before losing it to Leonard, not as if he did an Attell against Driscoll where he clearly lost but got away with it.

MAyweather is a 5 weight world champ and always went after the most recognised title (the WBC) he is one of the most talented fighters of this generation. Yes he could have done more, but he beat everyone who he went in the ring with. Most of them with absolute ease even though they were picked to beat him. If mayweather beat an 'overrated' hatton then what did manny beat?

Ghosty am a fan it was more a case of towards the end of his career he had a tendency to place such a high price on defending the title few if any could tempt him into anything other than a no decision bout. Is an age since I read his biography but I seem to recall there were a couple of decisions that could have gone either way but could be wrong. Is more a thing that for a fighter who had an iron chin and was very good defensively to put himself in a situation where he could lose on a stoppage was a little under hand. However for what it's worth I tend to have Welsh just above Joe but there ain't much in it

rowley wrote:The only three Welsh fighters who can have any kind of claim to be above Calzaghe for me are Welsh, Wilde and Driscoll. Wilde is a given for me, Welsh is fifty fifty but did get away with a lot of results on the back of the no decisions in place at the time and whilst some have Driscoll above him this is by no means a given as although at his best he was terrific he did lose to the aforementioned Welsh and didn't ever win a world title.

As for Winstone whilst he was unlucky in his world title attempts and in running into a decent champion, harsh truth is he did fall short so is someway behind Joe for me. Given all this he is an absolute cert for the top five from Wales and probably would be harsh to have him outside the top three.

I just think for all Winstone achieved, pretty much with one hand should put him up there. Maybe a bit of Merthyr bias though!!

Scottrf wrote:Which of Wilde's wins put him in such high esteem?

Young Zulu Kid was a fantastic win over the legitimate flweight champ. That combined with a succession of international class opponents, who, according to reports were great fighters. And 100 KOs.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a massive Calzaghe fan. But Kessler and Hopkins aren't quite up to that mark.

Joe Lynch as well