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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu 30 Aug 2012, 10:59 pm

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Guest Wed 05 Sep 2012, 11:24 pm

Reading on a few saffer forums that Bekker is struggling with back again and could be a long time casualty.

He missed more tackles than made against Argentina and apparently back has gone again and maybe a critical issue.

Ben woods retired also today.rugby is nuts for bad injuries. Burger probably in same bracket for
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 06 Sep 2012, 7:55 am

New Zealand team: Israel Dagg; Cory Jane, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Julian Savea; Aaron Cruden, Aaron Smith; Tony Woodcock, Keven Mealamu, Owen Franks, Luke Romano, Brodie Retallick, Victor Vito, Richie McCaw (capt), Kieran Read.

Reserves: Andrew Hore, Charlie Faumuina, Samuel Whitelock, Liam Messam, Piri Weepu, Beauden Barrett, Ben Smith.

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Post by dammit_chris Thu 06 Sep 2012, 9:56 am

Quite interesting that Chris Ashton got his best overall stats (no of tackles, no of carries etc) in his first game for Sarries - I didnt watch the second half but were Sarries playing more expansively? Was quietly impressed with Tomkins - showed some nice touches in the first half.

Pooly - will get my team in this evening - pretty much same as last week minus the three injured players.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Thu 06 Sep 2012, 11:09 am

See Moore is out of the game this week. That Oz pack gets worse....they'll get a battering upfront.

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Post by stnick88 Thu 06 Sep 2012, 11:24 am

there backrow will get destroyed. dennis has had a bit of a hammering in the press apparently.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Thu 06 Sep 2012, 11:56 am

Carter pulls out out too - Cruden starts, Barrett on the bench.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Thu 06 Sep 2012, 4:00 pm

Karl Dickson picked ahead of Care for Quins this week. Interesting.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 06 Sep 2012, 4:01 pm

Just watched Sharks v Cheetahs. Super Sarel is back! Him & Daniel were superb. Rhule looks fantastic (3 tries in 2 starts), hadn't seen him play before. Jordaan was mustard too.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 07 Sep 2012, 1:52 pm

Jayzus predicting in this game is tough sometimes. Is taking me ages to make up my mind on every game!!!
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Fri 07 Sep 2012, 2:01 pm

Wasjust about to say something similar. The majoirty of these games are so tight.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 07 Sep 2012, 2:06 pm

I really don't want to predict draws either so am having to be ultra critical on areas that I think are key in order to find a winner.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 07 Sep 2012, 2:32 pm

Folks, it's been mentioned again this week that some peoples tactics are massive. I've just done a word count on everyone's tactics, excluding driver who didn't submit any, and they range from 163 words (Irish) to 905 words (Saints).

That's a massive difference and I am tempted to say that there should be a word limit on them.

What are peoples thoughts on this?

(Adding them all up and working out the average, comes to 456 words. If we do set a limit I would suggest it being somewhere around that mark.)
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Post by dammit_chris Fri 07 Sep 2012, 2:38 pm

Who would have thought I would write the most...one of my only talents is being able to type fast - reckon I could knock out War and Peace in a few hours!

Would be happy with a word limit of 400/450 words.

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 07 Sep 2012, 2:39 pm

I know I did raise this and hope it hasn't offended anyone in doing so! Personally I'd say maybe have a limit of 450 or 500 words then or do something along the lines of:
Forwards:150
Backs:150
Attack:100
Defence:100
3 key points of 15 words each.

Comes to 545 words.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 07 Sep 2012, 2:44 pm

I don't see any need to break it down into areas like forwards x amount of words then backs x amount of words, and that would be very time consuming for me to police. I think an overall limit would suffice, and then it's up to people how they want to use them.
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Post by prop_lyd Fri 07 Sep 2012, 2:45 pm

Sorry I was just breaking it down as to make an overall average word count (545) and simply that could be guidance for formatting for managers was all!!

Now if we policed it in the breakdown that would be way too much work!
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Fri 07 Sep 2012, 2:48 pm

I believe I have got mine down to 300 - with the sole purpose being I hope people are more likely to read them at this length.

I am definitely in favour of a limit.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 07 Sep 2012, 2:51 pm

I was going to include player profiles, and reviews of previous games in my next weeks game - was looking at creating a match day programme style of tactics, several pages in length.

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 07 Sep 2012, 3:07 pm

You basically do that anyway Chris Wink
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Post by dammit_chris Fri 07 Sep 2012, 4:24 pm

You should have seen what they used to be like Prop - was a minute by minute overview, then I would pretty much slate every one of the opposite teams players with a few hundred words...

Fortunately I've mellowed...a bit.

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Post by Driver Fri 07 Sep 2012, 7:37 pm

Visser burning Leigh Halfpenny to finish.

Edinburgh looking very good. Richie Rees on fire , winning turnovers and attacking fringes with razor sharp service.
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Fri 07 Sep 2012, 8:20 pm

You can't do a word limit! The Sale-Saints games would never be the same would they Chris??!! Very Happy

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 08 Sep 2012, 9:07 am

Argentina realy having a go here! Playing some good rugby

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 08 Sep 2012, 11:48 am

Oz have started pretty well here. Much much better than the NZ games so far.

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Post by 'Arry Spurs Sat 08 Sep 2012, 12:06 pm

Anyone got any ideas on what I can do differently at Wasps? The last time I won in the AP was last February which was quite some time ago and like I said last week I don't want to commit time and effort to this game if I'm just going to lose every week and end up finishing near the bottom. What can I do differently?

