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Post by HERSH Tue 04 Oct 2011, 4:15 pm

First topic message reminder :

Last 10 meetings

26 Feb 2011 England 17 - 9 France
20 Mar 2010 France 12 - 10 England
15 Mar 2009 England 34 - 10 France
23 Feb 2008 France 13 - 24 England
13 Oct 2007 France 9 - 14 England -RWC
18 Aug 2007 France 22 - 9 England
11 Aug 2007 England 15 - 21 France
11 Mar 2007 England 26 - 18 France
12 Mar 2006 France 31 - 6 England
13 Feb 2005 England 17 - 18 France

ENGLAND - 5 Wins - FRANCE - 5 Wins


stlowe wrote:England

1 Matt Stevens
2 Steve Thompson
3 Dan Cole
4 Louis Deacon
5 Tom Palmer
6 Tom Croft
7 Lewis Moody
8 Nick Easter
9 Ben Youngs
10 Jonny Wilkinson
11 Mark Cueto
12 Toby Flood
13 Manu Tuilagi
14 Chris Ashton
15 Ben Foden

Replacements

16 Dylan Hartley
17 Alex Corbisiero
18 Courtney Lawes
19 Simon Shaw
20 James Haskell
21 Richard Wigglesworth
22 Matt Banahan



France

1 Jean-Baptiste Poux
2 William Servat
3 Nicolas Mas
4 Pascal Pape
5 Lionel Nallet
6 Thierry Dusautoir
7 Julien Bonnaire
8 Imanol Harinordoquy
9 Dimitri Yachvili
10 Morgan Parra
11 Alexis Palisson
12 Maxime Mermoz
13 Aurélien Rougerie
14 Vincent Clerc
15 Maxime Médard

Replacements

16 Dimitri Szarzewski
17 Fabien Barcella
18 Julien Pierre
19 Louis Picamoles
20 Francois Trinh-Duc
21 David Marty
22 Cédric Heymans


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Post by TheGreyGhost Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:08 am

PJHolybloke wrote:Well I'm not in the least bit surprised, England need 10 points before halftime, and if 1 point were a possibility - they wouldn't get that.

The biggest halftime turnaround in WC history is 13 points.

Lucky he's missed a few, or it'd be 23-0 right now.

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Post by perand25 Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:08 am

TheGreyGhost wrote:I reckon Vickery is going to sub himself on shortly.

He could not be any worse than Stevens

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Post by Cymroglan Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:09 am

Who did that PJ ?

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Post by Guest Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:09 am

PJ, it's never simple in an england v France match, stil lloads of time left, anything can happen!

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Post by Gatts Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:11 am

exactly. a try from england and the game is back on

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Post by perand25 Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:11 am

Terrible by Foden

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:11 am

if we can score before half time we have a shot- otherwise no chance

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Post by PJHolybloke Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:11 am

France are playing a simple game, there's nothing special about it - it's just that England are too simple to do anything about it.

WTF Foden, seriouslY. WTF?!
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Post by glamorganalun Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:11 am

Dam, trust the French to come up trumps, I was hoping for a Wales v England semi, should be a better game with France.

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Post by Guest Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:12 am

England, honestly, wehre are your brains?! my Dad's going to be going nuts.

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Post by maestegmafia Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:12 am

This England, LACK of, performance is an insult to Scotland who deserve to be here more.

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Post by PJHolybloke Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:12 am

Don't tend to score too many from their own 5 metre line do they?
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Post by Guest Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:13 am

Maes - that's really not needed. If Scotland deserved to be here, they'd have won their matches.

England, please please, find your brains eh?

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Post by Portnoy Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:13 am

I have to say. This is the France I love to see. Pity is you only get it one game in five to ten.
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Post by PJHolybloke Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:15 am

Jeez, 40 metres of pitch to work with, some genuinely decent backs and....

....yeah, chuck it up the short side.

Pathetically poor.
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Post by Hood83 Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:16 am

Wow, we're getting thumped. Fair play to the French, theyve turned up. if they ever gained consistency God help us all. Think this may be an embarrassment now, but if it means Jonny, Easter, Moody, Thommo and Stevens never play for us again i spose its something

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Post by rodders Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:16 am

Holey smokes!
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Post by Guest Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:16 am

oooooh Ashton! should have got that ball, great chance to score there although the pass was fairly dodgy,

HT 0 - 16. Blimey.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:16 am

well we could and should have got back in the game- but we cant catch so there you go

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Post by Pal Joey Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:17 am

Nothing sticking for England - France's rush defence doing the job so far.

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Post by perand25 Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:17 am

Apart from the one pass to Easter i think wilko has been terrible along with youngs

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Post by PJHolybloke Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:17 am

Never been done before, wont be done this time either.

Woeful England, the NH SF should be a good one though.
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Post by wales606 Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:17 am

Umm, wasnt it on the Wales vs Ireland thread that someone said only 8 times have teams come back from 7 pts down at HT in the WC - How many have come back from 16 - 0 down?
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Post by Gatts Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:18 am

PJHolybloke wrote:Jeez, 40 metres of pitch to work with, some genuinely decent backs and....

....yeah, chuck it up the short side.

