Post MATCH discussion THREAD - Wales vs France

by maestegmafia Wed 12 Oct 2011, 8:59 am

First topic message reminder :

Well played France a deserved winner... great effort by Wales but silly mistakes cost us a better result...

Good luck to Australia and New Zealand tomorrow

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:28 am

Great work from AWJ and Charteris at that lineout.

by Davie Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:28 am

Definitely a red. He didn't just drop him, he drove him into the ground

by dubh_linn Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:28 am

No way red ....yellow maybe...cant believe that!!!!!

by maestegmafia Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:28 am

TheGreyGhost wrote:C'mon Seabiscuit, I know you're a recently converted Welshman, but you can't bring those defeatest English attitudes over with you.

Wales can rally behind this and the French will now relax and forget to win.

it may weld the team together...

i am surprised at the decision though...!

very disappointed by Warburton... Silly mistake

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:29 am

We'll find out about those fitness levels now

by nathan Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:29 am

game over for wales Sad

should of been a yellow only.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:29 am

Must admit i don't know much about that lad, i know they rave about him but Eng handled him in the matches they played together but that tackle?

what an idiot.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:31 am

and that looked red to me.. you don't pile drive someone.

by Thomond Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:31 am

Feel bad for Wales but it was a stupid and ridiculous moment from Warburton, you can't decide halfway through a tackle that I'll drop him.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:31 am

For the sake of the match yellow plus a ban from the next match would have been better.

by maestegmafia Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:32 am

Losing Jones and Warburton is the equivilent of the all blacks losing McCaw and Carter...

This may weld the welsh together...

you never know it still 3 all

by R!skysports Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:32 am

Seeing It again I can see why ared

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:33 am

France do seem determined to keep wales in this game, really poor side.

by **rodders** Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:33 am

Medard has lost the plot. I still think Wales can win this.

by GunsGerms Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:33 am

It wasn't a red cause he didn't drive him into the ground.

by valjester Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:33 am

Thomond wrote:Dropping him was worse, than bringing him to ground. I'm not surprised by that decision. Not exactly smart from your captain though, he is inexperienced but he should have been smarter than that.

Wales have an excuse if they lose anyway!

It was extremely stupid by warburton. There has been an IRB directive sent out on those type of tackles. It was at least a yellow card and although a red card is harsh its a fair decision. Like you saying he dropped him on his neck and clerc is lucky that its not worse.

Charteris has been immense in this tournament, another important tackle, totally justifying his place over davies an making me look like a fool for not believing in him.

by maestegmafia Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:33 am

most amazing thing is there has just been the first turn over

by Don Alfonso Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:34 am

Warburton you imbecile. Such a fantastic campaign up to now. What were you thinking?

by Davie Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:34 am

leinsterbaby wrote:It wasn't a red cause he didn't drive him into the ground.

You can't have seen the same pictures we did. "drive him to the ground" is exactly what he did

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:34 am

Twitter going mad over the red card decision. Not seen one person who thins it was the right colour card yet.

Please let Hook slot this.

by Mad for Chelsea Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:35 am

Hook misses another kickable penalty, with Wales a man down they just can't afford that

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:35 am

oh hooks sake...are you wilkinson in disguise
wheres gav when you need him?

by PJHolybloke Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:35 am

I've seen a tip tackle that only got a penalty, so how is that consistent?

If you pick the man up, you have to put him down, if you don't it's a yellow.

If it were consistent, every tip tackle where the player was dropped would have been a red card.

No consistency whatsoever, total bollix.

by **rodders** Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:35 am

Jeebus Hook has lost his kicking boots. Thats a bigger problem for Wales than Warbuton getting sent off.

by Cymroglan Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:36 am

If you want tacklers to have a chance of keeping hold of players then let's get rid of these skin tight shirts
After saying that he should not have lifted him.

by valjester Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:36 am

leinsterbaby wrote:It wasn't a red cause he didn't drive him into the ground.

That's not true, the laws state that you must bring the player safely to the ground. Rolland has sent players off before for this type of tackle, iirc jauzion was sent off against wasps in the hec a few years ago.

by Thomond Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:36 am

Kiwi, rules are rules. He can't give him a yellow for the sake of the game if it was a red card offence in Rolland's eyes he should go. Wales and Warburton must live with the consequences of their idiotic tackle. They're putting in a great effort at the moment and I'm hoping they can maintain it!

by TheGreyGhost Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:37 am

Who is that buffoon doing the commentary? He has no idea what he's talking about.

by BATH_BTGOG Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:37 am

If thats a red then I'd expect to see about 4-5 reds this weekend in the Rabo and Prem, which of course won't happen.

