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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Guest Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:26 am

Differently rated http://planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3821_8063654,00.html

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 09 Sep 2012, 7:39 am

Brussow back for Cheetahs and their best player, strong calls to get him back in SA squad.

Genia ruled for 6 month:

http://www.espnscrum.com/the-rugby-championship/rugby/story/169605.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

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Post by stnick88 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 9:33 am

Pete Irish was game was so frustrating could of gone either way we were close to scoring are 4th try, blaney threw a wild
Pass and glos go up other end and score. They edged it upfront which lost it for us. Backs looked good. Also there bench was strong and qera and kalafamoni made a difference whereas blaney and Lowe weakened us. Good game though. With corbs, paice, Garvey, hala'ufia, Gibson back we should be fine. Also
Humphreys, geraghty, sa will only strengthen our backline
Which was good yday. Sharpies looked badly injured Matt, yarde nailed him.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 09 Sep 2012, 9:41 am

Just watching Quins v Welsh......Quins carving them up every attack, Welsh are awful

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 09 Sep 2012, 9:43 am

You seen anything of Wasps Nick?? Lindsay has apparently been quality, throwing has come on leaps. I still think he could be the answer to our problem at hooker.

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Post by stnick88 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 9:47 am

Lindsay was good at twickenham that's all iv seen so far.
Hopefully he has a consistent season.

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Post by Guest Sun 09 Sep 2012, 10:16 am

Lindsay was shocking yesterday. Gave away a load of pens throwing was not great. Wasps scrum was decent but to be fair Lindsay was against Mears who Is a poor scrummager.

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Post by Guest Sun 09 Sep 2012, 10:18 am

6 months for genia ? That's handy for me he will keep his rating and be availablle during AI's. Happy days

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 09 Sep 2012, 10:26 am

If its his ACL usually a year. Sometimes longer.

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Post by Guest Sun 09 Sep 2012, 10:35 am

I was back after 7 months with my ACL.My brother was out 18 months. The difference is the way they do it now. Much less invasive. I did mine 5 years after my brother and was in and our in a night whereas he was in 5 days.

ACL used to be career ending but now is fairly routine. Think genia did an ACL before

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 09 Sep 2012, 11:02 am

What problem with hooker? Think Hartley is a great player, saw a poll on the telegraph website where people vote for their Lions hooker and he's got a massive lead in votes - only other English player in was Dan Cole who is getting close to world class, his break down work is out of this world for a prop.

With Corbs, Hartley and Cole we've got a very good front row, but need to get rid of Parling and Botha who I think are good AP players.

Lindsay isn't going to be an England international, would normally sing a wasps players praises loads and loads but he's good in the loose and benefits massively from Wentzel in the lineout and he doesn't have good scrummaging technique

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 09 Sep 2012, 11:05 am

Sounds as though Mako Vunipola is doing well for Sarries at the moment, got so many goo props coming through.

Lancaster needs to keep blooding the youngsters in, want to see Launchbury on the bench in the AIs - Greenwood did a very good article about it a few weeks ago.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 09 Sep 2012, 11:42 am

Hartley is just keeping the spot warm, we need much better. Hopefully George and Youngs can come through.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 09 Sep 2012, 11:50 am

God the other hookers in the rest of Europe must be awful too then if Hartley is keeping the spot warm and is favourite for the Lions no2 jersey. Said state of affairs.

He scrummages well, has good lineout throwing, does great work at the breakdwon and frustrating others - one thing he doesnt do is carry enough, but would say all the other bits more than make up for that.

Can't wait for Lawes and Wood to be back for England, both should make a big difference - then just a questions of sorting out our 10/12 and keeping fingers crossed Youngs can find some form.

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Post by Driver Sun 09 Sep 2012, 11:57 am

I think Best is nailed on to be the Lions hooker and potentially captain and can't see Hartley getting ahead of him.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 09 Sep 2012, 11:59 am

I would bet a fair bit that Rory Best will not captain the Lions in a test.

If its not Sam Warburton or POC then i'll be very suprised

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Post by Driver Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:00 pm

I don't know he's the only person nailed on for a starting spot with a lot of competition at 5 and 7.

