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Second win of the season for Saracens and defeats for Welsh, Wasps and Worcester mean there is just 3 points between the bottom four.

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2. Bathite

Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by stnick88 Tue 30 Oct 2012, 9:39 am

Know he is short on form, but Hendrie Fourie possibly?

However it depends whether Armitage gets banned for this drug thing.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 30 Oct 2012, 4:11 pm

Best and BOD out of AI's. Add Kearney and SOB to that and they are missing some huge players.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 30 Oct 2012, 4:43 pm

think they might struggle a bit.
is ferris 100% fit?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 30 Oct 2012, 4:48 pm

Not sure. Is he ever?

Best replaced by Strauss?
BOD replaced by Cave?
Kearney replaced by Fitz/Jones?
SOB replaced by O'Mahony or Henry?

Replacements aren't bad. But has to be a psychological issue in losing 4 players like that

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 30 Oct 2012, 4:59 pm

Big losses.

Kearney probably the biggest as there's no IQ FB's of any really quality in the Rabo.

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Post by Guest Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:03 pm

Ferris fit been playing quite a bit. Played 8 as well

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:05 pm

Jeez their 4 best players out.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:12 pm

Ferris pretty much plays 1 game then has 3 off. Looks a little off the pace this season tbh, just needs a good run of games.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:12 pm

If they lose sexton i couldnt help but laugh

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:13 pm

Ross would be a biggy, TH is a massive issue for them

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:24 pm

true. Still issues with development in ireland. Who is second choice? Fitzpatrick?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:27 pm

Court was listed as backup TH.......mmmmm

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Post by Guest Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:29 pm

Ireland and ulster are managing ferris like nz and canterbury manage mccaw. Plays key games and some others to tick over

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:34 pm

Christ that would be a disaster for them. They have a set of decent looseheads with Healy, Court and Kilcoyne but nothing much after Ross.

I don't know of many guys coming through either. Tadgh Furlong supposed to be a decent prospect but only a kid.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:35 pm

Yea they do a little Matt, he doesn't play many Rabo games. He's actually been injured this season though so they have little choice how to manage him tbh.

Keeps picking up niggly injuries

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:37 pm

They have flown in Taranaki TH Michael Bent who will join straight up with the Ireland squad today. He has never set foot in Ireland before but has an Irish grandmother. He will be joining Leinster until the end of the season once the Ai's are finished.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:41 pm

That's desperation.

Doesn't help when 75% of provinces have a foreign TH starting.

Franchise rugby has its benefits but it certainly doesn't help with strength in depth

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:41 pm

Is he any good Pete? Is Mike Ross injured? Doesn't make sense him signing for Leinster if he and Ross will share the jersey

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 30 Oct 2012, 5:59 pm

Can anyone recommend a good lineout leader at all? Looking for one at the moment, as just have Bonnaire there really at the moment!

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 30 Oct 2012, 6:05 pm

Played 6 times for the Hurricanes when they had a prop crisis earlier this year, but I don't recall him pulling up any trees to be honest Steve.

Ross isn't injured as far as I know, but I think Declan Fitzpatrick who would be second choice is injured, so they are very light in the 3 jersey.
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 30 Oct 2012, 9:16 pm

Bent being called in is a disgrace. What kind of message does it send out to the young THs. Hagan has been going very well when used in the Rabo and Archer seems to have improved for Munster. Wouldnt be too impressed if some random mercenary jumped ahead of me without even stepping foot in the country! Think Fitzpatrick came through a game at the weekend though and is in the squad so Bent hopefully shouldn't see any time in the match day squad.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 31 Oct 2012, 7:49 am

Telegraph are saying BOD could well miss the 6Nations - wonder what impact that could have on his Lions selection?

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Post by Guest Wed 31 Oct 2012, 8:05 am

Seen that a few places. its 12 weeks out which will mean to the end of Jan. So may well miss a bit of it. also he is never the quickest of healers. often takes him a while to get back

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 31 Oct 2012, 10:21 am

With the players released this week by England it looks like the team for Fiji will be:

1. Marler 2. Youngs 3. Cole 4. Botha 5. Parling 6. Wood 7. Robshaw 8. Waldroum 9. Care 10. Flood 11. Ashton 12. Barritt 13. Tuilagi 14. Monye 15. Brown

Don't think we'll be scaring the All Blacks any time soon!

