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Nay Bother wrote:I have no issue with clubs voting us out and rangers ending in third division, it's there prerogative.

My issue comes with the clubs who want it all ways, but as long as it benefits them.

I.E rangers in the SPL but crippled by sanctions for first three seasons that they are not a threat to the top 6.

That being the case - best for Rangers to take the three league demotion. It is ironic though don't you think? For so long they have prostituted themselves to the EPL and now they are resorted to begging to stay in the SPL.

Most rangers fans I know including myself would prefer third division, gives the club a chance to build and hopefully start to make use of the youth system.

But yes, you are somewhat right, and the fact there is still talk, even if it is ludicrous that they are trying to get I to England, I think third division is what we deserve

Most of the clubs excluding Hearts would've voted them in had fans not held off buying season tickets. Third Division is where they should head there is no European football to be played until the time it would take them to make it back up, i imagine there will be a mass exodus shortly aswell.

I would find it strange if there wasn't, the players had to take large wage drops too we could survive till end of season, with less money now how can we afford them.

One thing that did puzzle me with regards the debts was why the administrators didn't insist Rangers sold off their prize assets to raise cash and it may of at least prevented the club being liquidised. Wouldn't that of been an option? I am sure the sales of Naismith, McGregor and Whittaker could have raised perhaps £5 to 10 million.

CaledonianCraig wrote: liquidised.

Duff and Phelps are corrupt. Don't think anything could have saved them from liquidation. Craig Whyte knew this, it's his speciality.

Another thing - the bid put in by the consortium led by Walter Smith was very odd. Why wait until the club had been put into liquidation before bidding? Why not bid during the bidding process and liquidation may have even been prevented? Not very smart by Walter Smith and co.

CaledonianCraig wrote:One thing that did puzzle me with regards the debts was why the administrators didn't insist Rangers sold off their prize assets to raise cash and it may of at least prevented the club being liquidised. Wouldn't that of been an option? I am sure the sales of Naismith, McGregor and Whittaker could have raised perhaps £5 to 10 million.

I think they were available for cut prices once they went into administration and the players signed new contracts to take reduced wages, i believe that contract also allows them to walk free under certain circumstances which seem to have been met, unless we believe Green and his TUPE nonsense.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Another thing - the bid put in by the consortium led by Walter Smith was very odd. Why wait until the club had been put into liquidation before bidding? Why not bid during the bidding process and liquidation may have even been prevented? Not very smart by Walter Smith and co.

Not sure at what stage he decided to get involved, think when he saw they were really going down he made a move, seems he didn't want his name associated with the liquidation process and waited, didn't seem right though and still very disappionting.

Aluko rejects contract transfer

Eight other players reportedly set to turn down switch to 'newco'

Sky Sports sources understand that Sone Aluko has rejected the transfer of his contract from Rangers to the 'newco' version of the club.

Rangers are waiting to learn their fate after being forced into liquidation earlier this month and will discover on 4th July whether they can take their place in the Scottish Premier League for the new season.

'Club 12' took the final slot in the SPL fixture list and Rangers will only occupy this position if they receive an 8-4 majority when the other top-flight clubs - including oldco Rangers - vote on their future.

While doubts continue to surround which division the club will be playing in, the players are also facing an uncertain situation.

Rangers owner Charles Green has previously insisted that all contracts should be transferred to his newco under employment law, and will meet with the players next week.

However, there remains some confusion over the validity of contracts after the Scottish PFA claimed players would be able to walk away from their deals.

And it is thought that Aluko has now turned down the transfer of his contract, following in the footsteps of young midfielder Rhys McCabe.

Aluko only moved to Ibrox in November on a short-term deal until the end of the season, and a number of impressive performances for Gers had seen him linked with several other clubs.

It is understood that eight other senior players could be set to follow Aluko's example and reject the transfer of their contracts.
Season ticket deadline

Meanwhile, Rangers have extended the deadline for season ticket renewals so that fans will know which league the club will be playing in before they have to decide.