How can you pick a captain if your not sure he is going play?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:03 pm

Hartley is not lined up for starting Lions hooker at all, Best is well ahead and Ford is probably a better player too.

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Post by Driver Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:09 pm

If i was Gatland and be thinking along the lines of

1.Healy
2.Best (c)
3.Cole
4.Grey
5.Charteris/POC
6.Ferris
7.Rennie
8.Denton

9.Youngs
10.Sexton
11.North
12.Davies
13.Hogg
14.Ashton
15.Kearney
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Post by dammit_chris Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:19 pm

Reckon he will start for the Lions, remember watching him absolutely boss Best in the last 6Nations game for pretty much the whole 80minutes.

Driver, think Youngs needs to regain some form, have seen him play well for 60mins plus a good cameo off the bench - would rather Care play for England than him at the moment, possibly also Dickson.

From the poll I saw they had Cole, Hartley and Ashton as starters, with Lawes and Tuilagi on the bench.

Don't think POC will go, he's really dropped off with all his injuries recently, Gatland was talking up Wilko in today's paper, he's playing very well for Toulon at the moment.

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Post by Driver Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:23 pm

He didn't boss Best at all ,Alex Corbisero took Mike Ross and Tom Court to the cleaners. Even when under immense pressure Best nailed every throw at the lineout.
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Post by dammit_chris Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:42 pm

So did Hartley Driver, and he was part of the front row that absolutely destroyed Ireland and got credit for his part in the penalty try.

Can understand why people do criticise Hartley, but since getting the Saints captaincy he has come on leaps and bounds - you know that when nearly all the Welsh population dislike you you are a damn good rugby player.

He just has to improve his carrying, not sure if he will though.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:43 pm

Jenkins
Best
Cole
Gray
POC
Denton
Warbs
Heaslip
Phillips
Sexton
North
Roberts
Davies
Halfpenny
Kearney

Hartley
Jones
Lawes
SOB
Blair
Flood
Foden

Put Sexton and Kearney into the Welsh backs and I think we have a strong backline. Forwards much more of a mix. Think it is important to have players there who have been Lions before so the likes of POC, Heaslip, Phillips, Roberts, Kearney, Halfpenny will be important.


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Post by Driver Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:44 pm

No BOD?
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Post by dammit_chris Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:45 pm

And pretty sure it was Healy in the front row for Ireland that day and Court didnt get on.

Best's throw in rate was 80% that day - Hartleys was over 90%. Irish lost 4 scrums against the head too. Considering we had Botha and Parling in the second row, you would assume that the front row did a lot of the work in the scrum.

I love ESPN rugby for stats.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:49 pm

Nope I wouldn't have him ahead of Davies atm. You have Hogg ahead of BOD anyway.

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Post by Driver Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:53 pm

Considering Botha is our best scrummaging 4? and Parling is no lightweight.

Best lost 2 lineouts from 12 whilst Hartley lost 1 from 11. It's practically the same but you know the phrase 'there are lies , god dammed lies and then stats'


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Post by Guest Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:54 pm

To be fair best has had an amazing season and maybe in his prime. For the rest of his career he has been average.


Best was probably best hooker about last season. If he keeps his form he has a shout but I would bet everything I have that he will not skipper. Hartley a really good player and could easily start. Gatland the other night on rugby club said the very same thing. 2 good hookers.


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Post by Driver Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:54 pm

I do have Hogg there because i think Hogg is the right man to play outside of Davies , Roberts plays his best rugby with a Hogg/BOD type outside him other than that he just hits the ball up.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:54 pm

That game said a lot more about Tom Court as a international tighthead than it did Hartley, Healy, Best or Hartley.

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Post by Guest Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:57 pm

Hogg rarely plays 13 so how could he be there for lions

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:57 pm

I'd have Tuilagi at 13, BOD is a great player, but seems to pick up a lot of injuries with his style of play.

Not sure how many Scots will get selected in the team, Grey will definitely start, but can see England making some big strides this season.

Anyone see any Lions wildcards this year? Was it Greenwood who played for the Lions before he played for England? Or after a few caps.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:59 pm

Hartley pretty average for me, we need better. I'd be lpoking at Youngs, Gray and Lindsay coming through soon.

