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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 9:04 am

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Jun 2012, 1:31 pm

Rennie is a good 7 but warbs Is top
Class. He was secOnd to pocock yesterday but still played well

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 10 Jun 2012, 1:33 pm

Yea he's been great for Dragons. Loads of options in the backrow, big season for Morgan who needs to get fit.

Warbs & Ferris on the flanks at this stage. Robshaw is really growing & Lydiate, Rennie & SOB will be close depending on form over the next year.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 10 Jun 2012, 1:35 pm

True.

can't discount the likes of Wood or Croft either with a good season behind them.

I fancy JJ to get himself a place with an injury free season.

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Jun 2012, 1:37 pm

Big battle at glos this season with ferris and Alberts fighting for the 6 spot.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 10 Jun 2012, 1:38 pm

I have a few problems in the back row as well. Problem is I am reluctant to sell any of them.

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Jun 2012, 1:41 pm

May have to move Alberts to 8. I like him when he plays 8.

He can also play 4 well.


Your backrow is looking sweet Steve. 6n may hurt though

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 10 Jun 2012, 1:48 pm

Is an issue.

Fearns, Hooper and Henry atm. Although 2 of them could get called up with a few injuries.

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Post by Driver Sun 10 Jun 2012, 5:10 pm

Barritt has underwent surgery on his eye injuries.
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Post by Driver Sun 10 Jun 2012, 5:11 pm

And is ruled out of 2nd test.
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Post by Guest Sun 10 Jun 2012, 5:14 pm

That's good news in that Lancaster will be forced to pick a more attacking side. Alternatively he may stick Farrell there

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 10 Jun 2012, 5:52 pm

I think he will play Flood there myself as the only change.

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Post by Driver Sun 10 Jun 2012, 6:46 pm

Have a few players available for cash
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Post by Guest Sun 10 Jun 2012, 7:09 pm

All the sites saying Farrell to be moved to 12.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 10 Jun 2012, 7:13 pm

Not a fan of Farrell in midfield at all but he'd be less of an influence on attacking play from there. Why wouldn't we start Allen??

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Post by Driver Sun 10 Jun 2012, 7:23 pm

I have one of Alexander or Kruger for sale.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 10 Jun 2012, 7:55 pm

Evening all

first chance I've had to get on, been a mental weekend at work, will try to catch up with bids and stuff either this evening or tomorrow.
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Post by dammit_chris Sun 10 Jun 2012, 10:04 pm

So Mike Brown is ruled out of the tour with a fractured finger - Abendanon called up as already at a wedding in SA.

Foden at 15 with JJ on the wing?

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Jun 2012, 10:05 pm

Wlll strettle be fit ?? Would like to see jj given a go

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 10 Jun 2012, 10:10 pm

Be a easier introduction on wing rather than 13 against SA midfield. Don't think it's his best position by a long shot.

I'd prefer JJ at 13 and Tuilagi on wing but easier said than done at this stage

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 10 Jun 2012, 10:25 pm

We will miss Brown in J'Berg.

It gets interesting now.

I don't think we will see anything other than Farrell/Flood as 10 and 12 in some fashion. Tuilagi at 13. Reckon we will see Strettle or JJ on the other wing.

I would like to see Allen given a go at 12.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 10 Jun 2012, 11:24 pm

With the game at altitude will we carry on with the two kickers in the backline?

11. Foden
15. Goode
14. Ashton

I'd forgot Goode had travelled, has a very astute kicking game and Lancaster is a fan.

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 11 Jun 2012, 6:37 am

Lancaster has to change his tactIcs and go on the offensive as if we try and cOntain the Boks again we could lose by 30-40points.

Think it will be a midfield of:

Flood
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Post by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 8:49 am

I cant see goode starting. he is a good and solid under the high ball.

Wish he had a modicum of pace as he is a really intelligent footballer

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 11 Jun 2012, 8:51 am

Just looking over stats from SA game. From our front 5:

Parling made 17m, Botha 5m, Cole 3m....Marler & Hartley 0m

Morgan made most metres with 43 and Robshaw most tackles with 16 and 0 missed.

Tuilagi recieve the ball 13 times and passed once, making 12 runs.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 11 Jun 2012, 9:07 am

SA front row alone made 41m....

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 11 Jun 2012, 9:44 am

Cole certainly made more metres than than.

