The Wales vs England bickering thread, 2012 - PONIES ALLOWED!

[TycroesOsprey]

First topic message reminder :

OK, every year we see threads that actually contain really good rugby discussion derailed by the ongoing Wales vs England bickering and WUMMING! I will name no names. I guess we have all been guilty .

Since most of the general bickering comes from the respective fans of Wales and England ; I thought I would create a thread for it in an effort to keep decent rugby discussion relatively WUM free in other threads.

So I will begin, An article in the Western Mail today pointed out how England are copying Gatlands youthful approach with a squad that has an average age of 25 and 428 caps between them.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/rugbynation/rugby-news/2012/01/12/analysis-new-look-england-follow-youthful-wales-lead-91466-30105333/

Wales probable squad (once you have taken out Shane and Wellies from the World cup squad with their probable replacements) lines up at the same average age and about 820 caps between them. England are copying Wales' approcach but are way behind. Clearly all things point to a wales victory in HQ this year.

Discuss

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Please may I emphasise that this is a bickering and banter thread, whilst mild wumming and banter are allowed please try not to stray over the line of decency.

[mystiroakey]

you never know you might even be a seed in 2015!

[bedfordwelsh]

Why do people rate North so highly?

He just looks like another Banahan.

What Banahan who couldn't run over the monster that is Shane Williams or is there another Banahan out there

[Guest]

I remember when Williams dragged him to floor shocking for such a big guy.

North has good feet Banahan has the turning circle of the QE2

[Morgannwg]

Anyone else feel that HERSH is slipping away with his new found/very low standard of WUMs? It's just like the repetitive rubbish that we used to see on 606.

[Morgannwg]

Anyone else feel that HERSH is slipping away with his new found/very low standard of WUMs? It's just like the repetitive rubbish that we used to see on 606.

[Guest]

Yep i agree, hersh is just like Bath RFC full of promise and happy to talk himself up but flops like jelly off a plate.

[Morgannwg]

Oh yeah, his mighty Bath. How did they go against Leinster again?

[TycroesOsprey]

2003 the redemption of Shane. tells Hansen to foff and becomes a rugby superstar

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

I remember when Williams dragged him to floor shocking for such a big guy.

North has good feet Banahan has the turning circle of the QE2

Laugh it up, england still won despite the 300lb handicap weight.

Shane will get his chance to fell the North at the Barbarians game, i guess well find out which one is overhyped there.

[mystiroakey]

banaham is a monster!!!

i was hopeing he would do well for england- maybe deserves another carck!

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

banaham is a monster!!!

i was hopeing he would do well for england- maybe deserves another carck!

[mystiroakey]

thats a no from you then seahobnob.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

I remember when Williams dragged him to floor shocking for such a big guy.

North has good feet Banahan has the turning circle of the QE2

Laugh it up, england still won despite the 300lb handicap weight.

Shane will get his chance to fell the North at the Barbarians game, i guess well find out which one is overhyped there.

England lost that game quoted insult removed - KRD.

Oops thought it was the week before

Moral victors anyway

[mystiroakey]

moral victors?

blimey if you take away the occasional win they get of us they wont have any left!!

[Guest]

Nope Wales had the moral victory the week before by scoring more tries than England.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Its no moral victory when you have North and Swilliams in your side, how the hell were England supposed to score tries with a backline including Hape Tindall Cueto and Banahan?

They were missing the worlds best winger for both games

[TycroesOsprey]

moral victors?

blimey if you take away the occasional win they get of us they wont have any left!!

Isnt it pretty much evens in victories at the moment? one of us may be ahead by one could be England could be Wales but its somthing like 65 all. So that would be victories about 50% of the time hardly occasional.

Now I have to ask you two questions.

Did you take any notice of rugby before 2003?
When was the last time you went to a live match that wasnt an international?

[mystiroakey]

moral victors?

blimey if you take away the occasional win they get of us they wont have any left!!

Isnt it pretty much evens in victories at the moment? one of us may be ahead by one could be England could be Wales but its somthing like 65 all. So that would be victories about 50% of the time hardly occasional.

Now I have to ask you two questions.

Did you take any notice of rugby before 2003?
When was the last time you went to a live match that wasnt an international?

its a joke tycoes, chill your beans dude! and i dont have to explain myself to ya. but yeah i have been a fan of rugby since i was a nipper. only interntaional really mind- try and keep up with the odd premiership or HC . But i love all sports in general. I am sport mad , talk about them all- wish the other sporst on here were abit busier in fairness.

i hate the snobbish sports fans that just rip other types of fans up(from all sides)- its sickening. Its ok to like all sports and talk about them. We dont have to be rugby union fanatics that slate wendyball fans to talk on here.

This is a bickering thread- which you stuck on here- take the comment for what it was, dont get all odd about it, i am sure you have heard worse!

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Oh yeah, his mighty Bath. How did they go against Leinster again?

Almost beat them at the Rec, in fairness.

[HERSH]

The trouble with George North is that his still growing, I can't see him staying on the wing for too much longer, maybe a ready made replacement for Jamie Roberts?

But the trouble with this type of player is that injuries will catch up with him at some point, I can see North have one or two long layoffs within the next 3/4 years.

I'll be surprised if he gets more than 50 caps in his career.

[english warrior]

Let the Welsh take all the 'Moral victorys' that they want and leave us with the Victory's and the silverware. By the way, have i ever mentioned that England are the only NH side to have won the Webb-Ellis!! And Wales haven't!!

