Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[Diggers]

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Of course there are shades of grey but ultimately nobody can be sent to jail for saying they would like to kiddy fiddle but won't as it's illegal and cannot include consent by definition.
They go to jail when they break the law by looking at images or worse acts. So what do you do, change the laws ? Having an open debate won't change the laws, it will still come down to the same thing.
So whether they are deemed evil by society or not is ultimately fairly irrelevant as far as I can see. The end game remains the same.

[kwinigolfer]

First concert I went to was Chuck Berry in Southampton and it's been downhill ever since.
The Animals were on the undercard doing their first ever live "House Of The Rising Sun". Nashville Teens and Carl Perkins on the bill also!

[gaelgowfer]

He's was also apparently an excellent fighter pilot.

Digs ... just a shame the draft-dodging president didn't choose to deploy those skills where it mattered ... in Vietnam!

As far as Im concerned that in another sign of his intelligence. Id certainly be dodging any draft that I could.

Intelligence doesn't come into it as he had friends in high places ... not least his ex-president father!

He's not the first to dodge his patriotic duty. Large sections of the landed gentry here wangled safe positions well away from the front line in the First World War. Bit awkward for them really when having to face up to those men who'd survived their hellish experiences at the front line.

[Bob_the_Job]

the first album i bought was disco pet shop boys- suburbia and west end girls- classic

Mine was Photo Finish by Rory Gallagher. Talk about other end of the spectrum.

[Diggers]

I never really buy any music these days, last album I bought was by a guy called Alexi Murdoch becasuse I liked it as a soundtrack to a film , which was also a good film..Away We Go. Well worth a listen and a watch.

[mystiroakey]

Spotify premium for me. 10 quid a month. Almost all the musicinthe world at a touch of the button

[navyblueshorts]

Navy, my question was:-

"Who was the last important export from here?"

Of course you could go back to Zeppelin, Bowie, Who, Kinks etc, but that was generations ago, and if you have to go that far back, it proves my point.

Of course music is still produced in the UK, but it's not necessarily associated with the UK by those abroad, and bar a few acts seldom leaves these shores. The bands you mentioned, the dreadful U2 excepted were blatantly British.

Indeed and I nearly mentioned the self-evident longevity of those I mentioned. That's a problem though isn't it? You can't measure quality as a function of longevity etc when you have a new act can you? If you can't do that, you're always open to your accusation of so-and-so being a flash-in-the-pan which makes a constructive argument impossible. Let's re-visit this in 10-15 years or so eh?

[navyblueshorts]

...RAP (aka Really Awful Poetry) ... pretty much confuses me and I don't spend any of my limited time pursuing.

Now that is a good expansion of RAP as an acronym . With you on that one although there's the occasional thing that catches my ear.

[navyblueshorts]

Abolutely not, For every Pink Floyd or The Who, there's a Phil Collins or Leona Lewis.

Bit a of a poor shot there S_R. Collins, for all the maudlin pap of his solo career (in the main), was a damned good drummer and part of an exceptional act in their prime.
Lewis can definitely sing a bit as well. Just because she came via a talent show doesn't a priori mean she's talentless.

[navyblueshorts]

Adele? Hardly innovative

Derivative I would say Bob.

What does this have to do with anything?? She's damned good at what she does and (shock! horror!) writes her own material at a pretty young age. Sorry, must try harder.

[kwinigolfer]

The Mumfords are selling out arenas all over the States - I find their music pretty samey myself, but they're youngish and, so far, very successful.

[navyblueshorts]

Have you got a criminal record madam....
Well I do have a Daniel O'donnell album at home officer.....boom boom

Sorry, couldn't resist a chuckle at that one.

[navyblueshorts]

...Large sections of the landed gentry here wangled safe positions well away from the front line in the First World War. Bit awkward for them really when having to face up to those men who'd survived their hellish experiences at the front line.

May be true to some extent but WWI was notorious for killing a ridiculous % of the 'officer class', much higher % of officer class killed than others. Even the old Queen Mum lost a brother (I think) when he got shot in the face at Loos. There may have been some upper class shirkers but around WWI I'd stake much that there weren't many.

[Shotrock]

My first concert was Alice Cooper, 99¢, at the Utica Memorial Auditorium (a building I'm certain Kwini has been in).

But one of the strangest live musical experiences I had was in the mid 80s when Simon and Garfunkel played Parade Stadium in Minneapolis, MN. I was living in Minneapolis at the time, could not get tickets, but since the Stadium was just a few blocks from my house I recall going to bed, window open, to a faint, but distinct rendition of "Sounds of Silence".