Pathetically poor.

feck come on lads, the masters of the win anyway need to start playing the england way and grind it out up front

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Post by Guest Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:18 am

I don't think it's been done wales606. Huge ask for England but if it can happen in any match, it'll be this one.

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Post by Gatts Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:19 am

rugbydreamer wrote:I don't think it's been done wales606. Huge ask for England but if it can happen in any match, it'll be this one.

+1 really think there is alot more rugby to come from england

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Post by PJHolybloke Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:19 am

wales606 wrote:Umm, wasnt it on the Wales vs Ireland thread that someone said only 8 times have teams come back from 7 pts down at HT in the WC - How many have come back from 16 - 0 down?

Yes Wales, that was I. The answer to your question is none, 13 is the best Samoa 16-3 up against Argentina lost 16-32.

That ain't gonna happen here.
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:20 am

wales606 wrote:Umm, wasnt it on the Wales vs Ireland thread that someone said only 8 times have teams come back from 7 pts down at HT in the WC - How many have come back from 16 - 0 down?

Someone said earlier that the record comeback is 13 points in RWCs. France vs NZ in '99?
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Post by EnglishReign Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:20 am

Absolute mare! We need an early 2nd half try. If we get that, game on. Otherwise, les bleus will run away with it. Get that useless lump Stevens off.

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Post by radelven Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:20 am

A number of selection errors coming to bear. Wigglesworth, Corbisero, Haskell & Hape should have all started.

Dire basics from the team as a whole though.

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Post by rodders Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:22 am

Wales v NZ final. You didn't hear it here 1st.

England aren't out of this though. Score first after after half time and they are right back in it. However if France get the next score it's curtains I think.
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Post by Portnoy Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:23 am

Anyone remember that 37-0 debacle on '07?

Of course you do.

This could be as ugly.
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Post by EnglishReign Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:23 am

roddersm wrote:Wales v NZ final. You didn't hear it here 1st.

England aren't out of this though. Score first after after half time and they are right back in it. However if France get the next score it's curtains I think.

You're not wrong. Bloody France and their bloody inconsistency!

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:23 am

Don't exaggerate.




It was 36-0

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Post by Taylorman Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:24 am

Geez.
All looks too easy for france.
England started the tournament with a terrible ability to concede penalties.
They just look laboured. Like ireland everything seems just too hard.

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Post by Gatts Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:24 am

radelven wrote:A number of selection errors coming to bear. Wigglesworth, Corbisero, Haskell & Hape should have all started.

Dire basics from the team as a whole though.

Think we will see all 4 before 50 mins

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Post by PJHolybloke Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:24 am

Kiwireddevil wrote:
wales606 wrote:Umm, wasnt it on the Wales vs Ireland thread that someone said only 8 times have teams come back from 7 pts down at HT in the WC - How many have come back from 16 - 0 down?

Someone said earlier that the record comeback is 13 points in RWCs. France vs NZ in '99?

France have come back twice from 10 down, Scotland in 95 and NZ in 07.
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Post by Hood83 Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:27 am

I think GG said on another post the Wilko Flood selection smacked of giving Jonny a safety blanket, he's right. I just can't see why anyone would make that selection. At what point do we accept that the Golden one is no longer up to international rugby. Typically, too late. Just can't see the logic behind a loosehead who can't scrummage, an 8 who can't run and a 9 who can't pass. Hey ho

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Post by TheGreyGhost Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:28 am

England look threatening in attack. But just lacked composure close to the line. I don't think the game is beyond them yet.

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Post by EnglishReign Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:28 am

We've decided to stop conceding penalties for this game, but I don't think deciding to start conceding tries was a wise alternative.

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Post by PJHolybloke Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:28 am

Well, I'm going to do what a good Englishman should always do in moments of adversity - cuppa cup of tea anyone?
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:30 am

No accuracy in any facet of Englands play. Very disappointing.
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Post by mystiroakey Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:33 am

lol why do we keep making school boy errors.

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Post by PJHolybloke Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:33 am

They don't know what they're doing Pete, clueless.
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Post by Gatts Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:35 am

yep....too deep, just lateral

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Post by Gatts Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:35 am

best get fresh legs on england

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Post by Redrage Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:36 am

The moment I saw this England side I felt they were in danger of blowing their chance at this RWC. MJ has bottled out of the big decision at 10 and persevered the a front row that cannot help but give away penalties. The players need to take responsibilty for their poor performances and mistakes, but the manager needs to take some of the blame for perserveering with Wilkinson when he is clearly off the boil, for allowing repeat offenders to remain in the starting XV, or not coaching the errors out of them after more than 5 games (if you got back to the Wales loss).

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Post by PJHolybloke Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:37 am

Gatts wrote:best get fresh legs on england

How many are allowed? I suppose 16 is out of the question?

Lawes at 6 and Haskell on the bench, some surefire genius at work there Johnno. Shocked
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Post by Hood83 Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:38 am

PJHolybloke wrote:Well, I'm going to do what a good Englishman should always do in moments of adversity - cuppa cup of tea anyone?

Ha. But i don't like tea, does that make me a terrible Englishman?! I think anymore coffee will send me through the roof watching this. Is it too early to get on the sauce?

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Post by Gatts Sat 08 Oct 2011, 9:39 am

is he being punished

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