Week 3 discussion thread

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Hakeem Nicks will not play for the Giants as they go on the road to Carolina tomorrow night.

[Barney92]

I think if we are evening things out that PI for the Packers was more than cancelled out than the wiped out inteception and that 1st and 30 PI. I'm a packer fan but I still would think it was a disgrace. I can understand officials making a bad call on the field like the 3 ones above were but if it's reviewed surely the right call has to be made.

[twelve283]

Replacement refs just cost GB a win definitively.

Blatant OPI and an INT by Jennings.

Not to mention OPI that turned into DPI on 1st and 30, and a roughing the passer on an INT.

Honestly can't blame GB for walking off, they were absolutely robbed.

I feel with the bad call on the Tate TD justice was done. The Packers had the most BS calls in their favour on their TD drive. The DPI on Chancellor was the worst DPI call ever and then the spot for the 1st down when Rodgers was clearly a few inches short on 3rd down.

Justice done. Seahawks deserve it on the 1st half performance. If the Packers oline plays anything like that against better teams they'd be a hell of a lot further behind than 7-0. Personally I can't wait until they come to MetLife, they look way more beatable than last year and we nearly got them.

You obviously didn't watch the Patriots - Ravens game on Sunday night then.

[CFCNick]

I watched it condensed but wasn't really paying close attention.

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The Seahawks had a few BS calls go their way before that in the 2nd. The DPI on 1st and 30 was 97% Rice OPI if anything. Not to mention Russell getting roughing the passer when he was outside the pocket and running to wipe off an INT deep in Seahawks territory.

On the simultaneous thing, its only simultaneous if neither establishes control before the other. Jennings tucks it away into his chest before Tate even gets 2 hands to it. I can get the call was wrong in real time, it was a tough call. But if you spend that much time under replay, you have to get the correct call. The number of experts canning the decision on twitter says it all really.

[The Mangler US_UK]

It was an atrocious call. First off, you have blatant offensive pass interference. Then it was clearly an interception and not a simultaneous reception.

Was listening to Dan Patrick today and the owner of the Lingerie League said that he didn't want to say anything before, but after last night's fiasco he wanted to point out that one of the replacement officials working last night's game, well, the Lingerie League had dumped him.

Come on, Roger! You're using guys who aren't good enough or experienced enough to work the major college conference games or who are rejects from the Lingerie League!

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The NFL has released a statement, saying it should've been OPI but it was a simultaneous catch.

Wonder what the odds are that statement goes unchallenged? The backlash is just beginning for the NFL

[GSC]

To get away from the controversy, anyone else feel Russell Wilson at QB is going to cost the Seahawks? Defense dominanted the Pack in the first half yesterday, and all the Seahawks could do with great field position and some decent running was 1 long play. 2nd half they had 4 straight 3 and outs iirc.

I get he'll have rookie growing pains, but you have a 4 year vet you signed in the offseason riding the bench. Flynn might not be a top starter, but he should at least be able to manage the game.

[Skyforger]

I can get the call was wrong in real time, it was a tough call. But if you spend that much time under replay, you have to get the correct call.

I thought the commentators said last night that when it was reviewed they couldn't challenge who caught the ball, just whether the pass was complete or incomplete.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

There are really some retarded rules in the NFL.

For example, The Ravens winning FG against the Pats, went over the upright. But you cannot challenge that for some reason.

Yet you can challenge it if it goes through the uprights.

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There aren't replays that can prove where the ball is exactly as it went over Olly.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Oh I thought it went over too GSC, just that it is ridiculous that you can't challenge it, if they did get it wrong. Yet you can challenge it if it goes through

[GSC]

Couple of years back the Browns hit a FG that went over, hit the bar on the back and bounced back. They reviewed that and got it overturned.

The point of replays are that they're conclusive beyond doubt. If it goes through then its either in or out due to the goal posts being real. If its above then you're imagining where they are and you can't tell exactly when it crosses

[mikeygnfl]

I thought the Ravens kick was good though looks more contentious depending on which camera angle you see if from.

Haven't seen the end to the Packers game yet. The Seahawks defence was dominate in the 1st half but the Packers looked on top by the end of 3rd quarter.