The previous deadline was July 2nd but that has now been extended until 11th July.

A statement read: "In the event that we are not playing in the SPL, pricing will be reviewed and adjusted accordingly and refunds paid to season ticket holders who have already committed.

"The club will process the first of four direct debit payments.

"However this payment will be taken on July 6 rather than June 29 as previously communicated.

"The amounts remain unchanged at this point in time from the amount indicated to all direct debit season ticket holders in their confirmation letter.

"However, any subsequent payments will be reduced to take account of any movement in price as a result of playing in an alternative league.

"Fans should also be assured that all season ticket money will be held in an account that will go directly to the club."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7837172/

But Aluko was out of contract anyway so was there 2 weeks of his contract being transferred or something?

"Employment law entitles players to the same terms they had under the old company or allows them to exercise a right not to transfer across. "

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18560798

Are they allowed to quit yet though?

If they are allowed the right not to transfer across what is Green on about, does he think they are stupid. When players agreed to go onto reduced wages some of the bigger guys were allowed to walk if they were liduidated, i don't know if thats part of the same law here with TUPE or something different that was arranged. I hope he has plenty money because the Glasgow business men have done a runner when they realised the scale of things, maybe Walter did too.

Yes, no and don’t know - how SPL clubs plan to vote

HOW will SPL clubs vote on July 4? We analyse the eleven clubs that whose decisions will determine Rangers’ fate next season



Aberdeen

Mibbees Ayes, Mibbees no. Reported to have reached a ‘no’ decision yesterday morning, but this was quickly denied by chairman Stewart Milne. The outraged reaction of many of their fans to this perceived timidity likely to convince the board there is only one decision to make.

Celtic

No decision yet from the Scottish champions but, like Aberdeen, might not have an option in terms of the strength of their fans’ feelings. The loss of the veto afforded by their partnership with Rangers thanks to the 11-1 voting structure might have to be the price worth paying. Chief executive Peter Lawwell has also shown little sympathy with Rangers’ plight.

Dundee United

Released a press statement late on Thursday night after consultation with supporters’ groups leaving no-one of any doubt of their intentions to block Rangers’ path back into the SPL. It was a view chairman Stephen Thompson seemed to have begun to adopt in recent weeks.

Hearts

Owed £800,000 from the transfer of Lee Wallace to Rangers and so hardly minded to be generous to the Ibrox club. Owner Vladimir Romanov missed few targets in his statement on Thursday, which lined BSkyB up against the wall with Rangers, who he accused of “destroying” football with “hollow” victories.

Hibernian

Chairman Rod Petrie has already stated, on live television, that sporting integrity has to be the guiding principle when the clubs gather to vote. Has maintained his more customary silence since then, but unlikely his view – or the stance of his club – has changed.

Inverness CT

Chairman Kenny Cameron has reacted bullishly to those who surmise that Inverness could ill-afford the absence of two visits from Rangers to the Caledonian Stadium. Stated that those who predict his club’s stance on the issue must have a “crystal ball”. Apparently still to make a decision.

Kilmarnock

Chairman Michael Johnston has made it clear he is very conscious of the drop in revenue resulting from Rangers’ demotion, and as recently as this week contemplated the difference in ticket sales between a visit of Rangers and one from Dundee on the first day of the season. He estimated it would be a 4,000 drop and therefore has to still be considered a ‘yes’ voter.

Motherwell

Have confirmed they will put the question to their fans, who will be asked to vote on whether the club should support or oppose a newco’s entry to the SPL. All adult ‘Well Society members and the small number of existing minority shareholders who have yet to join the society will be granted a vote. It seem unlikely that the majority will go for anything other than a ‘no’ answer.

Ross County

Chairman Roy MacGregor has planned for the absence of Rangers in the SPL as his own side makes a first appearance in the top tier. Has not nailed his colours to the mast yet but previous comments suggest he is a man for whom sporting integrity counts for a great deal.