[damage_13]

actually Hersh I rather hope he stays fit and becomes as good as he can be, regardless of position. He has the SH white line fever look about him that many NH players could do with (particularly the scots).

Too many times players of good physical attributes have this 'threat' of taking players with them and off-loading/breaking the gain line targeting space/being the second support runner coached out of them.

Lawrence Dallaglio had this after his sevens and showed it at times (like against NZ) but slowed down going into contact and too often looked for the offload without seeing what he could do to break out of the tackle.

[HERSH]

I hope so too Damage_13, can't wait to see him in a Lions shirt.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

I hope so too Damage_13, can't wait to see him in a Lions shirt.

Ive already placed an order for one of the "Nike Lions 2013 tour slam winners" shirts, have you seen the Henson photoshoot they did for it?

[mckay1402]

Henson for Lions captain 2013

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Henson for Lions captain 2013

Surely Shingler?

[damngoodOvalball]

moral victors?

blimey if you take away the occasional win they get of us they wont have any left!!

Isnt it pretty much evens in victories at the moment? one of us may be ahead by one could be England could be Wales but its somthing like 65 all. So that would be victories about 50% of the time hardly occasional.

Pretty close according to RugbyData.com, in all England v Wales matches;

England 56 wins
Wales 54 wins
12 draws
England highest score (biggest winning margin): 62 (57)
Wales highest score (biggest winning margin): 34 (25)
Average points score in all games: England 13 - 11 Wales

Last ten years
Since March 2002, England and Wales have played 15 games. England winning 10, Wales 5.

[damngoodOvalball]

Last 5 years (since March 2007) both teams have won 4 games each. (5 6N games and 3 RWC warm ups)

[mystiroakey]

moral victors?

blimey if you take away the occasional win they get of us they wont have any left!!

Isnt it pretty much evens in victories at the moment? one of us may be ahead by one could be England could be Wales but its somthing like 65 all. So that would be victories about 50% of the time hardly occasional.

Pretty close according to RugbyData.com, in all England v Wales matches;

England 56 wins
Wales 54 wins
12 draws
England highest score (biggest winning margin): 62 (57)
Wales highest score (biggest winning margin): 34 (25)
Average points score in all games: England 13 - 11 Wales

Last ten years
Since March 2002, England and Wales have played 15 games. England winning 10, Wales 5.

seems like a low average points.

anyone know if thats close to the norm?

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

The low points average comes from games played under different rulsets and lower scores for tries etc.

Total points in the recent games I wouldve thought were pretty average.

[mystiroakey]

"
The low points average comes from games played under different rulsets and lower scores for tries etc"

that makes sense- i though it was to low.

[Guest]

Yeah rugbydata is good for looking at stats between two sides

http://www.rugbydata.com/england/wales/gamesplayed

On 8 Jan 1887 there was a cracking 0-0 draw between the sides. I think emack was there

Apologies for not bickering on this post. I know it's off topic

[mystiroakey]

cheers for the link.

it would be nice if they had- total tries, total converstions, total penalties, then we could work out a more realistic scoring differnce between teams.and also be able to judge teams v teams based on time periods as well.

(i know england have averaged over 20 against wales over the last 10 or so years- from a rough count up)



i wish they had that for football as well.

if only everything was like cricinfo!

[Guest]

All that matters is the last game they played against each other.

[mystiroakey]

actaully they have some good trend tables- average points scored per game in 2003 was over 50!!

2010 only 45.

better defenses, changing in the way refs view the law, teams getting closer in terms of quailty(not so many whipping boys)

[mystiroakey]

All that matters is the last game they played against each other.

yeah but i am stat mad, nothing to do with our rivalry

[Guest]

Well stats would suggest that Wakes will lose in Twickers on our next meeting.

[mystiroakey]

Well stats would suggest that Wakes will lose in Twickers on our next meeting.

you have to weigh in abit more info than just historic stats- however we are tough to beat at home, and should have some good players back in. gonna be a great game- people on here will be shouting about 10-60 style scorelines- lol they will just look silly afterwards

[Guest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy9ahXV6OO0&feature=g-vrec&context=G2b8931eRVAAAAAAAAAg

[mystiroakey]

abit old that one- havent you valley dudes made any other tributes to proove your obvious love for us english

[Guest]

Yep i married one of your women !!!!

[mystiroakey]

you kids are english !!!

i hope they support the right team

[damngoodOvalball]

Yep i married one of your women !!!!

That explains a lot

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

I can only assume she was from Liverpool

[eirebilly]

I can only assume she was from Liverpool

Would'nt she then be of Irish blood?

[damngoodOvalball]

I can only assume she was from Liverpool

Would'nt she then be of Irish blood?

First lesson of colonialism, there are some places you should just never claim...

[Luckless Pedestrian]

I can only assume she was from Liverpool

Would'nt she then be of Irish blood?

Plenty of Welsh in Liverpool, Billy. Haven't you heard of Gwladys Street, for a start?

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

So if its full of Welsh and Irish how come the English still get the blame for that resevoir? It does explain a lot about the place mind

[Woodstock]

It was not Liverpool's fault but the disgusting hovel called westminster and silly guffawing english anglo saxon types.

Suffice to say it would never happen again.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Quite right, no point in wasting money giving water to people who dont wash.

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