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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:19 am

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Saracens move off the bottom of the table after picking up a losing bonus point against Gloucester.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Driver Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:42 pm

Which players have improved in your opinions this season

1.Grant Shiells
2.Richard Strauss
3.Oliver Tomazack
4.Ollie Kohn
5.George Robson
6.Fasa
7.Peter O'Mahoney
8.Liam Messam

9.Frederick Michilak
10.Freddie Burns
11.Juan Imohoff
12.Brad Barritt
13.Manu Tuilagi
14.Gonzarlo Comacho
15.Alex Goode
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Post by prop_lyd Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:35 am

Removed.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:01 am

Burns and Tony Buckley the two biggest improvements I've seen.

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Post by prop_lyd Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:05 am

I've been impressed with Dan Murphy too. Just watching the France-Australia match....man the Oz scrum is poor.....loosehead's foot positioning changes each scrum.
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Post by prop_lyd Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:59 am

Beale tried too hard that match...kept isolating himself. French backrow were outstanding.
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Post by dammit_chris Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:13 am

ANyone watching Maori v Championship XV - how on earth isn't Phil Burgess playing in the AP? Great game so far, thought the Maori would walk it.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:29 am

What an awful anthem

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:30 am

Agghhh it's making my ears bleed!!! Who are these singers?!!

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:54 am

Sharples defence needs to be better at this level. Just been ran over!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:06 am

Alexander giving Marler a bit of a hard time, good showing from Aus

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Post by Driver Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:10 am

Aus killing the ball at every ruck, card needs to come soon poit
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:12 am

Might as well have just give them the ball there Danny son

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:17 am

That was some gamble, got to be a try

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:19 am

Think he just made up for it...

Marler is not having a good time of it today is he?

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:21 am

You would swear by the way Barnes and co keep mentioning the France game that Australia just gave them the win last week. Michaleck and the best backrow performance from France in the last few years might of had some say in the result

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:42 am

Marler getting a bumming, need to get Mako on

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:49 am

This is really poor

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:50 am

Cummins is getting through Sharples everytime

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:04 am

Looking much better with bench on.

Launchbury, Mako & Wood have really increased the tempo

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Post by dammit_chris Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:11 pm

That was close to embarrassing in some areas.

Think that showed that a Johnson, Robshaw and Waldroum backrow is not international class - Robshaw great leader, but isnt an international seven when we come up against guys as good as Hooper, what a player he is, going to be better than Pocock.

Waldroum is a good club player, but isn't ever going to worry the big southern hem teams and Johnson is too lightweight - such a difference when Wood came on, he looks so good.

Flood has to mix the game up - he becomes so predictable as its either a nice pop pass to bring someone in or he takes it on himself and into contact. We've got to shape up our midfield somehow and completely reshape the backrow so we have some ball carriers and dynamism. I'm not sure what options we do have there though! Flood-Barritt-Tuilagi isnt working though, need a creative 12 or 13 - Woodward reckons Burns is the guy for the 12 shirt.

If we go in against SA and NZ with that team we are going to take a hammering, as no where near aggressive enough - would look at making quite a few changes, getting Corbs back, playing Wood and Morgan with Robshaw - putting Brown at 15 and getting Joseph on the bench. Would also look at replacing Palmer on the bench with Lawes if he is anywhere near match fit and having Haskell on the bench just for the power he can bring.

Got to get Hartley back as Youngs is an impact sub at the moment, inexperience really showed, though did well with his throwing. Also got to get our locks smashing the rucks more, as that's becoming a major issue.

Really disappointed in that - be interesting to see what Catt is doing with our attacking play as we look clueless in how to break a defence. Just hope Lancaster reacts to it and makes some bold decisions.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:20 pm

Though Waldroum did very well ball in hand. Few silly decisions at the breakdown but looked strong when carrying. Big problem right now is lack of carriers getting us obver the gainline consistently. Only Waldroum and Tuilagi where doing it today which was an awful shame. Sharples and Ashton in particular where running some great lines. Ashton is looking bang in form for me. Marler struggled. Not bringing the ball carrying to international level and scrummaging still needs a little work. Youngs throwing looks ok but his scrummaging isn't there for international level yet. Think Hartley may have made a big difference there.
If fit Corbs into the front row next week. Wood in at BS. Palmer dropped was annoymous for me.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:21 pm

"Think that showed that a Johnson, Robshaw and Waldroum backrow is not international class - Robshaw great leader, but isnt an international seven when we come up against guys as good as Hooper, what a player he is, going to be better than Pocock"

I think that's rubbish Chris.

Robshaw not Int class after one average performance??? The whole team wasn't great.

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Post by dammit_chris Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:24 pm

Didn't mean it like that - as a combination its not international backrow, have always said I've been impressed by Robshaw, but balance of the three isn't right - get Wood and Morgan in and I think it changes a lot.

Have Robshaw as one of the first names on the teamsheet, very good leader.

Our locks need to help them out at the breakdown too - think it might have been you Pooly who said that they werent clearing out properly. Launchbury upped the tempo but didnt help the breakdown.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:31 pm

Appologies, was baffled there lol.