St Johnstone

Have balanced the books well for many years now, and would probably be expected to look unfavourably on any special dispensation being given to Rangers. Chairman Steven Brown has, however, been quoted as decribing the loss of the Ibrox club to the top flight as a “disaster”. It seems, therefore that they could still be swayed and must be considered a ‘maybe’.

St Mirrren

Imminent fans’ buy-out of the club has been postponed until after the crucial July 4 vote. But fans power could still sway the current board’s thinking and they released a statement to that effect earlier this week.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/rangers-newco-yes-no-and-don-t-know-how-spl-clubs-plan-to-vote-1-2371837

Who do you think the other 8-10 players are?

I'd imagine Lafferty, McGregor and Davis are stick ons to reject the transfer of their contracts, heard Whittaker will too but I can't see any other club paying him the £20k per week he gets with his current contract

McCabe is a shocker though, thought he'd see next season as a chance to fully stake a claim as a first team regular

McCabe is a strange one, Bocanegra is off to Vancouver Rapids i think, McGregor will be off, Edu, Goian, Naismith, maybe Bedoya, Papac, Maybe Broadfoot which wouldn't normally concern me but he could end up our star player.

Think Motherwell will vote 'no'. I think all SPL fans (other than Rangers fans) want Rangers ended or at least made an example of. Also think Ross County will vote no for the above reason and the fact that they have survived without Rangers anyway so it's not a money issue for them.

Papac is definitely going, he said it a while ago.

There will be a no vote on the 4th so i hope Green is prepared. Papac is definately away and Goian told his agent to look for a new club a few days after he refused the China deal and said he wasn't going anywhere, as did Naismith, there will be a big interest once the transfer market opens.

Naismith to Bolton I reckon. There were murmurs about that months ago. McGregor to a decent PL side (or Celtic). Possibly Villa?

I think both will definately go to the Premeirship, i thought they were going to go last season before all this kicked off so there's no way they'll stay.

Is Naismith even fit yet? I can see him staying put at least until he can prove his fitness for the Jan window

Ally McCoist Statement

RANGERS manager Ally McCoist has this afternoon released the following statement.

He said: "It has been reported that a couple of players have indicated they want to challenge the transfer of their contracts. This is news to me and no player has spoken to me about it.

"At all times during my first year as manager, I strived to show players respect and in return would have hoped they would have shown me, and more importantly the club, respect by notifying us of their intentions before making it known elsewhere.

"Players have their own decisions to make and I understand that, but the question they have to ask themselves is do they want to play for Rangers or not?

"The formation of a new company is not the issue. The players would be playing for the same club - Rangers - in front of the same fans.

"If players want to leave and play somewhere else then they should be honest with the Rangers supporters.

"I don't want Rangers fans to be reading over the next few days how devastated players are about having to go. The fans deserve better than that. They are not daft.

"I can understand if a player has the chance to go somewhere else and there is uncertainty about which division we will be playing in.

"If that is the case that is understandable but they should not expect sympathy from Rangers supporters if they use the transfer of contracts as an excuse.

"I already know there are agents touting my players all over the United Kingdom, so let's be brutally honest.

"We are in a difficult situation and the contracts issue has given some players and agents the belief they can use it to leave the club.

"After all that the club and the fans have gone through, the supporters, above all, deserve the truth and should not have to listen to stories trying to sugar-coat the possible departure of players from the club.

"The players were magnificent last season and made great sacrifices and that will never be forgotten.

"Now, we have to look forward and everyone should be upfront and honest about their intentions."

Rangers CEO Charles Green added: "We are meeting the PFA Scotland and their legal advisers on Monday with a view to allaying players' concerns about the transfer of contracts so the timing of these announcements by players is hard to understand.

"The transfer of contracts has already happened and the club's clear legal advice is that players' purported objection is ineffective.

