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Post by wrfc1980 Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:36 pm

I hope I'm not going to cause a argument here but I have noticed that fans from Munster Leinster etc seem to also support Ulster. However, surely Ulster is a British team as they are governed as part of the United Kingdom where as Munster and Leinster are republic of Irelend provinces. I would be interested to hear the views from Munster, Connaught, & Leinster fans why they share this affinity to a team from the United Kingdom?

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Post by Notch Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:38 pm

Oh ffs, get lost! Seriously?

Just go.
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Post by Artful_Dodger Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:39 pm

Agree - beat it wrfc.

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Post by Notch Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:40 pm

Ulster is a British team- why don't you try that line in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal!
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Post by asoreleftshoulder Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:41 pm

2/3rd U.K. 1/3rd Irish if you go by counties.The fact that the Ulster players play for Ireland is why we support tehm.Oh and Northern Ireland is not part of Britain it's called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

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Post by Guest Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:43 pm

thanks for your clear answer asoreleftshoulder, I was struggling to come up with a way to state it clearly (I'm not feeling so great so brain not fuctioning).

Hope that's cleared up the matter for you wrfc1980. Mind you I thought it was a well known fact about Ulster, but ah well.

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Post by Feckless Rogue Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:44 pm

I hope I'm not going to cause a argument here

Liar, liar pants on fire.

We like them because their best players represent us too when they play for the island of Ireland. Irish rugby stays well clear of politics. Maybe we should follow that example and knock this thread on the head.
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Post by wrfc1980 Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:46 pm

Sorry if I have offended Notch, if you tell me what is so offensive about my post I will gladly edit it. There's no need to get so aggresive.

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Post by Guest Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:47 pm

I think tis coz you are just mistaken, wrfc1980.

As Feckless has pointed out, Ulster players represent Ireland in rugby. Politics has no part in it. In rugby Ulster are linked with Ireland, hence all the other provinces supporting them.

Think that's the matter resolved, no?

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Post by Notch Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:48 pm

You're right pal. I am sorry.

I am rather tense right now due to the rugby and I snapped which was wrong. Hope you accept my apology Hug

But yeah, it's lot more complex than that. Ireland has always been united in rugby. That's the short answer.
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Post by wrfc1980 Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:49 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:2/3rd U.K. 1/3rd Irish if you go by counties.The fact that the Ulster players play for Ireland is why we support tehm.Oh and Northern Ireland is not part of Britain it's called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Thanks asoreleftshoulder - I guess that answers my question, I didn't appreciate that 1/3rd of the counties were Irish.

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Post by Notch Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:54 pm

Wrong thread!


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Post by Guest Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:54 pm

I think people need to stop being so sensitive. He only asked a question. Blimey.

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Post by Notch Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:56 pm

Safe- it's easy to forget the ignorance which exists over in Britain about Ireland. But thats not the fault of the OP.

I was silly to react like that and I do apologise.
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Post by Guest Sat 21 Jan 2012, 5:00 pm

Notch, we have the same problems with the 'Ridings' in Yorkshire Smile

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Post by Notch Sat 21 Jan 2012, 5:05 pm

The where? Smile Whistle

To be honest I just read the title, which is fairly incendiary stuff, thought 'here we go' Rolling Eyes

Then I actually read the post and realised it was a sincere post. Silly, silly boy. Very embarrasses
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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 21 Jan 2012, 5:13 pm

I would of thought that the reason Munster support Ulster is because they are both "IRISH TEAMS" and they play together in the IRISH NATIONAL TEAM. simple realy.

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Post by Gibson Sat 21 Jan 2012, 5:40 pm

4 Provinces. ONE country under Rugby.

We are going to get a lot of this lads. It comes with our combined success in the HC and the abject failure of others.

Just take it in and smile that inner-smile. Ulster - British or Irish? 346548009



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Post by Pot Hale Sat 21 Jan 2012, 5:44 pm

wrfc1980 wrote:I hope I'm not going to cause a argument here but I have noticed that fans from Munster Leinster etc seem to also support Ulster. However, surely Ulster is a British team as they are governed as part of the United Kingdom where as Munster and Leinster are republic of Irelend provinces. I would be interested to hear the views from Munster, Connaught, & Leinster fans why they share this affinity to a team from the United Kingdom?

I don't want to cause an argument here, but I find this question simply astonishing. If you follow rugby in any way, you would know that Ulster is on the island of Ireland. You would also know that Ulster players play for the Ireland team. Even if you went by those two widely known facts, your question would be largely redundant.