Yea agree I'd start Wood/Morgan although Waldroum was pretty good.

Our work at the breakdown is awful. Care/Youngs had to dig all game.

My punt for 6N is:

6. Clark
7. Robshaw
8. Morgan

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Post by dammit_chris Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:35 pm

Yeah wouldnt criticise Robshaw, he does a lot of unseen stuff too - probably should have gone for the posts with 20mins to go, but ref should have yellow'd one of the props who stopped us scoring.

I don't think Waldroum is quick enough for an international no8, clever player but rather have Morgan getting more exposure espc as he's playing well for Gloucester.

You could be right about Clark, it's just good to have a couple of players with a bit of grunt/aggression about them - would get Lawes back in so quickly.

Have to say getting more impressed with Parling, just wish he had that bit more physical presence about him as can get knocked off the ball a bit in the tackle.

Would be concerned for Tom Youngs playing against the Boks and ABs though.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:37 pm

Big call on Clark. I fancy it will be Wood at 6 and Waldroum still at 8. Waldroum did pretty well and Lancaster doesnt seem to like changing around players unless they are doing poorly

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:38 pm

Not seen the game yet as am at work, but reading comments here and elsewhere it doesn't sound great. I still think Robshaw is a 6 playing at 7 and the balance of our pack is wrong. Am not looking forward to watching the game when I get home now!
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:39 pm

Best game for England today Parling, one of few positives.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:41 pm

Brilliant from Marshall

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:44 pm

Lovely work from Marshall there. Good support Gilroy for the try. Might only be Fiji but Cave looks very good at 13

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:47 pm

Could be the Irish backline next year Johnny. Really like Jackson too

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Post by Driver Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:51 pm

This Irish back line seems to have so much more about them than the one who took on the Boks.

Eyes on Paddy Jackson!
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Post by dammit_chris Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:51 pm

Dont watch it Pete!

I just dont see what Waldroum is going to offer in the long-term, whilst Morgan has been playing very well for Gloucester and offers more speed and dynamism - I hope BIlly Vunipola continues to improve as he could be another great option.

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Post by Driver Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:55 pm

Is Hartley back next week?

Played well in SA so can imagine him starting if fit.
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:55 pm

Not to be short but what does Vunipola offer that Waldroum doesnt? Agree long term Morgan is the best option but don't see Lancaster dropping Waldroum unless his performances drop. He was one of our better players today

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:56 pm

Gilroy is such a classy winger!

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Post by Driver Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:58 pm

England ratings out of 10

Marler 6
Youngs 7
Cole 6
Palmer 3
Parling 8
Johnson 6
Robshaw 6
Waldrom 7

Care 7
Flood 7
Sharples 5
Barritt 6
Tuilagi 6
Ashton 6
Goode 6


Thought B Youngs changed the game a bit , give us a bit of tempo to play to.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:03 pm

Well here are the ratings from a Tigers and Quins fan over the main rugby board. Nothing like a bit of club bias showing through on the international scene...

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formerly known as Sam wrote:1. Marler - 6 - good in the loose but struggled in the tight, scrum time really didn't go his way as the Wallabies adopted the Quins tactic of binding on the arm with great success. Fair, I'd give him 5 max
2. Youngs - 7 - was everywhere, tackled, carried and threw well in the lineout. A couple of dodgey tackles (head in the wrong place) aside a good game. Fair
3. Cole - 7 - not his best day at the scrum despite doing ok, contributed more than the backrow at the breakdown but not enough metres carrying. Fair
4. Palmer - 5 - far too quiet, worked hard without impact. Fair, I'd give him 4
5. Parling - 6 - good in the lineout and made a lot of effort for little reward. Fair
6. Johnson - 7 - best of the backrow and strangely subbed. Made the most impact at the breakdown but his ball in hand work was ineffectual. Barely knew he was on the pitch, 5 max
7. Robshaw - 4 - didn't put hos shoulder in the scrum choosing to hang ODF the side and pull on Cole's shirt instead. Too upright going into contact and lay on breakdown as opposed to competing in it. Thought he was solid, maybe my bias showing. 6. Definitely better than Johnson
8. Waldrom - 6 - willing carrier but a crucial knock on and a lack of impact on defence ate disappointing. Fair
9. Care - 2 - his kicks were awful, his passing was agonisingly slow and his only positive decision was the quick tap. He injected no tempo and has woefully out of his depth. Considered that this might be a joke thought he was one of our best players and sure this was nothing to do with my bias. Counted one poor kick, much much much better than Youngs in every aspect of the game and added pace 7, min 6
10. Flood - 6 - positive in attack and committed in defence but not savvy enough and should have taken the 3 pointers. Fair
11. Sharples - 6 - worked hard but not really in the game. Needs to stop stepping out the line. Fair
12. Barritt - 5 - good in defence but poor and too deep in attack. Very harsh, thought he was good in attack and defence and di well with what he got, at least 6 maybe 7
13. Manu - 8 - covered well in defence and offered genuine go forward in attack. Very generous, poor basic skills, lots of power but was very lucky to be awarded his try. Strayed in defence from what I could see and certainly no better than a 6, maybe 5
14. Ashton - 5 - anonymous. Harsh, thought he was OK, 6
15. Goode - 6 - threatened good things and was a positive influence but needs to look for the tactical kicks a little more. Agree on score, mostly because he was solid, didn't threaten much though
Bench:

16. Vunipola - 6 - same as Marler.
19. Launchbury - 7 - offered a dynamic ball carrier and some more grunt. Fair
20. Wood - 6 - tried hard and got in the 9s face, replaces the wrong flanker.
21. Youngs - 7 - raised the tempo well and controlled the game much better than Care but still not sharp enough. 4 max, thought he added nothing, couldn't pass to hand, couldn't kick, knocked on a crucial time, lost the match with an awful decision. The worst player on the pitch easily.Needs to go back to Leicester and Dickson to bench next match.22.
Farrell - 3 - only contribution was an awful pass. Harsh, but the comment stands, 5 or 4
23. Brown - 5 - ran straight into contact time and time again. Managed to milk a penalty with his only attempt at a kick. Agree the penalty was a bit much. Made yards in contact taht nobody else was doing and made the right decisions for me. 6 or 7

Sam, I like you but I'm actually incredulous that you gave Care a 2 and Youngs (Youngs! He had the worst game I've ever seen him play) a 7
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Post by Driver Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:05 pm

Great finish from Darren Cave.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:07 pm

Some laughable ratings/comments there. Care 2?!? Lol

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Post by dammit_chris Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:02 pm

Vunipola only 20 though SJE and think he is a better ball carrier than Waldroum - not anywhere near as clever yet though and wastes more ball, but give him another season. Don't expect Waldroum to be at 2015 wc.

Has anyone seen what SCW team was in the Sun or Times the other week, I've only seen a couple of comments from him, but from the sounds of it he wanted Burns as our 12. We definitely need something in that midfield, as only other way I see us getting anywhere with Barritt and Tuilagi is if we went left field and played Cipriani as 10 for his creativity and then kept our fingers crossed with his defence.

I just get frustrated that we fail to show any attacking flair in the backline, the forwards didnt get us enough ball, but we don't appear to know how to unlock defences apart from passing the ball to Tuilagi. Only other guy with any real go forward was Mike Brown.

Think next week I'd go

1. Corbs
2. Paice (dont think Hartley is playing yet)
3. Cole
4. Palmer/Lawes (wouldnt start Launch against SA just yet)
5. Parling
6. Wood
7. Robshaw
8. Morgan
9. Care
10. Flood
11. Ashton
12. Barritt
13. Tuilagi
14. Monye
15. Brown

16. Youngs 17. Marler/Vunipola 18. Wilson 19. Launchbury 20. Waldroum/Haskell 21. Dickson 22. Burns 23. Sharples/Goode

Would drop Youngs and Farrell - Youngs confidence isnt there yet and Farrell isnt an impact sub, if you play him you need to start him.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:16 pm

I thought Barritt was good today Chris. There was an article on England's centres. Extract:

Brad Barritt
His knock-'em-down style has been at the heart of England's recent progress, but needs to offer playmaking creativity.

Manu Tuilagi
Carries a threat as a straight-line runner, but unless he can bring added extras to his game, he may be found wanting.

Jonathan Joseph
Capped in South Africa last summer, if he is as good an outside centre as many say, he could beat Tuilagi to the No 13 shirt.

Billy Twelvetrees
Uncapped, but may not stay that way for long. Looks increasingly like a career inside centre with all the right qualifications.

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Post by dammit_chris Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:23 pm

It's interesting that a lot of people, like Greenwood, Guscott etc are all saying that we've got to convert Tuilagi to a no12. Could work, but he'd need to play there week in week out for Tigers and that wont happen as they love Allen too much for that.

Think Tuilagi has that something special, like he showed for his try today, but needs a creative 12 to play alongside. We've got to start attacking through the midfield though as its depressing that our only move is pass it to Tuilagi. We havent had any creativity for years there, can't work out why it is so difficult really!

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Post by Guest Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:26 pm

Thought Robshaws captaincy was awful today. Some dreadful decisions. Dreadful England performance are locks were so mediocre it was untrue

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:29 pm

I know why.....slooooooooooow ball. By the time the scrum half gets the ball out defences are set, can have NZ backline but they'd struggle with speed of ball our backs get.

Tuilagi has publicly said he wants to play 13, not sure he has the skills for 12.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:30 pm

anonmattyt wrote:Thought Robshaws captaincy was awful today. Some dreadful decisions. Dreadful England performance are locks were so mediocre it was untrue

He'll learn. Parling was prob pick of forwards

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Post by stnick88 Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:50 pm

Breakdown was poor. We need Steffon.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:05 pm

Anyone watching France-Argentina? Picamoles and Michalek picking up from where they left of last week!

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:55 pm

Comfortable win for France. Might have been wrong about PSA. France looking very good this Autumn. Pickles, Machenaud, Michalek all looking very very good. Delighted to see Ouedragao playing so well as well. Been great for Montpeiller for a few years but really stepping up for France so far this Autumn. Been their top lineout jumper and tackler so far

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:59 pm

What channel was it on Johnny?

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