My Top 50 boxers of all time list

rowley wrote:To visit the oft discussed topic of Duran's standing for me I actually agree that he is ranked a little high on many occasions but if there are times I do not consider him a top ten guy for me he is certainly in the top 15. To be honest he earned this once he beat a top five welter in his pomp because as Ghosty says this is one of the best wins ever. The comment about it being controversial are just plain wrong, close is not the same as controversial. The other point I would pick up on is the DeJesus fight. Yes he lost but he went 2-1 in the series so proved himself the better man. Ross lost to McLarnin and Ali lost to Frazier however as they both won the other two do not hold those losses against them guys so would seem unfair to hold Duran to a higher standard.

Post Leonard I see his career as an ageing guy operating outside his optimum weight who's form was a little patchy, however at middle the same could be said of Robinson but his body of work at his best is sufficient to not put too much stock in this so again will not hold Duran up to a different standard. His reign at lightweight coupled with a truly terrific win over Leonard seal his greatness for me and his form after neither add or detract to his leagcy IMO.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

rowley wrote:To visit the oft discussed topic of Duran's standing for me I actually agree that he is ranked a little high on many occasions but if there are times I do not consider him a top ten guy for me he is certainly in the top 15. To be honest he earned this once he beat a top five welter in his pomp because as Ghosty says this is one of the best wins ever. The comment about it being controversial are just plain wrong, close is not the same as controversial. The other point I would pick up on is the DeJesus fight. Yes he lost but he went 2-1 in the series so proved himself the better man. Ross lost to McLarnin and Ali lost to Frazier however as they both won the other two do not hold those losses against them guys so would seem unfair to hold Duran to a higher standard.

Post Leonard I see his career as an ageing guy operating outside his optimum weight who's form was a little patchy, however at middle the same could be said of Robinson but his body of work at his best is sufficient to not put too much stock in this so again will not hold Duran up to a different standard. His reign at lightweight coupled with a truly terrific win over Leonard seal his greatness for me and his form after neither add or detract to his leagcy IMO.

I am ignoring this clear attempt at a wind up. I am exercising my right of personal choice and self discipline.

Scottrf wrote:Mayweather is too low, otherwise a good list.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"Carpenter said Curry quit"....Well the fight was covered by iTV in this country.and Reg Gutteridge...

Don't lie....

The Doctor stopped the fight Curry didn't quit..

So please don't insult a great fighter..

Tell the truth.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He took a beating but this kid said he quit...he didn't!!

Learn to read..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Look..I know he got beat but there is a difference between accusing someone of being a quitter like Nigel Benn and the Doctor stopping it..

Go and find davide..he's more your level..

Young_Towzer wrote:Marquez was ineffective at 144 because of Floyd Mayweather's skill and talent not down to weight. Marquez would destroy Cotto at 147 and beat some of the contenders at 147 like Berto.
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Cotto would walk all over Marquez @ 147, Marquez hadn't had a fight at welterweight, we know you don't really think Marquez would beat Cotto, it's just wum tactics, i know this. I just don't see how a fat slow lightweight could push back someone of the boxing ability of Cotto, who would absolutely demolish him, Pacquiao's gonna do a better job than Mayweather though haha

Imperial Ghosty wrote:If you were a challenge PBF I wouldn't be able to have you tripping over yourself here there and everywhere would I? Truss is slightly different as I take him with good humour as unlike you his words are his own, not plagarised from elsewhere, lets be brutally honest for a second you didn't have a clue who Marcel was before I mentioned him did you?

As for Hearns beating Duran at any weight, yes any weight he could make but not every weight that Duran could make, Hearns would have near killed himself to get down to 135lbs and would be the equivalent of the walking dead.

Duran beating Leonard at Welterweight is in my opinion among the top 5 wins of all time and no amount of back tracking is going to change that, you constantly mention Leonard fighting the wrong fight but why was that? It was because Duran got into his head and made him fight that way, mental strength is a big part of boxing and Leonard showed a lot of weakness in being dragged into a brawl with someone like Duran. We could say for anyone that they fought the wrong fight but it doesn't prove anything

Hatton is a borderling top ten Light Welterweight purely because it's a division thats primarily been used as a stepping stone between lightweight and welterweight, based on ability Hatton would be nowhere near a top ten spot

Young_Towzer wrote:Marquez has more boxing ability than Cotto and more heart, would completly utterly destroy him. Like in the first two fights when Marquez beat Pacquiao.
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He wouldn't, Miguel would give him a good, good hiding haha. Hasn't done nothing at WW, wasn't Miguel a world champ who battered Quintana, Judah, Mosley, mmmm thought so. Yawn, yawn yawn haha but didn't Pacquiao drop him 4 times and draw and win? i thought so. Haha

Young_Towzer wrote:Mayweather vs Corrales better than a win over a prime, unbeaten Leonard in Montreal?
I think that confirms what i've always said, that your just a bias wum, haha

coxy0001 wrote:Sod off. You're a disgrace to this place to be honest, and not many will disagree with me. "Marquez beats Cotto @ 147". you're a bit pathetic sunshine.

Young_Towzer wrote:Styles make fights Towzer Marquez has too much for Cotto...So Pacquiao needs 3 fights with Marquez to do better than Mayweather?
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Didn't Pacquiao wipe Hatton out in 2 at his best weight after he had just battered Malignaggi? there both great fighters, and if they fight i'll enjoy it. I won't debate Mayweather/Pacquiao's achievements with you though, your too bias imo.

Young_Towzer wrote:Duran barely beat a below par Leonard...Floyd Mayweather was a underdog and completly destroyed Corrales.
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Give it up why you still have your dignity, make a poll, article asking which is the greatest, a win over a decent champ or a great in Leonard and the views will be unanimous for Leonard, i'd put money on that.

The genius of PBF wrote: I know who Ceran Marcel was, keep thinking you won the debate though.

captain carrantuohil wrote:

The genius of PBF wrote: I know who Ceran Marcel was, keep thinking you won the debate though.

You know who Ceran Marcel is? I'm afraid that you just proved exactly what you do know and it's not pretty. Marcel Cerdan, of whom you have apparently heard a little, was a middleweight of the 30s and 40s. Ernesto Marcel, of whom you have definitely heard nothing, was a featherweight champ of the 70s, who holds a decision over a 21 year-old Arguello.

It is sometimes best to keep silent, it really is.

captain carrantuohil wrote:That's not a spelling mistake, that's names around the wrong way, wrong fighter and wrong division. Otherwise, you've convinced me, you know all about both fighters.....

captain carrantuohil wrote:Now when you're floundering, call for a life jacket, not an anchor. The easiest thing is simply to admit your ignorance and move on, rather than compounding the error with lily-livered lies. It does tend to detract from the thrust of your argument, you know.

lightsout wrote:Eric Morales can't get a place in your top 50....?