[Number-25]

NFL really need to get the proper officials back on the field quickly as this is really undermining the season now. It's just stunning that they've let things get to this stage. It's making such a mockery of the game now that from a credibility standpoint, they league would be better off not playing them until the proper officials are back. It's all anyone is talking about now. Also, Goodell has made such a fuss about player safety and yet he's happy to have officials on the field who can't control games properly and who are letting a lot of players away with a lot of things that they otherwise wouldn't be allowed to. It's must also be really frustrating for players who are putting their bodies on the line in games that are being decided ultimately not upon their efforts but on the dreadful decisions that these stand-in officials are making. Goodell looks just looks like a bigger fool with every botched decision that is made.

[GSC]

In fairness, the refs are asking for a ridiculous amount apparently

[Number-25]

I don't have too big a problem with that. My sympathy for the billionaire NFL owners in money matters doesn't extend very far. Having watched the replacement refs, maybe they're worth it?

[mikeygnfl]

I'm not too bothered about replacement refs. The % of ref calls to game play is going to be minimal in most games, even it it seems like a big decision. If teams are good enough they should win regardless.

[The Mangler US_UK]

For example, The Ravens winning FG against the Pats, went over the upright. But you cannot challenge that for some reason.

The goal posts project upward infinitely -- if it crosses directly over a post, by rule, the kick is good. The channel i was watching the game on digitally extended the post right after the kick and it looked good.

In fairness, the refs are asking for a ridiculous amount apparently

Actually, they're not. The big hang up is the owners want to now exclude them from the NFL pension plan, which by all accounts, is an excellent plan. The refs, naturally, want to remain in the plan that they're already a part of, hence the league has locked them out. On a side note, they mentioned that half the owners have opted their organizations out of the NFL pension plan -- the teams save money, but all their non-player employees get shafted on the pension plan too.

The value of the sticking point appears to be about $16 million -- which is a ludicrously small amount for a league that is slated to pull in $10 billion this year and that foresees revenue going up to $12-14 billion soon.

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The NFL also wants 3 reserve crews which the refs don't want

[Number-25]

Was just reading up a bit more on the whole labour dispute there and like Mangler says, the pension issue seems to be the big sticking point. Having had my own pension terms changed recently, I've got every sympathy for the refs. Fair play to them for digging their heels in against the billionaires. If as Mangler says the monstage value of the squabble is $16m then shame on the league for letting things get to this point. Is the credibility of the game and the safety of the players worth less than $16m??

[crazy_dave23]

On Monday Night Football. No further comment, I'm can't be bothered.

[twelve283]

For example, The Ravens winning FG against the Pats, went over the upright. But you cannot challenge that for some reason.

The goal posts project upward infinitely -- if it crosses directly over a post, by rule, the kick is good. The channel i was watching the game on digitally extended the post right after the kick and it looked good.

The exact rule, according to Mike Pereira, is that "In order for a field goal that crosses over the top of the upright to be good, the entire ball must pass inside the outside edge of the upright extended."

but "A FG that goes over the top of an upright is not reviewable because you cannot determine when exactly the ball is directly over the pole,"

[GSC]

Yeah, thats the real problem, the only camera view that would work would be directly above/below. Above doesn't really work and below would be a safety hazard

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I think the fact that some of the refs for the MNF game were fired by the Lingerie League for 'incompetence' tells you all you need to know.

Just get the refs back already

[The Mangler US_UK]

Music City Miracle part 2 in Tennessee

The PR laterals and Campbell runs 80 yards

At least this time it was a backward pass so it was legal...

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Music City Miracle part 2 in Tennessee

The PR laterals and Campbell runs 80 yards

At least this time it was a backward pass so it was legal...

Can. Worms. Open.

[TM Moot]

I think the fact that some of the refs for the MNF game were fired by the Lingerie League for 'incompetence' tells you all you need to know.

That story made it into The Times today!

What bugs me is that it was reviewed, and alledgely there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the on-field Touchdown decision....but there wasn't an on-field decision, the 2 refs gave mixed calls, at the same time

[Dorothy_Mantooth]

Yeah, thats the real problem, the only camera view that would work would be directly above/below. Above doesn't really work and below would be a safety hazard

They could always just make the uprights a bit higher!

[RDuncan8]

Were people actually expecting Goodell to change the outcome of the game!? (Just read that at the end of an article)

Madness. Get over it and move on.

[TM Moot]

Were people actually expecting Goodell to change the outcome of the game!? Madness. Get over it and move on.

Totally agree. Even as a Packers fan, i don't want the result changed (christ knows where that would lead?).

Very happy though for Goodell to negoitate and re-employ the real refs though..

[RDuncan8]

Yeah, need to get it sorted...lots of people doing some digging on the replacement refs now eg Lingerie League, not ready for division I etc... will only get worse.

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