So, wrfc, why did you ask it? What information did you not know that led you to ask it? I'm really curious.
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Post by Cymroglan Sat 21 Jan 2012, 5:49 pm

He asked it because he knew he would get plenty of bites.
Makes a change he was not having a go at Wales though.

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Post by rodders Sat 21 Jan 2012, 5:51 pm

Rugby is an all Ireland sport with an all Ireland governing body. Ulster rugby is based in Belfast which is in the UK and represents the county of Ulster in which 3 counties are in the Rep of Ireland and 6 in NI.

There are no borders in Irish rugby.

Ulster are an Irish province. Leprechaun
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Post by Gibson Sat 21 Jan 2012, 5:52 pm

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Post by Pot Hale Sat 21 Jan 2012, 5:55 pm

roddersm wrote:Rugby is an all Ireland sport with an all Ireland governing body. Ulster rugby is based in Belfast which is in the UK and represents the county of Ulster in which 3 counties are in the Rep of Ireland and 6 in NI.

There are no borders in Irish rugby.

Ulster are an Irish province. Leprechaun

Ulster is an Ireland province. Tsk, Tsk. Smile
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Post by wrfc1980 Sat 21 Jan 2012, 5:55 pm

Pot Hale - I don't support Toulon just because Jonny Wilkinson plays for them, nor do I support Gloucester in Europe (I'm a Worcester fan) just because they have players that play for England. Therefore I discounted, maybe incorrectly that just because some Ulster players play for the Irish rugby team that Muster, Leinster fans etc would support them.
To answer your other point, Wales is on the island of Great Britain, do you support the English teams against the Irish regions just because we share the same island? I thought not....

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Post by rodders Sat 21 Jan 2012, 6:01 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
roddersm wrote:Rugby is an all Ireland sport with an all Ireland governing body. Ulster rugby is based in Belfast which is in the UK and represents the county of Ulster in which 3 counties are in the Rep of Ireland and 6 in NI.

There are no borders in Irish rugby.

Ulster are an Irish province. Leprechaun

Ulster is an Ireland province. Tsk, Tsk. Smile

Doh
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Post by Feckless Rogue Sat 21 Jan 2012, 6:05 pm

Just forget about political borders and think in terms of rugby unions. The Welsh union is separate from the English one. The Irish union is one entity for the island of Ireland. The Irish and Welsh tend to root for all their provinces/regions, because of the close link between them and the test team. And that's it explained really.
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Post by Notch Sat 21 Jan 2012, 6:27 pm

Oh, it is a WUM after all. Never mind.
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Post by Pot Hale Sat 21 Jan 2012, 6:35 pm

wrfc1980 wrote:Pot Hale - I don't support Toulon just because Jonny Wilkinson plays for them, nor do I support Gloucester in Europe (I'm a Worcester fan) just because they have players that play for England. Therefore I discounted, maybe incorrectly that just because some Ulster players play for the Irish rugby team that Muster, Leinster fans etc would support them.
To answer your other point, Wales is on the island of Great Britain, do you support the English teams against the Irish regions just because we share the same island? I thought not....

Wrfc, you didn't answer my question though. What information did you not know that led you to ask the question? Did you not know that Ulster is part of the Ireland Rugby Football Union? Did you not know how the provinces of Ireland are made up in terms of counties? Do you really believe that Ulster Rugby is a British rugby team whose players play for Ireland and for other provinces?

I don't understand your last point. You ask if I support English teams against the Irish regions just because they share the same island? They don't share the same island. Irish regions are based on the island of Ireland. English teams are based on the island of Great Britain. It would depend on who is playing and the circumstances, for example, if it affected the outcome of a H Cup pool, then possibly yes.

PS I don't support or live in Wales in case that's what you think.


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Post by Golden Sat 21 Jan 2012, 6:39 pm

Lads cant beleive this got this many posts.

wrfc1980 presumably at least 31 and cant figure this out?? Clearly a WUM

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Post by Notch Sat 21 Jan 2012, 6:40 pm

Or is it? chin

I used to be able to tell. The question of the national identity of the people hailing from the six counties of NI is a very complex issue. We have the right to carry an Irish passport, a British passport, or both. I myself have an Irish one.

But the great thing about rugby is it wouldn't matter if I had a British one or whatever- we're all Irishmen together. The national team represents two countries and one rugby nation, and being members of that rugby nation we love to see our brothers in arms do well.
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Post by rodders Sat 21 Jan 2012, 6:44 pm

You'll find the answer here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ufcQe5D27s

Yahoo guinness
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Post by Pot Hale Sat 21 Jan 2012, 6:45 pm

Notch wrote:. The national team represents two countries and one rugby nation, and being members of that rugby nation we love to see our brothers in arms do well.