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 08 Sep 2012, 3:45 pm

What a try from Eastmond!!

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Post by Guest Sat 08 Sep 2012, 3:51 pm

He looks good ball
In hand but has missed about 6 tackles by being bumped off. He looks to be raw but very exciting and coachable

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 08 Sep 2012, 4:49 pm

Bok ratings:

http://www.rugby365.com/article/49516

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 08 Sep 2012, 4:51 pm

Aus ratings:

http://www.rugby365.com/article/49515

Etzebeth has been cited for headbutt

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 08 Sep 2012, 5:11 pm

Oz were decent today. No one really played badly. They will really miss Genia if it is a serious one.

Hooper is a sensational player. They need to find an 8 who carries big so they can play him and Pocock in the same backrow.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 08 Sep 2012, 6:13 pm

They have that in Palu but hes never fit!

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Post by Guest Sat 08 Sep 2012, 6:40 pm

GOosen looked good today for a brief cameo. Not watched nz yet how did cruden go ?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 08 Sep 2012, 6:42 pm

Cruden was ok, it was dire conditions so not a fluid display. Arg defence and pack was immense

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Post by Guest Sat 08 Sep 2012, 7:13 pm

Glos Beat Irish away. That was not expected. We never win there

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 08 Sep 2012, 7:24 pm

Irish look like they'll struggle, I didn't think they'd do too well tbh

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 08 Sep 2012, 9:23 pm

Evening lads. Not been on all day and seen no rugby whatsoever, very weird for a Saturday. Not got much internet access, so will get results and everything done when I'm home tomorrow evening. OK
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Post by dammit_chris Sat 08 Sep 2012, 9:54 pm

Pete - wait until you see Tuilagi's two tries today, pretty special. Last few weeks he's looked back to his best.

Dae Young is being such a douche bag with Wasps, he should start Launchbury in every game he can because he gives the whole pack their go forward and tempo. I don't think he's a very good coach at all, makes so many odd decisions with his team.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 08 Sep 2012, 9:58 pm

Tigers fans on main board reckon Tuilagi has started passing a bit more this season too which can only be a good thing.

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 08 Sep 2012, 10:05 pm

He's always passed for Tigers, hasn't for England as he has been getting a hell of a lot of slow ball from 10/12 so has to crash the ball up for England to keep possession.

Did so much tidying up for England in South Africa over the summer, people said he played poorly, but had such cr ap ball from 10/12 channels that all he could do was smash the ball up - he'll never be the best handling 13 around, but does have better hands then people give him credit for.

Got a lot of friends who are Tigers fans and they are all saying this new Fijian wing (Goneva) is something special, ideal replacement for Tuilagi elder.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 08 Sep 2012, 10:09 pm

I knew you'd say that lol

Can't agree on Tuilgi, he takes it on himself if he gets slow or fast ball. Class player but soooooo blinkered.

I was saying the boys on main board reckon he's came on a lot there, I doubt they'd be commenting on an improvemnt if he was fine to begin with, they watch him every week.

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Post by Driver Sat 08 Sep 2012, 10:13 pm

I'v got my eye on Goneva , looks a talent by all accounts.

Spent 2 years trying to find Tuilagi's replacement.
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Post by dammit_chris Sat 08 Sep 2012, 10:18 pm

No players perfect though Pooly, and personally think Tuilagi has got decent hands, but still learning when to pass and when to crash it up, as he's still just 21. He's good at that for Tigers, for England not so good, but again he's played outside Farrell and Barritt who aren't exactly best known for their quick hands, so he tidies a lot of crap - still loved it how he man handled de Villiers in the tests, threw him all over the place.

Driver Goneva is a very good player, tough as nails - didnt realise how good Rob Andrew was in second row too - Tigers for me best team in the league this year, got a great squad.


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Post by Driver Sat 08 Sep 2012, 10:24 pm

He's looked big and tough on the wing.

I played Wing today , wasn't as fun as it looks on TV.


Off topic anyone on here been to Kos before?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 08 Sep 2012, 10:24 pm

I think Tuilagi is fantastic Chris, I'll never say otherwise I don't think.

I've always said if he starts to pass/offload he'll be a world beater, I was just commenting that the Tigers fans reckon he's starting to develop more of a pass, I wasn't knocking him.

I think Barritt is a good distributor and has a great offload, I still think a Barritt/Tuilagi can really work for us.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 08 Sep 2012, 10:29 pm

I've been to Kos twice driver, lovely little island.

If you go to Kardamena, then you have to go to a restaurant called Nemos on the seafront. Best fish I have ever eaten.
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Post by Driver Sat 08 Sep 2012, 10:31 pm

I'm going for my Cousin's wedding next October (2013) and staying at Blue Lagoon? By all accounts they have gold buggys to cart you about.
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Post by Guest Sat 08 Sep 2012, 10:54 pm

Launchbury better as impact sub currently. Fantastic player but naive and does not do the rucking a second row should. He is more concerned with ball in hand.

3 good second rows at wasps. Launchbury has it all just needs game time and experience

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Post by Guest Sat 08 Sep 2012, 10:57 pm

I am off to Mykonos Wednesday for a wedding apparently it's known as the gay island. Will have to watch myself

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Post by Guest Sat 08 Sep 2012, 10:57 pm

I am off to Mykonos Wednesday for a wedding apparently it's known as the gay island. Will have to watch myself

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Post by Guest Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:24 am

AAC ouch you just butchered that. How
Is cooper at ten ?hooper superb. Jdv awful
Missed tackles for fun

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