"Rangers would like to make it abundantly clear to players, agents and the chairmen and managers of other football clubs that we will take whatever steps necessary to challenge what we regard as a breach of contract to protect the interests of our club."

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2820089

the-gaffer wrote:Is Naismith even fit yet? I can see him staying put at least until he can prove his fitness for the Jan window

No he's nearly in the same situation that stopped him from being signed last season so it will be interesting to see what happens.

"The players would be playing for the same club"

No Ali, it's NOT the same club. As much as they want to say it's the same club, it's not. New Old Firm Derby, 2015/2016.

Back to the players, I forgot Naismith was injured. Think Whittaker and McCulloch will stay. Can't imagine any other club wanting them. The Rangers might really be struggling for players. Kenny Deuchar's available

Interesting statement from McCoist, he talks about players not suger coating any decision to leave yet uses the emotional aspect of playing for 'This Club' when infact it's a different club even if it takes the same name, fans and players

I'm not really criticising McCoist because he's not got a clue what's going on either but he can't have it both ways

Think with Greens little comment at the bottom it might not be all his words or choice, at the same time though the players need to be in the loop and McCulloch couldn't even get a hold of him.

I think The Rangers going to the First Division could be the best thing to happen to the SPL in years simply because it looks likely that we'll get Promotion/Relegation Play-Off's reintroduced and hopefully mean the SPL, SFL and SFA striking a deal which will see them all working under the same banner again which in the future could give us a better prospect of restructuring our League which is long out-dated

Reading today that their games will still be shown live on SKY it will also boost the coffers of all the other First Division clubs for a year which could keep them running for the next 3 years worry free

the-gaffer wrote:

McCabe is a shocker though, thought he'd see next season as a chance to fully stake a claim as a first team regular

Bet he can't wait to play the likes of Montrose and Stranraer for at least 3 years.

Can't see anybody staying, would be career suicide.

the-gaffer wrote:I think The Rangers going to the First Division could be the best thing to happen to the SPL in years simply because it looks likely that we'll get Promotion/Relegation Play-Off's reintroduced and hopefully mean the SPL, SFL and SFA striking a deal which will see them all working under the same banner again which in the future could give us a better prospect of restructuring our League which is long out-dated

Reading today that their games will still be shown live on SKY it will also boost the coffers of all the other First Division clubs for a year which could keep them running for the next 3 years worry free

There is no club "The Rangers" you deluded idiot. It's a brand new club that will have to compete with Spartans to get into the SFL if they can even make it that far. No accounts, players are not going to stay, they will "walk away" . Look for Ibrox etc getting sold for flats as this Green guy doesn't have the 30 million needed to get even started.

Wow

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11788_2341321,00.html

Remember that would have been good to have seen him for a season or two.

RDuncan8 wrote:

the-gaffer wrote:I think The Rangers going to the First Division could be the best thing to happen to the SPL in years simply because it looks likely that we'll get Promotion/Relegation Play-Off's reintroduced and hopefully mean the SPL, SFL and SFA striking a deal which will see them all working under the same banner again which in the future could give us a better prospect of restructuring our League which is long out-dated

Reading today that their games will still be shown live on SKY it will also boost the coffers of all the other First Division clubs for a year which could keep them running for the next 3 years worry free

There is no club "The Rangers" you deluded idiot. It's a brand new club that will have to compete with Spartans to get into the SFL if they can even make it that far. No accounts, players are not going to stay, they will "walk away" . Look for Ibrox etc getting sold for flats as this Green guy doesn't have the 30 million needed to get even started.

Easy Tiger, why the heat filled hatred towards a fellow poster?