[mystiroakey]

sounds awesome Srock- i was brought up on simon and garfunkel, love there stuff and paul simon on his own

[kwinigolfer]

Sr,
Surprised it wasn't a 96c concert at Four Acres.

Saw Paul Simon at The Palladium, just him and Toots Thielemans; breathtaking.

[super_realist]

Navy, my question was:-

"Who was the last important export from here?"

Of course you could go back to Zeppelin, Bowie, Who, Kinks etc, but that was generations ago, and if you have to go that far back, it proves my point.

Of course music is still produced in the UK, but it's not necessarily associated with the UK by those abroad, and bar a few acts seldom leaves these shores. The bands you mentioned, the dreadful U2 excepted were blatantly British.

Indeed and I nearly mentioned the self-evident longevity of those I mentioned. That's a problem though isn't it? You can't measure quality as a function of longevity etc when you have a new act can you? If you can't do that, you're always open to your accusation of so-and-so being a flash-in-the-pan which makes a constructive argument impossible. Let's re-visit this in 10-15 years or so eh?

Navy, the point was that Oakey was saying that recent music by artists from Britain, has somehow made Britain "cool". So longevity doesn't really come into it either.

My argument was that recent music from these shores isn't as instantly identifiable as "British" in the way that The Who, Blur, Joy Division, New Order, The Smiths, Clash, The Beatles (even though I thought they were crap and McCartney is a tool) Sex Pistols, Pink Floyd etc were.

It was a sound identifiable immediately as being British, and not mid atlantic like Adele, Winehouse, Phil Collins (self indulgent crap, although I'll give you the Genesis days) etc. Now whether or not I like that music or whether you do, doesn't really matter i'm not commenting on whether I like it or not, it's the anonymity and lack of national roots that I'm trying to stress. It isn't uniquely British in a way that someone like The Kinks or The Faces were, and so despite them being from these shores I don't think people see the likes of Adele, Winehouse, Llama Lewis as a barometer of British "cool" because I think it unlikely, due to their music being very similar to acts of other nations in that genre that they identify them as British at all. They could conceivably be from anywhere.
So all I'm saying is that although there still might be loads of music being exported all over the world from the UK, it isn't recognisable instantly as being British, nothing wrong with that really, just that I don't think people think of Britain as a producer of great, unique music anymore, because by and large, it's much the same as that produced in many other countries.

[mystiroakey]

SR mate you need to get laid!

[mystiroakey]

Everyone needs to see this.. SR you will love it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KswWfq2drCM

It Is truely disgusting (not in any forum breaking way)but an eye opener - This is reality tv from the states, its a program called honey boo boo. and it is 100% real..

Enjoy!

[Diggers]

So im standing outside Oxford Circus which is closed as its overcrowded...as it is probably 1 day in 3, more the closer you get to xmas because of the pesky tourists. We are jammed in like sardines, getting pushed and shoved by people trying to get past the tube entrances, Ive already missed my train which only runs every 30 minutes. What could make the experience even more unpleasant.....the two girls next to me sparking up a couple of fags.
What part of thats disgusting for everyone around you who doesnt smoke do people like that not get, how little must you care for anyone else apart from yourself ? Fags finished and butts just thrown on the floor, if they threw a coke can on the floor someone would probably have made a citizens arrest but apparently it remains OK for smokers to just stand around and flick their trash onto the pavement still.
C*-ts.

[gaelgowfer]

...Large sections of the landed gentry here wangled safe positions well away from the front line in the First World War. Bit awkward for them really when having to face up to those men who'd survived their hellish experiences at the front line.

May be true to some extent but WWI was notorious for killing a ridiculous % of the 'officer class', much higher % of officer class killed than others. Even the old Queen Mum lost a brother (I think) when he got shot in the face at Loos. There may have been some upper class shirkers but around WWI I'd stake much that there weren't many.

navy ... you seem to be confusing the upper classes with the burgeoning middle class which rose out of the growing industrialision of Britain who made up the vast majority of the officer class. They suffered terribly and enjoyed a particularly short shelf life at the front.

[gaelgowfer]

So im standing outside Oxford Circus which is closed as its overcrowded...as it is probably 1 day in 3, more the closer you get to xmas because of the pesky tourists. We are jammed in like sardines, getting pushed and shoved by people trying to get past the tube entrances, Ive already missed my train which only runs every 30 minutes. What could make the experience even more unpleasant.....the two girls next to me sparking up a couple of fags.
What part of thats disgusting for everyone around you who doesnt smoke do people like that not get, how little must you care for anyone else apart from yourself ? Fags finished and butts just thrown on the floor, if they threw a coke can on the floor someone would probably have made a citizens arrest but apparently it remains OK for smokers to just stand around and flick their trash onto the pavement still.
C*-ts.