That's exactly the point Notch. I would have figured anyone with a basic understanding of NH rugby would know this. But hey, maybe not. In Worcestershire anyway.... Smile
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Post by ME-109 Sat 21 Jan 2012, 6:48 pm

Ulster British or irish? Neither...they are martian and they speak with funny accents...

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Post by rodders Sat 21 Jan 2012, 6:51 pm

Martians are green too DOD Leprechaun Hug
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Post by ME-109 Sat 21 Jan 2012, 6:52 pm

They can be orange as well...(just for balance of course)

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Post by Notch Sat 21 Jan 2012, 6:54 pm

Green or Orange, we're all just pasty and White at the end of the day Wink
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And sunburned on occassions.

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Sure we're all the same when we're lying over the ball and commiting breakingdown skullduggery Wink Hug
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Post by Feckless Rogue Sat 21 Jan 2012, 7:05 pm

We all frighten England together. And we're all terrified of the French together.
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Post by Dave. Sat 21 Jan 2012, 7:06 pm

DOD wrote:Ulster British or irish? Neither...they are martian and they speak with funny accents...

Nah that's just Ballymena. Lovely girls though.

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Ballymartian girls?

I won't have a bad word said about them. Their green hair and curly teeth are my favourite features.
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Post by GunsGerms Sat 21 Jan 2012, 7:48 pm

Anyone know why Ulster fans sang "Swing low.." v Leicester. Was it to rub salt in wounds or pledge allegiance. Just kidding. Was awesome, should have won today too if you ask me. SUFTU!! Mon Ulster.

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Post by mankiaow Sat 21 Jan 2012, 7:53 pm

Poor chap, stirred up a veritable hornets nest. I don't think it's a wum and it's not an unreasonable question for the uninitiated.

It does make me proud of the game of rugby though.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 21 Jan 2012, 8:20 pm

Notch wrote:. The national team represents two countries and one rugby nation, and being members of that rugby nation we love to see our brothers in arms do well.
Gibson wrote:No bites from moi. Just a sympathetic cuddle. Ulster - British or Irish? 769663
Notch wrote:Green or Orange, we're all just pasty and White at the end of the day Wink
DOD wrote:And sunburned on occassions.
roddersm wrote:Sure we're all the same when we're lying over the ball and commiting breakingdown skullduggery Wink Hug
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mankiaow wrote:It does make me proud of the game of rugby though.
Absolute Truth

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Post by rodders Sat 21 Jan 2012, 8:24 pm

leinsterbaby wrote:Anyone know why Ulster fans sang "Swing low.." v Leicester. Was it to rub salt in wounds or pledge allegiance. Just kidding. Was awesome, should have won today too if you ask me. SUFTU!! Mon Ulster.

That was just...well... thats the Ulster sense of humour for you....just slaggin like..... Whistle Wink
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Post by Gibson Sat 21 Jan 2012, 8:47 pm

Notch wrote:Green or Orange, we're all just pasty and White at the end of the day Wink

And freckles. Dont forget de freckles. And the RED hair.

And 3 teams in the HC QF's

How ja loike dem freckles.Huh?
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Post by rodders Sat 21 Jan 2012, 8:54 pm

Gibson wrote:
And 3 teams in the HC QF's

How ja loike dem freckles.Huh?

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Post by Guest Sat 21 Jan 2012, 8:56 pm

Gibson wrote:How ja loike dem freckles.Huh?
Fair play, that made me laugh out loud Laugh

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Post by Gretgael1 Sat 21 Jan 2012, 8:59 pm

Stuart Barnes did call Ulster the team from Northern Ireland during the game today. Many people outside of Ireland don't know that the province of Ulster also includes 3 counties from the Republic. Anyway, nearly every irish rugby fan I know supports all 4 provinces once they're not playing each other, and rightly so.

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Post by rodders Sat 21 Jan 2012, 9:07 pm

Gretgael1 wrote: Anyway, nearly every irish rugby fan I know supports all 4 provinces once they're not playing each other, and rightly so.

Absolutely man..people outside Ireland may not understand our set up...it doesn't matter what passports we have or what church we attend, if any, when we pull on the jersey and put on our boots we represent Ireland and Irish rugby...we fight and bleed together, and when we bleed..we bleed green... guinness Leprechaun
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