I thought when Rangers FC died last Thursday Green aquired the remains of RFC and transferred them to his new club known as The Rangers, if you seriously think any form of Newco will have to fight it out with Spartans or Cove for the SFL spot then you're the "deluded idiot", it ain't going to happen, be it the 1st-3rd Division Spartans or Cove won't even be given a second thought

You seem like a thoroughly nice well grounded chap so I await your reply explaining why Spartans will 'fight it out'

Green has only said he will call it this to appease the now defunct Rangers' fans. His newco is called sevco or something. Not sure the rules of changing it but it certainly ain't certain that it will be "the rangers"

Why would Spartans not want to fight it out? They will have as much right to entry as sevco particularly if sevco can not get their accounts/license in order to be approved by UEFA, SFA etc by well before the start of the season. No way should a brand new club (yes, thats what it is) should be allowed to be parachuted into division one. It is an insult to all other clubs in every division and it will be one that will always taint this "new club" for not having earned it. Start from the bottom and earn it. Unfortunately it looks like the SFA/SPL will ignore all the fans...

It wasn't just for that post that I called you a deluded idiot but all your other posts to. Naismith will not stay, the rest of the players with a career left will not stay.

Aluko and McCabe oppose having their contracts transferred to the newco.

I.e they're abandoning the sinking ship.

RDuncan8 wrote:Green has only said he will call it this to appease the now defunct Rangers' fans. His newco is called sevco or something. Not sure the rules of changing it but it certainly ain't certain that it will be "the rangers"

Why would Spartans not want to fight it out? They will have as much right to entry as sevco particularly if sevco can not get their accounts/license in order to be approved by UEFA, SFA etc by well before the start of the season. No way should a brand new club (yes, thats what it is) should be allowed to be parachuted into division one. It is an insult to all other clubs in every division and it will be one that will always taint this "new club" for not having earned it. Start from the bottom and earn it. Unfortunately it looks like the SFA/SPL will ignore all the fans...

It wasn't just for that post that I called you a deluded idiot but all your other posts to. Naismith will not stay, the rest of the players with a career left will not stay.

Ahh all my other posts....I'm glad you cleared that up because I'd hate to think being right made me a "deluded idiot" although going by your OTT rants you seem an expert on delusion and idiocy, you'll need new buttons on your keyboard if you can't control you're anger

What was delusional? The fact that I think the SPL needs restructured? What about the fact that I felt having THREE ruling bodies was two too many? Or what about hoping that our league will introduce Promotion/Relegation Play-Off's to the SPL, a move that would reinvigorate the bottom third of the SPL as well as the top half of Division 1 in the hope it would entice more fans to more games and give teams something to play for late into the season?

Yeah you're right, only a deluded fool would like to see more exciting changes introduced that would enhance Football and Football support in this country

As for Naismith, maybe he will leave but he's on what just now? £15k a week? If he isn't fit yet no-one will touch him as he has a history of serious knee injuries, that's his fourth cruciate injury already, so it's not beyond the realms of possibilty for Naismith to transfer his contract over to Newco, Serco or whatever you want to call them until he can prove to potential suiters that he can get back to peak health

Gaffers right, scottish footballs a mess and needs drastic change with play offs ect. I'm almost hoping the sfa spl sfl do the right thing here. Almost.

the-gaffer wrote:

RDuncan8 wrote:Green has only said he will call it this to appease the now defunct Rangers' fans. His newco is called sevco or something. Not sure the rules of changing it but it certainly ain't certain that it will be "the rangers"

Why would Spartans not want to fight it out? They will have as much right to entry as sevco particularly if sevco can not get their accounts/license in order to be approved by UEFA, SFA etc by well before the start of the season. No way should a brand new club (yes, thats what it is) should be allowed to be parachuted into division one. It is an insult to all other clubs in every division and it will be one that will always taint this "new club" for not having earned it. Start from the bottom and earn it. Unfortunately it looks like the SFA/SPL will ignore all the fans...

It wasn't just for that post that I called you a deluded idiot but all your other posts to. Naismith will not stay, the rest of the players with a career left will not stay.

