The Wales vs England bickering thread, 2012 - PONIES ALLOWED!

[TycroesOsprey]

First topic message reminder :

OK, every year we see threads that actually contain really good rugby discussion derailed by the ongoing Wales vs England bickering and WUMMING! I will name no names. I guess we have all been guilty .

Since most of the general bickering comes from the respective fans of Wales and England ; I thought I would create a thread for it in an effort to keep decent rugby discussion relatively WUM free in other threads.

So I will begin, An article in the Western Mail today pointed out how England are copying Gatlands youthful approach with a squad that has an average age of 25 and 428 caps between them.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/rugbynation/rugby-news/2012/01/12/analysis-new-look-england-follow-youthful-wales-lead-91466-30105333/

Wales probable squad (once you have taken out Shane and Wellies from the World cup squad with their probable replacements) lines up at the same average age and about 820 caps between them. England are copying Wales' approcach but are way behind. Clearly all things point to a wales victory in HQ this year.

Discuss

post script

Please may I emphasise that this is a bickering and banter thread, whilst mild wumming and banter are allowed please try not to stray over the line of decency.

[english warrior]

View- Is that really chocolate Mousse on your nose??

Or might it be a good helping of 'Humble pie' either way, i kinda like it!!!

[mystiroakey]

famous englishmen

churchill
darwin
brunel
shakespear
lennon
newton

famous welsh

errol(roland rats mate)
garteh thomas(CBB top 3)
tom jones(hairy Muppet who sings caberet)

[english warrior]

Hold on now, because its has recently been proven that Sir Tom (ahem) Jones is virtually 100% English, genetically at least, so take him off the Welsh list, and put him on ours !!

Also add

Dickens
Constable
Turner
D.H Lawrence
Stephenson
Arkwright (Richard, not Bradley)

Righto Wales Your turn 'I'll be back in about 20 seconds and let me say that Bonnie Tyler isn't great!!

[TycroesOsprey]

famous englishmen

churchill
darwin
brunel
shakespear
lennon
newton

famous welsh

errol(roland rats mate)
garteh thomas(CBB top 3)
tom jones(hairy Muppet who sings caberet)

Churchill was half american on his mothers side.
Brunel was half French on his father side.
Lennon was liverpool Irish.

Its Shakespeare by the way, just saying.

[mystiroakey]

tom jones is english- drop me out!!!!

[mystiroakey]

famous englishmen

churchill
darwin
brunel
shakespear
lennon
newton

famous welsh

errol(roland rats mate)
garteh thomas(CBB top 3)
tom jones(hairy Muppet who sings caberet)

Churchill was half american on his mothers side.
Brunel was half French on his father side.
Lennon was liverpool Irish.

Its Shakespeare by the way, just saying.

it doesnt stop them being english and englishmen...

[TycroesOsprey]

And really Churchill is just a rubbish example for your argument. Not only is he half American but his record as Prime Minister doesnt really stack up to Lloyd George. So factually incorrect and poor argument. Must do better.

[mystiroakey]

boooo

[Knowsit17]

Don't know how he's seen in England but in Wales that fella Owain Glyndwr is considered pretty famous. I've never quite been sure why the English have never taken to him

[Guest]

Richard Burton
Antony Hopkins
Catherine Zeta Jones
Calzage

Welsh decent
Bette Davis
Tommy Lee
Tom Cruise
George Bush
Abraham Lincoln
Elihu Yale
Russell Crowe

Bill Frost Welsh carpenter who patented the aeroplane in 1894 and took to the skies in a powered flying machine the following year, eight years before the Wright brothers attempt at Kitty Hawk. Born in Tenby.

William Robert Grove Invented the Fuel Cell. Born in Swansea, 1811

David E. Hughes First transmission of radio waves. Inventor of the microphone and printing telegraph system. A musician and philosopher. Born Corwen, Wales.

Francis Lewis Signatory of the US 'Declaration of Independence' as one of the representatives from New York. Born in Llandaff.

William Morgan (actuary) Inventor of the Vacuum Tube, Coolidge Tube, Britain's first actuary, founding father of modern actuarial science. The unknowing discoverer of x-rays, a hundred and ten years before Roentgen. Born in Bridgend, 1750, died 1830.

Isaac Roberts He pioneered deep space photography at the end of the 19th century. Born in Groes near Denbigh in 1829.

David Thomas in 1837 invented a hot blast furnace process to make iron using anthracite coal in Ystradfera (Swansea Valley). transforming the iron-making process there and later in 1839 after re-locating to Pennsylvania where he became the "father" of the American steel industry with his invention.

No we have had our peeing up the wall competition can we now get back to talking about the rugby and how Wales are looking forward to the Twickers game.