Rolland lost his cool, unless there was something else after the tackle but we don't know as the cameras weren't watching nor were the commentators.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:37 am

Wales seem determined not to win this game...France are woeful so far

by Mad for Chelsea Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:37 am

great work from Bonnaire, Wales are really going to miss Warburton at the breakdown

by **rodders** Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:38 am

The red is justifiable but I don't think there would be too many complaints if it had been yellow.

by BATH_BTGOG Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:39 am

Thats why you don't pick a youngster as captain.

Such a shame for the lad, he looked to pumped up during the anthems as he wasn't singing.

by maestegmafia Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:39 am

considering all that has gone against wales so far we are still playing alright rugby...

wish they would let halfpenny kick what hook cant

by Gatts Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:40 am

Look everyone, the red is fine but in sending him off - clerc is fine - he might as well have blown the final whislte and given the game to france. yellow would have been appropriate and a citing if necessary

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:40 am

TheGreyGhost wrote:Who is that buffoon doing the commentary? He has no idea what he's talking about.

Trouble is if he dares to suggest that Wales arent the best thing ever and may have done something wrong he will get a flood of complaints. The broadcasters bend over backwards to patronise the provinces

by **rodders** Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:40 am

Wales are really missing Priestland. Hook has been pretty poor so far.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:41 am

maestegmafia wrote:considering all that has gone against wales so far we are still playing alright rugby...

wish they would let halfpenny kick what hook cant

They are by far the better side today no question. Only have themsleves to blame if they bow this, it is there for the taking even after the card

by Davie Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:42 am

Gatts wrote: yellow would have been appropriate and a citing if necessary

Citing is for incidents missed at the time. That one wasn't missed - it was dealt with

by Thomond Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:42 am

Gatts, it's not the refs job to make the game a spectacle. If it was a red card offence, then he should have given a red. You suffer the consequences of your decisions. Wales are still well in this.

by Guest Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:42 am

On the plus side, at least Toby gets plenty of practise picking a ball up from a retreating Dragons scrum.

Hook really needs to get his boots on fast though, or we need the Count on and get Halfpenny on the long range efforts.

by TheGreyGhost Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:42 am

It's a very gracious and sporting gesture of the Welsh to go a man down to make the game a better competition. It was looking like a walk over until then.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:43 am

Greeat defence on their own line from Wales it must be said.

by fa0019 Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:43 am

A good ref should take the occasion into consideration. Its a world cup semi final... players will have a little extra adrenaline which is what I think happened with Warburton.

It was a bad tackle, it was a certain yellow. But a red, I'm not convinced.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:44 am

roddersm wrote:Wales are really missing Priestland. Hook has been pretty poor so far.

Aside form his goal kicking i think hes been good. Hes getting the backs in teh game and killing France in the tactical kicking battle

by maestegmafia Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:44 am

Thomond wrote:Gatts, it's not the refs job to make the game a spectacle. If it was a red card offence, then he should have given a red. You suffer the consequences of your decisions. Wales are still well in this.

The ref is closer to the action, he had a good view of it...

THis is what we have... now lets deal with it... no excuses, we are not an excuses team...

C'Mon Wales

by dublin_dave Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:45 am

Next world cup please no music in stops in play. Absolutely naff

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:45 am

Thomond wrote:Kiwi, rules are rules. He can't give him a yellow for the sake of the game if it was a red card offence in Rolland's eyes he should go. Wales and Warburton must live with the consequences of their idiotic tackle. They're putting in a great effort at the moment and I'm hoping they can maintain it!

Sorry Thomond, I didn't express myself clearly. To borrow Rodders' line,

The red is justifiable but I don't think there would be too many complaints if it had been yellow.

And I think had he gotten yellow Warburton's tournament would have been over at match-end

by mckay1402 Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:45 am

F-ck the ref wales can still win this. France already seem to be running out of ideas

by Mad for Chelsea Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:45 am

Wales should take Hook off, he's having a shocker

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