At least cigarette butts don't indulge themselves in profanities.

[Diggers]

Sometimes you need to call a spade a spade Gael Im afraid. Id be more than happy for them to be forced to eat any fag butts they threw on the ground, that would be a good deterrent.

[Diggers]

...Large sections of the landed gentry here wangled safe positions well away from the front line in the First World War. Bit awkward for them really when having to face up to those men who'd survived their hellish experiences at the front line.

May be true to some extent but WWI was notorious for killing a ridiculous % of the 'officer class', much higher % of officer class killed than others. Even the old Queen Mum lost a brother (I think) when he got shot in the face at Loos. There may have been some upper class shirkers but around WWI I'd stake much that there weren't many.

navy ... you seem to be confusing the upper classes with the burgeoning middle class which rose out of the growing industrialision of Britain who made up the vast majority of the officer class. They suffered terribly and enjoyed a particularly short shelf life at the front.

Plenty of young upper class officers died as well Gael, I know because I saw it on Downton Abbey.

[super_realist]

I presume Gael knows so much about WW1 because she was around then.


Agreed Diggers, Smoking, like spitting is a completely unnecessary act. A packet of cigarettes should be at least £50.

Even at the current price, how is it that beggars, jobless, peasants, Chavs and ne'er do wells always seem to be smoking?

[navyblueshorts]

navy ... you seem to be confusing the upper classes with the burgeoning middle class which rose out of the growing industrialision of Britain who made up the vast majority of the officer class. They suffered terribly and enjoyed a particularly short shelf life at the front.

Not sure that I am. I don't equate Bowes-Lyon et al with a burgeoning middle class. The classes of Eton were decimated and that would include a lot of the scions of the traditional upper classes.
It's a moot point anyway really - there'll always be shirkers because they're either connected or rich and can avoid what the rest have to endure.

[navyblueshorts]

Re. fags. Sorry Diggers, but it's not illegal is it? Consideration for those around oneself is virtually non-existant now in any case.

S_R. It's all very well bemoaning cigarettes but could you please inform the rest of us where the tax revenue that's currently raised via that industry would come from?

[super_realist]

I'm sure that people like Mac would say "tax the bankers more" , but you could have a fat tax as well as a fast food/junk food tax.

[Diggers]

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The classes of Eton were decimated and that would include a lot of the scions of the traditional upper classes.
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Well they do say every cloud has a silver lining.

[Diggers]

Re. fags. Sorry Diggers, but it's not illegal is it? ?

Littering is illegal and that includes fag butts, its just not remotely enforced more's the pity.
Anyway smoking in public places whether outdoors or in will be banned soon hopefully.

[navyblueshorts]

The classes of Eton were decimated and that would include a lot of the scions of the traditional upper classes.

Well they do say every cloud has a silver lining.

Hmmm. Not sure I agree with you on that one. I'm all for removing a lot of undue privilege but I think that's going a bit far.

You're right about the fag butts and littering....I assume you took them to task for it then?

[McLaren]

Diggers, have you gone mad or are you one the wind up? No sane person could think Bush jr (or senior probably) has an ounce of intelligence.


Although you make a very good point about smokers.

Navy

I doubt the tax revenue from smoking makes up for the cost to society.

And further, every pound spent on fags is a pound not spent on a more optimal purchase in terms of use to the economy and society.

[super_realist]

Cigarettes ought to have a levy on them to cover the cost of them being picked up. Ditto McDonalds

[Diggers]

The classes of Eton were decimated and that would include a lot of the scions of the traditional upper classes.

Well they do say every cloud has a silver lining.

Hmmm. Not sure I agree with you on that one. I'm all for removing a lot of undue privilege but I think that's going a bit far.

You're right about the fag butts and littering....I assume you took them to task for it then?

Of course not...nothing I hate more than an interfering busybody !

[navyblueshorts]

I'm sure that people like Mac would say "tax the bankers more" , but you could have a fat tax as well as a fast food/junk food tax.

You could. It would be just as Poopie and poorly thought trough as legislation such as the Dangerous Dogs Act though. Mind you, I guess you could simply levy duty based on the calorific content of food.

[navyblueshorts]

The classes of Eton were decimated and that would include a lot of the scions of the traditional upper classes.

Well they do say every cloud has a silver lining.

Hmmm. Not sure I agree with you on that one. I'm all for removing a lot of undue privilege but I think that's going a bit far.

You're right about the fag butts and littering....I assume you took them to task for it then?

Of course not...nothing I hate more than an interfering busybody !