England dominated the scrum because Ireland had a LH on at TH for most of the game.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:04 pm

Hartley much better than the three mentioned there Pooly. Absolutely miles better. Pretty certain Grey and Lindsey won't get close to him. Not seen enough of Youngs to comment.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:05 pm

None of the Celts have Hartley or Lawes anyway near a Lions jersey, funny how national bias can taint views.

Only players in with a realistic shot if picked tomorrow are Cole & Tuilagi

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:07 pm

Yea think Hartley is best of average bunch, it's why we need the others to come through strong this season.

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Post by Guest Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:11 pm

Lindsay is garbage in my opinion. Think he will end up second choice at wasps again this year. Wasps better when he does not play.

Gray has had cracking start to season. Excellent darts and work rate. Youngs and george coming up on rails.

Not a bad bunch to have coming through

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:12 pm

Youngs at the right club to be very good, but Hartley will be our hooker until early 30s - has an uncanny ability to annoy opponents, which is a very handy skill to have.

No need to replace a guy who came close to being appointed as England captain. Personally think he's one of the first names down on the team sheet.

Think it's areas like second row, ten and twelve we need to look at and find a winger who can create from nothing to compliment Foden and Ashton - May or Sharples for me there.

Always thought I'd want Robshaw out the England team too, but he's really impressed me - do need to improve our second row though, think we are really weak there with Parling and Botha as no one to get us over the gainline.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:17 pm

I think Hartley will be fazed out this year Chris, he's just stagnated and hasn't really had a challenge to his dot since Tommo started ahead of him.

Lions team:

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Cole
4. POC
5. Gray
6. Ferris
7. Warburton/Rennie (soooo close)
8. Denton

9. Youngs
10. Sexton
11. North
12. JD
13. Tuilagi
14. Bowe
15. Kearney

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:24 pm

Fazed out by who? He fronted up very well against the Boks in the Summer too.

Youngs will be lucky to tour if he doesn't get some more form this season - he's played one good game in about 18months, Bowe has been very poor for his usual high standards too.

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Post by 'Arry Spurs Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:30 pm

Just seen on the BBC sport rugby page that Gatland says Wilkinson is in contention for a place in the Lions squad

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Post by Guest Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:33 pm

Ashton will easily be starting wing for me . Youngs has done zero to say he will make the squad. Phillips, Blair etc all ahead of him currently. The good thing about lions tours is that they are picked on form so anyone can come through.

Makes for a great season.

Youngs needs to get back fit first and then think about getting in lions. Care ahead of him currently.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:37 pm

Hartley was very poor in SA I thought.

Bowe was top scorer in 6N, I bet Ireland wish he was out of form more often Wink

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Post by stnick88 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:18 pm

Parling is good, don't think Botha is the man to take England forward but he is a good player. Lawes has been overhyped can't pick him for a lions spot unless he has a great season. Currently way down the list.

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Post by Driver Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:20 pm

For all the local rugby fans out there , Darlington Mowden Park are set to move into the Northern Echo arena. 25,000 seat stadium.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/local/darlington/9915933.Shock_bid_by_rugby_club_for_stadium/

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:29 pm

Lawes is a great defensive lock, again needs to work on his carrying, but for athleticism, power and defence there arent many better in my opinion. Think he's an ideal 'enforcer' for England - my big hope is Launchbury for England though, seems a little special.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:38 pm

Read that they are potentially joining with Darlington rugby club. As that stadium will obviously have no space for 2's and 3's to play.

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Post by Driver Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:01 pm

I'v heard they are going to move into Darlington RFC as a base for training and 2nds and 3rds and Juniors. But the Older generations aren't too keen on this.


By all accounts it's Semore Kurdi (Falcons owner) who is funding this.
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Post by Guest Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:31 pm

Hartley having a stormer at the moment

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:34 pm

Personally think he's playing pretty average at the moment Mat...

Lamb such a frustrating player, moments of magic mixed with moments of trying to be just Andy Goode!

Dickon's service is so quick. Foden looking very good.

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