Ahh all my other posts....I'm glad you cleared that up because I'd hate to think being right made me a "deluded idiot" although going by your OTT rants you seem an expert on delusion and idiocy, you'll need new buttons on your keyboard if you can't control you're anger

What was delusional? The fact that I think the SPL needs restructured? What about the fact that I felt having THREE ruling bodies was two too many? Or what about hoping that our league will introduce Promotion/Relegation Play-Off's to the SPL, a move that would reinvigorate the bottom third of the SPL as well as the top half of Division 1 in the hope it would entice more fans to more games and give teams something to play for late into the season?

Yeah you're right, only a deluded fool would like to see more exciting changes introduced that would enhance Football and Football support in this country

As for Naismith, maybe he will leave but he's on what just now? £15k a week? If he isn't fit yet no-one will touch him as he has a history of serious knee injuries, that's his fourth cruciate injury already, so it's not beyond the realms of possibilty for Naismith to transfer his contract over to Newco, Serco or whatever you want to call them until he can prove to potential suiters that he can get back to peak health

Okay, lets go through your posts.

1) McCabe leaving - not a shock as I have already pointed out (you ignored). Why would he want to stick around somewhere where there is no club, history and are not guarenteed to be part of any league.

2) Naismith staying - Not going to happen. Same reasons as above. Would be career suicide.

3) "The Rangers" - I have already commented on this. There is no "the Rangers", there is not even a club...

4) 1st Division - This is another rumour which will not happen. It's parachuting a brand new club up atleast 3 divisions. How is that fair, where is the sporting integrity in that? Restructuring would be probably be good (not really looked into it) but not for the benefit of sevco. It won't happen before the start of this season anyway.

5) "The Rangers" again - I commented back on this - you ignored.

6) Spartans - See post above, why shouldn't they fight? They have as much right (if not more) than sevco.

7) Last post - You ignored all my other points. You only want league reconstruction to benefit sevco. This may happen in time but not in time for sevco hence you are delusional thinking about this.

Ayrshirebhoy wrote:Gaffers right, scottish footballs a mess and needs drastic change with play offs ect. I'm almost hoping the sfa spl sfl do the right thing here. Almost.

I would also like reconstruction but just not for the benefit of getting sevco into the first division.

Like I said earlier I do not support any club but from where I stand although it is a newco it is still the same club (Rangers) to me. Same stadia, same backroom staff, same memories, same players, same everything and I am sure most people will see this the same way.

Scottish football is in a shambolic state and needs totally restructuring but still means newco go down to the lowest tier of the league in my opinion as the rules stipulate. As for the restructuring then now would be as good a time as any with all this unrest going on. In my opinion each league should be made up of far more clubs such as 18 for the SPL with clubs playing each other only twice each and we then have more variety and less fixtures pile-up and a chance to shed the dreadful mid-season split. I'd also introduce play-offs as well and look to have an easier system of promotion from non-league to the league itself.

Having "Rangers" start in division 3 would actually create greater international interest for them and Scottish football, than if they were put back into the SPL. The Rangers - Celtic duopoly has been so predictable, and their European level competitiveness so lacking in significance, that for most non-attached "fans" of the game, the Scottish Premiership seems more or less unexciting / a little bit archaic.

Nore Staat wrote:Having "Rangers" start in division 3 would actually create greater international interest for them and Scottish football, than if they were put back into the SPL. The Rangers - Celtic duopoly has been so predictable, and their European level competitiveness so lacking in significance, that for most non-attached "fans" of the game, the Scottish Premiership seems more or less unexciting / a little bit archaic.

Trouble with that is Celtic are going to win the league minimum 3 in a row thou likely 6 or 7 I see. Will the bookies even take bets for next season. It could be even more static and boring.