[mystiroakey]

english actors(current)

Daniel day lewis(yes he has a bit of irish in him)
Gary oldman
Ben kinsley(yes abit of ermm Gujarati Indian in him!!!)
Ralph feines(yes he has abit of irish in him)
tom hardy
Michael caine
tom wilkinson
jeremy irons

welsh

hannabal lector and batman.

not bad to be fair, you are starting to improve a tad

[mystiroakey]

"Welsh decent
Bette Davis
Tommy Lee
Tom Cruise
George Bush
Abraham Lincoln
Elihu Yale
Russell Crowe"

lol to welsh decent- i could name a million people with english decent(dont ask me!!)- and the majority of that list has english decent an all!!

Abraham Lincoln (English)
16th President 1861-65 (Samuel Lincoln baptised 1622 in Hingham, Norfolk, England, died in Hingham, Massachusetts.[36][37])

or has wales claimed norfolk since georgey north!!

but fair play anyway good try.

[TycroesOsprey]

Its difficult to remember which of the early american presidents isnt welsh so you should forgive him that MS I mean after Jefforson, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Madison, Coolidge, Bush, Monroe, five or six signatories to the Declaration and from the confederacy both Lee and Jefferson Davies were from welsh stock I think getting lincoln wrong is forgivable.

The Osmonds are from methyr,

Bob Hope was ffrom Cardiff

[mystiroakey]

"
No we have had our peeing up the wall competition can we now get back to talking about the rugby and how Wales are looking forward to the Twickers game"

well offcourse you are, the question is can you lot afford the £7.50 to get back on that bridge!


why is it free your way and not ours!!!

[mystiroakey]

tycoes i think its better to forget about decent ,we would never stop!!! And the fact that you dont even want me mentioning englishmen that arnt pure breeds!

[Guest]

Not of English decent

Dylan Hartley
Alex Corbiesiero
Matt Stevens
Mouritz Botha
Lee Dickson
Joe Simpson
Bradley Barritt
Manu Tuilagi
Charlie Sharples
Thomas Waldrom

swing low sweet chariot going on to raid some borders

[TycroesOsprey]

"
No we have had our peeing up the wall competition can we now get back to talking about the rugby and how Wales are looking forward to the Twickers game"

well offcourse you are, the question is can you lot afford the £7.50 to get back on that bridge!


why is it free your way and not ours!!!

And thats just blindingly obvious, it keeps the English away, were not allowed to gut you with longbows anymore so chagring you £6 (yet again factually incorrect) is the best option. Your as off form as your team MS, really the standard of wumming used to be so much better. Now you guys are just making it up, wheres the real belief in your wum? wheres the creativity? Its just the same old tired style of wum dresssed up as a new wum. A bit like your rugby team really.

[Guest]

Serious answer is because Wales own the bridge "i think"

But of course the real reason is because no one would pay to go to England

[mystiroakey]

Not of English decent

Dylan Hartley
Alex Corbiesiero
Matt Stevens
Mouritz Botha
Lee Dickson
Joe Simpson
Bradley Barritt
Manu Tuilagi
Charlie Sharples
Thomas Waldrom

swing low sweet chariot going on to raid some borders

not bad !!!

i will forget about your inacuracies and take the joke- most are of english decent!

[mystiroakey]

"
No we have had our peeing up the wall competition can we now get back to talking about the rugby and how Wales are looking forward to the Twickers game"

well offcourse you are, the question is can you lot afford the £7.50 to get back on that bridge!


why is it free your way and not ours!!!

And thats just blindingly obvious, it keeps the English away, were not allowed to gut you with longbows anymore so chagring you £6 (yet again factually incorrect) is the best option. Your as off form as your team MS, really the standard of wumming used to be so much better. Now you guys are just making it up, wheres the real belief in your wum? wheres the creativity? Its just the same old tired style of wum dresssed up as a new wum. A bit like your rugby team really.

i went to a wedding in herefordshire and they said we were allowed to longbow you lot on the first sunday of the month. i suppose its still our right!

[TycroesOsprey]

And what does that tell you about the people in Herefordshire MS? and you believed them right?

[mystiroakey]

couldnt believe it the golf course we stayed was decent and only 400 sheets a year membership!!

i was shocked, if thats possible anything is- surely!!

[TycroesOsprey]

wheres the old picard facepalm mods please gods let us have it back.

[mystiroakey]

picard facepalm what was that?

cant you put what you want in with the host an image anyway

[mystiroakey]

fact is its a bit of a shame - but i cant think of much to rip you in regards to your rugby!!

you should take it as a compliment!!!

i saw a welsh film last night mind- it was about a group of welsh from a wee village that put mud on top of a hill to try and classify it as a mountain- wtf is that all about??

[Guest]

Don't get me started on that film!!!!

Why the F did they dig up half the village and transport 900+ft up when they could have just dug some out of the side of the hill/mountain which isn't facing the village?????????

Dumb idiots.

[mystiroakey]

Don't get me started on that film!!!!