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Post by Guest Wed 31 Oct 2012, 10:30 am

i think they have released some of the players back to get game time chris?

Would not have botha near the squad.

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Post by stnick88 Wed 31 Oct 2012, 10:44 am

what changes would you make chris?
not really much we can do.

Paice for me is a more solid option than Youngs. very good set piece and good in the loose.

I'd like to see launchbury get a game. how botha gets in ahead of launchbury and garvey is a mystery to me.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 31 Oct 2012, 10:45 am

I guess it would only be Morgan though who could start from the players released?

Think we are going to miss Hartley at hooker and the defence that Lawes offers when he plays, both pretty abrasive characters and I don't think we really have any guys who can do that role as well as they can.

Still should get a big win againt Fiji - haven't they got 16 new caps in a squad of 25 or so!

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 31 Oct 2012, 10:48 am

For Fiji Nick I would have tried to be a bit more adventurous with selection, maybe even include a few Saxons players to see whether they can step up a level - like you mention launchbury and Garvery, but a place for Wade on the wing wouldn't have gone amiss, he is probably the form outside back in the AP at the moment.

Would rather Paice start than Youngs too, as Youngs still very raw at this level.

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Post by Guest Wed 31 Oct 2012, 10:56 am

Would rather paice than youngs to be honest. shame joe grey is injured.

We are down to bare bones at hooker. To be fair if you are going to make a debut Fiji is fairly easy.

Would rather see people given a chance like Garvey and Robson for example. I dont think either would be top internationals but form wise they deserve a chance

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Post by Guest Wed 31 Oct 2012, 10:57 am

Launchbury is a way off. does not start for wasps in the big games and whilst is a good carrier does not do the 4 stuff a 4 should do

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 31 Oct 2012, 10:58 am

I don't think we'll miss Hartley tbh, pity Gray wasn't fit as he would have had a chance of nailing the hooker spot.

I wouldn't read anything into players released as a few of those just need a bit of game time.

Launchbury not ready for England spot.

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Post by stnick88 Wed 31 Oct 2012, 11:27 am

personally dont think there is much between hartley and paice, may be my irish bias, but are similar players, both have a solid set piece and are good physical carriers.


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Post by Guest Wed 31 Oct 2012, 11:36 am

Hartley has been immense. Paice is probably about 6th choice to lancaster and for me nowhere near hartley.

in that he has picked Hartley, Webber,Grey,Mears,youngs?

When Buckland is fit does he start ahead of Paice??

I always liked paice think he is a decent saxon player but Hartley one of Englands best players

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Post by Driver Wed 31 Oct 2012, 11:39 am

Chris,

They are being relesed for this weekends game, england vs fiji is 10th nov
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Post by stnick88 Wed 31 Oct 2012, 11:52 am

No Paice is firmly 1st choice, Lawson 2nd choice. Buckland injured but would be 3rd choice.

Thats fair enough Matt but if you wanted a solid set piece from your hooker and a good carrying option, Paice is better than Webber, Mears and Youngs.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 31 Oct 2012, 12:02 pm

Driver, know they are being released this week, but I'd imagine the guys who havent been released will more than likely be playing against Fiji.

Hartley is far, far the best hooker in England, not sure how he doesnt get rated as he's been getting motm awards, won AP player of the month and had Lancaster today saying how much they would miss him. He's leadership is fantastic and all the pundits say how good he is and that England will miss him more than any other player!

Only criticism I have at him is that he hasnt always carried as well as he should do, but he's been carrying for Saints very well this season. Even seems to have sorted out the temper since being made Saints captain - for me one of the first players on Lancaster's team sheet.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 31 Oct 2012, 12:05 pm

Ashton out of the Fiji game - so looks like Monye and Sharples on the wing - really like Sharples.

Mat - did you see Mike Clearly wrote a nice little article about JSD and saying that he should have been a player to have won 100 caps if it wasnt for his injuries and illnesses. One of my all time favourite players in the AP - sadly he alwasys seems to shine against Wasps too!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 31 Oct 2012, 12:07 pm

We need better than Hartley, not a fan at all.