RDuncan8 wrote:

the-gaffer wrote:

RDuncan8 wrote:Green has only said he will call it this to appease the now defunct Rangers' fans. His newco is called sevco or something. Not sure the rules of changing it but it certainly ain't certain that it will be "the rangers"

Why would Spartans not want to fight it out? They will have as much right to entry as sevco particularly if sevco can not get their accounts/license in order to be approved by UEFA, SFA etc by well before the start of the season. No way should a brand new club (yes, thats what it is) should be allowed to be parachuted into division one. It is an insult to all other clubs in every division and it will be one that will always taint this "new club" for not having earned it. Start from the bottom and earn it. Unfortunately it looks like the SFA/SPL will ignore all the fans...

It wasn't just for that post that I called you a deluded idiot but all your other posts to. Naismith will not stay, the rest of the players with a career left will not stay.

Ahh all my other posts....I'm glad you cleared that up because I'd hate to think being right made me a "deluded idiot" although going by your OTT rants you seem an expert on delusion and idiocy, you'll need new buttons on your keyboard if you can't control you're anger

What was delusional? The fact that I think the SPL needs restructured? What about the fact that I felt having THREE ruling bodies was two too many? Or what about hoping that our league will introduce Promotion/Relegation Play-Off's to the SPL, a move that would reinvigorate the bottom third of the SPL as well as the top half of Division 1 in the hope it would entice more fans to more games and give teams something to play for late into the season?

Yeah you're right, only a deluded fool would like to see more exciting changes introduced that would enhance Football and Football support in this country

As for Naismith, maybe he will leave but he's on what just now? £15k a week? If he isn't fit yet no-one will touch him as he has a history of serious knee injuries, that's his fourth cruciate injury already, so it's not beyond the realms of possibilty for Naismith to transfer his contract over to Newco, Serco or whatever you want to call them until he can prove to potential suiters that he can get back to peak health

Okay, lets go through your posts.

1) McCabe leaving - not a shock as I have already pointed out (you ignored). Why would he want to stick around somewhere where there is no club, history and are not guarenteed to be part of any league.

2) Naismith staying - Not going to happen. Same reasons as above. Would be career suicide.

3) "The Rangers" - I have already commented on this. There is no "the Rangers", there is not even a club...

4) 1st Division - This is another rumour which will not happen. It's parachuting a brand new club up atleast 3 divisions. How is that fair, where is the sporting integrity in that? Restructuring would be probably be good (not really looked into it) but not for the benefit of sevco. It won't happen before the start of this season anyway.

5) "The Rangers" again - I commented back on this - you ignored.

6) Spartans - See post above, why shouldn't they fight? They have as much right (if not more) than sevco.

7) Last post - You ignored all my other points. You only want league reconstruction to benefit sevco. This may happen in time but not in time for sevco hence you are delusional thinking about this.

You seem more interested in "The Rangers" point than anything else, so much so you referred to it twice in you're 7 points

As for McCabe, maybe to you it's not a shock, for me though I think it was a wee shock, has he even played 10 games yet? I thought he'd at least wait to see what division Sevco are in before he made any decision as it's probably his best chance to get regular first team football

As for Naismith, I've already explained my logic behind that, am I right? Who knows, but if he's not fit enough to kick a ball yet then no-one will likely take a chance on a guy for £20k p/w who has a dreadful injury history and two dodgy knees, so would he cut ties just now and earn nothing for the next few months and hope to get a deal if and when he can prove his fitness? Or does he transfer his contract just now and use the resources available to him at Sevco and continue earning his £15k+ per week until he is fully fit before moving in January? I don't think that ones as cut and dried as you seem to hope

As for you're point about Spartans, no-one is saying they shouldn't apply, however only an idiot would assume they'll be chosen over the Newco

The First Division is just rumour, everything is at this moment in time unless you're privvy to the minutes of the meetings, the only way that could be transferred into the First Division is if the SPL and SFL reamalgamate which would then give the SPL the power to Relegate them to the League immediately under them rather than just expel them from the one and only League they're in charge of

I am desperate for League Re-Structuring and have been for years however due to the selfish self preservation of the clubs in the SPL and I include my own in this then it was never likely or even remotely possible, now with the shambles that Rangers FC became we have a serious opportunity to right some massive wrongs with not only our League but the entire Professional set-up in Scotland altogether, I want this to happen because I love our game and want to see it prosper, I also don't get why you keep insisting I only want to see change for the benefit of The Rangers/Sevco

The fact is that no-one knows what League Sevco, Dundee, Airdrie and Stranrae will be in next season so blindly assuming these changes won't happen in time for next season is wrong

Can anyone explain what's delusion about any of the above?