Why the F did they dig up half the village and transport 900+ft up when they could have just dug some out of the side of the hill/mountain which isn't facing the village?????????

Dumb idiots.

lol

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Not of English decent

Dylan Hartley
Alex Corbiesiero
Matt Stevens
Mouritz Botha
Lee Dickson
Joe Simpson
Bradley Barritt
Manu Tuilagi
Charlie Sharples
Thomas Waldrom

swing low sweet chariot going on to raid some borders

Yeah means you cant take the pee when you beat that team, it aint England :p

[mystiroakey]

IF they wear the rose they are english, just like your lads are welsh. well apart from when they wanna defect to scotland that is

[Guest]

Can't blame the lad with Preistland and Hook in a team he don't stand a chance of a cap in the near future.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

So who was keeping Glyndwr out the team when he represented England against France in 1387?
I notice you lot ignored the rules about being tied once youd sworn alleigance to a king back then

[Guest]

It's all means to an end.
So then how do you guys reckon your merry band Barbarians will fair against Italy's mix match of Nations?

[mystiroakey]

its gonna be easier than people on here think.


england by 15 plus

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Robert Record, from Pembrokeshire, invented the = symbol. So next time you write 'Wales = rubbish,' remember it's a Welshman who allows you to do it!

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Robert Record, from Pembrokeshire, invented the = symbol. So next time you write 'Wales = rubbish,' remember it's a Welshman who allows you to do it!

(Pemborkenrecordshire)

[english warrior]

Tycroes- Owne Glyndowr, well i think a lot of Englishmen have heard of him, certainly i have, but he kind of disappears in to the list of Rebels that we have obliterated, and as for Bob Hope, well he was born in Eltham in London, but unsure of his ancestry before that.


But lads it is tue that Sir Tom (ahem) Jones has been found out to be of English descent, primarily from Bristol area who settled in Wales during the Boom years of 'King coal'.

[english warrior]

Wales = Rubbish ?

Personally i can't think of a finer use for any symbol, thanks Luckless.

[Breadvan]

Not of English decent

Dylan Hartley
Alex Corbiesiero
Matt Stevens
Mouritz Botha
Lee Dickson
Joe Simpson
Bradley Barritt
Manu Tuilagi
Charlie Sharples
Thomas Waldrom

swing low sweet chariot going on to raid some borders

Grannygate view, granny...............gate. Ever heard of that?

[english warrior]

Shane Howarth, Anyone ? wasn't it because of him that the term 'Grannygate' was started??

[eirebilly]

I love this thread, some very comical things.

One thing i do love about the Welsh fans though, is no matter where they are, win or lose, give them a few drinks and they all think they are Tom Jones. Love it dearly, always a great atmosphere

[miteyironpaw]

Not of English decent

Dylan Hartley
Alex Corbiesiero
Matt Stevens
Mouritz Botha
Lee Dickson
Joe Simpson
Bradley Barritt
Manu Tuilagi
Charlie Sharples
Thomas Waldrom

swing low sweet chariot going on to raid some borders

Grannygate view, granny...............gate. Ever heard of that?

Personally I think we in England should club together, and buy a house for NZ 7's wing Halai. I watched the highlights of the Wellington 7's last night, and apparently this guy can't get a contract to play 15's in NZ. But he's like a bigger, faster version of George North, but with actual talent. If we could get him out here, look into his ancestory and if we can't dig up a grandmother, then he'd be well qualified prior to 2015 and that's the main thing!

[HERSH]

Why do people rate North so highly?

He just looks like another Banahan.

[dogtooth]

Why do people rate North so highly?

He just looks like another Banahan.

do you want to swap?

[mystiroakey]

yawnnn- mod just blocked a good wales v england banter.

now there hasnt been a post on here for 20 minutes.

wales winning percentage 51.11
wc win % to low to register on wiki

england 53.33
wc win% 72.5

[Guest]

Wales v England world cup stats won one lost one points for 33 points against 31!

So can i just say this side of the imaginary line called a border is better than your side so

[mystiroakey]

omg have we only played twice!!

wouldnt have guessed that

[Guest]

omg have we only played twice!!

wouldnt have guessed that

At least when we beat Wales we had the decency to go and win the whole thing so at least Wales could say they were beaten by the winners (moral victory)

[english warrior]

1987 and
2003.

In 2003, we went on to win the World cup away from home in the SH and Wales didn't.

[Guest]

England have always had a nice world cup draw having played Argentina twice, Georgia twice, Italy three times, Japan once, Romania once, Tonga twice, USA three times and Uruguay once!!!!

No wonder you guy do so well and get out of the group stages so easy.

[Guest]

2003 Wales out scoring England on 3 tries to 1,
Good first half from Wales Sir Clive lynched the ref in the tunnel at half time and low and behold Wales got pinged off the park in the second half.

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