[super_realist]

I was thinking more along the lines of processed, high fat foods Navy,

staple and healthy foods therefore become relatively cheaper.


By the way, One of the thing about fat people is that I pay the same for a ticket as they do, but they proportionally use more fuel and have more wear and tear on the seats. How can that be fair? I am effectively supplementing their greed and gluttony.

[Diggers]

I was thinking more along the lines of processed, high fat foods Navy,

staple and healthy foods therefore become relatively cheaper.


By the way, One of the thing about fat people is that I pay the same for a ticket as they do, but they proportionally use more fuel and have more wear and tear on the seats. How can that be fair? I am effectively supplementing their greed and gluttony.

I was on a train last week with a fat bloke, I went to put the armrest down between us and he said can you not do that as I lose some space. I blanked him and did it anyway, what he meant was he thought it acceptable for his disgusting blubbery mass to invade my personal space.Well it isnt......go a diet if you dont want to feel squashed in fatty !!!!

[super_realist]

Or get the fatso to pay for two tickets.
I can't see why countries don't act on this, there is no reason for anyone to be so big they can't fit in a standard seat. If they can't then they should have to pay extra.

[McLaren]

Super

You may be paying for their wear and tear on train seats or their extra usage of the NHS but are you confident they don't subsidise an aspect of your life which cause a greater than average cost to everyone else?

It may be a shock to you but all fat people lead very different lifes and I have no doubt some of them will be subsidising something unsavoury you do.

[Diggers]

Or get the fatso to pay for two tickets.
I can't see why countries don't act on this, there is no reason for anyone to be so big they can't fit in a standard seat. If they can't then they should have to pay extra.

Its all down to the private companies I guess. I think some airlines will have massivo porkers pay for two seats, quite right as well. Fat people never try and make themselves smaller either, they just spread their revolting mass over as much area as they can.
Forced boot camps for anyone over 20 stone ?

[super_realist]

Really, perhaps you could do what you usually do and read the blurb of a book or google it.
What on earth would a fat person do to subsidise me? I more than pay my way on everything.

Oh right, here's one. A fat person's council tax by staying indoors and eating constantly is saving the pavement for me, and subsidising the wear and tear I put on it by walking or running.
How very selfless of them.

Diggers, anyone at that sort of weight should be sent to a Gulag, and forced to do hard labour.

[mystiroakey]

SR's fav topic again..

oh and lets add in the smokers!!

I am a smoker btw- (i get diggers point though- sparking up in a crowded area is wrong!)

yeah its rank, but hey i dont judge other people all the time on message boards?

SR i think you need to take advantage of the system abit more tbh, its liberating!

go out there and get some councilling?

If only they gave out free hoes on the nhs

[Diggers]

fat smokers...shoot them......

[super_realist]

Oakey, I used to be a smoker too, loved it. Smoked all the time up until about 10 years ago, but decided it was pointless and gave up instantly. Easiest thing I've ever done. Fortunately I was young enough for my body to recover what I hope is fully.

Ex smokers are the worst critics, but it's easy to be like that when you see the benefits of giving up and how easy it is to do.

[mystiroakey]

Well SR thats a very good trait to have! I have found one(just kidding)

Good willpower- it is much harder for 99% of people.

No excuses though..

[super_realist]

I disagree Oakey, I think the vast majority of people who "try" to give up aren't really 100% committed. If you really want to do something with everything you've got. It's really easy.

I still dream about having a cigarette sometimes, so it got me psychogically, but too many people don't want to properly give up, or don't go about it the right way.

[Diggers]

Im a reformed smoker as well, smoked in my 20's. Realised like Super how idiotic it was. I got hypnotised, never had or wanted a fag from that day to this.

[super_realist]

Funny how the people who say they can't afford to eat healthily are also the ones with a fridge full of beer and a packet of B&H in their top pockets, also an impossibly large TV, Sky subscription and season ticket.

[mystiroakey]

SR and Diggers- preaeching aside(off course i wanna give up)

I will ignore that because as much as i know you are right- I dont wanna talk about it!!!

Would you rather live in some semi communist state- where we are preeched at all the time and tobacco was illegal or a free one. Personally id rather drugs were legal?

[super_realist]

I don't think it should be illiegal, but I think it should be treated with more contempt and should be charged at a ridiculous rate to encourage people to give up.
I know it isn't illegal and we live in what is supposedly a free society, but if you were popping outside to devour a cigarette sized object of lard you'd get a reputation for being a bit weird. If it wasn't so commonly acceptable and we could take a step back it would be a funny thing to see people willfully indulging in a cigarette.

It isn't difficult to give up, and there really is no reason to smoke.

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