If we can keep predos open till tomorrow morni g I'll get them in. Working in Edinburgh today.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 11 Jun 2012, 10:09 am

Those metres made don't seem right to me. Where did Parlings 17m come from?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 11 Jun 2012, 10:20 am

http://www.espnscrum.com/england-tour-2012/rugby/match/154472.html

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 11 Jun 2012, 10:21 am

I think the thing that is missed with Tuilagi is that he is also taking c rap ball, with no one putting him into the right areas - that should change a lot with FLood coming into the team, but Farrell and Barritt have next to no creativity - so when Tuilagi gets the ball he's pretty much taking it into contact as no one has created the space, or given any other options.

It's so frustrating watching Englands backplay at the moemnt, Youngs has to speed up his service but I think its also a case of when Farrell plays 10 he doesnt have the leadership required to help YOungs out more - think everyone forgets that Youngs cant be much older than 21/22 and is also very inexperienced.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 11 Jun 2012, 10:23 am

I mean where did they come from in the game. I can't remember him making any big carry.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 11 Jun 2012, 10:50 am

JJ not training with midweek side. Sounds like he will start

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:10 am

Did anyone see the pictures of Barritts face this morning? Jeez looks like he's been assaulted by 20 people! He's back for final test though.

Are sky showing the midweek games? Also what day is the u20game being played v SA?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:18 am

tuesday 5.45 for under 20's

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:19 am

Just watching the England v SA game now.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:23 am

Am half an hour in and the accuracy and quality of Youngs passing has been terrible.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:26 am

What about Farrells?

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:28 am

Was waiting for the Holly Wilaboobie for tat comment pooly and knew you wouldn't disappoint Wink
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:30 am

Love the swear filter here! Laugh

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:31 am

When Farrell has passed the quality of the pass has generally been ok, the issue with him so far in this game from what I have seen has been more about taking the wrong option for the situation.

I'm only half an hour in but have to say that from what I have seen so far this looks like a game that England could have won if they had made better decisions in terms of game management.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:32 am

What did you try to say pete?

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:33 am

Im guessing t.i.t. fot tat Laugh

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:34 am

Not all Pete just think if you're going to knock Youngs for something Farrell needs to be commented in as his was terrible at times.

Wait till you see the try though, gorgeous pass from Farrell

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:36 am

Farrells main issue is he passes behind the man too much, never takes the ball up and chooses wrong options at key moments in opp territory

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:41 am

Not trying to knock him Pooly, merely commenting on what I was seeing. What I noticed with Youngs first half is that even the accurate passes lacked fizz with no spin on the ball.

I don't think a Youngs/Farrell combination works, especially with Barritt at 12 as there is no experience there and nobody to step in if things aren't going well. Youngs, Flood, Farrell as 9/10/12 may work in the second test as although Farrell doesn't provide a real running threat from 12, he will have more time to distribute with Flood and Youngs providing a threat from 9/10.

Manu's decision making and seeming inability to pass is a real issue as well.

We need to provide an attacking threat against the Boks and make them think defensively as if we just bash it up they will defend that all day.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 11 Jun 2012, 11:44 am

I would prefer Dickson with Farrell, think they suit each others game.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:12 pm

terrible tackle attempt by Brown for JDV's try. I presume that is how he got injured. Not a lot of sympathy as if he had tackled properly he may not have got injured.
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Post by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:35 pm

What time are they naming the team for wednesday??

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:36 pm

3.30 Mat

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:39 pm

Just finished watching the game. Think we have to be disappointed with that and Lancaster needs to think about the gameplan. Seemed like we wanted to play a power game against the Boks, which was never going to work as they had more power in the side than us.

My team for next weekend would be...

15. Foden
14. Ashton
13. Joseph
12. Farrell
11. Tuilagi
10. Flood
9. Youngs

1. Corbisiero (if fit)
2. Hartey
3. Cole
4. Palmer
5. Parling
6. Johnson
7. Robshaw
8. Haskell

16. Gray
17. Marler
18. Botha
19. Morgan
20. Care
21. JTH
22. Wade
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Post by dammit_chris Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:54 pm

Farrell also has the problem of hardly having spent any time playing at no10 for his club, he was brought up as a no12 all through the youth system - when Houghard got injured at Sarries they used him as an emergency no10 for what must have been 4-5 months?

To then go and be first choice 10 for England is some doing - feel he got a lot of naff ball from Youngs, who got some cr ap ball from the forwards (seemed to stay in his way a lot, made some options hard). That shuffled down the backline and meant that Tuilagi had to crash it up again and again - became so predictable.

For me Flood has to come in at no10, shift Farrell to no12 and then try and get his passing game into it and get Ashton, Foden and probably JJ running off him and using Tuilagi as a dummy runner - don't think Steyn and de Villiers are best at defending when attacked at speed.

Only chance we have is taking them on and attacking them - we'll be lucky not to get di cked all over if we try and contain them again.




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