Yes - delusional that you think McCabe and Naismith (or anyone with a career) will stay.

Delusional that you think sevco will have players, accounts, UEFA license to compete next season hence Spartans.

I am desperate for League Re-Structuring

I know you are, it's the only vague chance you have on keeping your bigoted rivalry. If you love the game so much, surely you can see why sporting integrity is the most important thing. League reconstruction can wait until sevco is dealt with, not rushed to please them.

"The Rangers" was mentioned in your posts in which I was responding to them . They are quotes. Yours.

Rduncan. Why would Celtic get parachuted to the first division

You are incorrectly assuming Gaffer is a Rangers Fan

Nay Bother wrote:Rduncan. Why would Celtic get parachuted to the first division

You are incorrectly assuming Gaffer is a Rangers Fan

Fair enough. That makes it worse! My points still stand.I'll reword the last bit.

Well look at that. Whittaker and Naismith not transferring their contracts. Walking away it would seem.

Who on here is actually a Rangers fan and what do they think will or should happen? Do they accept Rangers should be punished severely?

That could be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I expect every big name to walk now, over the next week. I could see the argument for Naismith staying for a while, but no transfer fees mean a bigger signing on bonus. Will this affect season tickets sales?

Green seems to be shockingly naive about all of this. Unless the players have it written into their contracts that the players have to transfer their contracts to the new club, employment law clearly states that anyone can object to transferring. Where is he getting his legal advice?

From a Celtic perspective, although highly unlikely, would it be worth trying to pick up a bargain or two. I'd take McGregor, Davis, take a punt on McCabe, and possibly Naismith if he can prove his fitness.

Why would not supporting them make it worse? I want League Re-Structure and have done for about 6 years now, the only way that was going to happen was if something drastic happened, something drastic has happened, now any re-structure could probably benefit a Newco in the short term but in the long term it would be for the benefit of the entirety of Scottish Football

You keep using the word delusional but I really questioin whether you can understand the definition of it as you can't seem to comprehend or simply understand the simplicity of what I'm actually saying, you seem to think everything you say is fact when I'm merely looking at it from all of the angles, the fact you constantly need to resort to name calling does absolutely nothing for any hope of credibility you're looking for, it's quite socially inept to be honest

The fact that you couldn't see through your blind rage to notice I support Celtic and not Rangers says it all

When I said you seemed obsessed by "The Rangers" points you made it was simple, you listed it twice in your 7 points

6oldenbhoy wrote:That could be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I expect every big name to walk now, over the next week. I could see the argument for Naismith staying for a while, but no transfer fees mean a bigger signing on bonus. Will this affect season tickets sales?

Green seems to be shockingly naive about all of this. Unless the players have it written into their contracts that the players have to transfer their contracts to the new club, employment law clearly states that anyone can object to transferring. Where is he getting his legal advice?

From a Celtic perspective, although highly unlikely, would it be worth trying to pick up a bargain or two. I'd take McGregor, Davis, take a punt on McCabe, and possibly Naismith if he can prove his fitness.

I personally don't think Celtic would or should try and poach any of the Rangers players, most of their first team regulars like Naismith, McGregor and Davis will have a few offers offering more than we'd play plus I don't think their lives would be worth living if they transferred to Celtic, with what's went on it would have far more heat than Kenny Miller ever did, don't think the players or the club need that kind of hassle

If they have any good younger players I.e Rhys McCabe, then that could be a different option altogether