Paice is a good player, I wouldn't have that much between him and Hartley tbh. I'm pretty sure he doesn't pop up out of every scrum so thats an improvement straight away.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 31 Oct 2012, 12:09 pm

Ashton will be a loss, Sharples has been rusty all season bar last game so will need to sharpen up.

If JSD was better defensivley he'd be involved, always been his main issue. He's pretty much been injury free for the last 2 seasons so thats not a reason he's not involved now.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 31 Oct 2012, 12:19 pm

Sharples looked very good when I've seen him, has played last 2-3 games hasnt he?

Also Hartley has been in great form, also read an article about him popping up in the scrums and they said it's been because the Saints scrum has been going forward - they havent been as dominant this season and the popping up has stopped. Don't understand scrums at all - can't remember who wrote the article but was a former international prop or hooker.

If someone better comes along then great, but think there is more pressing concern in the second row, fly half and inside centre than hooker - could do with some good backup hookers coming through - Joe Grey looks the best of the bunch from what I've seen.

I've never seen massive issues with JSD's defence, think he was just against the type of player that Johnson, Robinson would pick. Would have been interesting under Ashton if he wasnt injured so often as sure he made most of his squads, but pulled out of nearly all of them! Such a good runner - can see him and Tindall being very important in development of the youngsters at Gloucester, they produce so many good backs.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 31 Oct 2012, 1:11 pm

Hartley still pops up pretty much every other scrum, should get pinged for it. We need a better option, he's just nothing special at all.

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Post by prop_lyd Wed 31 Oct 2012, 2:06 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Hartley still pops up pretty much every other scrum, should get pinged for it. We need a better option, he's just nothing special at all.
Agreed That part of the saints scrums really bugs me, he stops any momentum by popping up and should be pinged as it's the pressure from opposition th and holler That does it. Wouldn't ne surprised if teams target him.
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Post by Guest Wed 31 Oct 2012, 2:14 pm

Sharples has been razor sharp since back from injury. Last 3 weeks has been excellent. he was coming back from an op at start of season and then took a knock. looks fit and firing.

Most people will tell you JSD has good defence. his face does not fit same as steffan armitage. Every pundit believes JSD should be in there.

People like Greenwood etc know a bit about rugby thats for sure

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 31 Oct 2012, 2:32 pm

It's funny how people have so many different opinions on players, good article in the Independent where they say Hartley is "England's second finest player".

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/the-selection-issues-from-hooker-to-wing-facing-england-coach-stuart-lancaster-8228868.html

Lot's of pundits all singing his praises and saying how big a loss he is for England. Think we'll do a lot better with Hartley than without. Only Robshaw is a leader in that team now.

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Post by stnick88 Wed 31 Oct 2012, 3:13 pm

I'd have him in for England matt but is it too late? will he be around for next WC? probably not so may aswell give Sharples, May, Wade a go.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 31 Oct 2012, 3:24 pm

It's JSD positional and concentration, don't need to a pundit to see that's his issues. His attacking threat is unquestionable.

Just because its in the paper doesn't make it fact......look at some of the complete garbage some papers write.

Hartley no loss for me, has never really turned for England.

I'd go with Sharples, he's worth the punt despite his recent form. Looked great against Tigers.

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Post by Guest Wed 31 Oct 2012, 3:31 pm

stnick88 wrote:I'd have him in for England matt but is it too late? will he be around for next WC? probably not so may aswell give Sharples, May, Wade a go.



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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 31 Oct 2012, 3:56 pm

I'd have May in with a shot, class above Sharples. Could be a world beater

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Post by stnick88 Wed 31 Oct 2012, 4:01 pm

I'm not 100% convinced by Sharples, some might disagree but I think he is just a speed merchant like Varndell and Monye, just a bit better. Hugs the touchline and runs in a few tries. May seems to have a bit more spark about him and can jink round players.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 31 Oct 2012, 4:03 pm

I'd agree with that Nick, he's a good operator but don't think he'll set the world alight on the Int stage.

May has a lot more about him, just needs a bit of work.

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